POLITICS MARCH 17, 2008
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John Patrick Diggins, author of John Adams: The American Presidents Series, Steven Waldman, author of Founding Faith, and Kirk Ellis, writer and co-executive producer of the HBO miniseries John Adams, are discussing the show on TNR.com. This is the first entry in their conversation. (Follow their complete dialogue here: Entries 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.)
Professor Diggins,
First, a general caveat: I know a lot about one facet of Adams’s life (religion and religious freedom) and not much about, well, everything else. So I am going alternate between self-confident analysis and innocent question-asking.
I thought the first episode of the HBO series was spectacular. Beautiful cinematography, great acting, and depictions of colonial life unlike I've ever seen. In particular, it captures the scale of life there and then. Even a "city" like Boston only had 10,000-15,000 people. The series depicts it as bustling but intimate.
HBO is also to be applauded for showing the demagogic and even cruel aspects of the patriot cause. The scene of a British customs collector being tarred and feathered should forever change the popular notion of that act from being an impish political prank to being a life-threatening form of torture. In fact, at moments I wondered whether HBO overdid the counter-intuitive programming and neglected to sufficiently show the patriot side of things. By the end of the first episode, we see Adams’s commitment to the cause, but I can't say I'm left fully clear on why independence was such a good idea.
My one pet peeve is, not surprisingly, about religion. This show, like most, ignores the role of religion as a cause of rebellion even though Adams himself wrote that fear of British religious meddling contributed "as much as any other cause, to arouse the attention not only of the inquiring mind, but of the common people." This was, he said, “a fact as certain as any in the history of North America." Patriots like Sam Adams, depicted by HBO as a canny demagogue, fueled fears that the Church of England was going to send bishops to squelch religious freedom.
Two questions for you, Professor Diggins. The first is about accents. Most movies depict the colonists as speaking with American accents, which makes no sense. These were mostly English colonies with many of the patriots as first-, second-, or third-generation immigrants from England or Scotland. This series depicts some of the founders as having accents--some English, some Scottish, some a unique new hybrid. Bravo to HBO for trying. But did they get that right?
The other thing I wondered about was the Boston Massacre. One of the most difficult tasks of a director of a historical documentary is which few scenes should represent key aspects of the man. HBO’s decision to emphasize Adams’s role in defending the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre was shrewd and interesting. It has inherent dramatic tension: the patriot defending the enemy in order to prove the higher principle. Here’s my question: The series implies that it was Adams's representation of the British that made him an especially valuable catch for the other patriots looking for representatives and spokespeople. Is it true that that his defense of the British soldiers actually helped his career as rebel leader?
Best,Steve
Click here for the next entry in the discussion.
John Patrick Diggins is a professor of history at the Graduate Center, City University of New York, and the author of John Adams: The American Presidents Series. Steven Waldman is the editor-in-chief of Beliefnet.com and author of the newly released Founding Faith.
By John Patrick Diggins and Steven Waldman
6 comments
The accents: The series depicts events that happened more than two centuries ago. In that time the speech of Americans and Britishers has changed. Modern American accents are probably closer to what the colonists (and Londoners) spoke then than is the modern southern English accent. London English was probably still rhotic (that is, with hard Rs) so modern British accents would be historically wrong. But the main point is that the series is a modern teleplay, and a modern American teleplay. If a play is written about Columbus, should the actors speak Italian? Fifteenth century Italian? Perhaps, for understandability, they should speak English, but with Italian accents. Perhaps Hamlet should be done in early Danish, etc. A modern play, no matter what its period, should be written in the language of its playwright.
- richardobel
March 17, 2008 at 7:30pm
This was a lot of fun. I thought the program so far showed realistically conditions as they existed. I have always felt that the "revolution" was more of a defense of an existing way a life then it was a full blown change to a new life. The program so far does show it that way. Not that the rule of law for and by the people wasn't edgy. You hear so many people intterupt what the founding fathers intended as a way to justify their ideals. It will be educational to put all these words in the context (visual and dramatic) of the actual surroundings and conditions from which they were stated. Well done sos far.
- John Allender
March 17, 2008 at 10:17pm
Wonderfully moving and informative!-especially the depiction of Adams as the prime mover of the independence movement and Jefferson as merely a bit player given an assignment to prepare a document-which happened to be called the Declaration of Independence. Also the tar-and-feathering scene provides inspiration regarding Bush-Cheney.
- lesserliz
March 18, 2008 at 8:58am
where's the response by Professor Diggins?
- nj3
March 18, 2008 at 10:17am
Where is part 2?
- Kodie
March 18, 2008 at 11:33am
While there were some interesting bits, I thought episodes one and two were a major snooze. In the nearly three hours that they ran I saw nothing that would indicate why this man is of any interest to history aside from the fact that he was present at great historical events. Admittedly, I know little about John Adams except for a few facts retained from American History class. Still, I always had the impression that he was a Yankee version of "My Cousin Vinny" - feisty, stubborn, thin-skinned but ultimately persuasive. I didn't see any persuasiveness portrayed on Sunday night. Adams is shown successfully defending the accused British soldiers based on the evidence, not on any special eloquence. Similarly, the scenes at the Continental Congress do not give a sense that Adams arguments swung the other delegates to vote for independence. All that I saw was an unpersuasive, plodding stubborness. It seems that the Congress voted for independence because of Ben Franklin's work behind the scenes and because events in the outside world were moving in that direction. I won't be watching episode three. Besides, I know how it ends.
- felons
March 19, 2008 at 4:19pm