SEPTEMBER 14, 2011
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In an 1814 letter to John Taylor, John Adams wrote that “there never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” That may read today like an overstatement, but it is certainly true that our democracy finds itself facing a deep challenge: During my recent stint in the Obama administration as director of the Office of Management and Budget, it was clear to me that the country’s political polarization was growing worse—harming Washington’s ability to do the basic, necessary work of governing. If you need confirmation of this, look no further than the recent debt-limit debacle, which clearly showed that we are becoming two nations governed by a single Congress—and that paralyzing gridlock is the result.
So what to do? To solve the serious problems facing our country, we need to minimize the harm from legislative inertia by relying more on automatic policies and depoliticized commissions for certain policy decisions. In other words, radical as it sounds, we need to counter the gridlock of our political institutions by making them a bit less democratic.
I know that such ideas carry risks. And I have arrived at these proposals reluctantly: They come more from frustration than from inspiration. But we need to confront the fact that a polarized, gridlocked government is doing real harm to our country. And we have to find some way around it.
POLARIZATION—the divergence of voting patterns in Congress—was historically low following World War II. But it started rising rapidly in the 1970s, and it’s now at historic highs. To grasp why such bold measures are needed to circumvent polarization, we first need to understand that it cannot be easily fixed and that it is therefore not going away.
A common idea in Washington policy circles is that gerrymandering is to blame for polarization. In fact, gerrymandering doesn’t play nearly the role that many people believe. This becomes clear when you compare the House with the Senate. If gerrymandering were the main culprit, we would expect polarization to be considerably worse in the House (where districts are gerrymandered) than in the Senate (where they are not). Yet polarization patterns have been roughly similar in both parts of Congress. Indeed, although the political science literature contains deep disagreements about the causes of polarization, it is virtually unanimous in dismissing gerrymandering as an important force. Sean Theriault of the University of Texas at Austin has concluded that redistricting can explain no more than 10 to 20 percent of the rise in polarization. Other estimates are similar. As Tom Mann of the Brookings Institution has argued, “Gerrymandering cannot account for the sharp partisan polarization of the House, and diagnoses that place it at the center of the problem—as well as the prescriptions that invest entirely in redistricting reform—are clearly flawed.”
It’s too bad the redistricting myth is not right, because, if it were, the problem of polarization would be much easier to fix. All we would have to do is change the country’s redistricting laws. Unfortunately, the true causes are less amenable to simple solutions. One crucial cause, as documented in Bill Bishop’s The Big Sort, is that Republicans and Democrats are increasingly living in separate places. Compared with the ’70s, roughly 25 percent more of the American population now lives in a county that votes decisively, one way or the other, in presidential elections.
This trend is taking place alongside technological changes in the media that have created a splintered market. Common news sources, such as major broadcast TV stations and national newspapers, have been joined by an array of websites, podcasts, and cable shows. Research suggests that Americans are only tuning into or logging onto a small share of the media choices available to them—and they are picking the ones that fit their beliefs. The effect is to further reinforce geographical sorting.
Psychology research shows that, when people with similar opinions are put together, their views become more radical. In Going to Extremes: How Like Minds Unite and Divide, Cass R. Sunstein, the legal scholar who is now administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, reviews a variety of evidence and concludes, “When people talk to like-minded others, they tend to amplify their preexisting views, and to do so in a way that reduces their internal diversity.”
It is true that several respected political scientists have suggested that elites play a larger role in polarization than my analysis would suggest. But those arguments founder on a simple point: Political scientist Gary Jacobson has found that people’s views on politics have not diverged considerably from those of their representatives. This suggests that polarization is not primarily an elite-driven phenomenon. As Bill Galston and Pietro Nivola of Brookings explain, “Polarized politics are partly here, so to speak, by popular demand. And inasmuch as that is the case, undoing it may prove especially difficult.”
FACING THIS PROBLEM is crucially important because our current legislative gridlock is making it increasingly difficult for lawmakers to tackle the issues that are central to our country’s future—issues like climate change, the hard slog of recovering from a financial slump, and our long-term fiscal gap. It is clear to everyone that a failure to act will lead to undesirable outcomes in these areas. But polarization means that little action is possible. This is why I believe that we need to jettison the Civics 101 fairy tale about pure representative democracy and instead begin to build a new set of rules and institutions that would make legislative inertia less detrimental to our nation’s long-term health.
Let me be more specific in the context of fiscal policy, which was at the heart of the debt-limit debate. Virtually all responsible economists agree that we should be aiming to reduce the deficit in the long-term but not in the short-term. We need an even larger deficit in 2011 and 2012, to support a weak economy—but a much smaller deficit in 2020 and 2050, to put the nation back on a sustainable fiscal course. Yet our polarized political system has proved incapable of reaching a consensus on this common-sense approach.
What we need, then, are ways around our politicians. The first would be to expand automatic stabilizers—those tax and spending provisions that automatically expand when the economy weakens, thereby cushioning the blow, and automatically contract as the economy recovers, thereby helping to reduce the deficit. A progressive tax code is one such automatic stabilizer. The tax code takes less of your income as that income declines, so after-tax income tends to decline less in response to an economic shock than pre-tax income. Since spending is based on after-tax income, the impact on the economy is cushioned. Alan Auerbach of the University of California at Berkeley has found that, as a result, the tax code has, over the past 50 years, offset about 8 percent of the initial shock to GDP from economic downturns. For the same reason, making the tax code more progressive would strengthen its role as an automatic stabilizer. Unemployment insurance is another automatic stabilizer; as the economy weakens, unemployment insurance expands, providing a boost to demand right when the economy needs it.
Other automatic stabilizers are possible as well. For instance, rather than simply extending and expanding the existing payroll-tax holiday, as President Obama has proposed, policymakers should permanently link the tax to the unemployment rate. Consider a system under which the payroll tax would be reduced by 6 percentage points whenever the quarterly average unemployment rate exceeded 7.5 percent or increased by more than 2 percentage points over the previous year. Since a cut in the payroll tax is a powerful form of stimulus, this would be a built-in way to ensure a quick and effective government response to an economic downturn.
Beyond automatic stabilizers, we also need more backstop rules: events that take place if Congress doesn’t act. In this sense, the fiscal trigger created as part of the debt-limit negotiations is a good step forward. It leads to automatic spending reductions if Congress doesn’t enact measures to reduce the deficit; in other words, it changes the default from inaction to action.
Finally, a significant part of the response to polarization and gridlock must involve creating more independent institutions. A good model for this was the process of closing military bases that began in the late ’80s and involved several rounds. To deal with the political difficulty of shutting down bases, Congress empowered a commission of nine independent experts to come up with a list of bases to close. If the president accepted the list, Congress had 45 days to enact a joint resolution disapproving of the entire list—or else it went into effect.
That final point is the key: The commission’s recommendations took effect unless Congress specifically disapproved. Thus, unlike most commissions, this one had a guarantee that its recommendations would not sit on a shelf collecting dust. On the other hand, even though this process favored action over inaction, it was not completely undemocratic: Congress still had oversight and could, if it wanted to, reject the commission’s ideas.
Proposals abound for expanding this type of process. In the late ’90s, economist Alan Blinder proposed shifting responsibility for tax policy to a Fed-like institution of experts. Stephen Flynn of the Center for National Policy has proposed a similar process for infrastructure decisions—and, indeed, creating an infrastructure bank, as President Obama has proposed, would accomplish much the same goal. Such a bank would be empowered to select individual infrastructure projects, thereby removing some decision-making power from Congress.
Perhaps the most dramatic example of this idea is the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), created as part of the recent health care reform legislation. The IPAB will be an independent panel of medical experts tasked with devising changes to Medicare’s payment system. In each year that Medicare’s per capita costs exceed a certain threshold, the ipab is responsible for making proposals to reduce projected cost growth. The proposals take effect automatically unless Congress specifically passes legislation blocking them and the president signs that legislation.
THE PROBLEM WITH such commissions is that, like automatic stabilizers and backstop rules, they reduce the power of elected officials and therefore make our government somewhat less accountable to voters. Larry Diamond of the Hoover Institution at Stanford puts it this way: “There is something undemocratic about entrusting the formation of big policy decisions to expert commissions.” And yet he also goes on to note that “the process is not less democratic than having nine unelected justices with lifetime tenure and no political accountability to anyone but themselves decide such basic questions as when a woman can have an abortion and where a child can go to school.” He concludes that, despite the risks, rising polarization justifies the increased use of these types of commissions.
As the debt-limit experience vividly illustrated, by polarizing ourselves, we are making our country more ungovernable—and no one has come up with a practical proposal to deal with the consequences. I wish it were not necessary to devise processes to circumvent legislative gridlock, but polarization isn’t going away. John Adams may have been exaggerating when he pessimistically noted that democracies tend to commit suicide, yet, as we are seeing, certain aspects of representative government can end up posing serious problems. And so, we might be a healthier democracy if we were a slightly less democratic one.
Peter Orszag is vice chairman at Citigroup and an adjunct senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. This article appeared in the October 6, 2011, issue of the magazine.
33 comments
Are commissions really the perfect fix? Leaders could appoint gridlocking members. Consider GOP appointments to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. I would say that some national policy referendums could also do good. We could get rid of the high-end Bush tax cuts that way.
- darklayers
September 16, 2011 at 9:09pm
I don't know, Mr. Orszag. In some sense we really do need less democracy. There are way, way too many levels of government that every citizen has to keep track of and elect candidates to fill. In that sense, a surfeit of democracy is a glut that paralyses the thought process of even the most earnest of our political watchers--the politicians themselves. Think about federal public comment periods, local school board meetings, and state referenda you have failed to keep up with. People mainly elect politicians to take care of these mundane things so that they can live their lives. In some sense, you should be worried about both disillusionment in government and the decrease in party registration. As people pull themselves out of established political organizations that promote education and engagement, they lose a tangible link to shaping government and any particular reason to follow its course. The more that government fails to live up to a common-sense consensus, the more disillusioned these people get. However--and this is a big however--even a successful reformist push that limited the role of politicians in government by reducing their input and ability to logroll or cynically stop governmental legislative action would still not solve the central problem of your essay. Our goal is to allow Washington to "do the basic, necessary work of governing". At no time has it been plainer that the "our" in the sentence is restricted to the Democratic Party and an insignificant minority of Republicans (count the number of people caucusing for Huntsman to have some idea). At no time has it been more obvious that the Democratic Party wants to govern at the federal level to promote the common weal and is willing to do whatever the centre of American public opinion dictates. At no time has it been more obvious that the Republican Party's overriding goal (after, say, tax cuts for the rich) is to reduce the role of the federal government and hamper whatever inalienably federal priorities you promote so earnestly. It's not even close. Abolishing the EPA, Department of Energy, Department of Education? These are the same people who say they want to shrink the government by depriving it of tax revenue to such a size that they can drown the federal government in a bathtub. Finally, at no time has it been more obvious that if we were simply to lock Congress's doors to prevent Republicans from entering and required unanimous consent on behalf of the Democrats who remained, the Democratic Party would have internal politics aplenty that steered it to propose and legislate reasonably centrist laws. Moreover, it would dispense with the important problems you raise and do so in a much more responsible fashion--for example, passing full year appropriations instead of continuing with periodic appropriations bills. Perhaps I'm dissembling a little: it was most obvious during 2009, when the major motions in Congress centred about getting the Democratic Senate delegation to hammer an agreement on what could pass unanimously. Note that unless you take care to eliminate the significance of Republican opposition (in favour of prolonging this economic deterioration through the 2012 elections in particular and centrist, left-leaning, or even just generally rational policies in general) you will get situations like Bowles-Simpson, when Republicans decided a bipartisan debt proposal was dead because it modestly increased tax incidence on the rich. As long as Republicans can band together to block things (like the Financial Crisis Inquiry's report) and people don't hold them accountable because so much is going on, then you haven't solved our problem but you have reinforced people's disdain for democratic participation.
- chaitless
September 16, 2011 at 10:35pm
And what do we need in order to take these decisions away from Congress? Congressional approval. And so we end up where we started. Congress has, historically, given up power over details routinely and handed it over to the executive or independent agencies. On domestic policy, we see this in the expansion of the administrative state. On foreign policy, we see this in open-ended war authorizations. In all cases, this was done not because, or only because, it was seen as good policy but good politics, and I don't foresee today's radical GOP agreeing to automatic unemployment expansion or a more progressive tax code or any measure that could result in independent, sensible, but, in their eyes, liberal policy decisions being dictated by a faceless, nameless, unaccountable bureaucracy. No, we're dealing with an IPAB = "death panel" sort of mindset. So, I'm afraid that these ideas, while sensible, seem dead on arrival. I've got a big wish list too.
- JakeH
September 26, 2011 at 12:49am
Blah, blah, blah... Polarization is not the problem. "Polarization" is nothing more than a pejorative description of a state of affairs wherein there are two or more parties possessed of starkly contrasting visions of the collective good. There is nothing wrong with that, per se. In fact for a society to be able to survive the coexistence of parties with starkly contrasting views is a sign of health, and the peaceful struggle between such opposing viewpoints can itself be highly fruitful. The problem, rather, is a rule-bound, byzantine political system that requires a legislative supermajority for action coupled with a politicized judiciary protected by lifetime appointments. There's the additional problem, almost certainly not fixable, of equal representation for all states in the Senate such that a resident of Wyoming has 80 times the influence in the Senate as a resident of California and infinitely more than a resident of Washington DC who has none at all. In other words, the problem isn't too much democracy, but too little. As I mentioned, the non-proportional representation in the Senate is not fixable, but other aspects are. For starters, we need to blow up the filibuster. It has long outlived its usefulness. In fact, the only reason the filibuster has survived this long was the historical artifact of the northern labor Democrat and southern segregationist Democrat coalition that dominated American politics for the first two-thirds of the 20th century. With such an artificial supermajority, the legislature could accomodate the filibuster and still get things done.
- AaronW
September 26, 2011 at 12:51am
we need some national referendums...
- darklayers
September 26, 2011 at 4:52am
We are heading for the dumpster. We can only envy Rome whose decline and fall took five centuries and included many amusing leaders and fun times at the colosseum. This silly article just shows how dire things are when someone proposes major governmental changes that can only be enacted by a legislature that can't even do regular business anymore.
- paskunac
September 26, 2011 at 6:44am
So Democrats should support inflation (last week's article in TNR) and less democracy (this article). What's next, support for a one child per family policy? I think Adams may have been linking suicide with an upper case, not lower case, D.
- rayward
September 26, 2011 at 7:49am
Christie's suicide denial trumps Sherman, and he's still being touted by desperate Repubs. What we need is not less democracy, but less democracy as described by private political clubs (parties) which have appropriated the process almost completely.
- Robert Powell
September 26, 2011 at 7:56am
For those with short memories, recall Orszag's sage advice to Obama in his first article in the NYT after he left the Administration. That's right, he advised Obama to extend the Bush tax cuts.
- rayward
September 26, 2011 at 8:01am
What Orszag is advocating is the transfer of even more power to well born and wealthy self selected governing elites -- you know, people like him who after pricey private school and Ivy League schooling move without effort back and forth from powerful non-elected positions in government to extreme wealth in huge private sector corporations like, for example, Citigroup (whose bail out, continuation intact, and unindicted senior executives constitute a national scandal). For starters, as a credential Mr. Orszag should disclose his Citigroup salary and perks. Yes, Mr. Orszag, democracy is messy and many of the people involved are not of the sort you would invite home for dinner. But the alternative as both a practical matter and from an ethical point of view is far worse. The notion that there is some correct social policy that every enlightened person knows to be correct is simply absurd, and the notion that an unelected few should lord it over the rest of us (even the nut jobs in the Tea Party movement) is abhorrent. What we need are better leaders and more articulate and well organized spokesmen for the public interest willing to fight it out in the light of day. Turning things over to the bankers and bosses of big business and mammoth institutions has never been a satisfactory solution to any of our problems, and surely never will be.
- PeteBeck
September 26, 2011 at 9:51am
"Are commissions really the perfect fix?" Would commissions being less than perfect mean that they're useless?
- sighthnd
September 26, 2011 at 10:08am
There is one thing that would tamp down the polarization, even if it does not eliminate it, getting rid of plurality voting. Instituting pairwise-ranked voting would result in voters electing someone representing the median voter of the entire electorate rather than the median voter of a subset when the deciding subset is becoming ever more from the extremes.
- sighthnd
September 26, 2011 at 10:29am
Certainly would be useful to go around the systematic filibuster of judges nomination.
- Jeshan
September 26, 2011 at 10:33am
I'm with rayward - this guy has done nothing but dog his former boss and lick Republican boots. How's that Fox gig treating you Orzag?
- WandreyCer
September 26, 2011 at 10:46am
PS. PeteBeck for President.
- WandreyCer
September 26, 2011 at 10:47am
Ya wohl, Orszag ist richtig. And he has done much to make it come about. And he'll get lots more non-democratic results when his anti_Keynesian economic policies and that of his former boss, Repubs, and Blue-Dog type Dems really kick in. Hopefully sooner than later. So that as many as possible (including BHO) can be challenged and replaced by 2012. If not, both EU and the US are likely to get Orszag's wish. Krugman thinks that will happen without suffering another Benito or Adolf. Yeah-right. It can't happen here or there -- or in Beijing or Moscow when their economies also collapse. Sorry, I forgot-- they already have their Fuhrer's-- all they need is the economic collapse. For which BHO of course is in no way responsible and will act dramatically to prevent in the future as he has in the past 2 years.
- drofnats1
September 26, 2011 at 12:16pm
Second PeteBeck's nomination. I think others above are on to something: private little clubs, tightly knit "two party system," filibuster, super-majority rules, all these can and should be fixed. But, making the US less democratic? Placing more trust in arbitrarily assigned "commissions," ie ruling cliques? Automatic triggers that will no doubt automatically hit the wrong targets? Please.
- Sophia
September 26, 2011 at 4:17pm
Oh while I'm at it, national referundums, why not? We have computers now, why can't we use them? Also, enough with the "electoral college." This non-democratic institution gave us Duyba. Imagine where we'd be had the popularly elected Gore been President instead. I think we'd be in a very different place, myself. Finally, ridiculous "news" and other media. Free speech is one thing, corporate-sponsored propaganda is something else. We have a perfect storm of money, misinformation and power and people are worried about too much democracy?
- Sophia
September 26, 2011 at 4:21pm
" We have a perfect storm of money, misinformation and power and people are worried about too much democracy?" Absolutely right, we don't have too much democracy, rather not enough. To the extent that ordinary citizens are actively involved at all levels in responsible positions of power, the less danger there will be that irresponsible self centered elites or nutty quasi-populists will prevail. I don't have any of how to get there, but I'd like to see the federal government run more along the lines of my Town in Connecticut, socially and politically conservative but in many ways a liberal's ideal with enough boards and commissions and town meeting slots for everyone to participate and learn about acting responsibly, resulting in excellent public services and recreational and health facilities and very good (not excellent, but we're working on that) public schools. Democracy does work if given a chance -- Adams was wrong.
- PeteBeck
September 26, 2011 at 5:11pm
I'm glad to see so many people rejecting this nonsense. The real issue, as others have pointed out, is too little democracy - we have supermajority rules for debating bills, arcane legislative processes in the Senate and all manner of chicanery concerning legislative committees. And I second Sophia's suggestion that we should do more direct democracy with the Internet. I'm quite surprised that this idea doesn't come up more often.
- tealeaves
September 26, 2011 at 5:28pm
We haven't had "democracy" in America for quite some time. It's simply a plutocratic ponzi scheme in which the higher-ups have placated us below into thinking they're doing right by us by shifting nearly every aspect of our society towards a corporate state. The fact that a corporation like Halliburton has more "rights" than your or I simply exhibits the state of affairs. The Dems simply kowtow to a slightly lesser degree to corporate/elite interests than say the GOP. Here Orszag claims more committees are what we need and more studies for committees to produce. Which is just a polite way of saying much about nothing and doing little to nothing. We don't need another commission to tell us the shit has hit the fan and the current "structure" is broken.
- singlspeed
September 26, 2011 at 5:53pm
Was it Dewey who said that the cures for democracy's ills are more democracy? The problem, it seems, is that with political and therefore economic power in fewer hands, we're getting the illusion of democracy rather than the real deal. A mere five of those few granted corporations -- legal fictions, mind you -- First Amendment rights. Incumbency rates in Congress make change nearly impossible. I wonder if term limits, for federal judges as well as members of Congress, would be a good place to start. Oh ... right.
- gkjames
September 26, 2011 at 6:25pm
Although I largely agree, Mr. Orzag is missing a crucial point - commissions require some sort of nominating structure. The reason why BRAC works so well is that it generally made up of retired military brass. Which in addition to being military (and hence harder to filibuster) are generally non partisan and non ideological. Look at our nominated positions today - numerous judgeship's are unfilled, two members of the FOMC are unfilled, and I believe the entire IPAB is unfilled. Clearly if we had simple majority in the Senate things would be better more often, but I see no reason to expect anytime that the opposing party has control of the Senate (whether through a filibuster proof minority, or with a flat out majority) to approve nominees. Unless we can a way to move forward in divided government (which I think is stupid in the first place, let a party implement their agenda, and if its not popular let the other party do it), we are going to perpetually have this problem going forward
- CAinDC
September 26, 2011 at 6:40pm
I just thought it a stupid idea for the politics, but PK completely emasculates the poor fool: "The point is that what we need are the right ideas, not the right sort of people. Madmen in authority come in all forms, and the dignified men in suits are often no better than the rabble-rousers."
- rayward
September 26, 2011 at 8:44pm
What we are seeing in Orzsag's prescription that the "cure for democracy is less democracy" is the other side of the coin of growing calls for the formation of a third political party to undo the gridlock of the other two. We are also seeing the confirmation of Walter Lippmann's prediction nearly 60 years ago that enfeebled government would inevitably lead to centralization of control as democracy gave way to dictatorship. "It is possible to govern a state without giving the masses of the people full representation," wrote Lippmann of the rise of collectivist governments of the right and left in the 1920s and 30s. "But it is not possible to go on for long without a government which can and does in fact govern. If the people find they must choose whether they will be represented in an assembly which is incompetent to govern, or whether they will be governed without being represented, there is no doubt at all as to how the issue will be decided. They will choose authority, which promises to be paternal, in preference to freedom which threatens to be fratricidal. For large communities cannot do without being governed. No ideal of freedom and of democracy will long be allowed to stand on the way of their being governed." Don't tell me that the Tea Party Republican Party and the oligarchs and plutocrats who finance it haven't been using Lippmann's observation as their operative principle all along as they've brought our government to a halt over the past 3 years of a liberal Democratic administration offensive to it. And now we have elites like Orzsag sending desperate signals in calls for third parties and less democracy that they think democratic politics is problemmatic and the country is becoming ungovernable. Lippmann too worried that "Jacobin" revolutionaries just like Tea Party Republicans had made democratic politics with its "traditions of civility" impossible and he too looked at a stronger executive as the solution. But Orzsag's idea plays right into the hands of an authoritarian radical right that has always understood that by making politics impossible the public would turn to the kind of government conservatives like best, which is strong dictator-like executives in the mold of Cheney and George W. Bush who believe that what an American Empire needs most is a real emperor able to make decisions with speed and dispatch and without interference from either Congress or the Courts.
- TedFrier
September 27, 2011 at 6:20am
Let me just add that while I am sure Peter Orzsag is well meaning and the problems of gridlock he lists are real, we need to be showing why the deliberate polarization brought on by a radical right dominated Republican Party is a threat to democracy when it makes a virtue of standing on "principle" and refusing to compromise. We don't need to be lending the radical right a hand by dismantling democracy ourselves.
- TedFrier
September 27, 2011 at 6:27am
Technocratic commissions are weighted in favor of conventional thinking. They consist of the well-paid hired hands of the Establishment, insulated from economic reality. Orszag, scion of the comfortable upper middle class, is vice-chairman of Global Banking at Citicorp. Would Orszag give meaningful roles to liberal economists like Paul Krugman or Jared Bernstein or Dean Baker on his commissions? "Too much democracy" and paralysis have resulted from the Tea Party, a charity of the infamous Koch brothers and other reactionary rich.
- amidut
September 27, 2011 at 10:22am
If anything, the gridlock Orszag attacks here is a symptom of too little democracy, not too much. What's the democratic justification for a filibuster that's become essentially a 60% requirement for passage of any law? What do the electoral college and the committee system do to increase levels of democracy in the US? Then again, it's a popular meme that "the people" are weak and irresponsible, as epitomized in the Lippmann quote cited above: "They will choose authority, which promises to be paternal..." - "they" being "The people," as context makes clear. But then again, when have the people ever been in charge?
- whyamihere
September 27, 2011 at 10:23am
So Orszag, the Vice Chairman of Global Banking at Citigroup, thinks we need less democracy. What a surprise. The banks think we need less democracy. But of course they do, since, as Ron Suskind reports, otherwise the democratically elected chief executives of the government might do things like--break up Citigroup. But then, course, those decisions can be ignored by the banking industry's control of the Treasury Department. Is Orszag moonlighting for the Tea Party's publicity operation? Because this plays right into their hands.
- cokorinos
September 27, 2011 at 10:45am
Orzag is not really proposing significantly less democracy. He's suggesting making a few things automatic, turning a few things over to commissions or agencies, etc. We already turn a ton of stuff over to independent agencies or the executive. Congress long ago handed the administrative state over to, well, the administrative state. We also have unusually strict rules about what Congress is forbidden from doing, even if the majority wants it. This is nothing new, nor should it be troubling to anyone who thinks that democracy is the worst system except for all the others. Why is everyone here hysterically getting on Orzag's back for proposing, say, automatic unemployment extension? Orzag likes the IPAB, a/k/a "death panel." Don't we like the IPAB too? I guess I didn't get the memo on Orzag. I agree that the filibuster is a big problem, although that's easy to say until the shoe is on the other foot. Still, I can't make a prinicpled argument for it. The only time when it would be worthwhile is if it were to serve as a counter-balance to the Senate's disproportionate make-up. But it can't do that systematically. It will only do that in some cases. In others, it will exaggerate the problem. So, yes, best to get rid of the damn thing. But even if we got rid of the filibuster, it wouldn't help much when there's a Republican House, as there is now. Putting that issue aside, aren't the agitators for more democracy ignoring a key point in Orzag's article? That the crazy nutjobs are doing what their voters want them to do? Yes, he frames it in non-partisan terms, and it's a partisan issue. Only one side is dominated by crazy nutjobs. Nonetheless, the point remains that the radical GOP is responding to what their idiot voters want -- democracy in action. Perhaps we Democrats, or liberals, or whoever we are here, should really come to terms with the unpleasant reality that people, generally speaking, or woefully ignorant, and they're often scared, stupid, and angry too -- genuinely so -- and they certainly lack any sophisticated understanding of economic issues. Someone above was going on about Der Fuehrer. But the right-wing movement in Germany was popular, and Hitler's rise was enabled by direct popular appeal to the disaffected public -- scared, stupid, angry -- and some surprising and helpful election results for nationalists and the Nazis in particular. A few others were agitating for more referendums. Because they always result in enlightened, intelligent policy decisions. Oh, wait. See California -- an absolute mess due to the wonders of direct democracy. I, for one, don't want Joe Jackass running my country. If I did, I'd vote for him. Republicans have been doing just that.
- JakeH
September 27, 2011 at 2:04pm
Orzag's proposals are an abdication of responsibility to lead, and based on a faulty reading of the causes of governmental inaction. As others have said, the true cause of recent governmental dysfunction is Congressional inaction due to the super-majority requirement in the Senate. If that had been fixed in Obama's first term, many of the excellent bills that the House did in fact pass (with relative ease) would have become law and the ACA would have passed much more quickly--allowing Obama to be seen as a stronger leader and to focus his attention on other pressing matters, including the economy.
- polcereal
September 27, 2011 at 5:17pm
Again with the filibuster gripes. Have you no memories? Ted Kennedy almost singlehandedly held up much Repub-supported legislation when the Dems were in the Senate wilderness. Really want to end it? If the Repubs take the Senate again - a solid bet right now - you'd beg for the filibuster. But no, you all gripe because it wasn't removed during the Dem moment. C'Mon! A bit shallow, don't you think?
- ds111
September 28, 2011 at 10:50pm
Rayward, PeteBeck, Sophia!, drofnats!, so glad to see you all, and many others here reject Orszags argument. Orszag is showing his colors by arguing essentially for more centralized and unaccountable power, frustrated that the majority disagrees with him. As far as the PK reference, I'd agree on the right ideas, except that I find PKs ideas repulsive. Oh, well. The paired voting, non-plurality election idea might work, and might encourage additional non major party candidates. Referenda and Internet voting sound good, but are also what the senate is intended to discourage - momentary passions. The central government is not weak, as Lippmann was concerned about, but perhaps too strong - the wealthiest counties in the country ring DC, full of supplicants and those who would bend centralized power to their will. It is tis centralization of power that is the main threat to our democracy.
- ds111
September 28, 2011 at 11:24pm