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DECEMBER 13, 2010

The Sexism of 'Morning Joe'

One Monday morning in November, according to the admittedly rough transcript provided by the Federal News Service, “Morning Joe,” anchor Joe Scarborough spoke 3,213 words; his co-anchor Mika Brzezinski spoke just 644. Most of her words seemed merely to remind the audience that she was still awake: Yeah. Okay. Yes. No. Maybe. Right. Terrific. Scarborough dominated the meaty segments; Brzezinski piped up mainly during the transitions. She asked guest Richard Haass, President of the Council on Foreign Relations, only one thing: “Terrific, eh?” she chimed, referring to our poor diplomatic relationship with Afghanistan.

On one level, the disparity is not surprising. Scarborough is the show’s headliner; it makes sense that he would speak more than his co-host. The show is not called “Morning Mika.” The third host, Willie Geist, spoke even less that Monday morning, only 145 words. Geist’s silence, however, is less problematic than Brzezinski’s, who, while not the titular star of the show, is billed as something close to a partner. The shot that starts each segment frames Brzezinski and Scarborough (and, of course, their Starbucks beverages), with Willie off to the side. Black-and-white glamour shots of Brzezinski and Scarborough punctuate every commercial break, but I’ve never seen a close-up of Geist. When the show goes on the road, it is usually Brzezinski and Scarborough who are sent to Washington or elsewhere, while Geist is left behind to hold down the abandoned fort. With a platform of his own—“Way Too Early with Willie Geist,” which airs just before “Morning Joe”—Geist seems like an afterthought to the Scarborough-Brzezinski team.

But if Brzezinski is the true second pillar of the show, why is she so quiet? Maybe the better question is, why is Scarborough so loud? And why does MSNBC, supposedly leading the liberal charge against conservative cable news, stand for such a dispiriting and old-fashioned gender dynamic? Anyone for a little sexism with their morning joe?

 

The TV anchor marriage is of course nothing new. One can trace the trajectory that made the man-and-woman news-anchor partnership a TV trope: Jim Hartz and Barbara Walters (“Today,” 1974-1976), Tom Brokaw and Jane Pauley (“Today,” 1976-1982), David Hartman and Joan Lunden (“Good Morning America,” 1980-1987), Bryant Gumbel and Katie Couric (“Today,” 1991-1997), and Charlie Gibson and Diane Sawyer (“Good Morning America,” 1999-2005). Nightly news imitated the format less often, but incorporated it with Barbara Walters and Harry Reasoner on ABC’s evening news in the late ’70s, Dan Rather and Connie Chung on CBS’s evening newsin the mid-’90s, and Elizabeth Vargas and Bob Woodruff on ABC’s “World News Tonight” in the ’00s. When cable was born, it also used the convention. CNN’s very first newscast in 1980 was delivered by journalists Lois Hart and David Walker, a real-life married couple. Current variations on the theme include John Roberts and Kiran Chetry on CNN’s “American Morning,” and Chuck Todd and Savannah Guthrie on MSNBC’s “The Daily Rundown.” In the latest addition to TV news matrimony, CNN recently debuted “Parker Spitzer,” anchored by Kathleen Parker and Eliot Spitzer.

It is important to acknowledge that, at one point, such partnerships represented progressive development in the world of TV news. When Barbara Walters became the first woman to co-host the “Today Show” in 1974, she ended an era in which women were, according to Walters’s memoir,“tea pourers”—actresses, singers or beauty pageant winners—who “could ad-lib with the other cast members and look pretty.” Walters certainly changed this, but thirty-plus years later,it seems that her achievement—and the accomplishments of those who followed in her footsteps, like Diane Sawyer and Katie Couric—is eroding. Traditional gender roles are alive and well in cable television.

Perhaps the most egregious example from “Morning Joe” was on display in January of 2008, the morning that John McCain won the Florida primary. Referring to Charlie Crist’s endorsement of McCain, Scarborough said: “I don’t endorse anybody because as you know [pause], I’m a journalist.” Brzezinski giggled—presumably because, although he was a newspaper editor for a brief period, the authority of Scarborough’s punditry stems more from his experience as a congressman than his journalistic chops. Brzezinski, by comparison, has worked in television for almost 20 years and had a long career at CBS News, where she was, among other things, an anchor of the weekend edition of the evening news, a contributor to “60 Minutes,” and CBS’s lead reporter on the September 11th attacks.

His ego apparently bruised, Scarborough barked: “Mika, don’t make me backhand you.” To which, Brzezinski shook her head and dismissed the comment with an off-handed “Oh Lord.” The clip went viral when Media Matters, a progressive, not-for-profit research center, posted it on their website. Domestic violence jokes may be amusing to some with a taste for gallows-type humor. Personally, when watching a political news show on a progressive cable network that bears the slogan “lean forward,” I’d rather not see the anchor joke about hitting his female co-host.

In addition to such retrograde verbal jousting, and the hosts’ vastly unequal oratorical contributions, the show permits a type of patronization that should not be tolerated by journalists of Brzezinski’s caliber. One particularly nauseating segment aired in December of 2008 when Brzezinski was mugged outside her hotel on her way to a taping. Scarborough opened the show that morning with a three-minute rant about the mugging.

“I am furious,” bellowed Scarborough, ignoring Brzezinski’s pleas to leave it alone. “We always give her five dollars in case something like that happens,” he said. Then, Pat Buchanan, the morning’s guest, voiced his grandfatherly pity for poor Mika: “It’s outrageous, they ought to have a doorman or something, or have people walk you to the car.” For three minutes, Brzezinski squirmed in her chair, periodically protesting that she was just fine.

There’s nothing wrong with expressing sympathy for someone who endured a mugging. But Scarborough’s tirade, while seemingly sincere, was also condescending and inconsiderate in its dismissal of Brzezinski’s requests that the matter not be discussed on-air. It’s hard to imagine the same scenario playing out between Scarborough and female journalists who have established independent careers, like Christiane Amanpour, Diane Sawyer, or magazine editor Tina Brown. If any of these women had been mugged, and had decided to discuss the attack on air, it seems probable that they would have told the story and expressed their own outrage.

Scarborough should not shoulder all the blame for this dynamic. Brzezinski seems to have settled into a deferential role in which her primary responsibility is to keep order. Like Vanna White, turning over the letters on “Wheel of Fortune,” she keeps things moving, announcing the segment transitions and welcoming viewers back from commercial breaks with niceties like “Pretty shot of New York City!” Her most substantial speeches occur when she reads aloud from the headline stories. During interviews, she rarely asks questions and mainly speaks up to tell the guests good-bye or thank-you.

Brzezinski seems aware of the dynamic, but combats it with little more than eye-rolling. When confronted about Scarborough’s sexism on “The View,” she squirmed in her chair and jokingly called “Morning Joe” contributor Mike Barnicle “my misogynist” in the sing-song way that a teenager would refer to her dreamboat boyfriend. On her personal website, a picture of Brzezinski’s red high heels is captioned: “I click my heels three times to get a word in edgewise with Joe.” Just what every seasoned female journalist needs to keep up with her male colleagues: red high heels. Mika, we’re not in Kansas anymore.

 

Such sexism is particularly grating because of MSNBC’s purportedly liberal leanings, but the dynamic occurs elsewhere on cable news, like on CNN’s “Parker Spitzer.” I won’t give the show full treatment here, but the similar dynamic deserves consideration, especially since Parker, it seems, no longer has the stomach for it. (Full disclosure: Kathleen Parker is a family friend.)

“Parker Spitzer,” like “Morning Joe,” has the word-count problem, with Spitzer speaking, on average, twice as much as Parker. (Spitzer generally doesn’t speak many more times than Parker, but his monologues often run twice as long.) This is an improvement on Joe’s quintupled blathering, but, unlike Brzezinski, Parker is actually the show’s lead headliner. Spitzer’s inability to cede air-time to Kathleen is even more noticeable when the two discuss topics that she clearly knows more about. In a November 5 segment titled “Is Masculinity Dead?” comedian Adam Carolla brought up his distaste for gender-neutral toys. “I gave my son a doll,” Parker offered. Spitzer, who was sitting between Parker and Carolla, interrupted: “No, you didn’t,” “Yes, I did,” Parker said, looking annoyed and picking up the pace of her speech. Spitzer interrupted her five times in the 23 seconds that followed this exchange, finally raising his voice to stammer his way into the conversation.

Seemingly wise to the problem, the producers recently started allowing Parker and Spitzer to interview guests alone—a development that could improve the show. Or, possibly, save it. A recent New York Post article revealed some animosity between the co-hosts. Quoting anonymous insiders, the Post reported that Parker “stormed” off the set during pre-taping a few weeks ago because she was angry about Spitzer’s dominance.

Though I find Spitzer and Scarborough insufferable, they are not entirely to blame for bulldozing their co-hosts. In allowing and seemingly condoning such behavior, the networks commit the greater sin. Whether liberal-leaning (MSNBC) or politically neutral (CNN), news networks owe their viewers something better. This daily dose of sexism is insidious—a setback for feminism and awfully annoying to watch.

Eliza Gray is a reporter-researcher for The New Republic.

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Thank you for your article. Sexism is often ignored in publications like TNR. I would love to see more articles along these lines. The current prominance of cable/radio yakkers rewards pompous windbaggery. Both sexes are equally cabable of the same. Currently, it seems that men have cornered the market.

- rufus2fus

December 13, 2010 at 2:31am

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I stopped watching Morning Joe about a year ago because I found Joes blowhard manner unbearable.

- paskunac

December 13, 2010 at 7:05am

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It's Scarborough and Brezinski. I like Willie Geist's use of modern language, by the way.

- Nusholtz

December 13, 2010 at 7:33am

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Spitzer speaks a lot more than Parker because he happens to know what he is talking about. She has nothing even remotely interesting to say, and most certainly has nothing of the depth of experience of Spitzer. So she should speak a lot less.

- jasapir

December 13, 2010 at 9:43am

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Joe is hard to take. Not sure that Mika has much more to say than Joe let's her do (her contributions to the show are completely insubstantive), so maybe both of them should go. As for sexism, do you think Joe would be less of a blowhard if his co-host were a man? I doubt that very much. Neil

- purcellneil

December 13, 2010 at 10:01am

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- But if Brzezinski is the truesecond pillar of the show, why is she so quiet? "Talk cannot cook rice." Charlie Chan in Shanghai Maybe the better question is, why is Scarborough so loud? "Woman's intuition like feather on arrow, may help flight to truth." Charlie Chan's Secret And why does MSNBC, supposedly leading the liberal charge against conservative cable news, stand for such a dispiriting and old-fashioned gender dynamic? "Case like inside of radio, many connections, not all related." Charlie Chan in London

- michaelg

December 13, 2010 at 10:05am

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Is it not PC to mention that Scarborough is the network's token conservative? I'm not at all certain it's irrelevant.

- jamesroymorrison

December 13, 2010 at 11:38am

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I like both Joe and Mika and if I watch a morning show I prefer them. There is something very friendly, informal and engaging about the set up. I noted that Joe tends to dominate the conversation and she looks at him, nodding or shaking her head. But she doesn't always succeed in inserting her own voice. It's not something I'm unfamiliar with. Wherever there are men and women at conversation, men will dominate it. Unless the women realize this and begin to assert themselves more aggressively, this can go on and on without the men ever realizing that they are not sharing the space available equitably. It's up to Mika to make herself more vocal. The men in the show are not going to make more space for her. If she manages to do so, then you will see how Joe and the others will cooperate. It's not that they are jerks. They are just being... you know, men. They can't help it.

- noga1

December 13, 2010 at 12:28pm

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The show is called "Morning Joe," not "Morning Mika." He's the star. She's the co-star. It's true that Scarborough can be crude, as in the "backhand you" remark to Mika.. But he IS the token conservative, and he constantly surrounded by liberals on the show (only Buchanan shows up occasionally, and Scarborough doesn't always agree with him). The result (to me, anyway) is that Scarborough often looks beaten down, and his whiny voice doesn't help the image. And Mika's fawning over her father whenever he's on is disgusting. In fact the way they all fawn over ZB as if he is the Fount of Wisdom is disgusting. Zbigniev Brzezinski is one of the major architects (30 years ago) of the Iranian situation we all now face. You couldn't tell it from "Morning Joe". But then, it's only a show.

- ProfEthan

December 13, 2010 at 12:41pm

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michaekg - lol -- where did you come up with those neat Charlie Chan riffs?

- JackR

December 13, 2010 at 4:18pm

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- JackR asked, "michaekg - lol -- where did you come up with those neat Charlie Chan riffs?" "Knowledge only gained through curiosity." Charlie Chan at the Wax Museum Try this, http://tinyurl.com/2btvev5

- michaelg

December 13, 2010 at 4:28pm

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So now liberals are counting words and crying sexism? Please. Mika was hired to be a news person & to give Joe a hard time occasionally. She seems to do both pretty well and I doubt if she needs any help from Mr. Gray. I've been a subscriber to TNR for almost 30 years and this sort of article shows why newspapers & magazines are folding, fading, & wondering where their audiences went. I can read bullshit like this on blogs. Maybe TNR should just make the transition.

- curranj

December 13, 2010 at 6:00pm

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Noga: Wherever there are men and women at conversation, men will dominate it. Unless the women realize this and begin to assert themselves more aggressively, this can go on and on without the men ever realizing that they are not sharing the space available equitably." Obviously you have never met my aunts and my mother. Growing up I thought the proper role of men was to stand around and wait for their wives to get done talking so they can go home and watch whatever sports was on TV

- blackton

December 13, 2010 at 6:18pm

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Blackton: I should have specified that I was talking about discussion fora of any sort. In my experience I relate to academic seminars and such. I remember when we were 8 women and 4 men (the prof was one too) and we the women couldn't put in a word. There would be no break in the conversation and the men would only see each other and talk to each other as if we were transparent. Women are usually more polite and more likely to wait patiently for their turn but that hardly ever happened. Family gatherings have very different dynamics and premises and women WOULD be more assertive and talkative as it is their home turf. I will confess though that I no longer allow such situations to develop. It can be done but it comes with the price of losing some of one's claim to femininity.

- noga1

December 13, 2010 at 7:29pm

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Comes to mind Jeanne Kirkpatrick in all feminine decorum upon patient opportunity would surgically eviscerate contenders. She was a dandy.

- jacko

December 14, 2010 at 1:51pm

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Eliza mentions many areas where women have made advances in television news. That list isn't bad, although she neglects to mention that most local news broadcasts are co-anchored by a woman, that most all-news stations on the radio feature female anchors, and that one of the three network news broadcasts is anchored by Katie Couric alone. She also fails to mention Rachel Maddow, who, even when co-hosting coverage with Olbermann and Matthews, has no trouble getting a word in. I won't defend Joe's "backhand" remark, but maybe it's time to stop keeping score -- word counts and so on. Morning Joe has a unique dynamic that works for it. I suspect that many women (maybe even many liberal women) enjoy the show, because they recognize and even like that dynamic -- boyish-looking, non-threatening, enthusiastic guy talk-talk-talking, with patient, occasionally eye-rolling, sane female presence keeping things grounded. These are gender roles to be sure -- maybe they remind you of your parents or yourselves, and they're not altogether unflattering -- but, in any case, not every cultural expression must serve as a protest to conventional gender roles. If that were the basis for a charge of sexism, almost everything would be sexist. The fact is, we live in a media environment where this same network gives a lesbian an hour of primetime. So, I'm sorry, I don't think MSNBC has a lot of apologizing to do.

- JakeH

December 14, 2010 at 9:21pm

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Since my above post on this thread, I've had an interesting conversation about this issue with an actual woman, and without putting too fine a point on it, I've been convinced that everything I said before was stupid and wrong. Point taken!

- JakeH

December 14, 2010 at 11:45pm

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Today's Morning Joe started with a real depressing gripe session with Joe and Barnicle groaning about how we don't need the stimulus effect of the tax deal. Wasting a trillion dollars for no good reason. Kind of stuff you expect to hear from Mitch McConnell or John Boehner or even one of the Tea Party loonies. Apparently they have good jobs and can't imagine why anyone would want to do something about 10% unemployment. Mika doesn't do much to counter such nonsense -- she goes with the flow as far as I can tell. If we heard more from her, would the show make some sense? I doubt we will ever find out. Neil

- purcellneil

December 15, 2010 at 9:16am

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I have watched women in good restaurants where all are straight. The women makes her face have expression by lifting it through an effort of physical performance, as the man talks endlessly, to her if there is no man there, and to the man if there is a man. She works on performing an appearance of interest, presumably because there is an economic element, in some sense, to the exchange. Straight women is groups do a modified version of it, as they are they, say at a country club, as wives and hence in derivative performances, and so continue with and adjust the performance to a partial degree. Gay women at such places (say a golf club) lean forward with real animation and engagement. Since the latter seems so much better than either of the former, men still manifestly have power to draft women to sit in total boredom as they hold forth. At the same time, men continue to complain that women talk too much, contrary to massive evidence to the contrary. Again, the only reason for anyone to tolerate is power that they cannot defeat.

- Walpole

January 18, 2011 at 11:30am

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