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NOVEMBER 16, 2012

Why Darwinist Materialism is Wrong

Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False
By Thomas Nagel
(Oxford University Press, 144 pp., $24.95)

I.

ACCORDING TO a semi-established consensus among the intellectual elite in the West, there is no such person as God or any other supernatural being. Life on our planet arose by way of ill-understood but completely naturalistic processes involving only the working of natural law. Given life, natural selection has taken over, and produced all the enormous variety that we find in the living world. Human beings, like the rest of the world, are material objects through and through; they have no soul or ego or self of any immaterial sort. At bottom, what there is in our world are the elementary particles described in physics, together with things composed of these particles.

I say that this is a semi-established consensus, but of course there are some people, scientists and others, who disagree. There are also agnostics, who hold no opinion one way or the other on one or another of the above theses. And there are variations on the above themes, and also halfway houses of one sort or another. Still, by and large those are the views of academics and intellectuals in America now. Call this constellation of views scientific naturalism—or don’t call it that, since there is nothing particularly scientific about it, except that those who champion it tend to wrap themselves in science like a politician in the flag. By any name, however, we could call it the orthodoxy of the academy—or if not the orthodoxy, certainly the majority opinion.

The eminent philosopher Thomas Nagel would call it something else: an idol of the academic tribe, perhaps, or a sacred cow: “I find this view antecedently unbelievable—a heroic triumph of ideological theory over common sense. ... I would be willing to bet that the present right-thinking consensus will come to seem laughable in a generation or two.” Nagel is an atheist; even so, however, he does not accept the above consensus, which he calls materialist naturalism; far from it. His important new book is a brief but powerful assault on materialist naturalism.

 

NAGEL IS NOT AFRAID to take unpopular positions, and he does not seem to mind the obloquy that goes with that territory. “In the present climate of a dominant scientific naturalism,” he writes, “heavily dependent on speculative Darwinian explanations of practically everything, and armed to the teeth against attacks from religion, I have thought it useful to speculate about possible alternatives. Above all, I would like to extend the boundaries of what is not regarded as unthinkable, in light of how little we really understand about the world.” Nagel has endorsed the negative conclusions of the much-maligned Intelligent Design movement, and he has defended it from the charge that it is inherently unscientific. In 2009 he even went so far as to recommend Stephen Meyer’s book Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, a flagship declaration of Intelligent Design, as a book of the year. For that piece of blasphemy Nagel paid the predictable price; he was said to be arrogant, dangerous to children, a disgrace, hypocritical, ignorant, mind-polluting, reprehensible, stupid, unscientific, and in general a less than wholly upstanding citizen of the republic of letters.

His new book will probably call forth similar denunciations: except for atheism, Nagel rejects nearly every contention of materialist naturalism. Mind and Cosmos rejects, first, the claim that life has come to be just by the workings of the laws of physics and chemistry. As Nagel points out, this is extremely improbable, at least given current evidence: no one has suggested any reasonably plausible process whereby this could have happened. As Nagel remarks, “It is an assumption governing the scientific project rather than a well-confirmed scientific hypothesis.”

The second plank of materialist naturalism that Nagel rejects is the idea that, once life was established on our planet, all the enormous variety of contemporary life came to be by way of the processes evolutionary science tells us about: natural selection operating on genetic mutation, but also genetic drift, and perhaps other processes as well. These processes, moreover, are unguided: neither God nor any other being has directed or orchestrated them. Nagel seems a bit less doubtful of this plank than of the first; but still he thinks it incredible that the fantastic diversity of life, including we human beings, should have come to be in this way: “the more details we learn about the chemical basis of life and the intricacy of the genetic code, the more unbelievable the standard historical account becomes.” Nagel supports the commonsense view that the probability of this happening in the time available is extremely low, and he believes that nothing like sufficient evidence to overturn this verdict has been produced.

So far Nagel seems to me to be right on target. The probability, with respect to our current evidence, that life has somehow come to be from non-life just by the working of the laws of physics and chemistry is vanishingly small. And given the existence of a primitive life form, the probability that all the current variety of life should have come to be by unguided evolution, while perhaps not quite as small, is nevertheless minuscule. These two conceptions of materialist naturalism are very likely false.

But, someone will say, the improbable happens all the time. It is not at all improbable that something improbable should happen. Consider an example. You play a rubber of bridge involving, say, five deals. The probability that the cards should fall just as they do for those five deals is tiny—something like one out of ten to the 140th power. Still, they did. Right. It happened. The improbable does indeed happen. In any fair lottery, each ticket is unlikely to win; but it is certain that one of them will win, and so it is certain that something improbable will happen. But how is this relevant in the present context? In a fit of unbridled optimism, I claim that I will win the Nobel Prize in chemistry. You quite sensibly point out that this is extremely unlikely, given that I have never studied chemistry and know nothing about the subject. Could I defend my belief by pointing out that the improbable regularly happens? Of course not: you cannot sensibly hold a belief that is improbable with respect to all of your evidence.

 

NAGEL GOES ON: he thinks it is especially improbable that consciousness and reason should come to be if materialist naturalism is true. “Consciousness is the most conspicuous obstacle to a comprehensive naturalism that relies only on the resources of physical science.” Why so? Nagel’s point seems to be that the physical sciences—physics, chemistry, biology, neurology—cannot explain or account for the fact that we human beings and presumably some other animals are conscious. Physical science can explain the tides, and why birds have hollow bones, and why the sky is blue; but it cannot explain consciousness. Physical science can perhaps demonstrate correlations between physical conditions of one sort or another and conscious states of one sort or another; but of course this is not to explain consciousness. Correlation is not explanation. As Nagel puts it, “The appearance of animal consciousness is evidently the result of biological evolution, but this well-supported empirical fact is not yet an explanation—it does not provide understanding, or enable us to see why the result was to be expected or how it came about.”

Nagel next turns his attention to belief and cognition: “the problem that I want to take up now concerns mental functions such as thought, reasoning, and evaluation that are limited to humans, though their beginnings may be found in a few other species.” We human beings and perhaps some other animals are not merely conscious, we also hold beliefs, many of which are in fact true. It is one thing to feel pain; it is quite another to believe, say, that pain can be a useful signal of dysfunction. According to Nagel, materialist naturalism has great difficulty with consciousness, but it has even greater difficulty with cognition. He thinks it monumentally unlikely that unguided natural selection should have “generated creatures with the capacity to discover by reason the truth about a reality that extends vastly beyond the initial appearances.” He is thinking in particular of science itself.

Natural selection is interested in behavior, not in the truth of belief, except as that latter is related to behavior. So concede for the moment that natural selection might perhaps be expected to produce creatures with cognitive faculties that are reliable when it comes to beliefs about the physical environment: beliefs, for example, about the presence of predators, or food, or potential mates. But what about beliefs that go far beyond anything with survival value? What about physics, or neurology, or molecular biology, or evolutionary theory? What is the probability, given materialist naturalism, that our cognitive faculties should be reliable in such areas? It is very small indeed. It follows—in a wonderful irony—that a materialistic naturalist should be skeptical about science, or at any rate about those parts of it far removed from everyday life.

This certainly seems right, and perhaps we can go even further. Perhaps it is not initially implausible to think that unguided natural selection could have produced creatures with cognitive faculties who are reliable about matters relevant to survival and reproduction. But what about metaphysical beliefs, such as theism, or determinism, or materialism, or atheism? Such beliefs have little bearing on behavior related to survival and reproduction, and unguided natural selection couldn’t care less about them or their truth-value. After all, it is only the occasional member of the Young Humanist Society whose reproductive prospects are enhanced by accepting atheism. Given materialist naturalism, the probability that my cognitive faculties are reliable with respect to metaphysical beliefs would be low. So take any metaphysical belief I have: the probability that it is true, given materialist naturalism, cannot be much above .5. But of course materialist naturalism is itself a metaphysical belief. So the materialistic naturalist should think the probability of materialist naturalism is about .5. But that means that she cannot sensibly believe her own doctrine. If she believes it, she shouldn’t believe it. In this way materialist naturalism is self-defeating.

 

II.

THE NEGATIVE CASE that Nagel makes against materialist naturalism seems to me to be strong and persuasive. I do have the occasional reservation. Most materialists apparently believe that mental states are caused by physical states. According to Nagel, however, the materialistic naturalist cannot stop there. Why not? Because the idea that there is such a causal connection between the physical and the mental doesn’t really explain the occurrence of the mental in a physical world. It doesn’t make the mental intelligible. It doesn’t show that the existence of the mental is probable, given our physical world.

Some materialists, however, seek to evade this difficulty by suggesting that there is some sort of logical connection between physical states and mental states. It is a logically necessary truth, they say, that when a given physical state occurs, a certain mental state also occurs. If this is true, then the existence of the mental is certainly probable, given our physical world; indeed, its existence is necessary. Nagel himself suggests that there are such necessary connections. So wouldn’t that be enough to make intelligible the occurrence of the mental in our physical world?

I suspect that his answer would be no. Perhaps the reason would be that we cannot just see these alleged necessities, in the way we can just see that 2+1=3. These postulated necessary connections are not self-evident to us. And the existence of the mental would be intelligible only if those connections were self-evident. But isn’t this a bit too strong? Why think that the mental is intelligible, understandable, only if there are self-evident necessary connections between the physical and the mental? Doesn’t that require too much? And if intelligibility does require that sort of connection between the physical and the mental, why think the world is intelligible in that extremely strong sense?

Now you might think someone with Nagel’s views would be sympathetic to theism, the belief that there is such a person as the God of the Abrahamic religions. Materialist naturalism, says Nagel, cannot account for the appearance of life, or the variety we find in the living world, or consciousness, or cognition, or mind—but theism has no problem accounting for any of these. As for life, God himself is living, and in one way or another has created the biological life to be found on Earth (and perhaps elsewhere as well). As for the diversity of life: God has brought that about, whether through a guided process of evolution or in some other way. As for consciousness, again theism has no problem: according to theism the fundamental and basic reality is God, who is conscious. And what about the existence of creatures with cognition and reason, creatures who, like us, are capable of scientific investigation of our world? Well, according to theism, God has created us human beings in his image; part of being in the image of God (Aquinas thought it the most important part) is being able to know something about ourselves and our world and God himself, just as God does. Hence theism implies that the world is indeed intelligible to us, even if not quite intelligible in Nagel’s glorified sense. Indeed, modern empirical science was nurtured in the womb of Christian theism, which implies that there is a certain match or fit between the world and our cognitive faculties.

Given theism, there is no surprise at all that there should be creatures like us who are capable of atomic physics, relativity theory, quantum mechanics, and the like. Materialist naturalism, on the other hand, as Nagel points out, has great difficulty accounting for the existence of such creatures. For this and other reasons, theism is vastly more welcoming to science than materialist naturalism. So theism would seem to be a natural alternative to the materialist naturalism Nagel rejects: it has virtues where the latter has vices, and we might therefore expect Nagel, at least on these grounds, to be sympathetic to theism.

 

SADLY ENOUGH (at least for me), Nagel rejects theism. “I confess to an ungrounded assumption of my own, in not finding it possible to regard the design alternative [i.e., theism] as a real option. I lack the sensus divinitatis that enables—indeed, compels so many people to see in the world the expression of divine purpose.” But it isn’t just that Nagel is more or less neutral about theism but lacks that sensus divinitatis. In The Last Word, which appeared in 1997, he offered a candid account of his philosophical inclinations:

I am talking about something much deeper—namely, the fear of religion itself. I speak from experience, being strongly subject to this fear myself: I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers.... It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that.

Here we have discomfort and distress at the thought that there might be such a being as God; but this discomfort seems more emotional than philosophical or rational.

So is there a strictly philosophical problem with theism, according to Nagel? As far as I can see, the main substantive objection that he offers is an appeal to that notion of unity. A successful worldview will see the world as intelligible; and intelligibility, as Nagel conceives it, involves a high degree of unity. The world is intelligible only if there are no fundamental breaks in it, only if it contains no fundamentally different kinds of things. Descartes, that great dualist, thought that the world displays two quite different sorts of things: matter and mind, neither reducible to the other. Nagel rejects this dualism: his reason is just that such dualism fails to secure the unity necessary for the world’s being intelligible.

Yet is there any reason to think that the world really is intelligible in this very strong sense—any good reason to think that there is fundamentally just one kind of thing, with everything being an example of that kind, or reducible to things that are? Here three considerations seem to be necessary. First, we need to know more about this requirement: what is it to say that fundamentally there is just one kind of thing? It is not obvious how this is to be understood. Aren’t there many different sorts of things: houses, horses, hawks, and handsaws? Well, perhaps they are not fundamentally different. But what does “fundamentally” mean here? Is the idea that the world is intelligible only if there is some important property that houses, horses, hawks, and handsaws all share? What kind of property?

Second, how much plausibility is there to the claim that this sort of unity really is required for intelligibility? Clearly we cannot claim that Descartes’s dualism is literally unintelligible—after all, even if you reject it, you can understand it. (How else could you reject it?) Is it really true that the world is more intelligible, in some important sense of “intelligible,” if it does not contain two or more fundamentally different kinds of things? I see little reason to think so.

And third, suppose we concede that the world is genuinely intelligible only if it displays this sort of monistic unity: why should we think that the world really does display such a unity? We might hope that the world would display such unity, but is there any reason to think the world will cooperate? Suppose intelligibility requires that kind of unity: why should we think our world is intelligible in that sense? Is it reasonable to say to a theist, “Well, if theism were true, there would be two quite different sorts of things: God on the one hand, and the creatures he has created on the other. But that cannot really be true: for if it were, the world would not display the sort of unity required for intelligibility”? Won’t the theist be quite properly content to forgo that sort of intelligibility?

 

III.

I COME FINALLY to Nagel’s positive thesis. Materialist naturalism, he shows, is false, but what does he propose to put in its place? Here he is a little diffident. He thinks that it may take centuries to work out a satisfactory alternative to materialist naturalism (given that theism is not acceptable); he is content to propose a suggestive sketch. He does so in a spirit of modesty: “I am certain that my own attempt to explore alternatives is far too unimaginative. An understanding of the universe as basically prone to generate life and mind will probably require a much more radical departure from the familiar forms of naturalistic explanation than I am at present able to conceive.”

There are two main elements to Nagel’s sketch. There is panpsychism, or the idea that there is mind, or proto-mind, or something like mind, all the way down. In this view, mind never emerges in the universe: it is present from the start, in that even the most elementary particles display some kind of mindedness. The thought is not, of course, that elementary particles are able to do mathematical calculations, or that they are self-conscious; but they do enjoy some kind of mentality. In this way Nagel proposes to avoid the lack of intelligibility he finds in dualism.

Of course someone might wonder how much of a gain there is, from the point of view of unity, in rejecting two fundamentally different kinds of objects in favor of two fundamentally different kinds of properties. And as Nagel recognizes, there is still a problem for him about the existence of minds like ours, minds capable of understanding a fair amount about the universe. We can see (to some degree, anyway) how more complex material objects can be built out of simpler ones: ordinary physical objects are composed of molecules, which are composed of atoms, which are composed of electrons and quarks (at this point things get less than totally clear). But we haven’t the faintest idea how a being with a mind like ours can be composed of or constructed out of smaller entities that have some kind of mindedness. How do those elementary minds get combined into a less than elementary mind?

The second element of Nagel’s sketch is what we can call natural teleology.His idea seems to be something like this. At each stage in the development of our universe (perhaps we can think of that development as starting with the big bang), there are several different possibilities as to what will happen next. Some of these possibilities are steps on the way toward the existence of creatures with minds like ours; others are not. According to Nagel’s natural teleology, there is a sort of intrinsic bias in the universe toward those possibilities that lead to minds. Or perhaps there was an intrinsic bias in the universe toward the sorts of initial conditions that would lead to the existence of minds like ours. Nagel does not elaborate or develop these suggestions. Still, he is not to be criticized for this: he is probably right in believing that it will take a lot of thought and a long time to develop these suggestions into a truly viable alternative to both materialist naturalism and theism.

 

I SAID ABOVE THAT Nagel applauds the negative side of Intelligent Design but is doubtful about the positive part; and I find myself in much the same position with respect to Mind and Cosmos. I applaud his formidable attack on materialist naturalism; I am dubious about panpsychism and natural teleology. As Nagel sees, mind could not arise in our world if materialist naturalism were true—but how does it help to suppose that elementary particles in some sense have minds? How does that make it intelligible that there should be creatures capable of physics and philosophy? And of poetry, art, and music?

As for natural teleology: does it really make sense to suppose that the world in itself, without the presence of God, should be doing something we could sensibly call “aiming at” some states of affairs rather than others—that it has as a goal the actuality of some states of affairs as opposed to others? Here the problem isn’t just that this seems fantastic; it does not even make clear sense. A teleological explanation of a state of affairs will refer to some being that aims at this state of affairs and acts in such a way as to bring it about. But a world without God does not aim at states of affairs or anything else. How, then, can we think of this alleged natural teleology?

When it comes to accommodating life and mind, theism seems to do better. According to theism, mind is fundamental in the universe: God himself is the premier person and the premier mind; and he has always existed, and indeed exists necessarily. God could have desired that there be creatures with whom he could be in fellowship. Hence he could have created finite persons in his own image: creatures capable of love, of knowing something about themselves and their world, of science, literature, poetry, music, art, and all the rest. Given theism, this makes eminently good sense. As Nagel points out, the same cannot be said about materialist naturalism. But do panpsychism and natural teleology do much better?

Nagel’s rejection of theism does not seem to be fundamentally philosophical. My guess is this antipathy to theism is rather widely shared. Theism severely limits human autonomy. According to theism, we human beings are also at best very junior partners in the world of mind. We are not autonomous, not a law unto ourselves; we are completely dependent upon God for our being and even for our next breath. Still further, some will find in theism a sort of intolerable invasion of privacy: God knows my every thought, and indeed knows what I will think before I think it. Perhaps hints of this discomfort may be found even in the Bible itself

Before a word is on my tongue, you know it completely, oh Lord....
Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there.

This discomfort with theism is to some extent understandable, even to a theist. Still, if Nagel followed his own methodological prescriptions and requirements for sound philosophy, if he followed his own arguments wherever they lead, if he ignored his emotional antipathy to belief in God, then (or so I think) he would wind up a theist. But wherever he winds up, he has already performed an important service with his withering critical examination of some of the most common and oppressive dogmas of our age.

Alvin Plantinga is professor of philosophy emeritus at the University of Notre Dame and is the author, most recently, of Where the Conflict Really Lies: Science, Religion, and Naturalism (Oxford University Press). This article appeared in the December 6,  2012 issue of the magazine under the headline “A Secular Heresy.”

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The best response that I can think of is to dispose of teleology as a failed theory of the cause of the universe and replace it with a probabilistic theory as expoused by Multiverse Theorists. If the probability of a universe with mind is greater than zero, then at some point in time that universe will exist. We happen to exist in one of an infinite number of universes currently in existence that allows for minds such as ours to exist. The problem in all of this theorizing is how to prove the theory. That is why I agree with Nagel that it will be a long time before we are able to develop and prove a theory of how and why this universe came into existense.

- robkneff

November 20, 2012 at 2:30am

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It's amazing that the universe and our world exists. It''s amazing that we are alive and aware of our own existence. To conclude from these amazing circumstances that there is intent and purpose strikes me as ridiculous. Either "God existed forever and has purpose" makes no sense. I haven't read the book yet (and might not understand it if I did) but apparently some theoretical physicist claims that nothing can come from something. Also ridiculous. So take your pick. We just don't know. If there is a God, he's probably evil. Explain the huge abundance of pointless suffering. Explain the absurd flaws in our human “design.” The world IS absurd; easier to take if it's an accident than to accept that some evil, incompetent deity created it. “Loving” God is like an abused woman praising her abuser.

- skahn

November 22, 2012 at 12:53am

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How can someone be thought appropriate to review a book on "Darwinist materialism" without even the most rudimentary understanding of Darwinism? It's always amazing what logical contortions are necessary to believe this crap. According to this, physicality and the mind cannot possibly be reconciled by a scientific explanation. However, the mysteries of consciousness and the mind simply vanish when we allow the possibility that they are creations of the Abrahamic God. Never mind that this origin story does not at all account for the physical problem of consciousness. Why should Darwinism be expected to shoulder the burden of explanation (as should be and is the case), but theism be completely absolved of any need to justify itself? The role of natural selection in the development of life and the mind may not be fully understood at this point, but as an actual theoretical framework, it's a hell of a lot better than the willful, blissful ignorance expounded here. This is utter garbage, and it's depressing to find it in the pages of the New Republic.

- bunthorne

November 22, 2012 at 1:52am

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The thrust of this article, as I understand it, seems to be that because science has not yet come up with a materialist explanation for consciousness, cognition and "mind" (whatever that is), the only possible explanation is a supernatural agency -- the "Abrahamic God". Maybe I'm putting words in the author's mouth, but to me that seems a non sequitur. I may be mistaken, but I don't think anyone has conclusively demonstrated that there are features of the universe -- the fact that there is something rather then nothing, consciousness, etc. -- that lie beyond the power of materialism to explain. But even someone were to offer irrefutable proof of that, it wouldn't necessarily imply the existence of an "Abrahamic God". In fact, the "Abrahamic God" explanation wouldn't be an explanation at all--it just would just push the unexplainable back a step. And the author's contention that the materialist explanation for the existence of life on this planet and the evolution of the diversity of life-forms is improbable seems like nothing more than an unsupported assertion, with no measurable assessment of probability. Hasn't the basic chemistry of life been worked out? Isn't there a fossil record? Why is the materialist explanation for the origin and evolution of life more improbable than an eternally existing "Abrahamic God"?

- BillW

November 22, 2012 at 9:10am

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I must be missing something. Being uncomfortable with basing worldview on some things that are known to be possible though statistically not very probable, we fall back on explanations that are -- at this point -- known to be flat out impossible. Aren't 1-in-a-skillion odds still alot better than zero?

- ddbuu

November 22, 2012 at 10:23am

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Good, old fashioned god-of-the-gaps bullshit. That the reviewer seems proud of his ignorance concerning science is fitting in this context.

- nehocm002

November 22, 2012 at 11:05am

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The real mystery of evolution is how it has produced book reviewers who can spew groundless assertions as though they were eternal truths, as well as editors of respectable publications willing to publish such drivel.

- nehocm002

November 22, 2012 at 11:15am

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"These two conceptions of materialist naturalism are very likely false." That's that then. Dawkins should hang his head in shame for writing all that garbage about 3.5 billion years of evolution. Not probably - not "commonsense" - therefore didn't happen. Right on. David Attenborough, Desmond Morris - bunkum. As Johnson would say, there's an end on't. Oh it's not April 1. Sorry! The Nobel Prize analogy is one of the daftest I have read in these pages in a long time. The problem is not, however - or not only or merely - the reviewer's tenuous grasp of science, Darwinism, natural selection, or cosmology. The analysis - by the reviewer and, apparently, by the author - is at war with its premise: if consciousness is not fully understood or explained, it is hardly possible to speculate about its origins - material or not. Look, I am not an atheist: I cannot, in good conscience, deny the existence of that which by definition is beyond human comprehension. Maybe there is a god, or a "primordial mind", somewhere out there, beneath the pale blue moon. But surely, that thing out there, in here, is incapable of proof by such pedestrian "it just don't make no sense none" analyses. The review is simply embarrassing; it reads like a failed attempt at parody - probably an Onion reject.

- icarus-r

November 22, 2012 at 12:14pm

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Oh - and I agree with all of the above. Neho gets "Comment of the Day" for me :).

- icarus-r

November 22, 2012 at 12:15pm

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Metaphysics and the philosophy of the mind are beyond the grasp of TNR's commentariat (hint: this has nothing to do with the process of evolution -- it is an argument about materialistic reductionism applied to subjective mental states and the supposed inability for materialistic reductionism to satisfactorily account for either our behavior, our presence, or our experiences. Disagree with those arguments or accept them, but neither Nagel nor Plantinga are bible-thumping, science-demonizing lightweights). Bravo to TNR, however. A fascinating review (by one of the foremost metaphysicians of our age) of a book authored by one of the foremost philosophers of the mind. I do not agree entirely with either Plantinga or Nagel's arguments, but this was extraordinarily interesting, nonetheless.

- zuludown

November 22, 2012 at 12:57pm

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This reviewer plays the tired rhetorical gambit of asking lots of questions, as if to imply that a lack of immediate, concrete and easily comprehensible answers means the questions are unanswerable. History shows us that we have answers to many questions that were previously opaque; at root, that's what scientific investigation is about. There is every reason to expect that as time passes humanity will understand more. Computer scientists are edging ever closer to creating machines that exhibit something indistinguishable from consciousness. It is likely that once such machines exist, theists will criticize them for their lack of functional mystery. Religion has its uses. It is, however, useless as a means of explaining the material world, or our own consciousness. To ascribe existence to a deity explains nothing, as it necessarily posits the deity is without explanation. Theism as an explanation of the material world is at best intellectually corrupt, and more typically delusional.

- ajgreen

November 22, 2012 at 12:59pm

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With that said, there are two major problems I have with both Plantinga and Nagel's analyis. (1) Saying that something is unlikely isn't particularly compelling, even if it spectacularly unlikely, if that "something" has occurred. We are here, and so whatever caused us to occur, no matter how unlikely, occurred, and if nothing that could have caused us to occur did actually occur, then we would not be here and we could not have this conversation. (2) While materialism cannot account fully for any sort of necessary connection between the body and mind, even if the body and mind are the same thing, it is not as if any sort of separate ego or soul or mind can do much better. There would still need to be a connection between the brain and cognition ("me"), but it would just be transferred a bit. It's the homunculus problem. Perhaps these objections are better addressed in the book, as they seem fairly basic.

- zuludown

November 22, 2012 at 1:04pm

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Yeah zuludown, this went right over our heads. The failure of any current materialistic theory to fully account for consciousness is a question different from whether or not Darwinian natural selection is the source of complex life in the universe. You just blew our minds, man! Then, in your second comment, you address two problems you have with the authors' analysis. Perhaps if you stooped to actually read the comments above, you might see that the incredibly trenchant observations you made are more or less the same that other commentors made. I would have expected better reading comprehension from such an advanced mind. I am not familiar with the work of either the author of the book, nor of the review. The author of the book may or may not be "one of the foremost philosophers of the mind," but if the author of the review is "one of the foremost metaphysicians of our age," then it is a sorry age indeed.

- bunthorne

November 22, 2012 at 2:56pm

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Zulu: "We are here, and so whatever caused us to occur, no matter how unlikely, occurred, and if nothing that could have caused us to occur did actually occur, then we would not be here and we could not have this conversation." I don't think you have characterised the argument of the author/reviewer accurately. His point is that the Darwinian system, which relies on the occurrence of an improbable event to explain us, cannot be correct because 1) some improbable events do not happen, and 2) we are, nevertheless here. The conclusion is that something other than the Darwinian system, and its improbabilities, is responsible for our being here. But of course, regardless of the metaphysical or philosophical credentials of the author or the reviewer, their position is not tenable in basic logic. That an occurrence is highly improbable does not make it impossible; that there is no scientific explanation now as to the confluence of body and "mind" - assuming they are different things, and it is a large and unsupportable assumption - does not mean that there is none or that there will not be any. On the basis of these two logical fails, the rest of the metaphysical discussion is really not all that interesting or relevant.

- icarus-r

November 22, 2012 at 3:07pm

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"Metaphysics and the philosophy of the mind are beyond the grasp of TNR's commentariat" To second Bunthorn, you might possibly have a better claim on our attention if you refrained from this sort of silliness. There is a commenter - LibRef - who routinely questions our capacity to understand an author, when the real issue is whether author is saying anything worth understanding. In this case, the reviewer is making a scientific judgement that is on its face false. Hard to take the metaphysics seriously after that.

- icarus-r

November 22, 2012 at 3:12pm

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Zulu, I think I am able to grasp the specious circularity of Plantinga's argument, if we may credit such ill-informed or deliberately misleading abuses of logic as argument. I am aware of his attempts at apologetics, not because I was willing to wade through his academic work but due to the attention he received while cavorting with the ID crowd at Discovery Institute. Since he is obviously not a stupid man, his distortions of the scientific worldview suggest questions about motive. His (and your) straw-man caricature of materialism as dependent on naive reductionism is an insult to both scientists and philosophers. Are you familiar with the age-of-earth problem in the late 19th century? The sun is obviously young, since there is no sort of combustion that could keep a ball of plasma with solar mass hot for more than a few thousand years. The evidence which appears to suggest an old Earth must therefor be misleading in some way.

- nehocm002

November 22, 2012 at 4:05pm

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"God could have desired that there be creatures with whom he could be in fellowship. Hence he could have created finite persons in his own image: creatures capable of love, of knowing something about themselves and their world, of science, literature, poetry, music, art, and all the rest." Plantinga seems to posit such a state of affairs without pausing for even a moment to consider that (a) there is no justification for regarding knowledge of science, literature etc as a automatic corollary of love -- cultured, highly-educated Nazis engaged in or tacitly supported genocide; (b) science, literature, poetry, music etc are not pre-existing components of the universe in any real sense -- as opposed to nature -- but rather human creations using the material of the human world; (c) the nature of the power differential between us and any possible divinity makes the use of the term "fellowship" very strange -- and in any case contradicts the thesis of restricted human autonomy Plantinga argues elsewhere. Fellowship is the opposite of authority and externally-imposed restriction.

- ironyroad

November 22, 2012 at 5:19pm

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icarus -- I see no evidence that Plantinga or Nagel "misunderstand" modern biology or cosmology's arguments in regards to how life/the universe/everything originated. And yet much of the criticism directed at the article is in regards to such an alleged error. I agree that Plantinga is in error, but his and Nagel's mistakes do not lie in their criticism of materialistic reductionism nor the sciences to which it adheres. Instead, their error is in building a philosophy that supposedly is more complete, which it is not. nehocm002 -- The difference between a problem with the age of the earth and an issue with the ontology of the mind is that the former _is_ something entirely answerable via observed phenomena. Issues of the mind and body and how they relate are, necessarily, philosophical questions -- questions which may, one day, be adequately answered by scientific, objective observations, but which today rely upon evaluations of subjective phenomena (what it is to exist). The age of the sun is a question that can be answered purely physically, but the question of whether or not there is such a thing as a "mind" or "soul" separate from the body and irreducible to physical states is a question best answered by reason and logic rather than empirical observation -- how could it be otherwise?

- zuludown

November 22, 2012 at 5:37pm

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Zulu, it would be difficult for me to make a more compelling argument for my position than the statements you have just posted here. I rest my case.

- nehocm002

November 22, 2012 at 11:00pm

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This conclusion is the best evidence of the reviewer's misunderstanding: "These two conceptions of materialist naturalism are very likely false." "but the question of whether or not there is such a thing as a "mind" or "soul" separate from the body and irreducible to physical states is a question best answered by reason and logic rather than empirical observation -- how could it be otherwise?" "soul" being a metaphysical construct to enable metaphysicians understand phenomena that had no scientific explanation is, of course, a matter for metaphysics. "mind" being the end result of chemical and physical interactions that are observable on an MRI is clearly a matter of empiricism and not just of logic - which, by the way, is itself a construct of the "mind". The existence of neither necessary proves or disproves Darwinian evolution, or an Abrahamic God for that matter. The conclusion that the mind is the product of something outside evolution because current evolution science cannot prove its development is simply junk science. To assert it demonstrates basic ignorance of the principles of scientific enquiry. To jump from there to a primordial creator is bad logic.

- icarus-r

November 22, 2012 at 11:22pm

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This book and the review seem to me to be examples of the "God of the Gaps" outlook that I used to believe in. Before I grew up. True, science can't explain Everything. But this approach can't explain Anything. And science is constantly advancing, while the "can't explain THIS" crowd has been retreating, retreating, retreating for over a century and a half. It's the world view of a crayfish--when threatened, make a big show of your claws, splash around a bit, then withdraw in the face of overwhelming evidence to whatever rock hollow you can find temporary shelter in. But you have to be ready to do it all over again when the next discovery comes along and turns over your stone shelter. Hopefully, your critics will get distracted before they realize how far you've had to withdraw, and before they realize that the future holds nothing but future withdrawals. Truly, this God begins where actual knowledge ends. Contrary to the review, there are quite a few plausible theories out there on how non-life can become life. The problem is that we don't currently have enough info to choose between theories. We're not starving for possible explanations, we're standing in front of a gigantic cosmic smorgasbord, having a hard time making up our mind. You don't have to assemble a T Rex from random molecules. You don't have to establish a complex ecosystem, or even a comples chemical entitiy. All you have to do (in one of the many plausible scenarios) is assemble a film of fatty acid molecules (which happens by itself) and couple that to RNA or some other replicating molecule. Get that system going once, just once, around the abundant volcanic vent environments on the ocean floor, and the rest can happen from fairly simple Darwinian principles. No, that is not THE answer. But it is one of many plausible answers, and to dismiss it as unimaginable shows both a failure of imagination and a remarkable degree of sheer ignorance as to the state of actual science on this subject. This kind of drivel should not survive editing or basic fact checking.

- gwcross

November 23, 2012 at 11:11am

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I commented late and while tired, though probably no more stupidly than if I had been writing early and alert. I thought, I will be more intelligent and coherent after I sleep. Then I will have something more perceptive and impressive to say. I awoke to find more intelligent, coherent, and sophisticated people than I (just about everyone who comments at TNR) had been busily undermining religious belief. 1. I have read and appreciated everyone's comments. (Just wanted each of you to know that someone reads and perhaps understands your comments). 2. You convinced me that there is no God. Just in case you were wondering. Also, I got home from a very pleasant Thanksgiving family gathering to find one of our hens dead, a ripped and shredded carcase (obviously the victim of a hawk penetrating our Maginot Line defenses). What kind of God would allow that to happen?

- skahn

November 23, 2012 at 1:24pm

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Being at work on these issues for an academic project of my own, and having read the complete transcript of the 2005 Dover, Pennsylvania, intelligent design trial" (Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School Board, available at talkorigins.org), I'm interested in this discussion. The "god of the gaps" argument and the "either/or fallacy" arguments both played clear roles in that trial, as did Michael Behe's complete rhetorical collapse on the witness stand. It makes for fascinating reading. What many such discussions don't include is the role of language. When and how language originated is one of those questions for which we have a smorgasbord of possible answers; we can't explain it in materialist terms now, but that doesn't mean we don't have in our possession a correct answer. But the point is that once language appears, the whole game changes. Kenneth Burke, the literary critic and rhetorician, included in his "definition of man [sic]" that began with "the symbol-using animal" the phrase "separated from nature by tools of his own making." Language is the tool that allows not only the creation of airplanes and computers, through the interactions of thought it enables; it is also, in Burke's calculus, the tool that enables us to think of things not in nature. A simple example he uses more than once is that of the concept of "tree": you can do things with the concept of "tree" that you can't do with any real tree you might find in nature. Burke sees this capacity as arising from the possibility of classification that language, as opposed to piling similar stones in groups, expands exponentially. In his view, language entails the idea of God through this classificatory system, which, in dialectical fashion, finally arrives an ultimate that is both all things and "no thing." There is too much to be considered about how language mediates our relationship with reality for me to say much of it here. And I would agree that the theory that language itself is a causative force in the development of human cognition (while saying little about consciousness itself, the prior condition), is "just" a theory. But it has had great resonance for me, and seems to be missing from this discussion.

- vanderso

November 23, 2012 at 1:36pm

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Nagel's and Plantinga's argument against materialism strikes me as being rather similar to Richard Rorty's neo-pragmatism. Materialistic reductionism fails as a theory of mind because its explanatory power is so paltry, i.e. it isn't "useful." A pragmatist reading of Nagel might also help resolve the conflict Plantinga finds between Nagel's critique of materialism and his rejection of theism. Still I'm unconvinced by the argument against Darwinism on grounds of life's fantastic improbability. Who's to say how improbable is too improbable? How many organochemical rolls of the dice on how many trillions on planents over how many billions of years would be enough to convince Nagel that the improbable was nevertheless likely to occur at least once?

- AaronW

November 23, 2012 at 5:48pm

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Even without having studied science and worked as a scientist, the notion that materialism should be able to answer everything seems doubtful. Where science succeeds best is where we can completely isolate problems and test them in well defined ways. For example, verifying the non-locality of spin in entangled particles such as photons has largely affirmed the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox, although this paradox was originally meant to show that the notion of non-locality in quantum mechanics was wrong. Science also is able to extrapolate to areas that cannot be directly probed, such as string theory, but the risks and uncertainties of these notions are less assured. Appeals to the future discoveries are of course reasonable, but not assured. This also applies to biology, where the profound power of natural selection can be seen in the structure of biomolecules and sequence alignments can be inferred throughout the "kingdoms", These are further correlated with the independent evidence of the fossil record. Again, we can make reasonable appeals to future discoveries when we encounter uncertainties, but it would be wise to let science do what it does best and not be too zealous about importing metaphysical views into the work that scientists do. Though I have my reservations on how far we can extrapolate natural selection, I'm not completely persuaded that Plantinga's or Nagel's views will stand. Here I appeal to a warning of the possibilities of future discoveries. Nevertheless, the usual comments here about not understanding evolution are making me very sleepy. Finally, at the core of this is metaphysics. Plantinga and Nagel are both thinking about ultimate reality. Moreover, they are both thinking beyond the vacuous coldness of space that materialism offers us. It's an idol of 20th century science, likely to captivate the young and unwary with its alluring simplicity, but whatever "is", I doubt that it ended with the close of 20th century and now we are just sweeping up the lab. Though I cannot see the point of it, even the materialist, with all success of science and all the hubris that emanates from that success, is still grasping at faith.

- wkdawson

November 23, 2012 at 10:29pm

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Is it too much to ask that the dualists stop representing contemporary physicalist views as though nothing had changed since Newton's time? Really, we do understand that nature is not a bunch of very tiny billiard balls bouncing around. There are a few scientists, including some rather famous ones, who reject materialism because it makes them unhappy, and scientists want to be happy too. This however is not evidence that happiness is not an emergent property of certain entirely physical systems. My dog is clearly happy at times. For a good time go look into theist arguments about animal soulfulness. Don't forget the amoebae.

- nehocm002

November 23, 2012 at 11:46pm

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I read this article in the hope of finding stronger arguments against Darwin's idea of evolution and in favor of "intelligent design" than I was, in fact, able to identify. What Plantinga says is based on common sense, the same common sense that once maintained that the sun revolved around the earth because we see it rise every morning and set every evening. To say that animals and plants are too complex to result from natural selection is a common sense argument that can be easily turned on its head. Can't complexity and imperfection in nature be expected results of evolution over millions of years? Don't we see extensive evidence for natural selection in fossils, archeological findings, and, more recently, in analysis of historic DNA? I would be nice to believe in that life has a predetermined purpose but any such belief must necessarily result from faith rather than from analysis and evaluation of increasingly available physical evidence.

- johpet

November 24, 2012 at 3:05pm

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The reviewer, Alvin Plantinga, does not appear to understand agnosticism. An agnostic is not someone who "holds no opinion one way or the other." An agnostic is someone who believes that the question at issue cannot be meaningfully answered or resolved. Not surprisingly for someone who does not understand agnosticism, Plantinga's review is little more than a string of unsupported assertions that theocratic explanations for the existence of life and consciousness make more sense than materialistic explanations. And finally, the existence of a transcendent God is not a necessary prerequisite for evolution to be subject to certain directional constraints. RJ

- nr112221

November 24, 2012 at 5:01pm

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The article frequently resorts to pronouncements of probability -- that thus and so (e.g., our world as we know it) is highly unlikely. And yet, the author acknowledges that improbable events will likely occur. For example, just as our world as we know it is improbable, so too were the precise events of yesterday, down to the last molecule. And yet, they happened, just as they did. Go figure. How do we test the notion of "improbability"? To say that so many things had to happen just as they did in order to reach the precise result won't cut it, any more than it would dissuade us from our belief in the precise events of yesterday. If an event were improbable, we would expect it to be rare. Sure enough, human-like intelligence in the universe seems awfully rare, at least as far as we can see. All that tells us, though, is that we happen to be the cosmic lottery winners, which we already knew. We would have to be the winners in order to have this conversation. In a universe of enormous and still unknown possibilities, never mind a multiverse of literally infinite possibilities, what are the odds that, somewhere, somehow, something like our little rock would happen by natural, non-magical processes alone? I can't put a number on it, but it seems much greater than 0. So much for the probability pronouncements. He absurdly suggests that evolution by natural selection is a "belief" that defies the "evidence," like his guess that he will win the Nobel Prize. On the contrary, it is the best theory going, based on reams of evidence (in the ground and in the lab), that we have as to how the world as we know it came to be. There are two dissenting suggestions put forward -- (a) that evolution didn't have time to produce our world without some mysterious something else, and (b) that evolution doesn't account for the mind, consciousness, and cognition. As to the first suggestion, no persuasive argument is outlined in this article, and, in the absence of that, I'm going to have to trust the scientific consensus. It would be quite a blow to that consensus if it could be shown that there simply wasn't enough time for natural selection to work. I have to assume that such a showing hasn't been made. As to the second suggestion, putting aside the "commonsense" intuition that a community of creatures with human-like faculties is certainly aided by those faculties, and the simple observation that humans have in fact dominated the planet, the underlying assumption seems to be that the development of the mind just as we know it must have been necessary to survival, the underlying theory being, apparently, that if we can point to some feature of nature that is not strictly necessary in this way, then the natural selection theory is proven wrong. But this assumption is false, isn't it? Nature is efficient, yes, but only as efficient as it needs to be -- it's not perfectly efficient. The whole point is that living things are not designed to fit their environment just so with no extraneous feature, but rather are adapted to it, over time and through a messy process. Isn't it possible, likely even, that that process would produce aspects and characteristics that are not strictly necessary for survival? Thus, human faculties as we know them may, at least to *some* extent, be a happy accident of nature. There are mysteries, certainly, but none that warrant either a rejection of Darwin on the one hand, or an acceptance of the mere assertion of magic on the other. Magic is plain nonsense, and answers no questions at all. The writer of the article, unlike the author of the book, suggests that his theory works where the scientific theories fail. But it doesn't. The problem with God as an answer is that it simply raises more questions -- questions almost identical to the questions that the God answer was supposed to solve. If it makes sense to say that life as we know it is "improbable," why doesn't it make just as much sense to say that *God* is improbable? If it makes sense to say that everything had a cause and God is that cause, why doesn't it make just as much sense to ask, What caused God? And so on. "God" is just the word or the concept that we use to fill in the as-yet unfilled blanks. Don't know how something happened or why? "God did it." You might as well say, "blah blah blah." The concept has no explanatory power, because it is bedeviled by just the same sorts of conundrums that had us searching for God in the first place, plus many more on its own terms. It solves nothing. It's simply cosmic confusion and question-begging. The article suggests that there are two or more kinds of things. "Materialism" is thought to be reductive and unsatisfying because it excludes magic. That's all it excludes. It's only saying that there is one sort of thing to the extent that other sorts don't actually exist. It's concerned with existing things, however or whatever, known or unknown. If there is magical material, we may yet discover it, but, once glimpsed, it would cease to be magical. Nature is another word for what exists, and science is (literally) another word for knowledge. The religious apologist, seeking to preserve for respectable circles the emotional power of the numinous, and who is dissatisfied with earthly profundity (the only kind there is), invents incoherent categories like "supernatural" and "metaphysical" and a special way of "knowing" about them called "faith" or "belief." The article steers clear of this bottom line, because faith, when understood for what it is, is either unreasonable, and thus not defensible by reasoned argument of the sort presented in the article, or reasonable, in which case it would cease to be faith but rather a bona fide argument that should hold persuasive power.

- JakeH

November 26, 2012 at 2:46am

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Jake, since you obviously lack the background required to comprehend this subject matter, having failed to convey your arguments encrypted in the opaque jargon of analytic philosophy, Plantinga et al will ignore you. I know how it hurts.

- nehocm002

November 26, 2012 at 2:42pm

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The reviewer and author point out their ignorance in the fifth paragraph, arguing against the assertion that "life has come to be just by the workings of the laws of physics and chemistry. As Nagel points out, this is extremely improbable, at least given current evidence: no one has suggested any reasonably plausible process whereby this could have happened." Yes, they have. There are well-known experiments that produce the building blocks of life (amino acids) using hypothesized early-earth conditions. You may not think this is "reasonably plausible," but the fact is that the scientific community is engaged in intense and rigorous study of this issue. TNR evidently needs a science editor. Thank God (metaphorically) for TNR readers who can refute this pseudo-intellectual claptrap.

- polcereal

November 26, 2012 at 2:48pm

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I would expect this book to be listed and reviewed on a website in the home schooling industry, of the evolution denying variety. Google on "home schooling intelligent design" for multiple examples. The book author's thesis is: absent sufficient knowledge of physical processes (physics, chemistry) and mathamatics (probability) I don't think a non directed development of life form and increased complexity of life forms can occur. Therefore, logically enough, what we observe at this time developed here by being directed in some purposeful way. The book author is a little squeamish about calling the director god. The idea of assignimg some essence to atomic particles, or atoms, that provides a drive toward the improving route is certainly novel. I guess the alcohol and ammonia molecules don't do random motion, instead do a particularly nice waltz as they interact. The review article author agrees with the first half of the argument but is happy to assign god the directors task. This is not science; this is nonsensical intelligent design dogma. Isn't this stupid idea one that has been rejected by our society? for good reasons. Schools teach evolution and attempts to include creationism and intelligent design in the nations curriculum has been rejected by the court. The publisher of THR needs to have a sit down with the book editor of the magazine and some assessment of TNRs science editorial capability. Please.

- jackgaasch

November 27, 2012 at 1:12am

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Let me second jackgaasch's request that TNR engage a proper science editor with all due haste. One of the principle reasons I have maintained a subscription over the years is precisely because of the quality and scope of the essays and reviews. That this ridiculous pre-Enlightenment drivel appears here is almost beyond comprehension. What's next, an exegesis of the age-old question re the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin? Please, leave Know-Nothing commentary to Know-Nothing venues. There are enough of them out there.

- EmpiricalWarrior

November 27, 2012 at 5:14pm

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While I agree and applaud the various logical and dissections of Platinga's dubious (and very tire-tread marked road slaughtered arguments), I wonder if it's not naive to ask for a science editor to block such articles. TNR is a magazine, one that barely survives in the marketplace and depends on"angels" to keep going, though not supernatural ones). Probably one can create a "scientific" vegetarian diet that might keep a lion or tiger alive for a while, but without some red meat (and perhaps on the hoof for the predator to hunt), you will have a couple very bored and depressed big cats. I suspect that this silly article was intentionally released for the TNR secular carnivores to sink their fangs and claws into. Although I am only a little pussy cat in these prides of intellectual big cats, I am enjoying the drops of blood I can lick up here.

- skahn

November 27, 2012 at 10:38pm

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Both the review and, according to it, the book reviewed have three glaring deficiencies. The deficiencies are: (1) Both the review and the subject book are fraught with references to complex concepts which defy simple definitions and which definitions are the subject of controversy and therefore require that they be explained: this is a typical semantics problem. (2) If we are to assume the review is accurate, then Nagel uses the ruse of continuously setting up straw men and then shooting them down. (3) Search as I did through the review I could not find what the thesis of the subject book was except that the author writes of the materialist neo-Darwinian concept of nature and has no ideas of value to offer other than it is inexplicable.

- phyrro

November 27, 2012 at 11:02pm

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Perhaps TNR editors will be impressed by the attention this piece is generating: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2012/11/in_the_new_repu066591.html http://christianweb.us/christian_news/2012/11/in-the-new-republic-plantinga-on-nagel-and-stephen-meyer/ etc. Nice work.

- nehocm002

November 28, 2012 at 12:00am

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Thanks for your support, budrap. I would also like to compliment skahn on the charitable treatment of TNR provided in the comment. The argument that is provided there that 'reaching out' in a sort of pr way has some merit. However, nehocm002's first link is to one of those intelligent design (ID) website supporters that expresses satisfaction that a publication as prestigious as TNR 'supports' ID. Nice work, indeed. TNR reached out to me: I started reading TNR back in the college library, early 60s. At that time TNR featured Jules Feiffer cartoons, and I picked up the magazine as a break from calculus homework to check them out and lingered. That's a goofy reason to be attracted to TNR I suppose, but harmless (i thought). And I disagree with skahn, in so far as that there should be a limitation on what level one should go to 'attract' new readers. And I think that reviewing this book is a little too low, and printing a laudatory review is below the bottom. I went on from the calculus class at a community college in the midwest to a post BS degree at a technology institute in Massachusetts and feel strongly that science provides much for our understanding of the world, not to mention strength to our nation, and that an accurate representation of science is important. In the same issue of TNR, the Washington Diarist provides a very personal experience of what storm Sandy was (still is). In the Diarist Mr Wieseltier calls for addressing the reality of climate change, that is, face reality, face climatology science. It is of no small consequence to undermine the value of science in the book section of TNR in a society that has a significant number and significant power pushing in the wrong direction. Sorry about that 'THR' in my first posting. That and other typo reflects the fact that i should have taken that typing class in high school. It is nice that we readers get to chat on this TNR posting opportunity. Some magazines include a 'letters to the editor' and some even respond to readership's concerns. In the case of this article, I for one would like some kind of response from Chris Hughes. Put it in a future issue, Mr Hughes. Some of us are very disappointed.

- jackgaasch

November 28, 2012 at 4:35am

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Jackg: Nothing more flattering than being damned with faint praise. I also passed calculus in college, resulting (it's true!) in getting a summer job on a Chevrolet assembly line (putting bolts on bumpers) and an offer of a scholarship to General Motors Institute (a college at one time run by GM). I turned it down. As punishment, the Devil seized my soul and said, "You will be punished by not ever believing in God, in being accused of being a "self-hating Jew" (whatever the hell that means), and of an eternity (or what seems like to victims) of posting really stupid comments to TNR.

- skahn

November 29, 2012 at 3:54pm

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Alvin Plantinga provides a great example as to why philosophy has little relevance in a modern world. Contrary to what Mr. Plantinga seems to think, science is not THE answer, it is a rigorous process to determine answers. Philosophy on the other hand has little rigor except that it meet the adherent's requirement for internal coherence. So, being a philosopher Mr. Plantinga is allowed to conveniently jump to theism because science hasn't shown him how life arose from inanimate matter and mindless forces. This is simply sloppy intellectualism as theism by default rejects evidence in preference for faith. Illustrating how sloppy philosophy is, is Nagel's math. He posits that the probability that "that life has somehow come to be from non-life just by the working of the laws of physics and chemistry is vanishingly small" (let's say 1/infinity) thus positing that the probability that an intelligent designer somehow came "to be from non-life just by the working of the laws of physics and chemistry is" absolute certainty (unity or 1). This is simply nonsense. If his allegation that the probability that simple life, life that can only operate within and perhaps manipulate nature's forces, arising out of nothing is essentially zero, then how much more improbable is it that a far more complex and capable intelligent designer would arise from the same conditions? After all, Mr. Plantinga's intelligent designer actually created the universe, thus its arising from nothing would be even more improbable than beings as simple as us. What appears to be at the root of Mr. Plantinga's concern is his perceived place in the universe. He seems that he wants to be special but science implies that he, humans in general, are not. Therefore the problem seems to be materialist naturalism itself, which is itself a philosophical construct, developed by people who aren't theists because they saw no evidence for a god. I think that Mr. Plantinga simply wants to belong and science doesn't provide a father.

- jeffbiss

February 26, 2013 at 1:11pm

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