POLITICS FEBRUARY 8, 2012
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When Americans express indifference about the problem of unequal incomes, it’s usually because they see the United States as a land of boundless opportunity. Sure, you’ll hear it said, our country has pretty big income disparities compared with Western Europe. And sure, those disparities have been widening in recent decades. But stark economic inequality is the price we pay for living in a dynamic economy with avenues to advancement that the class-bound Old World can only dream about. We may have less equality of economic outcomes, but we have a lot more equality of economic opportunity.
The problem is, this isn’t true. Most of Western Europe today is both more equal in incomes and more economically mobile than the United States. And it isn’t just Western Europe. Countries as varied as Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, and Pakistan all have higher degrees of income mobility than we do. A nation that prides itself on its lack of class rigidity has, in short, become significantly more economically rigid than many other developed countries. How did our perception of ourselves end up so far out of sync with reality?
IN THE 1830s, Alexis de Tocqueville wrote that, in notable contrast to the “aristocratic nations” of Europe, the United States was a place where “new families are constantly springing up, others are constantly falling away, and all that remain change their condition.” Karl Marx sounded a similar note in 1865 when he observed that “the position of wages laborer is for a very large part of the American people but a probational state, which they are sure to leave within a longer or shorter term.” But it was two American writers who probably did the most to shape our country’s self-image as the land of unbounded opportunity. They were Horatio Alger, of whom you’ve probably heard, and James Truslow Adams, of whom you probably haven’t. When Alger and Adams were alive—and also, for that matter, when Tocqueville and Marx contributed their observations—American opportunity was a much closer match to their superlatives than it is now.
Alger wrote Ragged Dick (1868), Luck and Pluck (1869), and other dime novels for boys about getting ahead through virtue and hard work. To call these books popular would be an understatement; fully 5 percent of all the books checked out of the Muncie, Indiana, public library between November 1891 and December 1902 were authored by Alger. Adams was a more cerebral fellow who wrote books of American history. His influence stems from the fact that one of these books—The Epic of America (1931)—introduced the phrase “the American dream” to our national discourse. Writing at the start of the Great Depression, Adams envisioned not “a dream of motor cars and high wages merely,” but rather “a dream of a social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position.”
Born half a century apart, neither Alger nor Adams could claim to have risen from the bottom. Both came from well-established families whose American roots dated to the early seventeenth century. Alger could trace his lineage to three Pilgrims who in 1621 sailed to Plymouth Plantation on the Fortune, the second English ship to arrive there. Adams—no relation to the presidential Adamses—was descended from a man who arrived in Maryland in 1638 as an indentured servant and, within three years, possessed 185 acres. Alger’s father was a Unitarian minister; Adams’s a stockbroker. Both fathers were men of good breeding and education who struggled to make ends meet but were able—at a time when more than 90 percent of the population didn’t finish high school—to obtain higher education for their sons. Alger went to Harvard; Adams went to Brooklyn Polytechnic and, briefly, Yale. Both sons followed their fathers into the ministry and finance, respectively, before they became full-time writers.
Each author was, in his own way, highly successful, but the upward trajectory of these two literary careers would make poor material for a Horatio Alger tale. The circumstances of Alger’s job change are especially problematic. At 34, he vacated the pulpit abruptly when he was charged with “the abominable and revolting crime of unnatural familiarity with boys.” Alger did not dispute the accusation, which was based on the testimony of two teenage boys in his parish, ages 13 and 15, who said Alger had molested them and on rumors that he’d abused other youths in similar fashion. After confessing his guilt privately to William James, the founding father of American psychology, Alger never spoke of it again. Adams left Wall Street under less lurid circumstances. He simply disliked the work and resolved to stop once he amassed $100,000. Reviewing his accounts on his thirty-fifth birthday, he concluded that he’d achieved his goal—the equivalent of about $2 million in current dollars—and resigned the following day. Adams spent much of his subsequent life abroad and wrote The Epic of America in London.
Alger and Adams celebrated America’s capacity for upward mobility, but neither writer idealized his country to anything like the extent that would later be credited to the name Horatio Alger and the phrase “the American dream.” Alger worked into his later juvenile fiction much moralizing against the robber barons’ self-dealing and cruel treatment of the downtrodden. “He has done more harm than he can ever repair,” a character in Alger’s 1889 novel, Luke Walton, laments about a villain modeled on the Gilded Age stock manipulator Jay Gould. Adams deplored America’s tendency to celebrate “business and money-making and material improvement as good in themselves” and its refusal “to look on the seamy and sordid realities of any situation in which we found ourselves.” He even complained about America’s maldistribution of wealth. Still, neither writer had much taste for radical politics. Alger was essentially a mugwump—a good-government Republican distrustful of machine politics and Free Silver populism. Adams was a Tory-minded political independent who became a severe critic of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, which he deemed financially irresponsible.
Both men bequeathed to the United States an exaggerated notion of itself as a mobile society because they lived during the peak years of American mobility—the latter half of the nineteenth century and the early years of the twentieth, when the American industrial revolution was wreaking maximum creative destruction on what had previously been an agrarian economy. The best way to measure mobility is to calculate the economic position of an individual relative to the rest of society and compare that with the economic position of that person’s child relative to the rest of society once that child has grown to a comparable stage in life. To calculate mobility for society as a whole, you therefore need income data over two generations for a large sample of American families. The government, alas, didn’t collect income data during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, but the Census Bureau did collect data on occupations, which can serve as a rough proxy.
In a 2005 paper, Joseph Ferrie, an economics professor at Northwestern, studied census records about the occupations of fathers and sons between 1850 (the year Alger turned 18) and 1920 (21 years after Alger’s death and the year Adams turned 42). Ferrie then compared these records with father-son data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics during the second half of the twentieth century. He divided everyone into four categories: “unskilled worker,” “farmer,” “skilled or semi-skilled worker,” and “white-collar worker.” To keep both data sets consistent, he limited his inquiry to white, native-born males. Ferrie also made some technical adjustments to allow for the different occupational structures of the two eras. What he found was that the equivalent of 41 percent of farmers’ sons advanced to white-collar jobs between 1880 and 1900, compared with 32 percent between 1950 and 1973. Ferrie’s conclusion held up when he looked at all four job categories and when he compared other stretches of the late nineteenth century with other stretches of the late twentieth. Between the horse-and-buggy days and the interstate-highway era, American society had become significantly less mobile.
These findings are all the more striking because the 1950s and 1960s were a period—the last period in the United States, it turned out—when intergenerational mobility was increasing. The economy was booming, and men born during the Great Depression and World War II were enjoying opportunities that their fathers could scarcely imagine. Even so, mobility in this postwar era was no match for the mobility enjoyed by the generations of workers who lived during Alger’s lifetime and James Adams’s youth and early adulthood.
Adams wrote in The Epic of America that the dream of living “unhampered by the barriers which had slowly been erected in older civilizations” was “realized more fully in actual life [in the United States] than anywhere else.” Was this a fantasy? Probably not at the time Adams was writing. Ferrie and Jason Long, an associate professor of economics at Colby College, looked at mobility during the late nineteenth century in both the United States and Great Britain. At that time, England was still the richest industrial country in the world. But it offered nothing like the opportunities for economic advancement that were available in its former colony. In Britain, for example, 53 percent of the sons of unskilled laborers moved up to skilled and semi-skilled labor or better. In the United States, fully 81 percent did. This was an era when the loftiest rhetoric about the United States as the land of opportunity rang true.
AS RECENTLY AS 1987, economists could still be heard vouching for American mobility. In a speech that year to the American Economic Association, the University of Chicago economist Gary Becker, a future Nobel laureate, said, “In every country with data that I have seen, ... low earnings as well as high earnings are not strongly transmitted from fathers to sons.” Five years later, Gary Solon, an economist at the University of Michigan, would blow Becker’s assertion to smithereens—at least as it applied to the United States.
To measure economic mobility effectively, you need access to good longitudinal data on families and income. Until fairly recently, the pickings were slim. But, by 1992, the University of Michigan’s Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID), a longitudinal study of more than 9,000 families from across the United States, had reached its 24-year mark and ripened into an unmatched source for detailed information on two successive American generations. Now old enough to include data on three or four generations, the PSID is the world’s longest-running “panel survey” of nationally representative households. (A panel survey is a longitudinal study in which respondents are interviewed at regular intervals.) Most contemporary studies of mobility trends in the United States make use of PSID data.
Solon’s groundbreaking 1992 paper, which drew on this newly available data, upended our understanding of something that economists call “intergenerational income elasticity” but that I’ll call “income heritability.” It’s a measure of how determinative one generation’s relative income status—what we used to call “station in life”—will be of the next generation’s relative income status. When Becker stated in 1987 that income status wasn’t especially heritable, he was working off studies that showed income heritability to be less than 20 percent, which didn’t seem too bad. Eighty percent of your economic destiny was in your hands—or at least out of your parents’ hands.
Perhaps you’re familiar with the following lines from William Ernest Henley’s “Invictus,” an oft-quoted inspirational poem from the nineteenth century: “I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.” In 1987, it was possible for Americans to believe, with respect to income: I am the master of 80 percent of my fate: I am the captain of 80 percent of my soul. But, in 1992, when Solon recalculated income heritability based on the more-reliable PSID data, he found income heritability to be at least 40 percent “and possibly higher.” I am the master of 60 percent of my fate.
Or possibly: I am the master of 40 to 50 percent of my fate. In 2001, Bhashkar Mazumder, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago, recalculated income heritability matching census data to Social Security data, which allowed him to compare parent-child incomes over a greater number of years. He found that income heritability was more like 50 to 60 percent. Mazumder later recalculated Solon’s PSID-based findings applying a more sophisticated statistical model and found that income heritability was about 60 percent. Then, in a 2004 study, Mazumder approached the question from a different angle, examining the correlation in incomes among siblings, using longitudinal survey data collected by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That put income heritability at about 50 percent. “The sibling correlation in economic outcomes and human capital are larger than the sibling correlation in a variety of other outcomes including some measures of physical attributes,” Mazumder wrote. Most strikingly, he found that income among brothers actually correlated more closely than height and weight. I am less the master of my fate than I am of my body mass index.
It’s important to remember that the mobility trend for Americans as a whole is not necessarily a trend for every U.S. subgroup. For instance, upward mobility for women has accelerated in recent decades. The trend can be hard to track in intergenerational family income data because, while a contemporary woman will likely outearn her mother, who lived at a time when society provided far fewer economic opportunities to women, she won’t likely outearn her father, who faced no gender barriers at all. At the same time, upward mobility for African Americans has lagged behind upward mobility for whites. One especially disturbing 2008 analysis by the Brookings Institution’s Julia Isaacs compared PSID income data from parents in the late ’60s with PSID income data from their children in the late ’90s. Isaacs found that only 31 percent of black children born into the middle fifth of family incomes—dead center of the middle class, where incomes (in 2006 dollars) ranged from about $49,000 to $65,000—ended up with higher incomes than their parents had, corrected for inflation. Fully 45 percent fell all the way to the bottom-income fifth (below about $40,000). By comparison, 68 percent of whites born into the middle-income fifth ended up with incomes higher than their parents had, and only 16 percent tumbled all the way to the bottom-income fifth. Where these white parents mostly saw their children become better off economically than they had been, corresponding black parents mostly saw their children become worse off.
In the United States, economic mobility is lower than it was during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries; it is no longer accelerating, as it was during the ’50s and ’60s; and it is either about the same or a little lower than it was in 1970. “Personally,” Brookings economist Isabel Sawhill told me in an interview last year, “I believe that it has slipped.”
MEANWHILE, mobility in the United States has fallen dramatically behind mobility in other comparably developed democracies. A 2007 study by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) combined a number of previous estimates and found income heritability to be greater in the United States than in Denmark, Australia, Norway, Finland, Canada, Sweden, Germany, Spain, and France. Italy was a little bit less mobile than the United States. The United Kingdom, which had been far less mobile than the United States during the late nineteenth century, brought up the rear, but this time it was just a bit less mobile than the United States. The OECD’s ranking was based on a somewhat conservative U.S. estimate of 47 percent income heritability; Mazumder of the Chicago Fed puts it at 50 to 60 percent, which would rank the United States either tied with the United Kingdom for last place or dead last after the United Kingdom. Thanks to a 2012 recalculation by Miles Corak, an economist at the University of Ottawa, we can now add Switzerland, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, and Pakistan to the list of societies that are more mobile than the United States. (Italy and the United Kingdom were once again found to be less mobile than the United States, along with Chile, Brazil, Peru, and China.)
It’s especially striking that Canada should experience more intergenerational economic mobility than the United States. The two countries are, after all, similar in more ways than one can count. The most significant way they differ (at least for the purposes of this discussion) is that the United States is richer, with a per capita gross domestic product that’s 20 percent higher. Most migration between the two is from Canada to the United States, not the other way around. How can Canada be the land of greater opportunity?
The University of Ottawa’s Corak looked at this puzzle in a 2010 paper. Examining several existing mobility studies “using particularly high-quality data,” Corak found that Canada is “up to three times more mobile than the United States.” The difference arises largely from disparities at the top and bottom 10 percent of the income scale. If a father is in the bottom tenth of U.S. incomes, Corak found, his son has a 22 percent likelihood of ending up in the bottom tenth. If a father is in Canada’s bottom tenth, his son’s likelihood of ending up in the bottom tenth is 16 percent. At the other end of the income scale, if a father is in the top tenth of U.S. incomes, his son has a 26 percent chance of ending up in the top tenth. If a father is in Canada’s top-income tenth, his son’s likelihood of ending up in the top tenth is 18 percent.
A crowning irony is that, even though Canada is demonstrably more economically mobile than the United States, Americans are less likely to believe that their chance of financial success depends on their parents’ incomes (42 percent) than are Canadians (57 percent), according to a 2009 poll sponsored by the Pew Charitable Trusts. Indeed, when a survey of 27 nations conducted from 1998 to 2001 asked participants whether they believed that “people are rewarded for intelligence and skill,” the country with the highest proportion answering in the affirmative was the United States (69 percent), compared with a median among all other countries of about 40 percent. Similarly, more than 60 percent of Americans agreed that “people get rewarded for their effort,” compared with an international median of less than 40 percent. When participants were asked whether coming from a wealthy family was “essential” or “very important” to getting ahead, the percentage of American affirmatives was much lower than the international median: 19 percent versus 28 percent.
Perhaps there is a benefit to lacking a realistic understanding about your odds of improving your relative position in society. It is, James Fallows argues in his 1989 book, More Like Us: Making America Great Again, a major driver of the U.S. economy. Paraphrasing the Harvard psychologist David McClelland’s 1961 book, The Achieving Society, Fallows writes that a society in which “people routinely overestimated their chances for success,” in which entrepreneurs “launched ventures that by rational standards were likely to fail,” was a society that, collectively and over the long term, would invent more, innovate more, and succeed more. Society benefits when people don’t know “their place.”
A more jaundiced view of America’s obdurate belief that we are all masters of our fate is expressed in Barbara Ehrenreich’s 2009 book, Bright-Sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America. What if you don’t achieve your most unrealistic goals, as most of us won’t? “[A]lways,” Ehrenreich writes, “in a hissed undertone, there is the darker message that if you don’t have all that you want, if you feel sick, discouraged, or defeated, you have only yourself to blame.” The American reluctance to regard disappointing outcomes as anything other than failed personal agency, Ehrenreich argues, is not only painful to the spirit; it is also an obstacle to constructive forms of collective action, such as forming a labor union or organizing a political movement.
WHY HAS mobility slowed down or stagnated in the United States? There’s no real academic consensus on this point, but the lingering suspicion is that it’s linked to the trend toward growing income inequality that began in the late ’70s and continues to this day. During the American industrial revolution, growing income inequality was indeed the price the United States paid for growing economic mobility. In the present era, though, income inequality may be choking off opportunity. The oft-repeated metaphor is that as the ladder’s rungs grow farther apart, the ladder becomes more difficult to climb.
The principal advocates for this viewpoint are Corak and Alan Krueger, a Princeton labor economist who is currently chairman of President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers. For a January 12 speech on income inequality delivered at the Center for American Progress, Krueger took a scatter diagram from a 2011 paper by Corak and plugged in more recent data from the OECD. Corak’s diagram plotted income heritability against inequality (as measured by its most common yardstick, the Gini coefficient) and found that the two tended to increase together. Krueger’s diagram showed an even tighter fit. Krueger called it the “Great Gatsby Curve.” “Countries that had more inequality across households,” Krueger said in his speech, “also had more persistence in income from one generation to the next.” More income inequality, Krueger concluded, leads to less income mobility.
Projecting from the Great Gatsby Curve—and assuming, perhaps rashly, that present trends will continue—Krueger calculated that, by the time today’s children grow up, income heritability will have grown from 47 percent to 56 percent. “In other words,” he explained, “the persistence in the advantages and disadvantages of income passed from parents to the children is predicted to rise by about a quarter for the next generation as a result of the rise in inequality that the U.S. has seen in the last twenty-five years. It is hard to look at these figures and not be concerned that rising inequality is jeopardizing our tradition of equality of opportunity.”
Krueger’s speech drew some criticism on technical grounds from Scott Winship, a Brookings scholar who’s an expert on mobility trends. Other economists drawn into the subsequent online debate (including Corak) favored Krueger’s side of the argument, but it may be some time before the question is settled. For now, what we can say is that income inequality in the United States can no longer be justified by America’s greater mobility, because we’ve stopped winning that race. Indeed, rising income inequality may be the very thing that’s causing upward mobility to slow down.
Timothy Noah is a senior editor at The New Republic and the author of the forthcoming book The Great Divergence: America's Growing Inequality Crisis and What We Can Do About It (Bloomsbury), from which this article is adapted. This article appeared in the March 1, 2012 issue of the magazine.
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"During the American industrial revolution, growing income inequality was indeed the price the United States paid for growing economic mobility." This may be quite true. During (and for some time after) the industrial revolution, the economy was supply constrained, ie limitations in manufacturing and transportation meant there was always more demand than supply could meet. In this scenario, income disparity is required to fund improvements in the supply side (innovation, investment etc). If you build it, they will come etc. Whereas today, while innovation and investment remain critical to economic growth, the economy is demand constrained. That is we can make far more than there is demand for. Thus income inequality suppresses aggregate demand, with predictable and observable results.
- Nari224
February 14, 2012 at 7:12am
Thanks to Noah and others who have gathered and disseminated the empirical data, income inequality can no longer be denied. Now we move to the explanation for it, giving the inequality deniers another opportunity to craft explanations based not on empirical data but human prejudice, in this case the belief that have-nots owe their station in life not to chance or circumstance but rather their own moral decline. And we have the ususal suspects, Charles Murray, of course, but also his popular companion, David Brooks, who only this morning in his NYT column says Murray's "left-wing critics in the blogosphere have reverted to crude 1970s economic determinism . . ." No, it's not the sorry state of the economy for the great mass of American labor that is to be blamed but rather the unemployed themselves. Or as Brooks says: "I don’t care how many factory jobs have been lost, it still doesn’t make sense to drop out of high school." Obviously Brooks spends more time on Sea Island than in Detroit. So the task ahead for the empiricist will not be easy. And it's only fitting that the obituary for America's pre-eminent folklorist, Tristram Coffin, appears in today's NYT, for it is folklore that is the denier's stock in trade, American exceptionalism being the denier's weapon of choice. But our own 20th century history instructs us that there is a way back to shared prosperity, for income inequality in 1927 was equivalent to income inequality in 2007, and yet America's greatest period of shared prosperity occurred between the extremes of 1927 and 2007 (the period I call the inequality bowl because income inequality during this period, when plotted on a graph, looks like a bowl). Noah still has a lot of work to do.
- rayward
February 14, 2012 at 7:27am
This piece, like so many liberal takes on the issues of mobility and economic inequality, ignores a couple of important points. In the 19th century was the country of opportunity because you got rich by coming here. For the millions of Irish, Italian, and Slavic peasants, for the Jews of Eastern Europe, coming to the U.S. wasn't a good deal. It was a great deal. Liberals like Mr. Noah, who are so determined to see Europe as the good place, seem to want to forget this. This immigration is, of course, being repeated today, from Latin America. Brad DeLong, not a conservative, says the average Mexican can boost his earning power by 800% by moving to the U.S. It's no wonder that millions have. And then there's the pesky fact that poor people in the U.S.--most of them--aren't so poor. The bottom 25% of the income distribution in the U.S. makes more than the bottom 25% in other countries. Oh, and then there's all that stuff about how consumer goods--which is the reason why money is important, unless, like Scrooge McDuck, you just like to run your fingers through it--are cheaper and better than ever. You know the drill: poor people in the U.S. have air-conditioning, flat-screen TVs, DVDs, iPods, yada, yada, yada. There are too many poor people in the U.S.--thanks largely to Wall Street's greed and incompetence and the Obama Administration's determination not to alienate the big spenders--but lack of social mobility is not as important as liberals like Mr. Noah want it to be.
- AlanVann
February 14, 2012 at 8:05am
This is supposed to be a "pesky fact?" Why is lack of social mobility not that important? Does this mean the wealthy in the US would be happy to trade places with the poor because they would still make more than the poor elsewhere? Income inequality isn't important says the right because America's poor are richer than the poor and even middle class elsewhere. Likewise the lack of social mobility. What crazy logic is this? The wealthiest here could pay for the entire Federal government and still have a greater net income share than in 1980. What reason do they have to object other than the rightwing myth that the market has determined that everyone in society has just what they deserve? There are too many poor people in America because the wealthy want it that way. It is working very well for them. They deploy their wealth in every conceivable way to determine election outcomes and legislative outcomes in order to achieve and sustain this result and, surprise!, they succeed. For all of Wall Street and Obama's failings, this did not start in 2008 and is not the result of the most recent bust.
- roidubouloi
February 14, 2012 at 8:45am
I don't argue about the thesis of the article and I read all the comments with appreciation of their insight. (I especially admire Alan Vann's comment and it plays into my comment.) However, the question always is: what do we do now to make things better and to offer hope for people? One possible answer is Class War. I am too old to Occupy some 1% site. If my granddaughter tried to to Occupy, her mommies would say, “You are too young at eight years of age.” The other answer always is: emigrate. Previous generations emigrated and were “transported” to Australia, where they oppressed aboriginals, and to America, where they oppressed aboriginals and enslaved Africans. So how does this apply to 21st Century America? Transport the 1% (starting with the current GOP candidates) to new colonies on the moon and on Mars. Let poor people, people of color, people of all genders emigrate to moon and Mars, emigrate to moon/Mars, where they can declare class war and turn the % into slaves. Let the 21st Century be the new time of opportunity. AE [my granddaughter], prepare for blast off!
- skahn
February 14, 2012 at 9:48am
I apologize for the signs of senility and dementia in my last comment. Let the flames and aspersons fly!
- skahn
February 14, 2012 at 9:50am
Thanks for a very enlightening review of income mobility data. Two thoughts stick out however. One is the strange study comparing US and Canadian income persistence. It does not sound so bad that a father in the lowest income in the US only has an 18 percent chance of having a child in the same bracket. I wouldn't use this statistic to make a case for lack of income mobility. The other point that seems to be largely ignored is that there is nothing inconsistent between the belief that hard work and education are important to advancement in the US and the fact that mobility has actually declined. It is the greater weight that is being placed on education and other job skills that is now holding back economic opportunity in the US. The answer will be to implement policies that enable the poor (and near poor) to gain the same access and success in education that more well off families enjoy.
- dromer
February 14, 2012 at 9:55am
Noah -- are you really this stupid or just dishonest. You wax on about relative mobility when ABSOLUTE MOBILITY MATTERS MOST. Absolute mobility means that living standards are increasing in absolute terms: You are better off than your parents, and your children will be better off than you. And the US leads the world in terms of absolute mobility. Also idiotic about income in-equality. Income inequality driven by returns to skill over the last 7000 years. The blacksmith made more than the laborer, the Computer Engineer major makes more than English majors. Income inequality due to skill inequality. Skill inequality an artifact of bad public education system -- why haven't more completed college, a bare minimum in today's labor market --- answer: public education has failed us.
- mr_rationale
February 14, 2012 at 10:44am
So, according to mr_rationale, what a delightfully appropriate name, it's okay if America ends up adopting an income based caste system because our poor people have it better than poor people in Africa, and everything else is public education's fault.
Are you really this stupid or just dishonest?
- GSpinks
February 14, 2012 at 2:11pm
GS. Do you have to choose just one?
- drofnats1
February 14, 2012 at 2:35pm
Folks like mr_(ir)rationale like to dismiss the fact that income inequality exists in America and a problem in need of addressing when they can point to "wealth relativism" in other countries as a comparison concerning how well-off the poor in America are compared to the dirt farmer in Sudan. Yet make comparisons of income mobility to other developed countries like Sweden or Denmark and the accusations of idiocy and factual "dishonesty" fly about like a sheaf of $100 bills being thrown into the air. The general consensus of those who actually admit there is an income inequality & socio-economic mobility issue in America is that the concern lay in what, if any, corrective measures addressing policies that favor the top quintiles need to occur. But what are those corrective measures? Inherited wealth and active-invested wealth plays a big part in how successful the next generation can be. Do we modify inheritance tax policies? Do we prohibit parents from "investing" in their son or daughter's new business idea? I'm not sure that these would result in anything other than the wealthiest finding yet more creative ways to hide wealth from taxes. I'm not sure this is where we should focus so much as focusing on the de-monetization & commoditization of American workers. At the same time, we need to dispel the myth that America is a place that upward economic mobility exists on on some level playing field when it doesn't. And while opportunity exists for upward economic mobility in theory, in reality that window of opportunity is very narrow and exists for a shrinking sector of Americans based on their inherited wealth. Again this window of opportunity is linked to the monetization of skill sets. I think we need to focus on what soft-policies inhibit income & socio-economic mobility. Much has been made of the decline of blue-collar manufacturing and trade-skill related jobs available for many that would or could otherwise open doors. But there is also a growing decline in available white-collar jobs in which a college education or master's degree are NOT prerequisites. For example, my father was the sectional manager for Denver's Parks & Recreation department which means he managed the operation of half of the recreation centers and parks for Denver. In the 1970s he started out in the lower ranks as a recreation instructor and worked his way up to that manager position over the course of 30 years and all with no college degree yet having had some to little college education under his belt. (Keep in mind his father worked as an engineer working for the Bureau of Reclamation in the 50s & 60s and still barely squeaked by a modest lower middle class upbringing for his family of 5.) The same management position with the City of Denver today requires at minimum, a bachelor's or preferred master's in recreation management. What we find is the over-qualification requirements for some white collar jobs has increased over the last 30 years yet the remuneration for the job has flat lined. Another aspect of the downward spiral of income mobility is the fact that you know have fully two generations of workers whose parents or grandparents worked, not in factory jobs or agrarian positions, but as white-collar semi-professionals before the commoditization of jobs. You start to see a near flattening of socio-economic mobility across a wide array of young professionals and mid-careerists whose parents could be white collar professionals with or without a college education. Someone like myself who is as a licensed professional with a master's degree makes a salary equivalent to what my father made upon retirement 6 years ago. The mobility opportunity has flattened for a very large sector of society. Much of this is related to the reverse monetization of skill sets over the last 30+ years while simultaneously requiring that same skill set to perform at higher levels of output. Adjusting for inflation, this why we see large sectors of the job market flat-line when it comes to income. The economic policies put into place that favor corporations' downward pressures on professional services and remuneration is something that needs to be addressed. A prime example is the "internship" culture that exists in the media where young, fresh college graduates "intern" for months / years in unpaid work before being paid a nominal salary. This once working, white collar profession becomes the domain of well-to-do young professionals whose family can supplement their living expenses until they get a paying job. I have such a friend, whom without her parents' support, would not have survived the 10month "internship" at Huffington Post's DC office. If you have a growing class of Americans who are made to "feel lucky" they have a job at all with the tacit threat from the employer that if they're not happy with their not-so-great salary, they can quit because 20 other people are waiting in line to under-cut them for the same job and less pay. We instead are expected to get our satisfaction from spending time on Facebook and getting "deals" on groupon while simultaneously de-monetizing ourselves out of meaningful work that would or could lift our family out of lower class status or allow us to leave a small but secure inheritance for our children to build upon.
- singlspeed
February 14, 2012 at 5:24pm
contra Mr Rationale, I'd say it's people's perceptions that really matter. Once a sufficient number of people feel that the system is rigged against them, it's reasonable to expect an attempt change the system. Often such changes aren't all that comfortable for those at the top. Like our friend. Pop quiz - If more people are falling down the ladder than climbing, will more or fewer people be feeling that the system is rigged against them?
- Nari224
February 14, 2012 at 6:16pm
The thesis that we've screwed ourselves by believing in The Power Of Positive Thinking is interesting. This: “[A]lways,” Ehrenreich writes, “in a hissed undertone, there is the darker message that if you don’t have all that you want, if you feel sick, discouraged, or defeated, you have only yourself to blame.” The American reluctance to regard disappointing outcomes as anything other than failed personal agency, Ehrenreich argues, is not only painful to the spirit; it is also an obstacle to constructive forms of collective action, such as forming a labor union or organizing a political movement. Amen. Honestly, I fail to understand why people don't see that rich family or an inheritance is a huge asset. Ditto an Ivy League education, not because it's necessarily a better education but because of the connections, the fact that it's an inside edge to other positions of power and privilege. By the same token arguing that it's ok to have stifled growth and mobility in the US because we are better than the Sudan is truly appalling to me.
- Sophia
February 14, 2012 at 7:41pm
Now, a couple further observations: a single bad health issue in the US is likely to bankrupt a person. Losing a job and therefore losing health insurance, ditto. Ergo, in Europe, Canada, etc, one isn't necessarily destroyed by recessions, illnesses, job loss, which are often beyond a worker's control. The best workers in America get laid off and lose health insurance, even people who plan carefully, invest carefully (they think) and "do all the right things" can lose their shirts and their houses. Ergo, a good national "safety net" is vital to keeping people from crashing out of the system altogether. File that, however, under, difficulty in getting things done as a country combined with seeing everything as a) within one's control or b) one's own fault. Ergo, the disasters are internalized. Meanwhile, upward mobility is really stifled when the deck is stacked from the get-go. Finally though we need to see that the people vs resources situation has drastically changed, and this is global. Maybe skahn is right and we should be heading for Mars. But we won't see the like of The New World again, with its small population and apparently endless riches.
- Sophia
February 14, 2012 at 7:49pm
Dro., good point, as that poster often switches quickly between the two.
- GSpinks
February 14, 2012 at 8:30pm
The right likes to make comparisons between the US and other nations as long as those comparisons are favorable. When it turns out they are wrong -- as in income mobility -- or unfavorable -- as in income inequality or the cost and outcome of healthcare -- suddenly there are a million explanations as to why such comparisons are objectionable or don't really mean what they obviously mean. The reality that there are other countries doing a better job at some or all of these things suffices to disprove the myth that, whatever our failings, we are better off than the rest of the world. And that is a grave threat to the right because the myth that we are better off is necessary in order to get people to accept the existing order. Once it is generally understood that people are doing better elsewhere, with systems that do more to spread wealth and provide a strong social safety net, they are going to demand the same. And that means that the wealthy in America will no longer have the incredibly sweet deal they have now, anathema to the right where the wealthy are worshiped as gods.
- roidubouloi
February 14, 2012 at 11:32pm
Who are our moral superiors Roi? China, where workers are treated like slaves? The Islamic World where women are treated like animals and where tyranny, bigotry, poverty and sectarian violence are the norm? Europe, where socialism has brought a once great civilization to its knees? What's your point Stalin/Osama boy? Hatred of freedom, hatred of human decency, hatred of all that is good and honorable? I suspect all of the above.
- bulbman1066
February 15, 2012 at 12:06am
From the article: "WHY HAS mobility slowed down or stagnated in the United States? There’s no real academic consensus on this point, but the lingering suspicion is that it’s linked to the trend toward growing income inequality that began in the late ’70s and continues to this day. " Take a look at income mobility among immigrants to the US and contrast that with, say, the EU. the differences are striking. For all we hear about income mobility in Sweden, the fact is that if you are non blonde and blue-eyed, your mobility in Sweden sucks. And not just sucks a little bit. However, the flipside is true for the US. The US is still a place where a family can arrive on our shores in the bottom quintile, and in one to two generations they are in teh upper quintile and the kids are getting advanced degrees. Thus it suggests that income mobility in the US is indeed alive and well for those willing to work hard and ensure education is a top priority. If not, then yes, you'll probably be disappointed with what the country has to offer.
- seattleeng
February 15, 2012 at 7:15am
Seattle - I'm curious as to source for your assertions? The 2010 count of % of foreign born persons living in Sweden (14.1%) is greater than the US (12.5%). Fins are the largest subgroup of that 14.1%, but then it's Iraqis and a bunch of other non-European origins before you get to Danes and Norwegians. Apparently life doesn't suck sufficiently to dissuade an awful lot of people (proportionally) from immigrating there. And from a purely anecdotal perspective, I've not found that it particuarly sucks to be non-blond and blue eyed (a sadly declining demographic when one gets to go in summer!) in Sweden. In fact, I'd say you'd have to go to New Zealand (with it's large, reasonably well integrated, indigenous population) to see similar levels of integration of non-whites in an OECD country at both the blue and white collar levels, and in government service. And a little more objectively, I recall Sweden topped an EU survey in how well countries help migrants integrate. Just adds to the list of things those wealth spreading socialists apparently do pretty well, without large oil reserves or even skimping on their military spending. Then in response to a post about declining inequality in the US you throw out what sounds like a pretty anecdotal comment about immigrants being able to climb the ladder. Guess what? Immigrants can do this, and it looks increasingly likely that they will, in other countries too! I guess your closing line is where we differ the most. You seem to be rather unconcerned if the US isn't working for an increasing number of people. I assume you have some plan to disenfranchise or just round them up at some point before they start trying to change things, whether through voting more radically or more traditional methods?
- Nari224
February 15, 2012 at 12:50pm
er "and it looks increasingly likely that they will" should read "and it looks increasingly more likely that they will"
- Nari224
February 15, 2012 at 1:07pm
seattle routinely makes all this stuff up, nari. Don't be surprised. Bulb, you miss the point. It is not whether the US is a better or worse place than others in which to live. By almost any standard it is one of the best places in the world to live (although it has company in that class, places superior in a variety of respects, something the right finds unimaginable). The point, rather, is that the successes of other countries at things that the right claims are impossible -- greater income equality AND greater income mobility, universal health care AND lower cost, a much stronger social safety net AND higher growth than in the US -- makes hash of the rightwing "market" narrative, which is for the most part a fraud. But the right depends on keeping Americans convinced both of this narrative and of their superiority because, once people catch on to the fact that it is all a big lie, that they can have things that the right claims are impossible, the highly stratified economic, political, and social order that is the holy mission of the right is going to be under extreme political pressure and will buckle (or the right will bring out the tanks to reinforce itself against democratic political change, something I think is a distinct possibility in the US if the right ever finds itself losing ground quickly). So, I am not making a claim about the relative worthiness of the US. I am making the claim that the policy successes elsewhere in the world that, according to the American right, are impossible to achieve shows the rightwing narrative to be a fraud. The right makes comparisons galore when it thinks it to its advantage and devolves into fury when the comparisons are unfavorable and/or when the claims it makes are demonstrated to be false.
- roidubouloi
February 15, 2012 at 8:24pm
...It’s especially striking that Canada should experience more intergenerational economic mobility than the United States. The two countries are, after all, similar in more ways than one can count. The most significant way they differ (at least for the purposes of this discussion) is that the United States is richer, with a per capita gross domestic product that’s 20 percent higher. Most migration between the two is from Canada to the United States, not the other way around. How can Canada be the land of greater opportunity?... Simple: Canada's got me.
- basman
February 15, 2012 at 11:42pm
Roi, the idea that the Europeans are doing better than the US economically doesn't survive examination of the data. This applies to all classes. Yeah, yeah, Europeans are healthier. But that's because too many Americans eat too much and are too lazy to exercise. Even the poor in the US get medical care six ways 'til Sunday. In fact, the the story of stagnant wages in this country is more complicated than liberals pretend. The biggest culprit is the cost of medical care. There ain't no free lunch, and the more high tech medicine American ingenuity invents the more we spend on medical care. Duh! Doesn't it tell you anything that China, India, and Brazil have gone from extreme poverty to increasing prosperity by taking the capitalist road? Doesn't it tell you anything that no country in history has ever escaped poverty other than through capitalism? You should be able to see the utter stupidity of socialism. Well over one hundred million people died from starvation or execution in communist (aka socialist) countries in the twentieth century. As for social democratic Europe, read your morning newspaper.
- bulbman1066
February 16, 2012 at 12:29am
It is not an either/or between ungoverned market capitalism and socialism. This is exactly the false dichotomy peddled by the right. There is plenty of space in between that can achieve, and does achieve, better outcomes in other places: universal healthcare coverage and lower cost in France, greater income equality and greater income mobility in France, much stronger safety net and higher growth in Sweden. According to the right, these outcomes ate impossible and/or they are the dreaded socialism. But we can have all these things with a governed capitalism that allows the market its strength, allocation, while correcting it's greatest weakness, maldistribution of income and the social ills that follow. This possibility is anathema to the right because it would mean the end of extreme privilege. Hence the shrieking and imprecations when reality threatens to puncture the truly absurd mythology of the right. If people come to understand that we don't have the highest mobility, are being buried by health care costs, have declining labor incomes, a weak social safety net, then how is the right going to justify the extremist form of capitalism on which it insists, not because of a better outcome, but simply out of the consuming greed of the wealthy?
- roidubouloi
February 16, 2012 at 6:00pm
Meant Canada not France in my second example although it is true in both.
- roidubouloi
February 16, 2012 at 6:01pm
What he found was that the equivalent of 41 percent of farmers’ sons advanced to white-collar jobs between 1880 and 1900, compared with 32 percent between 1950 and 1973. Weren't more people moving from farms to cities (and some inevitably to white collar jobs) in the 1800s than in the late 1900s? There’s no real academic consensus on this point, but the lingering suspicion... income inequality may be choking off opportunity... assuming, perhaps rashly,... it may be some time before the question is settled This all sounds very definitive. Let's pass a law!
- karlwk
February 16, 2012 at 9:24pm
Liberals main cognitive dissonance Opportunity requires work and action to seize. vs. Entitlement which doesn't require any work at all.
- mr_rationale
February 19, 2012 at 3:06am
The article overreached in its attempt both to document an important fact that speaks to the deep mismatch between economic perceptions and reality in the US, and to present a controversial explanation, based on inequality. Inequality was perhaps implicit in the discussion, but was not nearly as well documented. It is useful to document further the mismatch problem: that between what Americans think current levels of economic inequality are and what they consider desirable or acceptable. The brief report of Norton and Ariely is suggestive (http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton%20ariely.pdf) That outcomes are unfair, and more so than we think, is secondary to Americans' (needed) belief that the game is fair, a belief that can be supported by evidence of malice, greed, and/or incompetence in so many positions of power and responsibility. There is no real need to re-consider the path we chose roughly 30 years ago: but for them all would be well.
- leifgw
February 26, 2012 at 4:41pm
Our population is much more heterogeneous than those of many European countries, e.g., Sweden. And, my observation is that our society is one in which manual labor has increasingly become commoditized, and forced to compete against countries (e.g., India) that can provide it at a much lower cost. In the meantime, the market price for the fruits of "brain power" has increased and continues to increase. Could it be that family wealth/poverty is a proxy for family "brain power," and that the real correlation is between brain power (either low or high) and outcomes? Consequently, as the value ascribed to the fruits of the brainiest grows, while the value ascribed to manual labor stagnates or declines, income inequality is increasing? And, by the way, its not just in the traditional, commercial realm. My guess is that the difference between what Albert Pujols will be paid this year, and the sum that a starting first baseman on the bottom rung of the Angels minor league system will be paid, has never been greater; i.e., the best of the best in sports and entertainment are daily ending up with a larger slice of the pie.
- horsefly
March 20, 2012 at 9:56pm