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Saving Darwin: How to be a Christian and Believe in Evolution
By Karl W. Giberson
(HarperOne, 248 pp., $24.95)
Only A Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America's Soul
By Kenneth R. Miller
(Viking, 244 pp., $25.95)
I.
Charles Darwin was born on February 12, 1809--the same day as Abraham Lincoln--and published his magnum opus, On the Origin of Species, fifty years later. Every half century, then, a Darwin Year comes around: an occasion to honor his theory of evolution by natural selection, which is surely the most important concept in biology, and perhaps the most revolutionary scientific idea in history. 2009 is such a year, and we biologists are preparing to fan out across the land, giving talks and attending a multitude of DarwinFests. The melancholy part is that we will be speaking more to other scientists than to the American public. For in this country, Darwin is a man of low repute. The ideas that made Darwin's theory so revolutionary are precisely the ones that repel much of religious America, for they imply that, far from having a divinely scripted role in the drama of life, our species is the accidental and contingent result of a purely natural process.
And so the culture wars continue between science and religion. On one side we have a scientific establishment and a court system determined to let children learn evolution rather than religious mythology, and on the other side the many Americans who passionately resist those efforts. It is a depressing fact that while 74 percent of Americans believe that angels exist, only 25 percent accept that we evolved from apelike ancestors. Just one in eight of us think that evolution should be taught in the biology classroom without including a creationist alternative. Among thirty-four Western countries surveyed for the acceptance of evolution, the United States ranked a dismal thirty-third, just above Turkey. Throughout our country, school boards are trying to water down the teaching of evolution or sneak creationism in beside it. And the opponents of Darwinism are not limited to snake-handlers from the Bible Belt; they include some people you know. As Karl Giberson notes in Saving Darwin, "Most people in America have a neighbor who thinks the Earth is ten thousand years old."
The cultural polarization of America has been aggravated by attacks on religion from the "new atheists," writers such as Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, who are die-hard Darwinists. Outraged religious leaders, associating evolutionary biology with atheism, counterattacked. This schism has distressed liberal theologians and religious scientists, who have renewed their efforts to reconcile religion and science. The "science" is nearly always evolutionary biology, which is far more controversial than any area of chemistry or physics. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project, wrote The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief; the philosopher Michael Ruse produced Can a Darwinian Be a Christian? (his answer is yes); and there are high-profile books by theologians such as John Haught and John Polkinghorne. The Templeton Foundation gives sizeable grants to projects for reconciling science and religion, and awards a yearly prize of two million dollars to a philosopher or scientist whose work highlights the "spiritual dimension of scientific progress." The National Academy of Sciences, America's most prestigious scientific body, issued a pamphlet assuring us that we can have our faith and Darwin, too:
Science and religion address separate aspects of human experience. Many scientists have written eloquently about how their scientific studies of biological evolution have enhanced rather than lessened their religious faith. And many religious people and denominations accept the scientific evidence for evolution.
Would that it were that easy! True, there are religious scientists and Darwinian churchgoers. But this does not mean that faith and science are compatible, except in the trivial sense that both attitudes can be simultaneously embraced by a single human mind. (It is like saying that marriage and adultery are compatible because some married people are adulterers. ) It is also true that some of the tensions disappear when the literal reading of the Bible is renounced, as it is by all but the most primitive of JudeoChristian sensibilities. But tension remains. The real question is whether there is a philosophical incompatibility between religion and science. Does the empirical nature of science contradict the revelatory nature of faith? Are the gaps between them so great that the two institutions must be considered essentially antagonistic? The incessant stream of books dealing with this question suggests that the answer is not straightforward.
The easiest way to harmonize science and religion is simply to re-define one so that it includes the other. We may claim, for example, that "God" is simply the name we give to the order and harmony of the universe, the laws of physics and chemistry, the beauty of nature, and so on. This is the naturalistic pantheism of Spinoza. Its most famous advocate was Einstein, often (and wrongly) described as believing in a personal God:
The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man.
But the big problem with this "reconciliation," in which science does not marry religion so much as digest it, is that it leaves out God completely--or at least the God of the monotheistic faiths, who has an interest in the universe. And this is unacceptable to most religious people. Look at the numbers: 90 percent of Americans believe in a personal God who interacts with the world, 79 percent believe in miracles, 75 percent in heaven, and 72 percent in the divinity of Jesus. In his first popular book, Finding Darwin's God, Kenneth Miller attacked pantheism because it "dilutes religion to the point of meaninglessness." He was right.
A meaningful effort to reconcile science and faith must start by recognizing them as they are actually understood and practiced by human beings. You cannot re-define science so that it includes the supernatural, as Kansas's board of education did in 2005. Nor can you take "religion" to be the philosophy of liberal theologians, which, frowning on a personal God, is often just a hairsbreadth away from pantheism. After all, the goal is not to turn the faithful into liberal theologians, but to show them a way to align their actual beliefs with scientific truths. Theologians sometimes suggest a reconciliation by means of naturalistic deism, the idea that the creation of the universe--and perhaps the laws of physics--was the direct handiwork of a deity who then left things alone as they unfolded, never interfering in nature or history again. For the faithful, this has been even more problematic than pantheism: it not only denies miracles, virgin births, answered prayers, and the entire cosmological apparatus of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and much of Buddhism, but also raises the question of where God came from in the first place.
No, a proper solution must harmonize science with theism: the concept of a transcendent and eternal god who nonetheless engages the world directly and pays special attention to the real object of divine creation, Homo sapiens. And so we have Karl Giberson and Kenneth Miller, theistic scientists and engaging writers, both demolishing what they see as a false reconciliation--the theory of intelligent design--and offering their own solutions. Giberson is a professor of physics at Eastern Nazarene College, a Christian school, and has written three books on the tension between science and religion. He is the former editor of Science and Spirit, a magazine published by the Templeton Foundation. (Saving Darwin was also financed by Templeton.) Kenneth Miller, a cell biologist at Brown University, is one of the most ardent and articulate defenders of evolution against creationism. He is also an observant Catholic. Miller's new book, Only a Theory, is an update of Finding Darwin's God. Both books offer not only a withering critique of intelligent design, but also a search for God in the evolutionary process.
Together, Saving Darwin and Only a Theory provide an edifying summary of the tenets and the flaws of modern creationism, the former dealing mainly with its history and the latter with its specious claims. If these books stopped there, they would raise a valuable alarm about the dangers facing American science and culture. But in the end their sincere but tortuous efforts to find the hand of God in evolution lead them to solutions that are barely distinguishable from the creationism that they deplore.
II.
As recounted by Giberson, the history of creationism in America has itself been an evolutionary process guided by a form of natural selection. After each successive form of creationism has been struck down by the courts for violating the First Amendment, a modified form of the doctrine has appeared, missing some religious content and more heavily disguised in scientific garb. Over time, the movement has shifted from straight Biblical creationism to "scientific creationism," in which the very facts of science were said to support religious stories such as the Genesis creation and Noah's Ark, and then morphed into intelligent design, or ID, a theory completely stripped of its Biblical patina. None of this has fooled the courts. In 2005, a federal judge in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania rebuffed an attempt to introduce ID into the classroom, characterizing the enterprise as disguised creationism and branding its advocates liars. (Miller was an important witness for the prosecution, supporting the rejection of ID.) But of course this has not settled matters. Creationists have returned with appeals to our sense of fair play, urging schools to "teach the controversy"--and never mind that the controversy about evolution is not scientific, but social and political.
What is surprising in all this is how close many creationists have come to Darwinism. Important advocates of ID such as Michael Behe, a professor at Lehigh University (and a witness for the defense in the Harrisburg case), accept that the earth is billions of years old, that evolution has occurred--some of it caused by natural selection--and that many species share common ancestors. In Behe's view, God's role in the development of life could merely have been as the Maker of Mutations, tweaking DNA sequences when necessary to fuel the appearance of new mutations and species. In effect, Behe has bought all but the tail of the Darwinian hog.
Yet other forms of creationism remain. Many IDers are also "young-earth creationists," taking a Biblically based stand that the earth is about six thousand years old. (The evangelist Ken Ham's $27 million Creation Museum in Kentucky depicts a Triceratops wearing a saddle!) Others believe that the distribution of animals on our planet is explained by Noah's Ark. Still others claim that while some species evolved, many others were created by God. Understandably, creationists prefer to hide these differences, deceptively implying that they are philosophically united.
But regardless of their views, all creationists share four traits. First, they devoutly believe in God. No surprise there, except to those who think that ID has a secular basis. Second, they claim that God miraculously intervened in the development of life, either creating every species from scratch or intruding from time to time in an otherwise Darwinian process. Third, they agree that one of these interventions was the creation of humans, who could not have evolved from apelike ancestors. This, of course, reflects the Judeo-Christian view that humans were created in God's image. Fourth, they all adhere to a particular argument called "irreducible complexity." This is the idea that some species, or some features of some species, are too complex to have evolved in a Darwinian manner, and must therefore have been designed by God. Blood clotting in vertebrates, for example, is a complex sequence of enzyme reactions, involving twenty proteins that interact to produce the final clot. If any were missing, the blood would not clot. How could something this sophisticated have blindly evolved?
Easily, says Miller. In a devastating dismantling of ID, he takes the "scientific" claims of ID seriously and follows them to their illogical conclusion. In clear and lively prose, Miller shows that complex biochemical pathways are cobbled together from primitive precursor proteins that once had other functions but were co-opted for new uses. And ID turns out to be simply a "god of the gaps" argument--the view that if we do not yet comprehend a phenomenon completely, we must throw up our hands, stop our research, and praise the Lord. For scientists, that is a prescription for the end of science, for perpetual ignorance.
Miller brilliantly exposes ID for what it is: a farrago of theological assertions and discredited scientific claims designed to inveigle a religious view of life into the biology classroom. IDers have no defined program of scientific research. Although they spend huge sums of money on public relations, they have not produced a single scientifically refereed paper supporting the empirical claims of their "theory." Miller correctly concludes that "the hypothesis of design is compatible with any conceivable data, makes no new testable predictions, and suggests no new avenues for research." One of Miller's keenest insights is that ID involves not just design but also supernatural creation. After all, the designer has to do more than just envision new creatures; he must also place them on Earth. And if that is not creationism (a label that IDers loudly reject), I do not know what is.
For Giberson, ID is not just bad science (or more strictly, not science at all), it is also bad theology:
The world is a complex place, and there is much about the universe that we still don't understand. We are centuries away from closing the many gaps in our current scientific understanding of the natural world.... But it is the business of science to close gaps, and it has long been the central intuition of theology to find a better place to look for God.... Promoting "design" in isolation from God's other attributes is a dangerous and ultimately self-defeating way to get God back into science.
Rather than reconciling religion and science, then, ID puts them in further conflict, damaging both in the process. That is why so many theologians as well as scientists have testified against ID in court.
If ID is an abysmal failure as science, why do so many people continue to press for its adoption in schools? The obvious answer is that ID preserves our status as God's favorite species and seems to imbue the universe with purpose and meaning, while evolutionary biology does neither. In other words, ID, like all forms of creationism, is an extension of religion. This has been recognized by every judge who has ruled on the issue since the Scopes trial of 1925. Curiously, though, Giberson and Miller avoid this issue when tracing the roots of creationism. Instead of singling out religion, they blame two secular movements, populism and atheism.
For Miller, a peculiarly American brand of rugged individualism and distrust of authority has had conflicting effects. First, it has produced America's scientific superiority. Miller notes that in the last three decades, Americans have won about 60 percent of all Nobel Prizes in the sciences.
Is there something in the American character that bore the seeds of this conflict [evolution versus creationism] and provided fertile ground in which it could flourish? I think there is, and I'm not ashamed of that. In fact, I'm downright proud of it.... America is the greatest scientific nation in the world.... Disrespect--that's the key. It's the reason that our country has embraced science so thoroughly, and why America has served as a beacon to scientists from all over the world. A healthy disrespect for authority is part of the American character, and it permeates our institutions, including the institutions of science. Scientists in this country, whether American by birth or choice, have been allowed to dream of revolutionary discoveries, and those dreams have come true more often in this country than in any other.
But this is a two-edged sword.
If rebellion and disrespect are indeed part of the American talent for science, then what should we make of the anti-evolution movement? One part of the analysis is clear. The willingness of Americans to reject established authority has played a major role in the way that local activists have managed to push ideas such as scientific creationism and intelligent design into local schools.
Giberson agrees:
Americans have never been eager or even willing to be led by intellectual elites. A simple commonsense argument by someone you trust is worth more than the pompous pronouncements of an entire university of eggheads. America is a nation that loves cowboys, and cowboys don't need experts telling them what to think.
But do we really owe our leadership in science to our inner John Waynes? Surely there are other--and equally American--factors: freedom from religious persecution, and money. Our scientific community has been immensely enriched by recent immigrants, especially Jews who fled the Nazis. More important, after World War II our government began funding scientific research at a furious rate, a largesse that attracted hosts of foreign scholars. And even though we have dominated the Nobel Prizes since then, in earlier years we were completely eclipsed by Europe. Until 1930, for example, Americans won only four Nobel Prizes in all of the sciences, while twenty-nine went to Germany and fifteen to the United Kingdom. Germans and Britons can hardly be accused of "disrespect for authority"!
The resistance to evolution in America has little to do with populism as such. Our ornery countrymen do not rise up against the idea of black holes or the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. It is evolution that is the unique object of their ire, and for this there is only one explanation. The facts are these: you may find religion without creationism, but you will never find creationism without religion. Miller and Giberson shy away from this simple observation. Their neglect of the real source of creationism is inexcusable but understandable: a book aiming to reconcile evolution and religion can hardly blame the faithful.
Yet it is acceptable, it seems, to blame the faithless. For Giberson and Miller, the main aggressors in the "science wars" are the atheists. Books by the "new atheists," they contend, have inflamed religious moderates who might otherwise be sympathetic to evolution, driving them into the creationist corner. In Finding Darwin's God, Miller explained that "I believe much of the problem lies with atheists in the scientific community who routinely enlist the material findings of evolutionary biology in support [sic] their own philosophical pronouncements." And Giberson concurs:
Critics of creationism were often rude and dismissive and appeared to have agendas that went beyond the truth of various claims about the natural history of the earth.... These famous critics failed to grasp that creationists are also committed Christians and many of them are reasonable, generous, and motivated by the noblest of intentions. Thoughtful Christians sense something disingenuous about the mean-spirited lambasting that accompanies what should be a civil argument about science.
So the obstacle to understanding is not religion, it is those aggressive atheistevolutionists who won't shut up. But consider this: it is Richard Dawkins who, more than anyone else, has convinced people of the reality and the power of evolution. It is the height of wishful thinking to claim that if he and his intellectual confreres simply stopped attacking religion, creationism would disappear.
Giberson levels another common criticism at evolutionary biologists. Many of us, he claims, see our science as a religion, a kind of Darwin-worship that purports to explain everything, including meaning, purpose, ethics, and religion itself: "The idea that science should be a religion on its own runs like a subterranean reservoir through the writing of these popularizers, gurgling beneath the surface and bubbling into view every time the conversation gets to the now-here-is-what-it-all-means phase." Yes, some scientists (and science writers) have gone overboard with evolutionary psychology, asserting that Darwinism can explain every facet of human behavior. But no serious scientist wants evolution to become anything like a religion, or even a source of ethics and values. That would mean abandoning our main tool for understanding nature: the resolution of empirical claims with empirical data. We do not have "faith" in Darwinism in the same way that others have faith in God, nor do we see Darwin as an unimpeachable authority like Pope Benedict XVI or the Ayatollah Khamenei. Indeed, since 1859 a fair number of Darwin's ideas have been disproven. Like all sciences, evolution differs from religion because it constantly tests its assumptions, and discards the ones that prove false.
III.
In Finding Darwin's God, his earlier book, Miller proclaimed a universal theism: "Remember, once again, that people of faith believe their God is active in the present world, where He works in concert with the naturalism of physics and chemistry." Giberson clearly agrees. And where do they find the hand of God in nature? Unsurprisingly, in the appearance of humans.
Giberson and Miller assert that the evolution of humans, or something very like them, was inevitable. Given the way that evolution works, they claim, it was certain that the animal kingdom would eventually work its way up to a species that was conscious, highly intelligent, and above all, capable of apprehending and worshipping its creator. This species did not have to look perfectly human, but it did have to have our refined mentality (call it "humanoid"). One of Miller's chapters is even titled "The World That Knew We Were Coming." Giberson notes that "capabilities like vision and intelligence are so valuable to organisms that many, if not most biologists believe they would probably arise under any normal evolutionary process.... So how can evolution be entirely random, if certain sophisticated end points are predictable?"
Reading this, many biologists will wonder how he can be so sure. After all, evolution is a contingent process. The way natural selection molds a species depends on unpredictable changes in climate, on random physical events such as meteor strikes or volcanic eruptions, on the occurrence of rare and random mutations, and on which species happen to be lucky enough to survive a mass extinction. If, for example, a large meteor had not struck Earth sixty-five million years ago, contributing to the extinction of the dinosaurs--and to the rise of the mammals they previously dominated--all mammals would probably still be small nocturnal insectivores, munching on crickets in the twilight.
Evolutionists long ago abandoned the notion that there is an inevitable evolutionary march toward greater complexity, a march that culminated in humans. Yes, the average complexity of all species has increased over the three-and-a-half billion years of evolution, but that is because life started out as a simple replicating molecule, and the only way to go from there is to become more complex. But now complexity is not always favored by natural selection. If you are a parasite, for instance, natural selection may make you less complex, because you can live off the exertions of another species. Tapeworms evolved from free-living worms, and during their evolution have lost their digestive system, their nervous system, and much of their reproductive apparatus. As I tell my students, they have become just absorptive bags of gonads, much like the students themselves. Yet tapeworms are superbly adapted for a parasitic way of life. It does not always pay to be smarter, either. For some years I had a pet skunk, who was lovable but dim. I mentioned this to my vet, who put me in my place: "Stupid? Hell, he's perfectly adapted for being a skunk!" Intelligence comes with a cost: you need to produce and to carry that extra brain matter, and to crank up your metabolism to support it. And sometimes this cost exceeds the genetic payoff. A smarter skunk might not be a fitter skunk.
To support the inevitability of humans, Giberson and Miller invoke the notion of evolutionary convergence. This idea is simple: species often adapt to similar environments by independently evolving similar features. Ichthyosaurs (ancient marine reptiles), porpoises, and fish all evolved independently in the water, and through natural selection all three acquired fins and a similar streamlined shape. Complex "camera eyes" evolved in both vertebrates and squid. Arctic animals such as polar bears, arctic hares, and snowy owls either are white or turn white in the winter, hiding them from predators or prey. Perhaps the most astonishing example of convergence is the similarity between some species of marsupial mammals in Australia and unrelated placental mammals that live elsewhere. The marsupial flying phalanger looks and acts just like the flying squirrel of the New World. Marsupial moles, with their reduced eyes and big burrowing claws, are dead ringers for our placental moles. Until its extinction in 1936, the remarkable thylacine, or Tasmanian wolf, looked and hunted like a placental wolf.
Convergence tells us something deep about evolution. There must be preexisting "niches," or ways of life, that call up similar evolutionary changes in unrelated species that adapt to them. That is, starting with different ancestors and fuelled by different mutations, natural selection can nonetheless mold bodies in very similar ways--so long as those changes improve survival and reproduction. There were niches in the sea for fish-eating mammals and reptiles, so porpoises and ichthyosaurs became streamlined. Animals in the Arctic improve their survival if they are white in the winter. And there must obviously be a niche for a small omnivorous mammal that glides from tree to tree. Convergence is one of the most impressive features of evolution, and it is common: there are hundreds of cases.
All it takes to argue for the inevitability of humanoids, then, is to claim that there was a "humanoid niche"--a way of life that required high intelligence and sophisticated self-consciousness--and that this niche remained unfilled until inevitably invaded by human ancestors. But was its occupation really inevitable? Miller is confident that it was:
But as life re-explored adaptive space, could we be certain that our niche would not be occupied? I would argue that we could be almost certain that it would be--that eventually evolution would produce an intelligent, self-aware, reflective creature endowed with a nervous system large enough to solve the very same questions we have, and capable of discovering the very process that produced it, the process of evolution.... Everything we know about evolution suggests that it could, sooner or later, get to that niche.
Miller and Giberson are forced to this view for a simple reason. If we cannot prove that humanoid evolution was inevitable, then the reconciliation of evolution and Christianity collapses. For if we really were the special object of God's creation, our evolution could not have been left to chance. (It may not be irrelevant that although the Catholic Church accepts most of Darwinism, it makes an official exception for the evolution of Homo sapiens, whose soul is said to have been created by God and inserted at some point into the human lineage.)
The difficulty is that most scientists do not share Miller's certainty. This is because evolution is not a repeatable experiment. We cannot replay the tape of life over and over to see if higher consciousness always crops up. In fact, there are good reasons for thinking that the evolution of humanoids was not only not inevitable, but was a priori improbable. Although convergences are striking features of evolution, there are at least as many failures of convergence. These failures are less striking because they involve species that are missing. Consider Australia again. Many types of mammals that evolved elsewhere have no equivalents among marsupials. There is no marsupial counterpart to a bat (that is, a flying mammal), or to giraffes and elephants (large mammals with long necks or noses that can browse on the leaves of trees). Most tellingly, Australia evolved no counterpart to primates, or any creature with primate-like intelligence. In fact, Australia has many unfilled niches--and hence many unfulfilled convergences, including that prized "humanoid" niche. If high intelligence was such a predictable result of evolution, why did it not evolve in Australia? Why did it arise only once, in Africa?
This raises another question. We recognize convergences because unrelated species evolve similar traits. In other words, the traits appear in more than one species. But sophisticated, self-aware intelligence is a singleton: it evolved just once, in a human ancestor. (Octopi and dolphins are also smart, but they do not have the stuff to reflect on their origins.) In contrast, eyes have evolved independently forty times, and white color in Arctic animals appeared several times. It is hard to make a convincing case for the evolutionary inevitability of a feature that arose only once. The elephant's trunk, a complex and sophisticated adaptation (it has over forty thousand muscles!), is also an evolutionary singleton. Yet you do not hear scientists arguing that evolution would inevitably fill the "elephant niche." Giberson and Miller proclaim the inevitability of humanoids for one reason only: Christianity demands it.
Finally, it is abundantly clear that the evolution of human intelligence was a contingent event: contingent on the drying out of the African forest and the development of grasslands, which enabled apes to leave the trees and walk on two legs. Indeed, to maintain that the evolution of humans was inevitable, you must also maintain that the evolution of apes was inevitable, that the evolution of primates was inevitable, that the rise of mammals was inevitable, and so on back through dozens of ancestors, all of whose appearances must be seen as inevitable. This produces a regress of increasing unlikelihood. In the end, the question of whether human-like creatures were inevitable can be answered only by admitting that we do not know--and adding that most scientific evidence suggests that they were not. Any other answer involves either wishful thinking or theology.
Miller opts for theology. Although his new book does not say how God ensured the arrival of Homo sapiens, Miller was more explicit in Finding Darwin's God. There he suggested that the indeterminacy of quantum mechanics allows God to intervene at the level of atoms, influencing events on a larger scale:
The indeterminate nature of quantum events would allow a clever and subtle God to influence events in ways that are profound, but scientifically undetectable to us. Those events could include the appearance of mutations, the activation of individual neurons in the brain, and even the survival of individual cells and organisms affected by the chance processes of radioactive decay.
In other words, God is a Mover of Electrons, deliberately keeping his incursions into nature so subtle that they're invisible. It is baffling that Miller, who comes up with the most technically astute arguments against irreducible complexity, can in the end wind up touting God's micro-editing of DNA. This argument is in fact identical to that of Michael Behe, the ID advocate against whom Miller testified in the Harrisburg trial. It is another God-of-the-gaps argument, except that this time the gaps are tiny.
Miller raises another argument also used by creationists and theists as proof of celestial design: the so-called "fine tuning of the universe." It turns out that the existence of a universe that permits life as we know it depends heavily on the size of certain constants in the laws of physics. If, for example, the charge of the electron were slightly different, or if the disparity in mass between a proton and a neutron were slightly larger, or if other constants varied by more than a few percent, the universe would differ in important ways. Stars would not live long enough to allow life to emerge and evolve, there would be no solar systems, and the universe would lack the elements and the complex chemistry necessary for building organisms. In other words, we inhabit what is called a "Goldilocks universe," where nature's laws are just right to allow life to evolve and to thrive. This observation is called "the anthropic principle."
At first glance, its explanation appears trivial. As Miller says, "Taking as a starting point the observation that you and I are alive, at least in the immediate present, it's obvious that we must live in a universe where life is possible. If we didn't, we wouldn't be here to talk about it. So, in a certain sense the fact that we live in a life-friendly universe merits little more than a big 'Duh.'" True. But this raises a deeper question: why do the constants of the universe just happen to have those life-promoting values? The answer given by creationists is that this is no accident: a beneficent God (or an intelligent designer) crafted those physical laws precisely so that somewhere in the universe intelligent life would evolve--life so intelligent that it could work out the laws of physics and, more important, apprehend their creator. This answer--known as the strong anthropic principle--is scientifically untestable, but it sounds so reasonable that it has become one of the biggest guns in the creationist arsenal. (It is important to grasp that anthropic principles concern the conditions required for the existence of any life, and say nothing about the inevitability of complex and intelligent life.)
Also, scientists have other explanations, ones based on reason rather than on faith. Perhaps some day, when we have a "theory of everything" that unifies all the forces of physics, we will see that this theory requires our universe to have the physical constants that we observe. Alternatively, there are intriguing "multiverse" theories that invoke the appearance of many universes, each with different physical laws; and we could have evolved only in one whose laws permit life. The physicist Lee Smolin has suggested a fascinating version of multiverse theory. Drawing a parallel with natural selection among organisms, Smolin proposed that physical constants of universes actually evolve by a type of "cosmological selection" among universes. It turns out that each black hole--and there are millions in our universe--might give rise to a new universe, and these new universes could have physical constants different from those of their ancestors. (This is analogous to mutation in biological evolution.) And universes with physical constants close to the ones we see today happen to be better at producing more black holes, which in turn produce more universes. (This resembles natural selection.) Eventually this process yields a population of universes enriched in those having just the right properties to produce stars (the source of black holes), planets, and life. Smolin's theory immensely raises the odds that life could appear.
The idea of multiple universes may seem like a desperate move--a Hail Mary thrown out by physicists who are repelled by religious explanations. But physics is full of ideas that are completely counterintuitive, and multiverse theories fall naturally out of long-standing ideas of physics. They represent physicists' attempts to give a naturalistic explanation for what others see as evidence of design. For many scientists, multiverses seem far more reasonable than the solipsistic assumption that our own universe with its 10,000,000,000, 000,000 planets was created just so a single species of mammal would evolve on one of them fourteen billion years later.
And yet Miller seems to favor the theological explanation, or at least gives the anthropic principle a theological spin:
The scientific insight that our very existence, through evolution, requires a universe of the very size, scale, and age that we see around us implies that the universe, in a certain sense, had us in mind from the very beginning.... If this universe was indeed primed for human life, then it is only fair to say, from a theist's point of view, that each of us is the result of a thought of God, despite the existence of natural processes that gave rise to us.
Miller equates the faith of religious believers with physicists' "faith" in a naturalistic explanation for physical laws:
Believers ... are right to remind skeptics and agnostics that one of their favored explanations for the nature of our existence involves an element of the imagination as wild as any tale in a sacred book: namely, the existence of countless parallel simultaneous universes with which we can never communicate and whose existence we cannot even test. Such belief also requires an extraordinary level of "faith" and the nonreligious would do well to admit as much.
Well, physicists are not ready to admit as much. Contrary to Miller's claim, the existence of multiverses does not require a leap of faith nearly as large as that of imagining a God. And some scientific explanations of the anthropic principle are testable. Indeed, a few predictions of Smolin's theory have already been confirmed, adding to its credibility. It may be wrong, but wait a decade and we will know a lot more about the anthropic principle. In the meantime, it is simply wrong to claim that proposing a provisional and testable scientific hypothesis--not a "belief"--is equivalent to religious faith.
IV.
The most common way to harmonize science and religion is to contend that they are different but complementary ways of understanding the world. That is, there are different "truths" offered by science and by religion that, taken together, answer every question about ourselves and the universe. Giberson explains:
I worry that scientific progress has bewitched us into thinking that there is nothing more to the world than what we can understand.... Science has perhaps gotten as much from the materialistic paradigm as it is going to get. Matter in motion, so elegantly described by Newton and those who followed him, may not be the best way to understand the world.... I think there are ways, though, that we can begin to look at the creation and understand that the scientific view is not all-encompassing. Science provides a partial set of insights that, though powerful, don't answer all the questions.
Usually the questions said to fall outside science include those of meaning, purpose, and morality. In one of his last books, Rocks of Ages: Science and Religion in the Fullness of Life, Stephen Jay Gould called this reconciliation NOMA, for "non-overlapping magisteria": "Science tries to document the factual character of the natural world, and to develop theories that coordinate and explain these facts. Religion, on the other hand, operates in the equally important, but utterly different, realm of human purposes, meanings and values--subjects that the factual domain of science might illuminate, but can never resolve." Gould offered this not as a utopian vision, but as an actual description of why the realms of science and religion do not overlap. As a solution to our perplexity, this is no good. In a spirit of pluralism it ignores the obvious conflicts between them. Gould salvaged his idea by redefining his terms--the old trick, again--writing off creationism as "improper religion" and defining secular sources of ethics, meanings and values as being "fundamentally religious."
The NOMA solution falls apart for other reasons. Despite Gould's claims to the contrary, supernatural phenomena are not completely beyond the realm of science. All scientists can think of certain observations that would convince them of the existence of God or supernatural forces. In a letter to the American biologist Asa Gray, Darwin noted:
Your question what would convince me of Design is a poser. If I saw an angel come down to teach us good, and I was convinced from others seeing him that I was not mad, I should believe in design. If I could be convinced thoroughly that life and mind was in an unknown way a function of other imponderable force, I should be convinced. If man was made of brass or iron and no way connected with any other organism which had ever lived, I should perhaps be convinced. But this is childish writing.
Similarly, if a nine-hundred-foot-tall Jesus appeared to the residents of New York City, as he supposedly did to the evangelist Oral Roberts in Oklahoma, and this apparition were convincingly documented, most scientists would fall on their knees with hosannas.
Scientists do indeed rely on materialistic explanations of nature, but it is important to understand that this is not an a priori philosophical commitment. It is, rather, the best research strategy that has evolved from our long-standing experience with nature. There was a time when God was a part of science. Newton thought that his research on physics helped clarify God's celestial plan. So did Linnaeus, the Swedish botanist who devised our current scheme for organizing species. But over centuries of research we have learned that the idea "God did it" has never advanced our understanding of nature an iota, and that is why we abandoned it. In the early 1800s, the French mathematician Laplace presented Napoleon with a copy of his great five-volume work on the solar system, the Mechanique Celeste. Aware that the books contained no mention of God, Napoleon taunted him, "Monsieur Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator." Laplace answered, famously and brusquely: "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothese-la," "I have had no need of that hypothesis." And scientists have not needed it since.
In a common error, Giberson confuses the strategic materialism of science with an absolute commitment to a philosophy of materialism. He claims that "if the face of Jesus appeared on Mount Rushmore with God's name signed underneath, geologists would still have to explain this curious phenomenon as an improbable byproduct of erosion and tectonics." Nonsense. There are so many phenomena that would raise the specter of God or other supernatural forces: faith healers could restore lost vision, the cancers of only good people could go into remission, the dead could return to life, we could find meaningful DNA sequences that could have been placed in our genome only by an intelligent agent, angels could appear in the sky. The fact that no such things have ever been scientifically documented gives us added confidence that we are right to stick with natural explanations for nature. And it explains why so many scientists, who have learned to disregard God as an explanation, have also discarded him as a possibility.
This brings us to the second reason why Gould's explanation does not cohere. It is all well and good to say, as he did, that religion makes no claims about nature, but in practice it is not true. Out of the thousands of religious sects on this planet, only a handful do not have adherents or dogmas that make empirical claims about the world. Here are some. Jesus was born of a virgin and, after crucifixion, came back to life. After Mary's death, her physical body was transported to heaven. The Prophet Mohammed ascended to heaven on the back of a white horse. After death, every being is reincarnated in some other form. The god Brahma emerged from a lotus flower that grew from the navel of Vishnu, and, on Vishnu's command, created the universe. God listens and responds to prayer. Sea mammals come from the chopped-off fingers of the Inuit god Sedna. You will gain wealth and happiness if you send money to the ministry of Creflo Dollar.
Those are the dogmas. To see what the faithful actually believe, consider that more than 60 percent of Americans believe in miracles, the virgin birth of Jesus, his divinity and resurrection (Giberson and Miller are among them), the survival of the soul after death, and the existence of Hell and Satan. Regardless of what liberal theologians claim, most of us are not deists or Unitarians. And if you think that Americans see the Bible as mere metaphorical poetry, I invite you to visit a gospel church in Wasilla, Alaska, or on the South Side of Chicago.
Many religious beliefs can be scientifically tested, at least in principle. Faith-based healing is particularly suited to these tests. Yet time after time it has failed them. After seeing the objects cast off by visitors to Lourdes, Anatole France is said to have remarked, "All those canes, braces and crutches, and not a single glass eye, wooden leg, or toupee!" If God can cure cancer, why is He impotent before missing eyes and limbs? Recent scientific studies of intercessory prayer--when the sick do not know whether they are being prayed for--have not shown the slightest evidence that it works. Nor do we have scientifically rigorous demonstrations of miracles, despite the Vatican's requirement that two miracles be proven for canonizing every saint. Holy relics, such as the Shroud of Turin, have turned out to be clever fakes. There is no corroborated evidence that anyone has spoken from beyond the grave. And what about the ancient "foundational" miracles, such as those supposedly performed by Christ, Buddha, and Mohammed? We were not there when they happened, so we cannot test them. But at least we can apply the same standards to these as we do to other Biblical or Koranic claims.
Like Giberson, Miller rejects a literal interpretation of the Bible. After discussing the fossil record, he contends that "a literal reading of the Genesis story is simply not scientifically valid," concluding that "theology does not and cannot pretend to be scientific, but it can require of itself that it be consistent with science and conversant with it." But this leads to a conundrum. Why reject the story of creation and Noah's Ark because we know that animals evolved, but nevertheless accept the reality of the virgin birth and resurrection of Christ, which are equally at odds with science? After all, biological research suggests the impossibility of human females reproducing asexually, or of anyone reawakening three days after death. Clearly Miller and Giberson, along with many Americans, have some theological views that are not "consistent with science."
What, then, is the nature of "religious truth" that supposedly complements "scientific truth"? The first thing we should ask is whether, and in what sense, religious assertions are "truths." Truth implies the possibility of falsity, so we should have a way of knowing whether religious truths are wrong. But unlike scientific truths, religious ones differ from person to person and sect to sect. And we all know of clear contradictions between the "truths" of different faiths. Christianity unambiguously claims the divinity of Jesus, and many assert that the road to salvation absolutely depends on accepting this claim, whereas the Koran states flatly that anyone accepting the divinity of Jesus will spend eternity in hell. These claims cannot both be "true," at least in a way that does not require intellectual contortions.
Assertions about God's nature also differ among faiths. Giberson explains, for example, that "centuries of Christian reflection on the nature of God have highlighted various characteristics of God: justice, love, goodness, holiness, grace, sovereignty, and so forth." But to those of other faiths, God can be vengeful, as Yahweh was in the Old Testament. Jews cannot imagine an incarnated God, the Word made flesh. Hindus, like ancient Greeks, accept multiple gods with different personalities. To deists, god is apathetic, while many theologians in all the monotheistic faiths claim that we cannot know anything about God's attributes. So which of these many characterizations is "true"? Anything touted as a "truth" must come with a method for being disproved--a method that does not depend on personal revelation. After all, thousands of people have had delusional revelations of "truth" with horrifying consequences.
Perhaps what we mean by "religious truths" are "moral truths," such as "Thou shalt not commit adultery." These rules are not subject to empirical testing, but they do comport with our reasoned sense of right and wrong. But for almost every "truth" such as this there is another one believed with equal sincerity, such as "Those who commit adultery should be stoned to death." This dictum appears not only in Islamic religious law, but in the Old Testament as well. (It seems wrong, by the way, to call these truths religious. Beginning with Plato, philosophers have argued convincingly that our ethics come not from religion, but from a secular morality that develops in intelligent, socially interacting creatures, and is simply inserted into religion for convenient citation.)
In the end, then, there is a fundamental distinction between scientific truths and religious truths, however you construe them. The difference rests on how you answer one question: how would I know if I were wrong? Darwin's colleague Thomas Huxley remarked that "science is organized common sense where many a beautiful theory was killed by an ugly fact." As with any scientific theory, there are potentially many ugly facts that could kill Darwinism. Two of these would be the presence of human fossils and dinosaur fossils side by side, and the existence of adaptations in one species that benefit only a different species. Since no such facts have ever appeared, we continue to accept evolution as true. Religious beliefs, on the other hand, are immune to ugly facts. Indeed, they are maintained in the face of ugly facts, such as the impotence of prayer. There is no way to adjudicate between conflicting religious truths as we can between competing scientific explanations. Most scientists can tell you what observations would convince them of God's existence, but I have never met a religious person who could tell me what would disprove it. And what could possibly convince people to abandon their belief that the deity is, as Giberson asserts, good, loving, and just? If the Holocaust cannot do it, then nothing will.
V.
Giberson and Miller are thoughtful men of good will. Reading them, you get a sense of conviction and sincerity absent from the writings of many creationists, who blatantly deny the most obvious facts about nature in the cause of their faith. Both of their books are worth reading: Giberson for the history of the creation/ evolution debate, and Miller for his lucid arguments against intelligent design. Yet in the end they fail to achieve their longed-for union between faith and evolution. And they fail for the same reason that people always fail: a true harmony between science and religion requires either doing away with most people's religion and replacing it with a watered-down deism, or polluting science with unnecessary, untestable, and unreasonable spiritual claims.
Although Giberson and Miller see themselves as opponents of creationism, in devising a compatibility between science and religion they finally converge with their opponents. In fact, they exhibit at least three of the four distinguishing traits of creationists: belief in God, the intervention of God in nature, and a special role for God in the evolution of humans. They may even show the fourth trait, a belief in irreducible complexity, by proposing that a soul could not have evolved, but was inserted by God.
Giberson, while abjuring a hands-on God, nevertheless sees deliberate design in our Earth.
Why is [bird] song so pleasant to hear? Why, for example, does almost every scene of undeveloped nature seem so beautiful, from mountain lakes to rolling prairies? If the evolution of our species was driven entirely by survival considerations, then where did we get our rich sense of natural aesthetics?... There is an artistic character to nature that has always struck me as redundant from a purely scientific point of view.... I am attracted to the idea that God's signature is not on the engineering marvels of the natural world, but rather on its marvelous creativity and aesthetic depth. Scientists are not supposed to talk about God this way, for it raises questions that can't be answered.
This is aesthetic design rather than intelligent design, but it is still design. And it ignores scientific explanations, such as E.O. Wilson's "biophilia" theory, which suggests that we evolved to find places like lakes and prairies attractive simply because they provided our ancestors with food and safety.
And neither Miller nor Giberson tell us what circumstances would make them abandon their belief in a personal God. Giberson, in fact, asserts that he cannot be wrong:
As a believer in God, I am convinced in advance that the world is not an accident and that, in some mysterious way, our existence is an "expected" result. No data would dispel it. Thus, I do not look at natural history as a source of data to determine whether or not the world has purpose. Rather, my approach is to anticipate that the facts of natural history will be compatible with the purpose and meaning I have encountered elsewhere. And my understanding of science does nothing to dissuade me from this conviction.
This is creationist-speak, pure and simple. No real scientist would say that his theories are immune to disproof. And so Giberson's personal reconciliation, however edifying it is to him spiritually, must be intellectually unconvincing to the rest of us.
Besides his "aesthetic design" argument, Giberson offers another reason for his faith--we might call it the argument from convenience.
As a purely practical matter, I have compelling reasons to believe in God. My parents are deeply committed Christians and would be devastated, were I to reject my faith. My wife and children believe in God, and we attend church together regularly. Most of my friends are believers. I have a job I love at a Christian college that would be forced to dismiss me if I were to reject the faith that underpins the mission of the college. Abandoning belief in God would be disruptive, sending my life completely off the rails.
This touching confession reveals the sad irrationality of the whole enterprise--the demoralizing conflict between a personal need to believe and a desperation to show that this primal need is perfectly compatible with science.
It would appear, then, that one cannot be coherently religious and scientific at the same time. That alleged synthesis requires that with one part of your brain you accept only those things that are tested and supported by agreed-upon evidence, logic, and reason, while with the other part of your brain you accept things that are unsupportable or even falsified. In other words, the price of philosophical harmony is cognitive dissonance. Accepting both science and conventional faith leaves you with a double standard: rational on the origin of blood clotting, irrational on the Resurrection; rational on dinosaurs, irrational on virgin births. Without good cause, Giberson and Miller pick and choose what they believe. At least the young-earth creationists are consistent, for they embrace supernatural causation across the board. With his usual flair, the physicist Richard Feynman characterized this difference: "Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool." With religion, there is just no way to know if you are fooling yourself.
So the most important conflict--the one ignored by Giberson and Miller--is not between religion and science. It is between religion and secular reason. Secular reason includes science, but also embraces moral and political philosophy, mathematics, logic, history, journalism, and social science--every area that requires us to have good reasons for what we believe. Now I am not claiming that all faith is incompatible with science and secular reason--only those faiths whose claims about the nature of the universe flatly contradict scientific observations. Pantheism and some forms of Buddhism seem to pass the test. But the vast majority of the faithful--those 90 percent of Americans who believe in a personal God, most Muslims, Jews, and Hindus, and adherents to hundreds of other faiths--fall into the "incompatible" category.
Unfortunately, some theologians with a deistic bent seem to think that they speak for all the faithful. These were the critics who denounced Dawkins and his colleagues for not grappling with every subtle theological argument for the existence of God, for not steeping themselves in the complex history of theology. Dawkins in particular was attacked for writing The God Delusion as a "middlebrow" book. But that misses the point. He did indeed produce a middlebrow book, but precisely because he was discussing religion as it is lived and practiced by real people. The reason that many liberal theologians see religion and evolution as harmonious is that they espouse a theology not only alien but unrecognizable as religion to most Americans.
Statistics support this incompatibility. For example, among those thirty-four countries surveyed, we see a statistically strong negative relationship between the degree of faith and the acceptance of evolution. Countries such as Denmark, France, Japan and the United Kingdom have a high acceptance of Darwinism and low belief in God, while the situation is reversed in countries like Bulgaria, Latvia, Turkey, and the United States. And within America, scientists as a group are considerably less religious than non-scientists. This is not say that such statistics can determine the outcome of a philosophical debate. Nor does it matter whether these statistics mean that accepting science erodes religious faith, or that having faith erodes acceptance of science. (Both processes must surely occur.) What they do show, though, is that people have trouble accepting both at the same time. And given the substance of these respective worldviews, this is no surprise.
This disharmony is a dirty little secret in scientific circles. It is in our personal and professional interest to proclaim that science and religion are perfectly harmonious. After all, we want our grants funded by the government, and our schoolchildren exposed to real science instead of creationism. Liberal religious people have been important allies in our struggle against creationism, and it is not pleasant to alienate them by declaring how we feel. This is why, as a tactical matter, groups such as the National Academy of Sciences claim that religion and science do not conflict. But their main evidence--the existence of religious scientists--is wearing thin as scientists grow ever more vociferous about their lack of faith. Now Darwin Year is upon us, and we can expect more books like those by Kenneth Miller and Karl Giberson. Attempts to reconcile God and evolution keep rolling off the intellectual assembly line. It never stops, because the reconciliation never works.
Jerry A. Coyne is a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolution at the University of Chicago. His new book, Why Evolution Is True, has just been published by Viking.
114 comments
Bravo, Professor Coyne, for so incisively illuminating why truth cannot coexist with determined ignorance.
- Mandy
January 16, 2009 at 6:19pm
"Liberal religious people have been important allies in our struggle against creationism, and it is not pleasant to alienate them by declaring how we feel." Or, more precisely- ... declaring how we think.
- Burk Braun
January 21, 2009 at 8:24pm
This is the best article on this topic I have ever read. It doesn't leave out any arguments or crucial issues and yet does not belabor sensitive points. EXCELLENT!
- Eldon Tyrell
January 23, 2009 at 5:22pm
While science is not unified, there is only one "science" - any attempt to get science and religion to coexist begs the question: "which religion?" Since religions are all both perfectly right and mutually contradictory, I submit that the bulk of the problem of coexistence falls to the faithful. And we've seen what a great job they do of sorting that out. The idea that science somehow needs to coexist with a bunch of myths that scream "the other guys are WRONG!" is really silly. On one hand you have evidence and intellectual consistency, and on the other you have a bunch of nonsense that is clearly fabricated out of whole cloth. Isn't it obvious enough?
- Marcus Ranum
January 23, 2009 at 6:07pm
I'm very proud of The New Republic for printing this article (I'm going to go out and buy a copy). I also own a copy of Coyne's excellent new book, "Why Evolution is True" (buy it!). This well-reasoned article stands in stark contrast to the obscurantist article published by a while back as a hit job on the "new atheists."
- Dan B
January 23, 2009 at 6:30pm
An extremely well conceived article, one that is hard to refute. Each of us has his own view of biological life and spiritual life. I add a new thought. One preacher, a woman, not long after Darwin’s 1859 book, stated that as far as describing the physical man, Darwin was right. It was Mary Baker Eddy who planned on bringing Christianity and Science together in what she finally termed “Christian Science.” An overemphasis on healing by prayer eclipsed the concept she had of bringing the best in science to bear on Christianity. Mary Baker Eddy also allowed for consideration of future changes to Darwin’s theory of evolution as science found out more. Mrs. Eddy’s thinking was that the physical man and the spiritual man as God’s image are two separate realities. See "Christian Science and It’s Encounter with American Culture" by Robert Peel, page 91.
- Bill Sweet--amateur scientist
January 23, 2009 at 9:56pm
Wow. I never comment on articles I read online, but I had to in this case. This is quite simply the most well-reason, thoughtful articles I have ever read from TNR. If this publication had more writing like this, I just might subscribe!
- Matt
January 23, 2009 at 10:08pm
This is an excellent article, but its most important points will, ironically, be lost on those whose brains have been infected by religion and the immense intellectual dishonesty required to maintain it.
- Jay Ballou
January 24, 2009 at 4:13am
A wonderful article. Mr. Coyne, you nailed it. This is the most cogent description of the disparity between real reason and real truth and that which is held up as religous truth.
- Richard Stoecker
January 24, 2009 at 6:35am
Wouldn't some theists simply argue that God created a Universe in which the rise of Man was incorporated in the blue print and that so far as He was concerned it was inevitable, however likely or unlikely that might seem to humans themselves? He is God after all.
- Pause
January 24, 2009 at 5:12pm
Mr. Coyne does not appear to understand the meaning of the term "cognitive dissonance."
- William Hillbright
January 24, 2009 at 6:09pm
This is an interesting article, but it is seriously flawed. Coyne uses the word ‘science’ 71 times and ‘scientific’ 45 times, yet makes no effort to rigorously and precisely define what science is. As a result, his arguments about the ability of “science” to detect the existence of God are confused. As just one example, Coyne writes, “if a nine-hundred-foot-tall Jesus appeared to the residents of New York City, as he supposedly did to the evangelist Oral Roberts in Oklahoma, and this apparition were convincingly documented, most scientists would fall on their knees with hosannas..” Yes, but this would NOT be science. Just because a bunch of scientists may observe something does not mean they are doing science. Science is a way of knowing that is built around a *method* and an observation that you can trust is not, by itself, science. This confusion about science has him thinking that a scientist cannot accept “the reality of the virgin birth and resurrection of Christ” as he thinks they are “at odds with science.” Really? Then why hasn’t Coyne published any peer reviewed scientific papers that falsify the virgin birth or resurrection? Simply take the claim and put it in a scientifically testable form – “If Jesus was born of a virgin, then today we would expect to detect…..” Now, do the experiment instead of writing book reviews. Oh, but wait: “biological research suggests the impossibility of human females reproducing asexually.” That’s cheating. Long before there was any biological research, Christians have always recognized these events as one-time miracles. That’s precisely why they are considered with such reverence. Unless Coyne designs and conducts an experiment to determine if these one-time miracles are true, he’s just engaging in armchair philosophy that sounds, well, sciencey.
- michael
January 24, 2009 at 7:34pm
An excellent article that goes to the heart of the conflict between religion and reason
- Bunc
January 26, 2009 at 6:02am
Coyne relies upon popular opinion, measured through surveys, to define “God.” To attain that definition he relies upon a non-scientific method and thus utilizes a superficial and supercilious definition of “God.” In doing this, he joins a well-known group of contemporary writers who lampoon religion based on an antiquated and inadequate understanding of God. Unless a person casts aside all conflicting data and blindly steps into the circle of faith, the viewpoints advocated by evangelical monotheists make no sense and will become within this century, in spite of their current popularity, quaint anachronisms to which few subscribe. Popular opinion never defines truth, even when it comes to the concept of “God.” Instead of engaging Miller and Giberson, Coyne would have found more substance had he turned to a theologian like the Rev. Dr. Keith Ward, Professor of Divinity Emeritus at Oxford University, for a dialogue partner. In his book, The Big Questions in Science and Faith, Ward charts the intersections of science and religion, drawing from the best modern insights in both disciplines, to suggest points of commonality and conflict. Ward, unlike Miller and Giberson, also presents a diversity of religious views; globalization underscores the growing irrelevance of narrow and exclusivist religious viewpoints that speak from only one faith tradition. Of course, Ward’s ideas do not allow simplistic conclusions about the distance between and irreconcilability of faith and science as do the ideas of Miller and Giberson. Coyne’s article does emphasize that until believers are willing to take their faith seriously in the twenty-first century and do the hard intellectual work of updating anachronistic theological concepts framed and undergirded by long-abandoned worldviews, getting
- George Clifford
January 26, 2009 at 11:24am
This article offered many arguments for why science cannot co-exist with some religions, but did not prove that science can't co-exist with an intellectually rigorous religion. The Catholic Church has no doctrinal problem with evolution. It has also produced thinkers like Aquinas who presented arguments that belief in God, although it cannot be proven, can be show to be compatible with the revelations of natural science. If evolution were somehow mutually exclusive with God, and we had our evidence that evolution happens, then religion would have a problem. But that's not the case. This article seems to come down to saying "Science can't coexist with faith because some faithful people can't reconcile their religious beliefs with science." OK, but what about the ones whose religious beliefs do NOT conflict with science?
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January 27, 2009 at 12:31am
Michael, When Coyne talks about science he's talking about evaluating ideas using evidence and observation. Science is applied rationality. Religion/spiritualism do the exact opposite. They ask the believer to suspend rationality in favor of some "truth." The costs of irrational thinking far outweigh the benefits and we'd be far better off without it.
- Lycosid
January 27, 2009 at 7:29am
George Clifford, The "sophisticated theology" you seem to be arguing for has no observable effect on the cosmos. While this does make your god untestable, it also means it is imaginary. If reason is unconvincing, would you trust any of the Middle East's present inhabitants to record divine truth? They were far worse 2000 years ago. Just give it up.
- Lycosid
January 27, 2009 at 7:34am
Prof. Coyne makes the common mistake of reducing rationality to the methods of the natural sciences. However, there are lots of things we know through methods that cannot be reduced to repeatable experiments/observations. The fact that he never had any religious experience does not authorize him to assume that nobody else ever did. But the truly lame part of the essay is when he denies that some people turn evolutionism into a religion. Sure, that's true in the narrow sense of the word "religion." But it is obvious to any intelligent observer that lots of people extrapolate from biology into philosophy, shifting from evolutionism as a scientific explanation for the evolution of animal species to Darwinism as a comprehensive explanation of the existence of the world and the meaning (or lack thereof) of human life. Like Coyne himself does, for instance!
- Carlo
January 27, 2009 at 8:24am
Faith in God and Darwinian CAN be reconciled by realizing and expressing the fact that the two represent two different domains of knowledge and logic, each important to peoples' decisions and belief. Science needs to be left alone to pursue its goals without hinderance by faith ("scientific" creationism; "intelligent design") But the value of faith also needs to be recognized and left to its own without intrusion by science (e.g. socio-biology's claims.) See my chapter "The need for science the need for faith" and the conclusions in Richard H. Robbins and Mark Nathan Cohen, "Darwin and the bible" Pearson 2009
- Mark Nathan Cohen
January 27, 2009 at 9:51am
I'm curious; why do secular folks feel it's so important to debunk and ridicule religious belief?
- numerian
January 27, 2009 at 12:07pm
Of course, there is no conflict, as religion and science address different things. Truth? Not possible to discern, except in a very narrow sense. Read David Hume, the monographs of Kurt Goedel and Alan Turing and realize that it is mathematically impossible to obtain metaphysical truth regardiong God; it is a matter of faith alone and not rational. Science simply does not address the metaphysical and does not concern itself with matters religious; whereof you cannot speak, therefore you must be silent (apologies to Wittgenstein if the quote is a bit off.) Therefore, the effort seems a fools errand. Sorry professor, but you are preaching to the choir.
- Steven Marshall
January 27, 2009 at 12:43pm
Might as well worship Zeus for all the good it will do. "How many are your deeds, though hidden from sight. O sole God without equal ! You made the Earth as You desired, You alone. With people, cattle, and all creatures. With everything upon Earth that walks on legs, and all that is on high and flies with its wings. When You rise, You make all arms firm for the King, every leg is on the move since You founded the Earth, You rouse them for your son, who emerged from your body." Hymn to Aten - from the walls at Amarna, 1350 b. c.
- toritto
January 27, 2009 at 12:57pm
There simply is no middle ground between true monotheistic faith and science. To pretend otherwise is simply dishonest. Science is best defined as a process for gaining understanding of your surroundings. That understanding must be mutable--if new evidence comes in, the honest scientist must examine it honestly and accept it if it passes rational scrutiny. A person of true faith will view (MUST view) such a change in a core belief as a betrayal of faith. If new evidence comes to light, the true believer must deny it or evade it, doing the rhetorical equivalent of putting fingers in his ears and singing LaLaLaLa to drown it out. The true believer already has all the answers, so new answers must be avoided at all costs. The only way around this contradiction is the "separate spheres" argument, where you define religion in terms of the infinite unknown. A more honest description of this argument is "religion begins where actual knowledge ends". This has been untenable for several centuries now. Since the frontiers of actual knowledge are advancing all the time, this is a philosophy of despair. Religious beliefs will be in a state of constant retreat forever. Somehow, I don't think that defining religion as basically equivalent to igrorance (carefully maintained ignorance at that) is going to be very satisfying to the people who look to their religious beliefs for comfort.
- Gardiner Cross
January 27, 2009 at 1:43pm
Hidden in this longest review are peculiar misunderstandings and somewhow deragotory statements reflecting the factual John Watyne mentality that according to Dr Coyne has propelled the 'american mind" to the cusp of scientific achievement, worldwide (as if there were scientists somewhere else in the "multiverses') and I assume Dr Coyne owns' endeavour. Point in fact: "...dismal thirty-third just above Turkey"..just above Turkey? a belated judgement on Turkey's national psyche? further: what is a die-hard Darwinist? "scientific" John Waynes-?neither Dennett nor Dawkins are scientists.?..it seems that the John Wayne metaphor works well..more: the "empirical nature of science contradicts the revelatory nature of faith"..im puzzled by this illogical statement. They are, as SJ Gould correctly asserted non-overlapping magisteria and cant be reconciled..and it coheres, contrary to Dr Coyne analysis: religion does not claim about nature, it cant. And finally " Richard Dawkins who, more than anyone else has convinced people of the reality and power of evolution.." where does Dr Coyne get his data from? NOBODY else more than Dawkins has done so much to alienate people from the reality and power of evolution, maybe except from Dennett...Because Dawkins and Dennett are John Waynes? At least Dr Coyne didnt use a Reagan metaphor...gasp..
- Roberto
January 27, 2009 at 3:03pm
I agree that this was an excellent article. 3 comments: 1. We believers (I won't deny it) have to accept the clear contradiction of some *material* claims of faith with what we also know how orthodox science speaks to these same claims. And we should also accept that *only* the accepted science should be taught in a science class. Resurrection of human beings after 3 days should never be a topic (or even a note) in a physiology book or course. 2. Coyne does not define "Anthropic Principle" correctly in his use of the term. "Fine-tuned universe" (that it *is* "fine-tuned" at all may be debated) is the *observation* and "Anthropic Principle" is the (or *an*) explanation of the observation. The simplest wording of the AP I have seen is simply: "Conditions that are observed in the universe must allow the observer to exist." It is mostly a useful tautology and its first use was to explain the "Dicke coincidences", why we observe the Universe is about 10 billion years old rather than 100 million or a trillion years old. And it works in that case. At one time the Universe *was* 100 million years and some day it could very well make it to a trillion years. But in either case it will be a very different universe with either way too may undeveloped stars and systems or with burned out systems (and perhaps, thermodynamic "heat death"), neither particularly friendly to carbon life. So, if one would compare that to shuffling the deck and drawing an Ace of Spades (the lucky card that results in life), the AP works. Eventually, if you do it a zillion times, there will be a time that the deck gets shuffled and out pops the Ace of Spades, life evolves and only in such a universe will there be folks like us to ask "how did that happen?". It also works with a Multiverse theory (and "multiverse" is singular, it's the myriad "universes" inside that are plural). It's only in universes that have these 26 (or so) Fundamental constants just right that will have observers beholding such lucky coincidences. The other universes will go utterly unnoticed. But, whether it's Smolin's version of many universes inside of various black holes, or other versions of the theory, it's untestable. Unfalsifiable. That's what the meaning of "Observable universe" is. Just as we will never build a God-measuring device or experiment, we will also never build a device to measure *anything* inside a black hole (no radiation or anything else escapes) nor anything from some parallel universe outside of our observable universe. To base a theory of existence on such an unfalsifiable foundation is every bit a matter of faith as it is to base it on the existence of God.
- robert bristow-johnson
January 27, 2009 at 6:41pm
True science and true religion are united in their search for the truth. Science is not for its own sake as many scientists are wont to think. The predicted models of the future of the universe based on the theories must still match reality ... same for true religion. The real problem is practioners on both sides seem to have forgotten that their credibility is at stake. That said, know that true faith is the source of true reason! True faith is not an end but a means to an end. Part of that end is the knowledge of the truth i.e true reason ... true models of reality that are able to account for the deepest complexities of our universe and of our human experience. The best scientists should be men and women of faith. Can't wait to see the face of the 'scientists' when the Son of God appears as He surely will!
- fogman
January 27, 2009 at 7:03pm
I'd like to see more of the "secular reason" to which Coyne refers. He seems to be saying that secular philosophy, secular history, secular ethics, etc. involve giving arguments for your positions, whereas religious belief rests on experience alone. But in my experience, religious people often give historical or philosophical reasons for their belief, whereas e.g. secular ethicists often don't.
- Leon Di Stefano
January 27, 2009 at 7:06pm
Regarding Millers' aesthetic argument for Theism-- I find it nothing short of bizarre in the light of the very different aesthetic take on nature common just a few centuries ago, according to which the irregularities of the natural world are downright ugly (see, for instance, Burnet's Sacred Theory of the Earth). The romantics distinguished themselves from their predecessors on this issue, asserting the beauty of natural scenery.
- Bryson Brown
January 27, 2009 at 8:08pm
Michael, you are asking way too much of the author here. It isn't up to Coyne to prove that a 'miracle' supposedly occurring 20 centuries ago didn't actually occur. The burden of proof (in any scientific methodology) rests on those who make extraordinary claims such as (human) virgin birth or resurrection! We have every reason (as Hume insisted) to believe such things simply don't happen.
- Bryson Brown
January 27, 2009 at 8:16pm
Excellent review. A couple of points: 1. Epistemological naturalism was not a late emerging consensus in science but an axiomatic position in natural philosophy dating back to at least Aderlard of Bath in the early 12th century; ie natural philosophy was defined as the explanation of the natural world as the effects of natural causes. This is important because from then to now, this axiom of science did not exclude the domain of theology, whose role was to elucidate (the religious) meaning of experience. Adelard's own example was the rainbow, which (theologically) was a sign from God to Noah (the why) but also had to have a scientific explanation as a natural phenonemon (the how). This position is strikingly similar to Gould's NOMA (which is therefore thoroughly historically orthodox) but at odds with both theistic scientists and New Atheists such as yourself and Dawkins. My own position is also orthodox, with the important addition that traditional theology (as a quest for meaning) is dying of internal hemorrhage as a result of its collision with modernity. The result is that in those countries where secularism has surged, answers to "meaning" questions have more in common with Yoda than Jesus; a diffuse pantheism is claiming the territory of text-based, improbable dogma. [second point in next post]
- John Cozijn
January 27, 2009 at 9:00pm
2. It would seem somewhat remiss to discuss the Christian convergence argument without mentioning Simon Conway Morris, who has spent the past decade mining this theme for theism. The opening has been created by a lack of theoretical work and rigour by mainstream biology in this fascinating area. It seems to me that using the *same term* to describe both the filling of similar ecological niches by unrelated lineages (eg auks and penguins, thylacines and wolves) and the emergence of functionally similar structures (the classic cephalopod and vertabrate eye) in non-similar lineages is a muddle. The theist argument for the "inevitability" of humanoids relies on the latter, which is not uselfully analysed via the concept of "niches". Now what theists are really interested in is not tool-making or cultural tranmission but symbolic thought -- allowing for the contemplation of god(s) -- as if this capacity was somehow analogous to eyes, wings or fins, which *are* empirically verifiable convergent structures. But convergence in this sense requires at least two occurences for the argument to even get off the ground, and this is where Conway Morris and his co-thinkers are well and truly stranded. Worse (for them), it is almost certain that the capacity for symbolic logic is a true spandrel! Given the appeal of the "humanity was inevitable" argument among even secular thinkers, clarifying our theoretical and empirical work on this would seem to be a priority.
- John Cozijn
January 27, 2009 at 10:47pm
"If Jesus was born of a virgin, then today we would expect to detect..." um...we would expect to detect evidence of at least one other instance of a human being born of a virgin...wait! Perhaps Jesus was a clone...or Mary was artificially inseminated...
- porkido
January 28, 2009 at 12:48am
I'm afraid I don't agree with Coyne's conclusions and neither do many of his colleagues in evolutionary biology. By way of illustration I recently read an essay by Robert A Foley called 'The illusion of purpose in Evolution'. He is highly critical of any notions of 'progress'', 'design', 'purpose' etc. It is a very dry stubbornly Neo-Darwinian account of Human Evolution. Yet he concludes: "Rather the adaptive process which is driven by selection does have some law like properties that may well - under the right circumstances - lead to more purposive behaviour as a means of increasing or coping with complex adaptive integration and greater complexity and lead to contained directional trends. These characteristics can be said to give evolution a repetitive and, hence, to some extent. inevitable pattern....The final conclusion I would draw is that evolution on other planets - or a rerun of evolution on this one - will lead to many similarities because of the law-like nature of these processes...In a distribution of intelligences in the universe, or on a sample of one, we might speculate that conscious, purpose driven intelligence represents the mode" In Coyne's essay he says: "Giberson and Miller proclaim the inevitability of humanoids for one reason only: Christianity demands it...In the end, the question of whether human-like creatures were inevitable can be answered only by admitting that we do not know--and adding that most scientific evidence suggests that they were not. Any other answer involves either wishful thinking or theology" What's Robert A Foley's excuse then?; after all he is a staunch atheist with far more in common with Coyne than someone like Conway Morris. The reasons for his conclusion are fundamentally Darwinian. I think the way the research is pointing is towards contingency but within certain constraints which make the evolution of concious, purpose driven intelligence an evolutionary inevitability given the right conditions. That isn't a religious conclusion, it is an inference from the available evidence. The section of Coyne's article on the fine-tuning argument is very poor indeed. I don’t know which two elements of Smolin’s theory have been confirmed (perhaps that a) we observe black holes and b) it looks like a good way of getting rid of God). The same problems remain. Firstly the formational properties of the universes which are capable of evolving need to be roughly the same; we need to assume ingenious components such as general relativity and quantum theory as givens. The laws of nature from one universe to the next need to be capable of changing in highly convenient ways without halting the evolutionary process (e.g not producing more black holes). The biggest irony is that black holes now looks like an enormous fine tuning fix. Recent research is suggesting that they play a massive part in galaxy formation and regulation. In order to explain this and other examples of fine tuning the multi-verse needs to be so vast it would in effect create Gods and teleological laws of nature, not to mention multiple clones of Jerry Coyne. I'm surprised no-one is bothered by this.
- Lord Kitchener
January 28, 2009 at 4:53am
The one paragraph I disagree with: "In a common error, Giberson confuses the strategic materialism of science with an absolute commitment to a philosophy of materialism. He claims that "if the face of Jesus appeared on Mount Rushmore with God's name signed underneath, geologists would still have to explain this curious phenomenon as an improbable byproduct of erosion and tectonics." Nonsense. There are so many phenomena that would raise the specter of God or other supernatural forces: faith healers could restore lost vision, the cancers of only good people could go into remission, the dead could return to life, we could find meaningful DNA sequences that could have been placed in our genome only by an intelligent agent, angels could appear in the sky. The fact that no such things have ever been scientifically documented gives us added confidence that we are right to stick with natural explanations for nature. And it explains why so many scientists, who have learned to disregard God as an explanation, have also discarded him as a possibility." The "nonsense" applies to Coyne in this paragraph. The only point being made in the Mount Rushmore example is that no matter what happens in the world, no matter how clearly it is a "miracle" or "sign from God" according to the religious, scientists can and will interpert it using our foundation of scientific knowledge, including learning new lessons if the phenomenon doesn't correlate to already existing ones. The only difference between the ten plagues and the crises affecting us during the last eight years (9/11, Katrina, the Asian tsunami, global warming, etc.) is that in the age of the Bible, the first explanation given to all events was God, while today it is scientific. But this doesn't mean both cannot be true. "How" it happened is explained to us scientifically. But "why" -- "that's above our pay grade." Indeed, all the examples given by Coyne in the above paragraph DO happen. But rather than applying them to God (as he claims he would), scientists explain them scientifically. P.S. One more line I disagree with: "If the Holocaust cannot do it, then nothing will." Again, this is only if you look at the Holocaust from one perspective. From the other perspective, the Holocaust was a miracle, in which three million European Jews survived a systematic slaughter that aimed to annihilate them. If we lived in biblical times the story would have said "the Lord sent an evil man to punish his people, but then He miraculously saved one third of them, and then delivered them into the Holy Land." The Holocaust can just as easily reinforce (Jewish) faith as dispel it.
- achester99
January 28, 2009 at 5:25am
The debate about the supposed incompatibility of science and faith, it seems, will never end. I am a Christian who is heavily indebted to the work of Roman Catholic Cardinal John Henry Newman who explained, masterfully, over a hundred years ago that faith and science can absolutely go together. Issac Newton, one of the titans of modern science and a serious Christian demonstrates that. The Bible doesn't propose to us a natural history of the world, but rather a guide for faith, morals, and truths that are not accessible in a common, testable way. The real problem with believing that evolution excludes things like the fact that God exists, that he sent his Son Jesus into the world by a virgin, and that his son died and was resurrected is that it makes something that is discursive, inductive, and often piecemeal, viz. science, as if its conditions and methods were the sin qua non of ascertaining truth and reality. If one were simply to live by reason and logic, then David Hume's conclusion that inductive notions about the world, like those of empirical science, go beyond their data and are thus irrational then we probably would not be able to continue to live. I, Christian that I am, have no problem discovering that babies and apples pies are made up of electrons and other subatomic particles in common, yet treating them as the essentially different entities that they really are; I know that the truths of subatomic physics don't have a privileged jurisdiction over the truths of economy, law, ethics, politics, biology, theology, nutrition, etc... No one can prove empirically, or shall we say in a scientific, peer refeered demonstration that humans are obligated to act in civil, non-violent ways one towards another. Yet scientists, to a man, act in this way and if questioned would probably say that it was only reasonable. I digress....
- Ricco Crawford
January 28, 2009 at 9:52am
Professor Coyne, At the beginning and end of your essay, you assert that religion (principally Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) and science cannot be reconciled. To support your thesis, you turn to evolution theory and set up strawman after strawman, all of which you handily dismember. Ultimately, however, you never make your own argument in favor of your position. In short, you simply choose a number of arguments on one side of the question and attempt to discredit them. It's analogous to saying that if A, B, and C cannot explain D, D must be false. At the same time, you willfully ignore many of the shortcomings or "gaps" in evolution theory. While correctly pointing out that it defies reasaon to offer the currently unexplained as evidence of God ("God in the gaps"), you fail to acknowledge that those gaps are just as often irrationally filled by Darwinists with their deep and abiding faith in evolution theory (see e.g. Dawkins re the origin of life). In other words, there are undeniable gaps that currently defy testable explanations. The problem with evolutionary theory as a way to conclusively explain our origins is that it ultimately is an attempt to explain events that occurred in the past - we cannot test it in the same manner that we can test gravity. I have no difficulty reconciling science with my faith in God. My faith includes a belief in a God who existed before matter - One who is capable of creating matter from nothing and life from non-life. Such a God is, by definition, unconstrained by nature's laws. Science, on the other hand, provides a method of making sense of our physical world. It deals solely with the physical. It lacks the necessary tools to test, prove, or disprove the existence of God. In the end, religion and science are only irreconcilable for those who misunderstand the limits of science.
- matt curtis
January 28, 2009 at 10:03am
Coyne has written a remarkably honest and lucid article. Obviously, New Replublic is not an academic journal of philosophy or theology, so Coyne cannot be expected to deal with the fine points of the science/religion debate. Still, it is worth touching on at least one of them. It is hard to see how science has, or can have, anything to say about origins. Kant's conundrm -- the universe must have a beginning in time and con't have a beginning in time -- isn't solved by talk about the big bang or alternative universes, because the problem is conceptual, not scientific. In order to test a hypothesis, one first must be able to formulate it, and so far at least no one has come up with a coherent rational answer to the question "What came before the beginning?" It is not clear that there can be a rational answer to that question. The difficulty is that one can't get one's mind around the problem in order to formulate a testable hypothesis in the first place. In order to determine the truth of a proposition, the proposition must first have meaning. This bears on Coyne's thesis. Coyne makes the important point that pantheism is hard to distinguish from a respectful atheism. I am not sure this is right, because pantheism and most prominent atheisms differ precisely over the issue of the conceptual intelligibility of the universe. Pantheists, like Spinoza, Hegel & Einstein, have significant quarrels with the more nihilistic atheists like Neitzsche and Hitchens, and what is at stake is nothing less than the potential intelligibility of the world. When Einstein said, "God does not play with dice," (or something like that) he was not merely advancing a metaphor. He was expressing a point of view about structure and knowability. To be sure, Einstein did not believe in a personal God (not many intellectuals who have thought deeply about the issue and are not committed to a religious institution do). But that hardly made him an atheist.
- JohnEMack
January 28, 2009 at 10:19am
This is a good discussion article. Personally, I simplify the inevitable problem of reconciling science and religion to one of first principles. These do translate to what is in the article, but I tend to simplify it more directly: The first principles in science are: 1. Observations of the universe are measurements of reality. 2. When theory and observations differ, the problem is with the theory. The first principles of religion are: 1. The religious literature (e.g., Bible) are measurements of reality. 2. When theory and observations differ, the problem is with the observations.
- DL
January 28, 2009 at 10:50am
Spirituality give meaning to life, science only give answer to your problem or say science make your life easy.Without meaning how can man live? Siprituality raise the question,science only giving answer. Raising question man start to think, that means spirituality give meanig to your living.
- Ramesh Raghuvanshi
January 28, 2009 at 11:08am
Science IS religion. Religion IS science. All religions are about a miraculous* creation story. To make sense a religion must meet the rigors of rational analysis AND then one emotionally owns this intellectual truth and that is the step of faith. Religion does not exist by faith alone. The 'Big Bang, the origin of space and time, quamtum physics, is OUR miraculous creation story. It brings alive the babies in the world's religions while banishing the bathwater to the myth bucket. One does not need a God or an after life to have religion. *miracle = anything beyond human comprehension.
- recher
January 28, 2009 at 12:03pm
Science is concerned about what's in the box , Religion is concerned about what's outside the box .
- Kim
January 28, 2009 at 12:11pm
Hi Professor Coyne, I thought I'd point out that you misquoted Laplace slightly: "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothese-la" is actually in the past tense, which changes the meaning significantly -- he's not saying that he _has_ no need for it, but that he _had_ no need for that hypothesis in creating the work under discussion.
- Matthew
January 28, 2009 at 12:28pm
Professor Coyne is swept up in the statistics of how many Americans believe in the supernatural to the exclusion of the scientific. If this essay was to just lament how the majority of Americans have their heads in the sand, that would be one thing. But he insists science and religion cannot be reconciled. This denies the analysis religious liberals have made. We may be a minority, but with over 10,000 priests signing documents like the Clergy Project letter, it is not true to say no reconciliation is possible. By taking such an intractable position, Professor Coyne comes across as narrow minded.
- Jay Hartlove
January 28, 2009 at 12:50pm
Actually Coyne does define science: science is the testing of premises by attempting to prove them false (falsification). Premises which cannot possibly be falsified are a priori not scientific (not that you have to be able to prove the premise false, but that you can imagine a situation in which they would be proven false.) So evolution (or more specifically, natural selection and the relatedness of all life) is a falsifiable hypothesis for the reasons Darwin gave: if we were to encounter a life form that clearly was unrelated to another Earthly life form, then we would begin to doubt the validity of the theory.
- Matthew
January 28, 2009 at 1:25pm
Reconciliation is indeed, a fool's errand. Religious people have a specific goal and will never be deterred by any argument. They are not trying to understand life or account for human existence. They are trying to beat death. Imagine the following dialog, between Average Joe and The Enlightenment: AJ: Yo, TE. TE: Yes? AJ: I really like all your stuff. I like clean water and plentiful food. I like to be warm in winter and cool in summer, and the way you light up the night. I love doctors. I like rapid travel and instant worldwide communication. But I have a question. TE: Yes? AJ: What happens to me after I die? TE: Nothing. Your death is the end of you. A high percentage of human beings simply can't accept that answer. Ever since our brains became sophisticated enough to enable us to observe death in others and extrapolate to our own deaths, we've being trying to beat the rap. Christianity hit on the simplest, most direct pitch--believe in me and you won't die--and thus enjoys great success. You can't beat death based on what you see around you. There has to be something else. Thus, the idea of God. Anything that appears to reduce the power of God--such as suggesting that God did not create us--would reduce the chance of beating death.
- RPB
January 28, 2009 at 2:04pm
I still fail to understand why we still discuss religion and science in the same context. It's quite simple.... Science is not a polar of Religion. Faith is the tool by which religion is contructed/reinforced. Science is the tool by which TRUTHS/FACTS/THEORIES are constructed/reinforced. Therefore SCIENCE != RELIGION SCIENCE -> FACTS FAITH -> RELIGION or Complimentary RELIGION is the past's TRUTHS through FAITH FACTS are the current TRUTHS through SCIENCE RELIGION is no longer needed to derive truths.
- Robert Pattison
January 28, 2009 at 2:06pm
Picking up on a quote above attributed to Einstein regarding rolling dice: if we move beyond simply the theory of natural selection to the origin of life (or matter), then we must accept either that our natural laws have not always been constant or they were/are capable of being broken, or that we presently lack the ability to fully and accurately comprehend those natural laws. In other words, despite never once having observed life originate from non-life nor being able to purposely create such life in a controlled environment, the Darwinist concludes that it must have originated at some point through only natural processes. Comparing this conclusion to rolling dice is the equivalent of saying that if we only throw a normal pair of six-sided dice enough times we can eventually roll a 13.
- matt curtis
January 28, 2009 at 4:01pm
Octopus comes from Greek, not Latin. The plural is octopuses or, if you want to be pedantic, octopodes. Octopi is a barbarism favored by semi-literates. That detail apart, Professor Coyne's essay is excellent. Santiago
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January 28, 2009 at 5:03pm
The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) is the only real hope for proving Christian Convergence. Mr. Coyne is absolutely correct that we cannot prove that the evolution of symbolic thought, imagination, and other aspects of higher intelligence were inevitable in the evolution of life, until we have more than one such example to study. SETI is attempting to detect just such additional examples. And if it were successful--especially if it turned out that the Universe is filled with intelligent aliens at least as intelligent as we, Christian Convergence would have strong scientific support. We'll just have to wait, and be patient.
- Steven L.
January 28, 2009 at 5:40pm
Lycosid, When Coyne talks about science, it’s not clear what he is talking about because he failed to define it. Science is not just about evaluating ideas using evidence and observation. There is something called a scientific method, and in science, the method is not superfluous. Coyne may believe that an observation qualifies as science, but he is wrong (this can be learned in any intro science course). Bryson Brown, If Coyne is going to attack the NAS in the pages of The New Republic, then he needs to support his argument. Coyne is the one claiming that science can determine, for example, whether or not Jesus was born of a virgin. It is his burden to show this. Yet he has not published a single scientific study that does show this. Is he doing the experiments in his head? If Coyne wants to make a philosophical argument, fine. But if he is dressing up his personal philosophy as science, that’s another issue.
- michael
January 28, 2009 at 11:07pm
As a protestant biologist from Australia I am not a creationist but I vigorously contest that Coyne's position is highly rational. His reductionist materialist worldview has no place for free will. It therefore can have no real place for ethics which involves moral choice, and can have no real place for reason which involves intellectual choice. In practice Coyne and his fellow exponents of scientism do act as if they and others have free will; but it has no rational place in their philosophy. Some secondary sidelights: I do not as Coyne suggests insist that humans are the only rational species in the universe. I like C.S. Lewis am happy to leave that as an empirical question. And even if we seriously ponder Coyne's preference for multiverses over an anthropic deity, a preference virtually as untestable scientifically as the deity and therefore more metaphysics than science: Coyne does not explain either the existence of the cosmos in general or the existence of elaborate laws applying to it.
- david elder
January 28, 2009 at 11:12pm
It is a fact of science that not everything true is provable (Godel). Proving something is fraught with social convention and even the most exact mathematical proof is not without a certain amount of controversy --- for example, we don't have a good definition of what is a number. To say that "religion" and "science" are incomparable is false since a religion is defined by it's theology which is just as scrutible as say biology. And both can be scrutinized by the same methodology. Dogma is not religion in the same way that axioms don't prescribe a science. Too often we take the models of our universe as fact, but that is not the case; models are useful when they predict accurately. For example, most people think that pressing the accelerator in their car increases gas flow -- why else would it be called the gas pedal? But in fact, it increases the amount of air flowing into the engine (engines that use a carbuettor) which ultimately does increase the amount of fuel. Ultimately, people construct models so that we can live in the world. We prefer that the models are deterministic --- if you do the same thing twice, the same way, etc. you expect to get the same result. But the model is not reality in the same way that our descriptions of a higher being are not the higher being. In my view, I believe that the world is ultimately knowable by man and that as we evolve the methods of science we will correct our understanding of the world. Will advancement of science lead to direct knowledge of God? Can science answer the question of whether God is knowable? What we do know is that if we have a model of the world that isomorphic to the "real" world, we won't be able to distinguish between the two. And, if we have one such model, we can create others -- so that while we can ultimately know the world, what we know is ultimately a shadow. Should we abandon science. Of course not! Judaism, for example, puts great weight on saving a life and saving lives ultimately depends on advancements in science.
- Shlomo Bauer
January 29, 2009 at 4:16am
From Carlo, 18 of 46: "the truly lame part of the essay is when he denies that some people turn evolutionism into a religion. Sure, that's true in the narrow sense of the word "religion." But it is obvious to any intelligent observer that lots of people extrapolate from biology into philosophy.." Carlo, I disagree with your statement that scientists have "faith" in evolution. This is an old canard. Living by an assertion even when limited evidence is available is not faith. Faith is believe with NO evidence, or evidence to the contrary. Just like scientsts, we formulate hypotheses, like "I should marry this woman", then we test that hypothesis, by spending time with her, determining if her values are compatible, etc. Extrapolation is rational. Extrapolation can be tested. Here is logical extrapolation: since I consider life to be a "good", I should take on, and continually refine, a system of morality that is consonant with my long term survival. Religion is clearly contradictory to my survival, given that it requires moral acts based on an "afterlife" which requires ignorance of the facts (no one has ever come back from the dead). Hence to the degree a religion exhorts us to make decisions post-life, it is actually anti-life. Read some objectivist books, they make this point far more eloquently than I do in this short comment.
- Scott
January 29, 2009 at 6:29am
michael askes, "If Jesus was born of a virgin, then today we would expect to detect..."...? You are unclear, michael. I must infer that you mean what would we detect in the Human genome. We would expect to detect nothing today, because while the myths do not describe Jesus as having any children, even if he did presumably they would be normal, since he had a perfectly good set of DNA to pass along - his mother's. Now, if we had Jesus' and Mary's DNA today, an unlikely circumstance, we might be able to tell if Jesus was the result of a virgin birth.
- GalapagosPete
January 29, 2009 at 11:28am
I think the real question should be can the human race survive religion. We continue to believe we are the chosen species on this planet. We need to take responsibility for this Earth and care for it as our home. If the majority of people believe that some deity will come and fix every problem that man has wrought then we are in trouble. It’s a bit like the Christians who believes they can do whatever they please because they are told that ultimately God will forgive them they’re trespasses . There is always some magical resolution promised in the far off future which allows one to defer taking responsibility, i.e. the second coming, forgiveness of sins, grace, purgatory. Could belief in God be a genetic defect that will ultimately thin the ranks of the human race? The latest theories on evolution are looking at viruses as the editors of DNA, making small modifications by replacing some of the host DNA with a bit of the viruses. There is a belief that the extinction of the Dinosaurs may be parasite related. Could the lowly virus be the hand of God? There is still much to learn and this is too early in our evolution to make conclusions. Everyday things we learned as being true are being proved wrong.
- John
January 29, 2009 at 2:03pm
This article promotes a false choice. Either you believe there is a God and reject science or you believe in science and must reject God. For myself, I have a real hard time celebrating the man who wrote "Descent of Man" and thus the foundation of the Eugenics movement, which is still alive and well today. I'm totally okay with evolution/natural selection. I am not okay with any attempts to apply it to living humans. That would be evil. A little biography: I'm a scientist getting ready to join the Catholic Church and be Baptized this Easter, I'm 32 and I finally realized that science can be a great career, but it can never fulfill the yearning of every human heart to know and follow God. God Bless!
- JustJason
January 29, 2009 at 5:32pm
The multiverse answer to the anthropic problem is empty. From the fact that there are an infinite number of universes, it doesn't follow therefore that any one particular configuration will attain necessarily. It is like saying that because there are an infinite number of facts about oranges, there is an orange sitting right next to me. It doesn't EXPLAIN anything at all. It is the very definition of a red herring. The same goes for the idea that somehow a natural selection process will produce a universe that supports life. That only pushes the question back. Because the question then becomes why it is that such a natural selection process is possible at all. And moreover, why the surviving universes can configure to produce anything interesting at all. The physicist Freeman Dyson, speaking as a physicist, points out that the fact that anything of any interest can happen in the universe requires a convergence of order, time, and the right amount of creativity. A universe that is stable is not enough to produce life or anything else of any interest. The fact that universes that can produce this convergence of events can survive at all is what is interesting. Every attempt to answer ultimate questions ends up utilizing not scientifict, not religious, but philosophical presuppositions. One can always push questions about the features of reality as such back a step, and ask 'well why that?' All explanations end somewhere, for naturalists then end at the brute fact of the physical universe, for ecclectic classical theists physical facts supervene on the non-physical. The question is not who can explain more effectively but where we should expect explanations to end. And that is always a question not of physics, but of metaphysics. And we call it metaphysics because it is 'beyond science'. The really funny move is to point to some universal natural selection and then question the idea that evolution moves in the direction of complexity. The whole idea of a move towards complexity comes from putting evolution within a cosmological context, and seeing that it is part of a wider astronomical fact relating to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It is the universal tendency towards complexity, which in part makes evolution possible, that tends one towards suspecting a more universal principle is at work. Religious people have all kinds of options. Alfred N Whitehead, who I really believed basically solved all these issues almost 100 years ago, was firmly routed in semitic concepts of God, with some help from the east. His more general metaphysics has contributed to the rise of complexity theory and fields like bioinformatics in biology. Whitehead's metaphsycis has influenced every major branch of science and many believe complexity theory to be the future of the sciences. And Whitehead's metaphysics was very much theistic. Brian Swimme, the mathematical cosmologist, talks of the universe making 'decisions' as it moves forward in time(and this is how he accounts for the so-called anthropic tendencies, better named the principle of maximum diversity). This talk is grounded in complexity theory and quantum mechanics, but it sure brings him to a picture of existence that looks pretty compatible with a religious worldview. The universe as a whole is much more like a living thing than a machine. That was the jist of what Whitehead was driving at. The question is whether that life-likeness is intentional or responds to intentionality. People have numinous moments: mystical experiences, paradigmic experiences of meaning like laughter, love, and self-ordering, all of which indicate to them that it is. Religious texts exist to help us access the deepest parts of ourselves to discover this fundamental metaphysical fact. There is nothing in that quest, or that apprehension (of my fundamental relationship with the whole of things) that conflicts with science, which is broadly a methodology. Religion in the Making by Alfred N Whitehead should be read by anyone really interested in these matters.
- Joshua
January 29, 2009 at 5:34pm
Ironically, I find in evolution the best objective proof of the existence of God. Intelligence is merely the enlargement of the frontal cortex and it provides a huge evolutionary advantage to the individual. Evolution theory predicts there should be hundreds of intelligent species. Yet, we are alone.
- EM
January 29, 2009 at 9:31pm
To the detriment of all inquiry, it is a long held and almost universally unquestioned assumption that God can neither be proved nor disproved. Why not? Who says so? In The Evolution of Physics, Einstein wrote that “In classical mechanics it is tacitly assumed that a moving clock does not change its rhythm. This seemed so obvious that it was hardly worth mentioning. But nothing should be too obvious, if we wish to be really careful, we should analyze the assumptions, so far taken for granted, in physics.” This same care applies to our questions about God, which are certainly questions for science. Despite the current derisive and dismissive rhetoric, believing in a real God is not the equivalent to believing in a flying teapot or a spaghetti monster or any other such construct. It is not the same as ascribing convenient powers to an imaginary but non-existent being, nor sedating oneself with magical thinking. A real God is a provable God, and much of what is coming out of theoretical physics lines up with what religious geniuses of the past have taught. Questions about the existence of God are not settled by anyone’s distaste of or preference for religion. Our votes do not determine God’s existence, and derision will not affect God’s reality, though derision has costs. When Ludwig Boltzmann committed suicide in 1906, it was largely due to the ridicule he endured as he tried to convince the scientific world of the validity of atomic theory. Ernst Mach, a noted and respected scientist of the day, was one of those who heckled Boltzmann during lectures on atoms, asking derisively, “Have you ever seen one?” The unfounded dismissal of God in our post-modern society is Mach’s error multiplied. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of God, and fashion in science cannot permanently obscure this. Fortunately, the Polkinghorns and the Schroeders of the world have important insights to offer despite the strictures of the atheism that is currently fashionable in science. In my view, atheism does not represent a leap in human self-understanding, it is merely a license to avoid the hard work of facing a reality that does not quite line up with the expectations of positivists. Anyone’s dogmatic insistence upon a mechanistic, reductionist explanation of the universe and everything in it reflects a level of superficiality that obstructs genuine inquiry. I learned in elementary school that questions about ourselves and our place in the universe belong to all of us and we benefit from looking to various specialized disciplines to inform our thinking. I applaud scientific advances and I am completely convinced of God’s reality. Atheism represents a herd mentality, no matter how bright and gifted certain of its adherents may be. They are rather like those in the past saying, “Let’s not follow this Democritus fellow on this question of atoms, okey dokey?” And yet….
- Marsha Hansen
January 30, 2009 at 2:31am
Scott 53: I cannot remember saying that scientists have faith in evolution. I said that they confuse science and philosophy. Your post abundantly confirms my point, since you make a whole lot of philosophical statements and claim they are supported by "science." As for religion being only about an afterlife, forgive me but that's a truly superficial statement. Religion is about the human need to make sense of our lives, which of course also imclude making sense of our deaths.
- Carlo
January 30, 2009 at 4:03am
John 55: I have a religious question for you: from your perspective, why should I care about the survival of the human race? If, quoting Shakespeare, life is "a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifiyng nothing" why are you so keen to keep it going?
- Carlo
January 30, 2009 at 4:05am
Excellent, detailed review of the science--religion controversies. As a science educator since 1962 I view scientific "habits of mind" such as skepticism, open-mindedness, valuing evidence, and questioning authority, as incompatible with most religious training/indoctrination. For this reason and many others it is important that scientists like Coyne and Dawkins and philosophers like Dennett continue to speak out about the problems with belief in gods & goddesses & angels, etc., whether from the ancient world or the modern world. Respecting religious believers as worthwhile human beings does not mean their beliefs should be protected from criticism. Freethinkers like Coyne should continue to speak out and perhaps one day believers will treat us with the respect needed to have a freethinker elected as president. Just imagine...
- Ron
January 30, 2009 at 9:47am
As a person who was born and raised in the US and has now spent the past 25 years living and working in Europe, I have to say I'm bewildered by the persistant and obdurate ignorance of the religious - particularly in the US. To paraphrase Richard Dawkins, "Anyone who refuses to accept to truth of Darwinian Natural Selection is stupid, ignorant or insane." I genuinely can't understand why some of us cling to religious nonsense when the truth is staring us in the face.
- CB Van Ness, London
January 30, 2009 at 2:08pm
This is a response to Michael (#12 of 62): You raise some interesting points here. I agree with you that it would have been prudent for Coyne to give some definition of "science" somewhere in his article. However, if you do not think scientists observing a 900 foot Jesus in NY is not doing science, then you also need to provide your definition of "science" and show how the event of observation does not fit the definition. I'll address the relevance of science to the alleged resurrection of Jesus, but I think my comments can be correctly generalized to the alleged virgin birth (although that claim may be due to a mistranslation and misuderstanding). Here is a testable hypothesis: Human males come back to life after they have been dead for three days. In principle we can test this hypothesis through systematic objective observation. Suppose we investigate the deaths of 500 human males, selected at random, and watch them for three days, see if they come back to life, and classify the results. My prediction is that at the end of the study, we will find this: not coming back to life-- 500, coming back to life-- 0. I think that you will agree that this is a scientific investigation. Now, is it relevant to the alleged resurrection of Jesus? Of course it is! The logic goes like this: 1) Jesus was a human male who lived in the first century. 2) Not a single dead human male out of 500 came back to life after three days in our study. (In fact, there are no confirmed comings back to life after three days in billions of cases of humans who died.) 3) Therefore, it is extremely unlikely that Jesus came back to life after three days. Have we proven that Jesus did not come back to life after three days? No, we have not, but we have strong reason to believe that he did not and no reason to believe that he did. Thus, the "burden of rational support" is shifted to the claimant of Jesus' resurrection. I don't know of anyone who has yet met this burden. The claim of Jesus' resurrection is supported by NT stories, but not one of these stories has been confirmed to have been produced by an eyewitness to any of the events involving Jesus which the stories describe. There is no proven chain of provenance for these stories. At best the stories are collections of rumors, and they may be pure fabrications. Other relevant scientific studies which could be conducted (actually probably have been conducted to some degree) would involve manipulating the type and amount of stories/testimonies presented to human subjects to see their effects on beliefs of odd propositions. Scientific studies of grief hallucinations might also be relevant since it is possible, if not probable, that some of the stories about Jesus' resurrection had their origin in grief hallucinations. None of this would rule out the possibility that Jesus came back to life after being dead for three days and that the NT stories were true, but it all has a strong bearing on whether it is prudent and proper to believe these claims. If one commits oneself to rational thinking, then it is imprudent, improper, and perhaps unethical to believe these claims. One of the worst reasons to believe a claim is that you wish that it were true. Unfortunately, most peoples' beliefs in the alleged Jesus resurrection appear to have this wish-fulfillment foundation. Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
- TallySkeptic
January 30, 2009 at 5:02pm
I thought this part of Coyne's essay stunk: "For some years I had a pet skunk, who was lovable but dim. I mentioned this to my vet, who put me in my place: "Stupid? Hell, he's perfectly adapted for being a skunk!" Intelligence comes with a cost: you need to produce and to carry that extra brain matter, and to crank up your metabolism to support it. And sometimes this cost exceeds the genetic payoff. A smarter skunk might not be a fitter skunk."
- itzik basman
January 30, 2009 at 11:18pm
CB: you seem unaware that many of us born and raised in Europe do not see any contradiction about evolutionary biology and Christianity. The fact that you do see a contradiction is just because you were born and raised in the US.
- carlo
January 31, 2009 at 4:05am
GalapagosPete writes, “You are unclear, michael. I must infer that you mean what would we detect in the Human genome.” I don’t have to propose a clear and testable hypothesis, because I am not the one who thinks science can determine whether or not Jesus was born of a virgin. Coyne does, so the burden is entirely his. And he has failed to shoulder his burden.
- michael
January 31, 2009 at 10:48am
Actually, the reconciliation is incredibly easy. You just believe that macroevolution makes quite accurate predictions but is actually false. That's easy to believe, since history testifies that loads of scientific theories (e.g. Newton's Theory of Gravity) made quite accurate predictions but have now been proven to be actually false. Of course, that's only if you actually view it scientifically. If so-called-scientists like Dawkins at the time had publically and militantly pronounced, 'Anyone who refuses to accept the truth of Newtonian Gravity is stupid, ignorant or insane', well, Einstein's alternative theory would probably have been crushed.
- David Hudson
January 31, 2009 at 11:30am
Who cares what a bunch of half-educated Scientists believe? The important question is whether they have any reasons for their beliefs. When it comes to their religion-bashing, they apparently don't. Hume bashed not just religion but also science (induction at least) more than two centuries ago, but the Scientists seem to have very little to offer by way of a rational defense of induction (except for those few who try to WILL its rationality by stipulating that it's part of the definition of 'reason'). They then parrot barely warmed over positivist or Popperian silliness as if it were clearly true. Reason and knowledge require empirically confirmable, or perhaps falsifiable, hypotheses? Oops! There goes any hope for moral reasoning or knowledge. Just take a claim like, "One ought to oppose racism" (as that sadly benighted religionist, MLK, would say). But ought we to believe that? After all, experiments can confirm just the statements about how the world is, not how it ought to be. In fact, the Scientists would send all the "ought's" hurtling into the nether regions of unreason and superstition (without realizing it of course), even the methodological ones -- such as, e.g., their precious maxim that one ought to believe only what can be supported by experience. And hey, have any of you folks trained your telescopes or microscopes on a perfect circle yet, or the number 3? 'Cause I'd like to think that at least math falls within the domain of knowledge. There are more things in life and reason than in all the Scientists' false philosophy.
- Johannes
January 31, 2009 at 2:59pm
I see the biggest failing of the article as Coyne's insistence that any valid reconciliation between science and religion must reconcile with the religious beliefs of the bulk of the population. Any beliefs of the bulk of the population can't be reconciled with science. Ask the bulk of the population about quantum physics. You'll get something that can't be reconciled with science. That just means the bulk of the population hasn't felt a need to have accurate beliefs about quantum physics, not that quantum physics is wrong. Unfortunately, the people with expert knowledge on both sides of this issue aren't very well informed about the expert knowledge on the other side of the issue. The results are books and articles that change nobody's mind.
- RJ
January 31, 2009 at 5:21pm
Dawkins is really not who Darwinists want in their corner - unless they have little concern for a rational discussion of Darwinism, origins, or religion. Dawkins is no stranger to faith - his is just in the god "Darwin." Dawkins has blurred the line between science and philosophy and insists that his philosophy is really science. He's mistaken. Dawkins would seek to explain our whole human experience as a result of natural selection. For him, all things are apparently possible if given just enough time and enough random mutations. It's not necessary for him to present physical evidence showing the mechanisms and all of the stages in the evolution of something such as the eye; all he needs is some explanation for how it might have happened. The only thing which seems impossible to Dawkins - or at least highly improbable - is the existence of God. When Dawkins attacks religion and concludes God is highly improbable, he has completely departed from science and struggles mightily to justify his disbelief. Those who would seek to use science to either prove or disprove the existence of God are, in my opinion, turning their back on and doing harm to both science and religion.
- matt curtis
January 31, 2009 at 5:47pm
Numerian asks: <> The reason is that today and throughout history, religious people have felt and feel obliged to force their ideas on other people. Very few scientists and secular people get nervous about astrology, mainly because astrologers don't try to impose their ideas on society at large as laws. But religious people do, they oppose "gay marriages," they demand the implementation of Sharia law, they try to get embryonic stem cell research banned, they oppose pregnancy termination, they convince millions of people that the use of condoms is bad, thereby causing inumerable deaths in Africa, for example. Religions are inherently antidemocratic, and therefore should not be part of politics. And worst of all, they have the arrogance to claim that ethics and morality can only be based on religion, in other words, people without religion viewed as immoral. Even in Germany I recently heard a feeble-minded politician claim that politics should be founded on religious principles. Opus Dei is trying hard. Fortunately, the tide is turning, even in the United States.
- Alexander Hellemans
January 31, 2009 at 8:41pm
i would suggest that you get phychiactric help
- rodney king
February 1, 2009 at 1:25am
I don't understand why people think that science and religion can be reconciled. In a very basic sense they both concern themselves with the pursuit of truth. Science however does not concern itself with the realm of metaphysics, as it can only draw conclusions based upon what can be observed and tested in the physical world. Ergo, the existence or influence of any supernatural being can't be determined because science does not have the tools to measure the non-physical. Truth then means a very different thing to science than it does to religion because religion is inherently based on the presumption that the supernatural works on a plane outside our own and that the truth behind their faith is self evident in the way our universe works. The universe exists so god did it. People exist so god did it. Religion attempts to apply meaning to the most abstract ideas and events which can otherwise be proven to be the result of natural forces. In any case neither side brings any real evidence of god to the table. I came to this conclusion when I was in high school and I continue to wonder why so many people put their time and effort into something which we can neither prove nor disprove. It just seems to me people could be doing alot more useful things with their time.
- Just Somebody
February 1, 2009 at 1:58am
I'm not sure about Buddhism, isn't it dogma that souls exist? Personally I want the human race to continue because I think we have potential that can result in the mastery of the universe and I want us to reach it.
- MNPUndit
February 1, 2009 at 1:17pm
That science and religion are mutually exclusive within an entirely rational mind seems obvious. What is less obvious is the question as to whether science can ever *displace* the need for religion. If the answer to that question is "no" (and i think it empirically is) then there is a definite need for a framework enabling a sustained co-existence; preferably one which minimizes conflict. I think a good start is simply recognizing that there is no such animal as a _totally_ rational human being. Given that, something will always bee needed to accommodate our irrational aspects. Once this innate dual nature of human psychology is accepted, we can see that religion is humanity's method of positively understanding and manipulating our irrational needs, just as science provides the rational avenue towards understanding and manipulating our physical universe--again in order to satisfy our own needs.
- MC
February 1, 2009 at 1:34pm
Great article -- but I wish it had included the fact that there is a serious asymmetry between religion and science. Science can actually help to explain religion by examining how basic principles of human psychology drive the need to create God. And what does religion have to say about science? Well nothing , of course. Hmmm...
- even steven
February 1, 2009 at 1:44pm
As a Christian who believes in a God not constrained by the limits of the Universe He created, and who exists outside of space and time as well as within it, I don't see that there is any conflict between science and religion at all -- science can discover how the Universe has worked since time "began," and not have any impact on my religion at all. Science can disprove an idea about what has happened in the Universe, such as the idea that the Earth is only a few thousand years old. Where that happens, the intelligent religious person must understand and accept a new idea -- and understand how none of that speaks to whether God exists, whether God made the Universe, whether God seeks a relationship with us in His creation.
- JMart
February 1, 2009 at 11:41pm
Someone above said, "In other words, despite never once having observed life originate from non-life nor being able to purposely create such life in a controlled environment, the Darwinist concludes that it must have originated at some point through only natural processes." Exactly: Coyne is less rigorous about examining many of his own assumptions than those of the people whose beliefs he opposes: He assumes and asserts (but cannot prove) that life began with a replicating molecule. As he said of the foundational miracles of other religions, "we weren't there, so..." Coyne also asserts one of the common "beliefs" of evolutionary thought, that ultimately any behavior, attitude, or even emotional reaction we have must have some survival value, or we would not have developed it or retained it. For the purposes of his argument, he thus chooses to deliberately misunderstand the author who claims that we find "all" natural environments beautiful (not just the ones we find beneficial for purposes of food or shelter, as he claims). And if, in fact, any behavior or attitude--even an aesthetic sense of appreciation for nature--can be seen as evidence of this survival drive (whether such a link has actually been proven, or is simply assumed), what then would Coyne make of behaviors such as suicide? Does suicide have survival value? Doesn't it tell us that for humans, some things are more important than survival? That life lived without freedom (in prison or in military service, or under the harshly constricting pressures of war, all situations in which many suicides occur), or that life lived without dignity, without love, without meaning, is not worth living, despite our apparently inborn drive for survival? Apparently, humans often value these things more highly that survival itself--yet how can this fact be reconciled with the notion that all of our behavior is based on survival value? Isn't this a bit of a fly in the ointment of evolutionary thinking?
- An Inquiring Mind
February 2, 2009 at 7:43am
Tallyskeptic: It seems to me that your reasoning above is unsound. You have sought to prove a negative (that Christ did not rise from the dead) through a statistical analysis of 500 corpses. But that error is only the first in your post and of less importance than another. The other error is in failing to recognize the impossibility of what you are seeking to do. Christians believe Christ's resurrection is significant precisely because it does defy nature. In other words, Christians agree Jesus's resurrection (or a virgin birth) is impossible unless Jesus was somehow capable of overcoming nature's laws. Even if you were somehow able to expand your study of corpses to include everyone who was ever born and died, except Christ, you would be no closer to proving that Jesus did not come back to life than you are in your 500 corpse study, nor would you have shown that His resurrection was any less probable. What is interesting to me is that you quickly conclude Christ did not come back from the dead because we have no other observed and recorded instances (except in the Bible: Lazarus, etc.), while you apparently easily accept that something else we have never observed nor been able to create in a controlled environment (life from non-life) did occur. Christians call the latter faith, just as they do their belief in Christ's resurrection.
- matt curtis
February 2, 2009 at 1:50pm
As far back as 1950 in the encyclical Humani Generis the then Pope stated "...from the viewpoint of the doctrine of the faith, there are no difficulties in explaining the origin of man in regards to the body, by means of the theory of evolution.". Considering that with 1.13 Billion members the Roman Catholic viewpoint is generally acknowledged to represent the standard of Christian orthodoxy it is most surprising a "scientist" ignored this longstanding and frank statement. Indeed, Dr. Coyne flatly misstated the Catholic position. Either he was ignorant of this fact or deliberately misrepresented it.
- Ron Cobb
February 2, 2009 at 2:16pm
"The cultural polarization of America has been aggravated by attacks on religion from the "new atheists," writers such as Richard Dawkins..." Errm, The last time I looked, Richard Dawkins was very British and bugger-all to do with polarization of America - cultural or othwerise.
- Simon Gardner (UK)
February 2, 2009 at 4:36pm
Reductio ad absurdum: "So the obstacle to understanding is not religion, it is those aggressive atheistevolutionists who won't shut up. But consider this: it is Richard Dawkins who, more than anyone else, has convinced people of the reality and the power of evolution. It is the height of wishful thinking to claim that if he and his intellectual confreres simply stopped attacking religion, creationism would disappear." That isn't what the authors are claiming at all, but there are two sides to any "war". Removing militant atheism wouldn't stop science denial, but the battlefield would be completely different. Contradicting the reviewer: Richard Dawkins has not much of an impact on education in the US for the very reason that he insists that biology negates religous belief. Giberson is wrong: "Thoughtful Christians sense something disingenuous about the mean-spirited lambasting that accompanies what should be a civil argument about science." The evolution denial campaign isn't about "civil argument". Its about misrepresentation, and outright lying. There is no academic argument. Its not about having a different "world view". The "weakness of evolution" propaganda is pure bunk, and the leaders of the movement know this. There is nothing civil about "lying for Jesus".
- Mike Holloway
February 3, 2009 at 12:28pm
In comment number 56, JustJason says "I have a real hard time celebrating the man who wrote "Descent of Man" and thus the foundation of the Eugenics movement..." JustJason will thus be delighted with the following facts: Eugenics can be traced back to ancient Sparta, Athens, and Rome, but the modern version dates from Francis Galton: first his 1865 article "Hereditary Talent and Character," then his 1869 book "Hereditary Genius." In contrast, Darwin published "The Descent of Man" in 1871, so it could not have served as the foundation of the eugenics movement.
- Dan Styer
February 3, 2009 at 7:43pm
Coyne states that perhaps "we evolved to find places like lakes and prairies attractive simply because they provided our ancestors with food and safety." I wonder if that is why humankind has always gazed at the moon and marveled at its beauty--because of the plentiful food and shelter (not to mention breathable air) we imagined would be there? Or why we find desert dunes beautiful? Today, it seems all the evolutionists have to do is find an explanation for a phenomenon, any explanation that seems to vaguely match their theory, and then apparently we can all just assume that it's true. There doesn't seem to be much need for proof, or a search for exceptions or countering examples that would disprove it. Pretty scientific.
- An Inquiring Mind
February 3, 2009 at 9:28pm
Johannes makes some good comments above. His "half-educated" scientists are not always aware of the limits of scientific knowledge, and because science and technology are so powerful within the spheres to which they apply, they mistakenly assume that they are also applicable outside of those spheres. In addition, science is a human endeavor, and people 100 years from now will probably consider us ignorant and foolish for believing things we now consider scientifically credible. Only a few years ago, medical scientists were telling us how harmful caffeine was, but now it turns out that it, and many other substances in coffee and tea, are actually good for us. With this in mind, I'm not quite ready to bow down before the pronouncements of the scientists who insist we must simply accept as truth whatever they currently believe.
- A Skeptical Mind
February 3, 2009 at 9:55pm
In comment 86, "A Skeptical Mind" says: "science is a human endeavor, and people 100 years from now will probably consider us ignorant and foolish for believing things we now consider scientifically credible. .... With this in mind, I'm not quite ready to bow down before the pronouncements of the scientists who insist we must simply accept as truth whatever they currently believe." Perhaps "A Skeptical Mind" is living in on a different planet. I know of no scientist who holds that "we must simply accept as truth whatever they currently believe." In fact, the whole point of this article is that the three scientists mentioned -- Miller, Giberson, and Coyne -- hold very different beliefs!
- Dan Styer
February 4, 2009 at 9:37pm
It is not the science/religion connection which is pertinent. It's the science/spiritual connection. Read Dr. Brian Weiss. Elaine Pagel. Paramahansa Yogananda.
- Lescoeurs
February 5, 2009 at 7:49am
I don't understand why people are still comparing science to religion. Both sides of the discussion seem to feel they are in the right and the other wrong. However, both sides ask us to believe and have faith in facts and events that the common person can't reproduce for themselves. I find it hard to dispute fossil fact, and hard to dispute hundreds of thousands of peoples life stories. I often wonder if the two are one in the same, and we are all debating the fact that an orange is round or the fact that it is a sphere.
- Ace
February 5, 2009 at 9:29am
"biological research suggests the impossibility of human females reproducing asexually." I wonder what Mr. Coyne got that bit of datum. It is called parthenogenesis in the literature. It is rare in humans, it is always a clone of the woman and female. [A faulty androgene receptor could create a false male too.] There is a specie of lizards that reproduce that way too so that part is real though not in a mythical way. There are many virgin births in mythology, many long before the so-called "Christ Child" too. A short list of virgin born ones include; Buddha, Mithra, Adonis, Tammuz, Attis and Quetzcaotl all of them were murdered [some by crucifixion] and all were resurrected from the dead after three days. Buddha, Krisna and Jesus have many parallels and similar aspects too. However science and Christianity function too differently to be compatible without change. Science is empiricism and religion is faith without proof. Epistemology vs Ontology. Unless you can say that any measurements taken by science is just of what a God created and have not real meaning beyond it then as a facade in essence arbitrary and not of any Natural world. However to one who believes the Natural world is just a creation and viewing it without a creator is what is arbitrary. I don't see a reconciliation without changing one or the other or both in order to make that water and oil mix. The science is only as good as the people who are in it. The same with religion too. Both of these topics have such an impact on our world every day in every way but because science is encroaching so much on religion but doesn't have the emotion that religion invokes in people it is a cause for concern and alarm at times. The USA is terribly religious and ripe to be converted to a theocracy. There are those in high places to do it. Will they win? If they do look at what happened in Germany and Russia when they both through out their scientists and embraced mysticism and malarky. In Russia it was Lysenko who believed in Lamark's view of acquired heredity through the environment. Put Russia's biology departments behind for 60 years. We saw what happened in Germany with eugenics and hatred of Jews, homosexuals, Romany and others due not to science or evolution but Christianity at its worse. Let us hope it doesn't happen here.
- Nightgaunt
February 5, 2009 at 4:00pm
Thanks to Dan Styer for his response in comment 87. He says that "I know of no scientist who holds that 'we must simply accept as truth whatever they currently believe.' In fact, the whole point of this article is that the three scientists mentioned -- Miller, Giberson, and Coyne -- hold very different beliefs!" But with all due respect, I believe Dan is clearly missing the tone of contempt and dismissal, in this writer and others, for anyone who doesn't swallow whole the theory of evolution. He describes the US's performance in this respect as "depressing" and "dismal," better only than Turkey, and indicates that the despicable and misguided religious believers who reject evolution are not just occasional weirdos, but—shock—"some people you actually know." Anyone who has religious beliefs and/or rejects evolution is, apparently, a simpleton, incapable of rational, scientific thought. Well. The problem with evolution as a theory is how incredibly simplistic it is: It recognizes only one variable that affects anything in the living world—"survival value." Physics, for example, has many equations to explain the manifold aspects of the physical universe, and is still struggling to find a theory that unites them, yet, when it comes to things biological, apparently it's all very simple. They need only one equation, as if everything could be reduced to "survival = mc2." Yet, as pointed out by "An Inquiring Mind," humans (and other life forms) seek much more than survival, and sometimes, when those other things—meaning, happiness, love, freedom—are lacking, they reject survival itself. If there were any fundamental truth to the theory of evolution, this should not be happening, because survival, in the theory of evolution, is the be-all and end-all of the biological world. But in the real world, the world we all know, survival is only the beginning, not the end. It is where you start in order to get to the other things that matter more, the things that make life worthwhile. Until evolutionists acknowledge this, their theory will be incomplete at best, incapable of presenting anything more than a simplistic and distorted view of what happens in nature. That is why their attempts at explaining human attitudes and behavior often fall so ridiculously short—artists, for example, according to the evolutionists, create art not because they and others find it beautiful, fascinating, and meaningful, but because if they are too weak to prove the superiority of their genes by wielding a sword or picking up a football, they can still demonstrate fine hand-eye coordination with the painting brush and thereby win mates with good genes for themselves. This kind of hogwash denies the full meaning and significance of the activities it attempts to explain; it misses the full depth and diversity of human society and individual experience; and it reduces the theory of evolution itself to meaninglessness. I believe they've got an awful lot of work to do to get their theory into some kind of believable shape. If survival is everything, then just why do we seek so much beyond mere survival? That is the question that the evolutionists have not been able to answer, and will never be able to answer on the basis of their present, woefully inadequate theory.
- A Skeptical Mind
February 6, 2009 at 3:31am
The irony, of course, is that humans EVOLVED to believe in angels!
- cforeman
February 6, 2009 at 9:33am
Response to Ace #89: >>"I don't understand why people are still comparing science to religion. Both sides of the discussion seem to feel they are in the right and the other wrong."<< It's because, depending on the religion (I'm gonna assume some monolithicality in science, that may be debated) there are observations of common events where some religion and modern science speak to and they say incompatible things. >>"However, both sides ask us to believe and have faith in facts and events that the common person can't reproduce for themselves."<< That may be true, but just because a common person cannot reproduce an event doesn't mean that a researcher does not in his/her laboratory. >>"I find it hard to dispute fossil fact, and hard to dispute hundreds of thousands of peoples life stories."<< There are thousands of people with life stories claiming to be abducted by E.T. aliens. But, because of what I understand of Special Relativity, the limitation of the speed of light, and the distances to other star systems, I am confident that this planet has never been visited E.T. We might hear their radio transmissions (SETI), but we won't be (unless a supernatural miracle happens) shaking their hands. >>"I often wonder if the two are one in the same, and we are all debating the fact that an orange is round or the fact that it is a sphere"<< The are not the same. Physiologysays that when someone dies, cell death happens, rigormortous sets it, and the body decays away. Christian believers (of which I am one) say that, at least in one important case, the person was resurrected. That is not reconcilable. They can't both be completely correct. And that is just one (but the most important, IMO) example of divergence of claims of science and a particular religion. I recommend that people check out the series "Closer to Truth" (Robert Lawrence Kuhn). There's a website where you can see some episodes (google it). In one epsiode, agnostic or mildly atheistic skeptic Michael Schermer said something that I completely agree with: "You can believe in both science and religion without contradiction as long as your God doesn't do anything." If we believe that God has, *somehow*, acted in the history of the universe, Earth, or humankind, there is necessarily a conflict of conclusion with that of science. Because, then, we believe that the outcome would be different if God had not interacted so. But science would only be looking for a natural cause in any case, removing God (decidedly supernatural) from the picture would not change the outcome from the POV of pure science.
- robert bristow-johnson
February 6, 2009 at 1:21pm
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- Anders Branderud
February 6, 2009 at 4:00pm
I am fascinated by how consistently the comments made here by theists actively illustrate points that Coyne made in the article -- and how few appear to have read it clear through. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty.--Jacob Bronowski www.WisdomCommons.org
- Valerie Tarico, Seattle
February 8, 2009 at 12:34am
Bryson, Michael is NOT asking too much of Mr. Coyne in light of Coyne's claim that believing both in science and the the virgin birth involves "cognitive dissonance," meaning that science somehow disproves that the virgin birth could have occurred.
- dhurtado
February 8, 2009 at 2:22pm
TallySkeptic, you miss Michael's point. Coyne does not merely claim that there is insufficient scientific proof of the virgin birth or resurrection of Jesus. He contends that science forcloses the possibility that either of those events occurred (i.e., proves that they did not occur). The burden of proving that claim is on Coyne.
- dhurtado
February 8, 2009 at 5:44pm
Even Steven: Hmmm, I think theologians would tell you that religion has a lot to say about the human quest for knowledge and desire for an understanding of human origin, the nature of the universe, etc. Nice try.
- dhurtado
February 8, 2009 at 6:02pm
Coyne's essay conflates two distinct questions: (1) whether science can be reconciled with religion; and (2) whether the theory of biological evolution can be reconciled with a theory that a supreme intelligence (a "creator," if you will) is responsible for the origination and development of living organisms on earth. The former is an absurdly broad question that defies any meaningful discussion without, at least as a start, defining what one means by "science," "religion" and "reconcile." I will not attempt to address it here. The former question is somewhat more tractable and has practical implications because of the debate regarding whether the theory of "intelligent design" (ID) should be taught in public schools along with the theory of evolution. I assume that by "teaching" ID we mean advocating it as fact rather than merely exposing students to the existence of the theory in the same way that there can be school classes about the religions of the world without running afoul of the religion clauses of the First Amendment. I also assume there is agreement that teaching either the existence of god or the non-existence of god has sufficient religious implications that it presumptively would be prohibited by the First Amendment. The problem, then, is that if the theory of evolution is presented as implying the non-existence of an intelligent designer, then its teaching in public schools is arguably probematic under the First Amendment's religion clauses. At minimum, it evokes a plausible response on the part of the proponents of ID that if the theory of evolution (with its religious implications) is taught in public schools, then so should ID be taught in public schools. Now, if the theory of evolution really does, as a matter of science, foreclose the existence of an intelligent designer, then it would not implicate the First Amendment any more than would the scientific debunking of the global flood that is described in the Bible. So the interesting question for me is whether the theory of evolution does in fact foreclose any role for an intelligent designer. The underlying assumption of Coyne's essay appears to be that it does. I think it does not. * * * * First, I don't think anyone would argue that the theory of evolution has anything to say about the origin of matter or energy, about the origin of the universe (as far as I know, the Big Bang theory and other theories of the universe's origin have not been verified), or about the origin of organic molecules, much less the emergence of microscopic organisms that eventually evolved into more complex organisms. So the theory of biological evolution essentially starts with the universe already in place, the earth already in place, the conditions for sustaining life already in place, and one-celled organisms already in existence. The theory posits that, over billions of years, the one-celled organisms evolved into the multitudinous and fantastically complex organisms that currently exist. As a descriptive matter, there is paleontological and zoological evidence that this evolution of life actually occurred, though I think the paleontological record is more fragmented than most evolutionists would care to acknowledge. But I think it is not controversial that the evolution of life from one-celled organisms to more complex species actually occurred, and that it occurred over billions of years. That is not consistent with the Genesis account of creation, but it in no way implicates the existence or non-existence of an intelligent designer. Indeed, the fact of evolution cries out for an explanation of what caused it to occur. That's where "natural selection" comes in. The idea is that mutations randomly occurred over the eons, and that, once in a great while, a mutation occurred that was adaptive, rather than maladaptive, in nature. The organism with the adaptive mutation was better able to compete with its peers for survival (survival of the fittest), and, assuming the mutation was something that could be passed on to the the organism's offspring, then, over many generations, the mutation would produce an adaptive change in the entire species as organisms with the adaptive trait proliferated and organisms without it died out. The theory of natural selection is superficially plausible, and, if it fully explains what caused biological evolution to occur, it might render an intelligent designer irrelevant in explaining the process of evolution, even if it would not PRECLUDE the existence of an intelligent designer. * * * * But DOES natural selection fully and satisfactorily explain the process of biological evolution? That is too large a topic to fully address here, but -- I think not. First, unlike the process of evolution itself, the existence of which is confirmed by the fossil record, the occurrence of natural selection of random mutations over the past billion years is not objectively verifiable. Second, under more than superficial scrutiny, the theory of natural selection is not plausible as the sole explanation for the evolution of species. Let's take, for example, the fact that almost all species of mammals, birds and reptiles developed organs we call eyes. No one actually knows how that happened. The theory of natural selection posits that the eye evolved by means of a series of random mutations, but that cannot be proved. I suppose the theory is that some organism that was a common ancestor of mammals, birds and reptiles first developed a rudimentary eye -- perhaps merely a mass of light-sensitive cells -- as a result of a random mutation. For some reason about which we can only speculate, the mass of light-sensitive cells gave the organism a competitive advantage over its peers. This feature was then passed down over many generations until finally all individuals of that species possessed the mass of light-sensitive cells. A similar process occurred thousands or hundreds of thousands of times over millions of years, as random mutations incrementally improved the mass of light-sensitive cells until it became the exquisitely complex organ we know as an eye. At the same time, of course, the same species developed millions of other changes in the same way; random, adaptive, genetically transmittable mutations, such that the initially simple organism ultimately developed into a bird, a bear or homo sapiens. Now, keep in mind that mutations in nature are almost always maladaptive, not adaptive. The theory that the natural selection of random, adaptive mutations explains the development of every single feature of every single living organism is not graspable by the human mind, much less plausible. Evolutionists try to explain it by hypothesizing that regardless of how improbable it is that an event or series of events will randomly occur, with sufficient time (i.e., billions of years) its occurrence is probable, if not inevitable. To illustrate, if a monkey could randomly peck on a typewriter for billions of years, he evetually would type the text of Webster's dictionary. That proposition is not obviously true and no one could ever prove it to be true. And the emergence of life as we know it from one-celled organisms by means of the natural selection of random mutations is probably a billion times more unlikely than the monkey typing Webster's dictionary. Does that mean it didn't happen? No. But it seems to me a wholly unsatisfactory explanation of what drove the evolutionary process. Indeed, much of the evolutionary process implies the presence of some affirmative adaptive force rather than merely the passive effect of random mutations. In sum, natural selection does not adequately explain what caused evolution to occur, much less does it foreclose or disprove the existence of an intelligent designer.
- dhurtado
February 8, 2009 at 10:28pm
"Or, more precisely - ... declaring how we think." Burk Braun There's no precision in that declaration whatsoever. Likewise, there's no precision in Coyne's larger set of declarations. But it does make for a tellingly imprecise inveighment - ... and preachment. One might choose to argue with such an arms-folded declaration, and one might likewise choose to argue with a brick wall.
- Michael B
February 16, 2009 at 4:53pm
This Coyne fellow is a hoot. He writes an article entitled, "Seeing and Believing: The never-ending attempt to reconcile science and religion, and why it is doomed to fail." But then, when presented with the "fine tuning of the universe" argument, for example, all he can muster are some speculative hypotheses: "Perhaps some day, when we have a 'theory of everything' that unifies all the forces of physics, we will see that this theory requires our universe to have the physical constants that we observe. Alternatively, there are intriguing "multiverse" theories that invoke the appearance of many universes, each with different physical laws; and we could have evolved only in one whose laws permit life." Perhaps. But perhaps not. I don't know if those theories are right, and neither does Coyne. But with only his speculative hypotheses, how can Coyne possibly assert that the attempt to reconcile science and religion "is doomed to fail"? It's merely the atheist's faith -- the faith that science must have an explanation because, well, it must.
- Cornelius
February 19, 2009 at 9:09am
Jerry, Maybe reconcilliation will come through evolution. Until then, remember that drugs are only a temporary fix for your depression.
- gershgwilli
February 19, 2009 at 1:00pm
Dr. Coyne you're hypostatizing the immanent pole of the metaxy and thus guilty of distorting existential tension. That used to be defined as philodoxy.
- Bob Cheeks
February 27, 2009 at 6:42am
Dhurtado 99 --- Your statements of evolutionary biology on natural selection, survival of the fittest, and innovation in evolution have been greatly refined. Please read “The Plausibility of Life – Resolving Darwin’s Dilemma” by Marc W. Kirchner and John C. Gerhart. This book addresses better than I could ever hope to the issues you list.
- Gabriel
March 5, 2009 at 4:04pm
"It is a depressing fact that while 74 percent of Americans believe that angels exist, only 25 percent accept that we evolved from apelike ancestors." What is depressing is how many lies are used in text books to teach this ape to human nonsense. Like Nebraska man that still appears in text books today in some school systems it was all made based on a pigs tooth (well ok pekery if i recall. Then you got vestigle organs listed in text books long proven to be fully functional organs that do serve a purpose. There use to be some 180 listed for humans now there are zero yet your tail bone is still listed as one as is the appendix. While we can live with out the appendix it is useful and is part of our immune system. "Most people in America have a neighbor who thinks the Earth is ten thousand years old." This is true in fact the evidence actually shows it to be far younger than the billions of years put out by evolutionists. In any smple that would have had c14 in it for example regardless of assumed age blind testing always shows c14 present in notable amounts. C14 should not exist in testable quantity after 50k years earth is younger than 50k years (actually cc14 amounts have not reach equilibrium and should have after 30k years so really the earth can not be 30k years old) Magnetic field strength around .6 or .5 Gauss limits the age of the earth to about 20k after that the current in the core would generate enough heat to make the earth a molten blob. There is no such thiing as magnetic reversals the compass never points n the wrong direction over the mid oceanic ridge the magnetic strength of the rocks simply goes up and down a little bit above or below average all above average have been said to be normal all below are reversal talk about bad science. There is 100s of disproved evidences for evolution in school text books. Why is this the case? Why are harmful mutations used to show that mutations lead to natural selection being the driving force behind evolution? "all observed mutations are harmful and result in the death of the fruit fly" it then goes n to say "beneficial mutations lead to evolution through natural selection." In a holt 5th grade science text book (i think is holt) "think critically are humans still evolving? explain" Are you still beating your wife mr Coyne? Do you see the built in assumption in these 2 questions?
- novaflare(YEC christian)
March 20, 2009 at 2:10pm
And so, it appears that in Coyne's World, you cannot be a "real" scientist if you also believe in God - pantheists and Buddhists excepted, of course. This conveniently narrows "real" science to studies performed by atheists: all others need not apply! It is certainly refreshing, at the end of this six page article, to find that Professor Coyne's personal bias toward absence of belief is the narrow gate through which a scientist must pass to become a member of the elite: secular humanists! No, Professor Coyne, the surprising aspect of the debate is NOT your strawman: the "rising number of vociferous scientists proclaiming their lack of faith." It is the rising number of scientists on the cutting edge of the advances of human knowledge in all branches of science who have found that their work affirms for them their belief in God. We all search for truth - the difference is that for some, the journey takes them outside of a belief in themselves!
- Oregonian
March 30, 2009 at 3:39pm
Absolutely, a science that is based on atheistic/naturalistic assumptions is incompatible with biblical Christianity. But, it is a different story when scientific ideas are constrained by biblical history. There is no conflict.
- Tasman Walker
May 18, 2009 at 8:27am
Robert Bristow-Johnson (response #25), referring to the multiverse theory states "To base a theory of existence on such an unfalsifiable foundation is every bit a matter of faith as it is to base it on the existence of God." The multiverse theory may or may not (I am not a physicist) be falsifiable using the currently available scientific toolset, But even if it isn't (at present) falsifiable, that does not elevate it to a matter of faith in the same way as belief in God. Is he saying that no scientific theory can be postulated until science has developed the tools the falsify it? That is not my understanding of the scientific method. I do not remember, as a child, reciting in church: "Glory be to the father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, as is now and ever shall be, for ever and ever (or at least until scientific developments show otherwise), Amen" Therein lies the difference between the scientific method and faith.
- Darrell Kavanagh
May 31, 2009 at 3:25pm
This review would be better than it already is if it did not have statements like this one: "Religious beliefs, on the other hand, are immune to ugly facts. Indeed, they are maintained in the face of ugly facts, such as the impotence of prayer." This is not true. Religions often change their beliefs and practices in the face of the "beautiful[not ugly] facts." One reason most Christians today don't play with snakes or drink poison is that earlier ones did and died. One reason why most Christians no longer believe that the earth is shaped like a flat dinner plate, is that circumventing it strongly suggested otherwise. One reason why the overwhelminng majority of Christians today hail Copernicus is that they think he was right. And on and on............... None of this suggests that atheism or agnosticism are wrong and that theism is right. It does mean that it is neither necessary nor helpful to mar otherwise good writing by tossing in such errors.
- David R. Larson
June 12, 2009 at 9:56pm
The notion that there is some unbridgeable gap between religion and science is supported only by atheists who want no part of religion. It's not an actual fact, it's a claim that atheists make, in order to bolster the case for atheism. The idea is, if we can make this into an either/or dichotomy, and we can show that science is true, it means that religion is false. Well, this is a false logic. Both can be true, and yet make contradictory claims that have to be ironed out through investigation. I'm reminded of a great saying by Heisenberg: "The opposite of a true statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a great truth is another great truth." I'd suggest that religion and science are two great truths that are in some respects the opposite of one another, but that only makes them more true, and greater, and not that one must be true and the other false. There are certain facts that some religions claim to be true, but which science refutes.
- conradg
July 2, 2009 at 11:19pm
I know this is late but..... as a Christian I agree with this review. Karl Gibberson, Owen Gingerich, and Francis Collins and others of their kind are simply trying to make Christianity more palatable to the atheistic evolutionists. Sorry..can't work. Christianity by its very nature is offensive. To some it is foolishness to others it is simply offensive..that's the nature of the cross. But to those who are being saved it is the power of God. In the big picture of things the so called science/religion debate is really not all that important and certainly not as important as many Christians and Atheists make it out to be.
- KBC
July 6, 2009 at 10:53pm
I think the most important part of the 'new atheist' argument to convey is the unimportance of religion in morality. I am quite sure that the majority of believers are believers in belief, not god. Anyone who really REALLY believed what Jesus is supposed to have preached would have no alternative but to abandon their family, sell all their possessions, give the money to the poor and follow Christ. This is what he demanded of those who wished to get into heaven, and since the alternative is an eternity in HELL who could even hesitate? A few years of discomfort on earth in order to be sure of eternity in heaven, what a deal! The fact that almost no one actually does this proves that they don't really believe in Jesus' preachings as described in the Bible. What they really believe is that religion keeps society on the straight and narrow. That without religion their children, the under-privileged and society in general might rise up and run amok for the sheer hell of it! Everyone thinks it's a good thing that others believe and that in order for others to believe they must also be seen to believe. The whole thing is one giant Emperor's Clothes scam. So long as every agrees to the nonsense then we're all safe from anarchy. Fortunately this is complete nonsense, ethics has nothing to do with religion and once people understand that they will cling much less desperately to it.
- Janet Holmes
July 28, 2009 at 3:25am
Well done, Professor Coyne!
- Feri from Hungary
August 7, 2009 at 6:09am
The so-called "culture war between religion and science" is being fought largely by a handful of cranks, bigots and ignoranusese on both sides. Most people with a real knowledge of both religion (ie Christianity) and science have little trouble reconciling the two. In general the Bible-Belt fundamentalists' ignorance of evolution etc is nicely matched by the "new Atheists'" ignorance of theology. Often enough neither even understands the other's terms sand concepts and lacks the humuilty to find out.
- Hal G. P. Colebatch
August 12, 2009 at 11:45am