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POLITICS MAY 30, 2008

The Battle of the Blogs

As anybody with high-speed Internet knows, MyDD and Daily Kos sit at the top
of the liberal Netroots movement, which over the last five years has made
astonishing strides in its campaign to transform the Democratic Party into a
hard-fighting, proudly liberal, and, most importantly, victorious entity.
Though their websites offer distinct communities and commentaries, and though
they have very different
personalities, MyDD founder Jerome Armstrong (a former astrologer) and Kos's Markos Moulitsas (a former Army man) have always
gotten along--the two co-authored a 2006 book, Crashing
the Gate
, about the rise of their movement. Their bond has been rooted
mostly in common foes: Republicans, namby-pamby Democrats, the Iraq War,
divisive "identity politics," and the centrist Democratic Leadership
Council. But the harmony that existed between MyDD and Kos
since the birth of the Netroots no longer exists today, and a bitter
internecine struggle within the progressive blogosphere is to blame. Just as
bilious in tone as previous fights with Republicans or Joe Lieberman, it has
revealed fault lines in the movement that will be tough to cover back up. There
have been charges of misogyny and of bullying, and some longtime members have
walked away from their cause altogether. And what's at the heart of it all is
that most loaded of questions: Barack or Hillary?

 

The
Netroots have been arguing about the 2008 campaign since the day after John
Kerry lost, but the debate turned ugly when
Armstrong revealed his vote in the February 12 Virginia primary. "In the
end, what compelled me to vote for Clinton was looking at someone that seemed
practical about the battle we have on our hands and looking ready to engage in
the fight," Armstrong blogged
that day. "I'd rather be part of the fight than be told to stay on the
sidelines because I'm too partisan."  

Armstrong had long voiced concerns that
Obama's campaign was too personality-driven and too reliant on the votes of
Independents and Republicans. But his official endorsement made readers go
ballistic. "Voting for the DLC candidate makes you part of the
fight? Come on," wrote one commenter. Another suggested, "If you
aren't a part of her campaign, you really oughta try to sign up and get some of
those $$$ while you can"--a dig at Armstrong's past campaign work for politicians
like Howard Dean, Jon Corzine, and Mark Warner. A group of far nastier comments
were deleted. 

At Daily Kos, commenters were ripping
Armstrong to shreds. One user wrote, "MyDD
isn't even a pro-Clinton site these days. It's just a toxic waste dump
dedicated to throwing slime at Obama and hoping it sticks. … I know that Kos
and Jerome are friends and partners, but it's perhaps time for Kos to reconsider linking to MyDD from the DK blogroll."

Clintonites and Obamabots were ferrying
between the two sites, "recommending" posts sympathetic to their
favored candidate (thus ensuring more prominent placement on the page), and
brutally attacking one another in the comment sections. In late March,
Armstrong, upset by name-calling between Clinton and Obama supporters on MyDD,
barred new user accounts on the site for a week. The sense of betrayal among
fellow Netrooters after his Clinton
endorsement was palpable. Armstrong was backing a candidate who, as Chris Bowers,
another leading lefty blogger, wrote on Open Left, hadn't
fully rejected the DLC, hadn't opposed the Iraq war from the start, hadn't
offered overwhelming support for Net Neutrality, and hadn't campaigned in small
caucus states. That Bowers' list read like the table of contents of Crashing the Gate made Armstrong's
endorsement sting even more.

The fight got even weirder in April,
when the Huffington Post unearthed
an audio recording of Clinton
berating the Netroots at a closed-door fundraiser. "We have been less
successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the
Democratic Party," she said. "They know I don't agree with them. So
they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people
who actually show up to support me." But Armstrong shrugged the incident
off, just like he has shrugged off all the other harangues he has fielded the
last couple months. "Anybody that's got a tape recorder can make news,"
he told me. "I don't really care about that quote." But what about
the "citizen journalism" and "people-powered politics" he
had spent years championing? "I tend to be contrarian," Armstrong
said. "It's a trait that I have. Clinton
has had plenty of bashing out there, and I think Obama gets way too much slack."

 

Moulitsas
has been happy to do the Clinton-bashing. Straw polls conducted among Daily Kos readers throughout the
primary cycle consistently showed Clinton
with less than ten percent of their support. Earlier in the campaign, Moulitsas
flirted with endorsing Chris Dodd or John Edwards, but he took the temperature
of his readers--and the Democratic electorate--and went with Obama in late
March. (Moulitsas did not respond to interview requests for this article.) The
day he did so, Armstrong wrote a long post about the lasting damage Reverend
Wright was doing to the Democratic Party.

Kos's endorsement capped a difficult
period for Clinton
supporters on his site. On March 14, about 75 pro-Clinton Daily Kos diarists,
feeling besieged, had proclaimed a "writer's strike" in protest of
what they claimed were widespread instances of misogyny and general
intemperance from Obama supporters. "The straw that broke this camel's
back was when I put up a post about
International Women's Day
," explained "Alegre," who led the
Daily Kos boycott. "The usual suspects just came in and started crapping
all over it." She told me, "I don't want to be a part of Daily Kos
until they change their tone and start supporting all Democrats."

After announcing her departure from the
site, Alegre was the subject of insults by dozens of commenters. Moulitsas fumed
on the site's front page
, "People expect me to give a damn that a
bunch of whiny posters ‘go on strike' and leave in a huff. When I don't give a
damn, people get angry that their expectations aren't being met." Of
course, characterizing Clinton supporters,
especially female Clinton
supporters, as "whiny," didn't sit well with many. A Maryland mother of two
in her mid-40s, Alegre said she won't publicize her real name because she fears
harassment from anti-Clinton bloggers and commenters.

There's no doubt that the tone of the
Netroots' Clinton-bashing has veered rather far from policy substance. After
the Huffington Post scoop, Daily Kos
front page writer Dana Houle wrote a bizarre diary
(one he didn't post to the homepage) recounting how his impressions of Hillary
Clinton had changed since 1992, when he saw Bill Clinton give a speech at the
University of Michigan. "It was the night I learned the term MILF, and it
was applied to Hillary Clinton," wrote Houle. In the same post, he
described seeing a couple in the crowd at the Clinton speech engaged in a sex act. Later
Houle, who is 43 and was once  chief-of-staff for New Hampshire Congressman
Paul Hodes
, brushed off the suggestion that sexualizing Clinton had been inappropriate. "Some
people will look for a reason to be outraged no matter what," he explained,
telling me that most of Clinton's
support in the liberal blogosphere comes from marginal writers.

 

The
Netroots has always had a hostile streak, and it's natural that as the
Democratic Party and the Netroots themselves began to wield more power, some of
that hostility would be directed inwards. Its denizens are also a relatively
homogeneous bunch--largely male, middle-aged, college-educated, and upper
middle class. The Democratic Party is a diverse coalition reliant on African
Americans, single women, union members, and Latinos. Compound that demographic
gap with the impersonality and frequent anonymity of the online world, and it seems
inevitable that feelings would be hurt, and that some progressives would feel
unwelcome in the clubhouse.

Armstrong sees no permanence in the
ruptures that have emerged--both he and Moutlitsas stress that they have
remained friends throughout the campaign. Armstrong has seemed to accept Clinton's inevitable
defeat, writing about his hopes that she uses her political capital
to push for reforms in the Democratic primary process that would decrease the
influence of caucuses. For Armstrong and Kos, with
the primary all but over, everything is approaching normal again.

"I don't think division within the
Netroots is all that big of a problem in terms of unifying the Party,"
Armstrong says. "The people who participate in the Netroots are the most
loyal Democratic voters. It's other voting blocs that are more problematic."

And while he's right that people who
spend a lot of their discretionary time on progressive websites aren't likely
to abstain or vote for Republicans, he may be too cavalier about the toll of this
struggle on his movement. "I've always gotten the impression there that
women didn't really hold a high place in their heart," Alegre says,
referring to the male leaders of Daily Kos. "I'd go back. But I don't know
if I'd be welcome after the stink I caused."

Dana
Goldstein is a staff writer at The American Prospect.

By Dana Goldstein

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Alegre would be welcome back had she not gone on O REILLY to complain about Kos. Noone begrudges her her support for Clinton in the end but that appearance was unforgivable from the Netroots point of view.

- benjaminomeara

June 2, 2008 at 12:20am

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I started reading Kos and MyDD when I was 19, a freshman in college. I stopped reading them when I was 20. Just a matter of time before all that bile got them.

- cooper

June 2, 2008 at 1:41am

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BLOG FLAME WAR IGNITES OVER CLINTON, OBAMA--Feelings Hurt. This is news? C'mon Franklin, get a grip. The answer to too much blogging, not enough reporting surely ain't reporting about blogging. I've said it before: kick the kids out of the office with a notebook, a phone card, and a laptop with its modem removed and tell 'em not to come back without 700 words of hard news and at least 2 named sources.

- Aaron Walton-aeromonas

June 2, 2008 at 9:09am

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The Liberal blogs, especially DKos, are generally the land of the vile and uncouth. Some of the foulest language, sentiment, and political philosophy are the toxic air of these sites. Imagine the old Village Voice on steroids and blared like a demented form of Radio Free Europe: That's your Netroots at work. It reminds those of us who are former Democrats and now die-hard Independents that the creepy Left has taken over the party. Fortunately, these political fools support candidates who don't have a prayer. The fate of the Netroots is the kind of balkanization that is typical of left-wing politics. Where an underlying philosophy is lacking, petty bickering fills the void: That's the future of your Netroots.

- EMD

June 2, 2008 at 9:25am

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Goldstein spelled nutroots wrong. Do you guys need a good copy editor over there?

- Jaibones

June 2, 2008 at 9:28am

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Interesting that you don't point out that MyDD has become nothing but a place for the most racist hate-speech on the internet posted by people posing as liberals. Any honest comparison of DailyKos and MyDD over several months would show that Kos has run a far more tolerant and fact/content-based site.

- Rowena

June 2, 2008 at 10:29am

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When I hear Clinton suppporters complain about the cultism or sexism or hostility of Obama supporters, and when I hear my fellow Obama supporters marvel at the bigotry or dementia displayed on MyDD and Taylor Marsh, I can't help but think that these impressions of one's opponents are an artifact of the blogosphere, the message of this medium. In truth, they create a kind of sampling error. Those who post the most vituperative comments are not representative. Talk radio provides a precedent. Kos risks becoming the Limbaugh of Obama supporters. Taylor Marsh already is the Limbaugh of Clinton supporters. In my early 20s, I used to listen to Limbaugh thinking that I was doing my own personal opposition research, when in fact all I was doing was getting hooked on outrage. It was cathartic, in a way, the chance to rant and fume at Limbaugh's excesses and follies. Then I married a woman whose father is a thoughtful Republican of the Giuliani mold, a lapsed Democrat whose apostasy was provoked by the various scourges (economic, pharmaceutical, criminal) that blighted New York City in the 1970s and 80s. Now there is almost no one with whom I would rather talk politics. We mock each other's opinions and try to score rhetorical points, and even hope to persuade each other of our views, but it's in the spirit of respectful debate, and we both have learned a thing or two from each other over the years. The blood pressure stays low. The blogosphere, with its intemperance, its immediacy, its anonymity is an invitation to demonize.

- Nippers

June 2, 2008 at 11:31am

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I have supported the Democratic Party for years, both financially and as a volunteer working to get out the vote in my precinct, poll-watching, etc. I stopped contributing and volunteering when the Colorado Dems nominated an anti-choice candidate, Bill Ritter, for governor. I voted for Ritter, as I will for Obama, but that's all I will do. Feminists are a crucial constituency for the Democratic Party. Failing to respect us will cost the Dems in the long run and the short run, too. Obama has some work to do to compensate for the behavior of some of his most fanatical supporters.

- Connie Boyd

June 2, 2008 at 12:28pm

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You are too generous to alegre, who was frequently dishonest, refused to discuss requests for factual corrections, and had been extensively criticized for gratuitous and racist attacks on Obama. Kos is well rid of this sort of fake Democrat.

- mlgallagher

June 2, 2008 at 3:09pm

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You could have written a very similar article in 2004 about the the Clark/Dean Wars. Truly something to behold, and one of the reasons I take none of this seriously now.

- Chris C

June 2, 2008 at 3:23pm

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No big loss.

- creepy democrat

June 2, 2008 at 5:36pm

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This article reminds me why I never started reading either of those stupid sites.

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June 2, 2008 at 6:12pm

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Kos needs to get over himself. For evidence, witness his recent rant where about the DNC Blogger Corps. I guess he thinks that as king of the netroots, he should have had veto power.

- Tedski

June 2, 2008 at 7:02pm

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oh come on, benjaminomears, this isn't kos- you can't get away with factually inaccurate statements like that. alegre didn't appear on o'reilly - there was an oreilly show where he mentioned the strike, and he had a liberal female guest, but it wasn't alegre. that was just your paranoia playing tricks on your mind, sorry kid.

- campskunk

June 2, 2008 at 7:46pm

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That is a lie. She NEVER went on O'Reilly. Prove it.

- sickofit

June 2, 2008 at 9:03pm

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She isn't dishonest. You're the liar.

- sickofit

June 2, 2008 at 9:43pm

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It's not surprising to see the left wing cultists split into two factions and turn their venomous smear machines on each other. No room for diversity of thought there. Moderates have always known the nutty segment of the left is every bit as bigoted as it regularly accuse the right of being, and now they've taken over the party. We're going to need a name for them. i propose: neocrats. These people are ready to start punching each other over two presidential candidate contenders who each make W. look like a rational, intelligent, sane person. Which he always has been.

- Jeremiah Pfleger

June 2, 2008 at 11:01pm

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Connie B, what exactly does Obama have to do with Ritter or 'the behavior of some of his most fanatical supporters'? What work does he have to do to 'compensate'? Maybe surviving a scorched-earth campaign against a candidate with a very similar voting record who continues to divide the party should suffice. Sit on the sidelines if you want but don't complain if we get McSame and Roe v Wade is overturned.

- dude

June 3, 2008 at 3:18am

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God I love it when they "eat their young". Until the Democratic Party completely disavows these neo-marxist nutjobs, they can't be seriously considered for running anything.

- Mike

June 3, 2008 at 8:41am

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To paraphrase the subtitle "Will the article about Daily Kos and MyDD have less impact than its author realizes?"

- NY Dem

June 3, 2008 at 11:05am

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Hey, I can't stand either of them (the candidates or the blogs) but I can say that I do read both. The vitriol from the Kos Kids is far and away more vehement than anything I've read just about anywhere. They are some of the worst haters to be found in the blogosphere.

- John

June 3, 2008 at 9:52pm

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