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POLITICS MARCH 21, 2011

We Intervene

After only a few days of allied military action, the Libyan nightmare has been averted, and the rebels are now marching westward again. Like the invincible Serbian juggernaut of yore, the power of Muammar Qaddafi, which frightened Secretary Gates, has been shaken. President Obama has done an admirable thing. On March 18, he gave a speech explaining his decision. The speech was both ringing and baffling: as the poet said, I wish he would explain his explanation. What follows is a commentary on some of the president’s statements. His words are in italics.

 

In the face of this injustice, the United States and the international community moved swiftly.

By Bosnian standards, this is swift. By Rwandan standards, anything is swift. By Libyan standards, this is in the nick of time. The non-military actions that the Obama administration took did not impede Qaddafi’s campaign against his people, and the military action that we have taken came as Qaddafi’s campaign had reached the gates of Benghazi—even breached them. The battle of Benghazi had already begun; and it would have been not a battle, but a massacre. For the citizens of Benghazi, and for the leadership of the Libyan opposition, which is based there, this is rescue, pure and simple. Operation Odyssey Dawn was launched a little over a month after the Libyan revolution, and Qaddafi’s war on it, began. For some purposes, four weeks is a short time; for other purposes, it is an eternity. The question of our alacrity is significant, because there are dire circumstances—moral emergencies—in which the traditional sequence of diplomatic, economic, and military responses, the gradualism of ordinary foreign policy, must be abridged, if the means are to match the ends. In such situations, rapid deployment is the most effective deployment.

 

Left unchecked, we have every reason to believe that Qaddafi would commit atrocities against his people. Many thousands could die. A humanitarian crisis would ensue. The entire region could be destabilized, endangering many of our allies and partners.

The president is exactly right. His decision to use force to prevent all those horrors is justified. The situation was even worse, and more urgent, than he allowed: left unchecked, Qaddafi already had committed atrocities against his people. But why do some atrocities have a claim on our conscience and our resources, and others do not? No sooner had Obama explained his decision to use force to rescue the Libyan rebels than the progressive bloggers went to work. This was Ezra Klein’s gloss on Obama’s sentences: “Every year, one million people die from malaria. About three million children die, either directly or indirectly, due to hunger. There is much we could do to help the world if we were willing. The question that needs to be asked is: Why this?” And Andrew Sullivan cleverly objected, about Obama’s view that “the U.S. cannot stand idly by while atrocities take place,” that “we have done nothing in Burma or the Congo and are actively supporting governments in Yemen and Bahrain that are doing almost exactly—if less noisily—what Qaddafi is doing.”

These are debater’s points made by people who have no reason to fear that they will ever need to be rescued. It is important that this “logic” be exposed for what it really is, because it sounds so plausible. Is it hypocritical of the United States to act against Qaddafi and not against Al Khalifa? It is. But there are worse things in this suffering world than hypocrisy. Are we inconsistent? We are. But should we abandon people to slaughter, should we consign freedom fighters to their doom, for the satisfaction of consistency? Simone Weil once remarked that as long as France retained its colonial possessions it was morally disqualified from the struggle against Hitler. It was a breathtakingly consistent and stupid remark. We should be candid. All outrage is selective. Nobody cares about everything equally. Nobody can save everybody, and everybody will not be saved. If everybody who deserves rescue will not be rescued, should nobody who deserves rescue be rescued? If we cannot do everything, must we do nothing? The history of help and rescue is a history of triage. There are also philosophical and moral and political preferences that determine the selectivity of our actions, and those preferences must be provided with valid reasons. Maybe we should be intervening in Burma or Bahrain: let the arguments be made, the principles and the interests adduced. But of course it is not the expansion of American action that interests these writers. What they seek is its contraction. Klein’s point is especially lousy. Did our inaction in Rwanda reduce the frequency of malaria in Africa? Blogging is a notoriously time-consuming vocation. Surely there is a kitchen for the homeless where Klein lives. If he were to tear himself away from his laptop, he would not solve the hunger problem, but it would help.

 

Yesterday, in response to a call for action by the Libyan people and the Arab League, the U.N. Security Council passed a strong resolution that demands an end to the violence against citizens. It authorizes the use of force with an explicit commitment to pursue all necessary measures to stop the killing. … And we are not going to use force beyond a well-defined goal—specifically, the protection of civilians in Libya.

Obama’s characterization of Resolution 1973 recapitulates its strongest and its weakest features. The resolution’s description of the means to be employed is remarkable: it calls for “all necessary measures,” which goes well beyond the imposition of a no-fly zone and covers the air strikes against Qaddafi’s advancing forces, air-defense systems, and command-and-control capabilities that we have been witnessing—and that are transforming the fight for the democratization of Libya into a fair fight. Moreover, “all necessary measures” are to be taken “notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970,” an obscure reference that does nothing less than repeal the arms embargo to Libya that the Security Council established at the end of February. It excludes only “a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory.” This is a powerful warrant for the use of force against Qaddafi.

But the resolution grants this warrant, as the president indicated, “to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi.” The ends are humanitarian, not political. I have no objection to the immediate objective of relief, of course; but I wonder about what comes next. The problem, after all, is political: a popular democratic revolt was savagely attacked by a tyrant and his mercenaries and some of his army. If Qaddafi now desists, will we desist, too? Will our intervention result in the de facto partition of Libya? Will Benghazi become a free city—or worse, a “safe haven” —that will require our indefinite protection? Will Qaddafi be granted western Libya and his capital? If he survives, he wins. So what was Obama thinking when he added that “Qaddafi must stop his troops from advancing on Benghazi, pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya, and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas”? We have sent our planes and our submarines into action only for that?

If we had acted a few weeks ago, when the Libyan rebels were five hundred miles to the west, a political outcome would have been more likely. But this concrete perplexity broaches a more general consideration. There are cases—and they must be scrupulously pondered—in which it may be a mistake to dissociate the humanitarian from the political, because the atrocities that occasion the humanitarian response are political in origin, and only a political change will eliminate their cause. For this reason, I am heartened by the implication of that esoteric reference to Resolution 1970, because it may support the transfer of arms to the Libyan rebels. As long as Qaddafi stays in power, the national and regional danger remains in place, and worsens.  

 

 

In the coming weeks, we will continue to help the Libyan people with humanitarian and economic assistance so that they can fulfill their aspirations peacefully.

This is bizarre. Peacefully? The Libyan people are in the midst of an armed revolt against a dictator who is in the midst of an armed campaign to crush them. There is a war in Libya. It erupted because the Libyan people finally despaired of fulfilling their aspirations peacefully. When they tried to do so, they were murdered. So they fought back. The president may not wish to be embroiled in an internecine Libyan conflict, but there he is. He should console himself that it is not a civil war, but it is a war nonetheless.

I detect in Obama’s sentence the enchantment of Tahrir Square, so a few cautionary words about what is and is not to be inferred from the revolution in Cairo are in order. What happened in Tahrir Square was extraordinary. Many hundreds of thousands of people demonstrated for many weeks against a despised regime and killed nobody. The army surrounded the demonstrators with tanks and killed nobody. (The secret police and Mubarak’s thugs did the dirty work.) Tahrir Square was a miracle—but a miracle is not a model. There will be instances—they have already occurred—when democratic protestors may resort to violence, to defend themselves or to overthrow the tyrant. Democracy does not entail pacifism. “From the beginning of these protests,” Obama continued, “we have made it clear that we are opposed to violence.” All violence? In Libya the dissidents did not begin with violence, but they took up arms in a just cause. It should not be hard for us, the children of Lexington and Concord, to understand them. And so I am puzzled by Obama’s “peacefully.” Perhaps he believes that Qaddafi will do the rational thing and leave for Caracas. If he wishes to demonstrate that he has no illusions about the rationality, and the political acceptability, of Qaddafi, whom not long ago he declared “must go,” he should recognize the provisional Libyan government, as some of our allies have done.

 

In this effort, the United States is prepared to act as part of an international coalition. American leadership is essential, but that does not mean acting alone—it means shaping the conditions for the international community to act together. … And this is precisely how the international community should work.

This is the experiment behind Obama’s military action, his proposed innovation in the methods and grounds of intervention. He will do it, but in a new way. The “American leadership” that is “essential” is not like, say, the American leadership of George H.W. Bush in the war for the liberation of Kuwait, which was a multilateral effort organized unilaterally, you might say, by the United States. Obama dislikes such a degree of American primacy—the perception of it, the reality of it. This dislike amounts to a historical and strategic re-orientation In Paris, Hillary Clinton articulated the re-orientation bluntly: “We did not lead this. We did not engage in unilateral actions in any way, but we strongly support the international community taking action against governments and leaders who behave as Qaddafi is unfortunately doing.”

As a practical matter, a bit of post-Iraq cunning, this makes some sense. It is useful, I suppose, that the Arab League has thrown its otherwise dubious authority behind this effort, and that “the red, green, and black of Arab flags be prominent in the military operations,” as a senior official told The New York Times, even though so far only Qatar among the Arab states is participating in the mission and its flag is not especially visible. But how useful, really? Who, really, is fooled? The campaign did not begin until the American president was persuaded that it should begin. The missiles that destroyed Qaddafi’s capabilities were American missiles. The United States will turn over command of the operation to a European ally, but not until the American military does what the American military does best. So the conduct of Operation Odyssey Dawn affirms the American centrality that American officials wish to deny. (This centrality, incidentally, is not inconsistent with Resolution 1973, which does not authorize a coalition. It “authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, to take all necessary measures…” It asks only that the individual states “inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take.” Can it be that the United Nations was less anxious about American initiative than the American president?)

The organization of Operation Odyssey Dawn represents Obama’s ambivalence about the global preeminence of the United States. So do its origins: David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy concluded that an atrocity must be militarily prevented before Barack Obama did. Or at least they said so publicly; but the public pronouncements of presidents, particularly in open societies, are necessary to prepare public opinion for a discussion of the proposed course of action. Reticence about first principles and bold actions is not a presidential virtue. “Sarkozy! Sarkozy!” the rebels in Benghazi are now shouting. I would have preferred to hear “Obama! Obama!” I have no doubt that they would have gratefully cried out the president’s name, even though we are in Iraq and Afghanistan. By the time Obama is finished with his serial opacities and last-minute adjustments about the democratic struggle in the Middle East, he will have forfeited the trust of both its regimes and its peoples.

“We did not lead this”: what sort of boast is that? According to Resolution 1973, Qaddafi has committed “gross and systematic violation of human rights, including arbitrary detentions, enforced disappearances, torture, and summary executions” and “systematic attacks … against the civilian population [that] may amount to crimes against humanity.” We should have led this. I respect the deliberateness with which Obama considers sending American soldiers into battle: the Constitution gives the commander-in-chief the lonely power of life and death. But this same power makes the American president uniquely able to do—pardon my ideological naivete—good in the world. He can rescue, and save, and support, and protect. And he can know this prior to any crisis; this can be pre-deliberated. What matters is his prior conception of the American presidency and of American power. A reluctance to put American troops in harm’s way must not be confused with a reluctance to recognize, or to accept, that the thwarting of a crime against humanity is not one of the burdens of the office, but one of its glories. There is no historical shame, no historical cost, in delivering a city of 750,000 people, and a democratic revolt, from the brutal designs of a lunatic tyrant, and in being seen to be doing so. There is only honor.

Leon Wieseltier is the literary editor of The New Republic.

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And yet the New York Times headline is that Quaddafi holds strategic town. Leon thinks he's God; "Let there be . . . ."

- MOLLYSIMON

March 21, 2011 at 12:19pm

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Perhaps it is time that the USA is not always the lead in what may become more UN resolutions based on the "Reponsibility to Protect". Certainly Obama should have explained this part to the American people of his vision of a multi-lateral world with more than one hegemon. Leon W asks in what is a thoughtful analysis of Obama's speech (and I would wish Leon W had compared Obama's speech to UK PM Cameron's speech the night before): So what was Obama thinking when he added that “Qaddafi must stop his troops from advancing on Benghazi, pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya, and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas”? Misrata is Libya's 3rd biggest city; Zawiyah is the 4th biggest. Zawara has about 40,000, mostly Berbers. The opposition was local (organic) in all three of these cities west of Tripoli. These early battles supplied enough evidence of Qaddafi's military onslaught against civilians to lead to the Arab League vote and then the UNSCRes1973 as Q's tanks were at the southern edge of Benghazi after similar campaigns by Qaddhafi forces to retake Brega and Adjabiya. Of the four NYT reporters taken 'prisoner' by Q's forces (and just released this morning), Anthony Shadid filed his last story from Adjabiya on March 14 or 15, mostly about the massive, indiscriminate destruction of Zawiya and Misrata. CNN's Nic Robertson reported last night that a team of reporters from Indonesia had managed to get to Misrata, and reported many civilian casualties. I have yet to find the confirmation report. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Misurata Feb 24, 2011 to the present http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Az_Zawiyah Feb 24 - March 10-11, 2011 In the east: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ajdabiya March 15 to this very moment I suppose the new debate should be 1) whether Reponsibility to Protect should have become a United Nations SC mandate for the use of "all necessary means" (Denmark certainly thinks so) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_to_protect ; and 2) whether the American President can commit military assets to the enforcement of a UNSC resolution without a vote in Congress. The No Fly Zone is now being extended to Misrata where Qaddhafi's forces are inside the urban areas, reported to be killing civilians by NPR.

- K2K

March 21, 2011 at 12:54pm

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Mr Wieseltier and others at TNR are delighted that the President has attacked the armed forces of Libya, in Libya, without Congressional authorization and without any claim of an imminent threat to US security. I cannot agree. Neil

- purcellneil

March 21, 2011 at 1:08pm

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"Like the invincible Serbian juggernaut of yore, the power of Muammar Qaddafi, which frightened Secretary Gates, is rapidly crumbling." I support the no-fly zone and coalition action in Libya and I think the process that was undertaken was the right way to go about it, but this has the virtue of being both untrue and dumb.

- Pnaut

March 21, 2011 at 1:35pm

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I agree with purcellneil. It is deeply disturbing that the UN Security Council populated exclusively by un-elected representatives, in several cases of fascist police states, has apparently come to be seen as the ultimate arbiter of "international law". We are by any reasonable definition at war with the duly constituted government of Libya, and Congress has completely abdicated its role. Attempts to evade this fact are sophistry.

- Robert Powell

March 21, 2011 at 3:50pm

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RP: with respect, I think you are confusing and conflating several issues. "apparently come to be seen": the UN Charter gives the UNSC the authority, and the sole authority, to made decisions and authorize the use of force (outside self-defence, which is narrowly circumscribed) by members of the UN. So there is no "apparently" here, and there is no "come to be seen". The UNSC is doing what it was set up to do. "as the ultimate arbiter of "international law"': not so, and the scare quotes are, frankly, silly and unbecoming. International law exists, in written form and in custom; except for the most lunatic of the lunatic right and left, international law is a living, breathing thing: your internet functions because of it, mail is delivered, planes fly, ships sail, trade takes place, money is transferred ... you name it, if it crosses borders, it functions because of "international law". Now, as of its inception, the UNSC has been and is the only legitimate authority on a fairly narrow subset of issues in international law, not on the whole shebang. "We are by any reasonable definition at war": not by "any" definition. In law, in international law, a blockade is an act of war, but not if sanctioned otherwise by international law (including through the UNSC). How that translates in domestic institutional and legal arrangements is a fundamentally different matter. It is possible that some countries would require parliamentary approval of all use of force - when they do that, of course, American commentators of a certain stripe declare them effete for having to take matters such as this to a democratic vote, but that is a different matter. It is also possible that depending on the nature of the use of force, some countries make the distinction internally as to how to deal with it. So you may credibly argue that under the US Constitution, certain interpretations of the war-making powers of Congress would suggest that entering into hostilities in Libya constitutes war. That would be accurate. To say that "any" definition of war would cover the situation is, frankly, overbroad as assertion and quite likely not good law, in the US or internationally.

- icarusr

March 21, 2011 at 4:14pm

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Robert Powell raises an interesting point and it's been nagging at me for awhile. Yet, without "international law" of some kind and some kind means of enforcing an international or global legal system, how can we deal with crimes on a mega-scale, national crimes, war crimes, genocides? Is there a way to more directly involve democratic states and our peoples with this process? Is it possible to exclude non-democratic states (I don't think so - I also don't think it's even right - but that 's another story probably.) Finally, this speaks to the issue of preventing genocides such as in Rwanda. The UN was powerless, it hasn't done much in Darfur, it hasn't done much in Lebanon for that matter, which is tiny and where its mandate was clear (both times) regarding the armaments of militias etc. In 1967 didn't the UN Peacekeepers just get out of the way when Nasser started making genocidal threats? What would have happened if the Arabs had broken the Israeli lines in 1967 or 1973? What about internal attacks - attacks on Kurds, on the people of Hama; what about Tibet? The Congo? Etc? Are rescue missions a matter of politics and/or expediency? Or the economic importance of any given country?

- Sophia

March 21, 2011 at 4:15pm

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"The UN was powerless" Sophia: the UN as an organization has much "power" as its member states allow it. It has no standing armies of its own; its budget is stretched to its limits; it has no command control centre, etc. So it is correct to say that the "UN" did not act in Rwanda; but it is more correct to say that those countries that could have organized themselves under the UN to act, decided that they did not want to act.

- icarusr

March 21, 2011 at 4:51pm

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Thanks for your characteristically valuable comments icarus. Sure, I was over-broad. In spite of widespread violence, at time reaching genocidal proportions, the UNSC has "the sole authority...to authorize the use of force". And that rather than internet protocol is what I think we're talking about. The level of violence we are now participating in in Libya meets, imho, any reasonable definition of "war". Parenthetically, so did the military enforcement of the sanctions embargo on Iraq with or without the relevant UNSC Resolutions. You are correct to note that "the UN as an organization has as much power as its member states allow it..." and etc. The question here is to what extent does the UN now actually disempower member states from organizing themselves to address issues like Rwanda, Iraq, or Libya. Under current practice, MacArthur would have been prevented by extended debate from launching his counterattack at Inchon that prevented the entire Korean peninsula from the benefits of rule by the Great Leader and Dear Leader instead of just the Northern half. I personally feel more grounded in law with Congressional action than with UNSC Resolutions, and believe this to be a widely-shared view among US voters.

- Robert Powell

March 21, 2011 at 5:29pm

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"The question here is to what extent does the UN now actually disempower member states from organizing themselves to address issues like Rwanda, Iraq, or Libya." I am not entirely certain that this states the problem in the correct way. The UN Charter is a system we devised - we in the West - and got the rest of the world to buy in, so that it would advance our immediate and longer term security interests. Collective Security is a uniquely Western idea. The structure of the UN has been of considerable benefit to advancing Western ideals of law, and the rule of law. Sure, the law, in its majesty, occasionally constrains superpower action, especially the superpower that structured the legal organisation, but that is our doing for our own benefit, and so it is entirely inaccurate to accuse the UN of contraining action. Your lumping in Rwanda, Iraq and Libya is, somewhat problematic, and might even be considered disingeuous. In Rwanda, the world had a duty to act that it did not - had nothing to with the UN. In Libya, the UN functioned precisely as it was and is supposed to function. In Iraq, much the same way in 1990-1991. If the "UN" did not work to advance certain US interests in Iraq, perhaps - it is entirely possible - that 1) the US was wrong, despite the overwhelming support of its people, to invade Iraq; and 2) Bush mangled it badly. Again, the fact that we failed utterly to bring France and Germany along - instead resorting to juvenile name-calling - and went to the UN only to spit in its face with the farrago of Powell's performance, well, frankly, that says something about the Bush Administration and not a whole lot about the fourteen other countries that sat there and watched in disbelief.

- icarusr

March 21, 2011 at 6:19pm

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I've got no brief to defend Bush. In my view he made an appalling hash of what could have been a much more straightforward and beneficial intervention. The knowledge of how ("ten years of work" according to Tony Zinni, who did a lot of it), was summarily ignored. But the important issue here isn't Bush, or even his mistakes. It's whether or not we can honestly assess all of our mistakes and improve the functionality of the UN as a vehicle for meaningful collective security. I'm not overly sensitive to the idea of a superpower being restrained, and can even see the benefit. But there is no benefit to anyone in allowing the process to be sabotaged by the likes of Saddam Hussein and his cronies. We couldn't bring France along because Jacques Chirac was a long-time ally of Saddam who was instrumental in facilitating his nuclear endeavors; and Germany because Gerhard Schroeder was a particularly weak leader. Both were heavily compromised with conflicts of interest in Iraq. With these and a few other exceptions, the countries supporting our take on the issue was a virtual role-call of democratic, rule of law nations from Australia, South Korea and Japan to Denmark, Holland, Poland and the Czech Republic, among many others. The opponents were the Usual Suspects, mostly dictatorships. At the end of the day, nations have armies and the UN doesn't. If a nation sends it's army to war in a UN-sanctioned cause, it's still responsible to its citizens for its army and that army's command. Rwanda, Iraq, and Libya can be taken together in my view as examples of problems that required a multi-lateral solution. Rwanda was always going to go bad because a)no oil; b)horrible logistical problems; and, c) every known characteristic implying an unwinnable quagmire. Iraq remains the principal test of the seriousness of the UN process. Libya may answer some of the questions left over from Iraq. I suppose we'll see.

- Robert Powell

March 21, 2011 at 6:47pm

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icarusr what I keep wondering - should the UN have an army? Or - something? In cases like Rwanda or Darfur or if a small country was threatened with extermination - by the time member states get together it was/could be too late. There were years of agony in the former Yugoslavia before anybody did anything - and this was in Europe - it was shocking to me at the time and it is still shocking.

- Sophia

March 21, 2011 at 9:18pm

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France and Germany were properly unpersuaded of the urgency of invading Iraq. The UNSC system worked well in restraining a feckless and unnecessary war, or would have had Bush not chosen to use the power of the United States in defiance of the UN system. A system of collective security requires collective decisionmaking. That means that a single power does not get its way. Whether the single power, or someone named Powell, thinks that is a mistake on a given day is irrelevant. In this case, the supreme oddity of Mr. Powell's arguments is that the UNSC was actually correct in refusing to give us the power to invade. Its judgment was far more sound than ours. It was not the UN political system that was broken or dysfunctional in the case of Saddam Hussein, but the United States political system. Had we stayed within the bounds of international law, we would be better off today. Obama is at least showing us that we can improve the functionality of the United States.

- roidubouloi

March 22, 2011 at 12:02am

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To some extent, the very point of law is to substitute collective wisdom for individual decision. It is nonsensical to assert, as Powell repeatedly does, that the system of collective security was a failure because George Bush didn't like the outcome and refused to abide by it. That makes him a criminal. It does not make the UNSC a failure.

- roidubouloi

March 22, 2011 at 12:04am

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If the Iraq crisis had popped up on the radar screen in 2002, I'd probably agree with roi. But the indisputable historical facts show that after committing crimes the likes of which hadn't been seen since WWII, Iraq was subjected to a series of actions and non-actions by the UNSC that resulted in the massacre of tens of thousands Iraqis by direct repression, and perhaps another million due to the regime's manipulation of the sanctions regime. It remained in comprehensive violation of the ceasefire terms and other Chapter VII Resolutions which included proactive cooperation with inspectors and accounting for the "disappeared" Kuwaiti citizens. With an army precariously perched on the edge of the Arabian Peninsula and the deadly summer on the way, long-time Saddam collaborator Chirac announced that there were no circumstances under which France, which had already negotiated a sanctions-busting oil deal, would actually agree to enforce the dozens of violated Resolutions. At that point the clear choice was invade or surrender. In my view, the surrender option would have been the end of any realistic role by the UN in matters of war and peace, which would have been a greater loss than our insistence on our authority over the operations of our troops already in the field. It would also have left perhaps the most dangerous regime on earth in a position to reclaim its long-standing strategy for regional dominance. The US was hardly the only democratic rule-of-law state to decide that the surrender option was unacceptable. "Our way" was primarily opposed by those willing to play along with and run interference for one of the very worst regimes of the 20th Century. Declaring Bush to be a criminal because he ended the reign of Saddam Hussein, who was apparently not a criminal but an innocent victim, is to stand reality on its head.

- Robert Powell

March 22, 2011 at 5:15am

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LW is one of the reasons I keep my subscriptions to TNR, but this is a sad, sad thing to write: "...the power of Muammar Qaddafi, which frightened Secretary Gates, has been shaken." I would like think that LW and TNR would be above this kind of childishness.

- NR851651

March 22, 2011 at 8:15am

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Even if people believe we're doing the right thing, I don't think its far-fetched to believe we're doing it for the wrong reasons. So far US foreign policy has been to prop up dictators that are cooperative and overthrow ones who aren't. Questioning that hypocrisy seems sensible and those who question our intervention in Libya are doing so more out of a concern for due process as well as a concern for what will happen once we get rid of Qadaffi. I think most people would agree that ousting Saddam Hussein was a good thing, but I also think a lot people think that our handling of the situation past that point has been poor. Is it so outlandish to be concerned about the outcome of the Libyan itnervention? While I completely understand Leon's support for this intervention, I also wish we could acknowledge the fact that our intervention is not for Humanitarian reasons, if it was, there are places where many more have died at the hands of their leaders that would have also justified an intervention. Will some of the side-effects of our intervention be positive in nature? Probably, but the goal is not to save the Libyan people even if we would like to believe it is.

- tgatz85

March 22, 2011 at 11:09am

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