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NOVEMBER 5, 2008

The Nixon-Obama Debates

In 1960, John F. Kennedy attacked the incumbent Republican administration for allowing the Soviet Union to open up a "missile gap" over the United States. The gap turned out not to exist. But it put the young, inexperienced Massachusetts senator on the political offensive and positioned him to the right of his more experienced Republican foe on the central foreign policy question of the day.

Barack Obama has pulled off the same feat in this election, with an unintentional assist from John McCain. Since September 11, 2001, the threat of Al Qaeda and Islamic radicalism has dominated the foreign policy debate, and, on this question, Republicans have dominated Democrats, just as they did through much of the cold war. Obama may be winning primarily due to the economy and the unpopularity of President Bush, but the more surprising and historically significant thing about this election is that he has managed to stake out the more hawkish ground on fighting Al Qaeda.

How did the GOP lose its most potent and unassailable political asset? It goes back to July 2007, when The New York Times reported that, in 2005, the Bush administration had aborted a mission to capture senior Al Qaeda members in Pakistan, to the frustration of many intelligence officials and members of the Special Operations Forces. A month later, Obama gave a foreign policy speech in which he lambasted the administration for a "terrible mistake to fail to act." Obama warned, "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

Obama's threat received little attention until he had established himself as the all-but-inevitable Democratic nominee. McCain, seeking to define his opponent as a foreign policy naif, began warning that America could not "risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate who once suggested bombing our ally, Pakistan." In reality, Obama had advocated not bombs but special forces operations. McCain saw it is an opportunity to cast Obama as a total ignoramus--the fool doesn't even know Pakistan is one of the good guys!

Senior editor Jonathan Chait discusses this column with TNR editor Frank Foer:

The issue would barely have made a ripple in the campaign had not one audience member at the second presidential debate asked the candidates if they would violate Pakistani sovereignty to pursue Al Qaeda. Obama replied, "If we have Osama bin Laden in our sights and the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to take them out, then I think that we have to act, and we will take them out. We will kill bin Laden, we will crush Al Qaeda. That has to be our biggest national security priority."

McCain could have agreed with Obama. But he seemed determined to play the part of the foreign policy graybeard correcting the arrogant young upstart. So McCain, while noting parenthetically that he, too, would use troops "where necessary," insisted that the key thing was to work with Pakistan. McCain fairly sneered, "He said he wants to announce that he's going to attack Pakistan. Remarkable."

While there's no precise way to measure how this specific exchange went over with the public, some things are clear. Opinion polls showed that debate viewers deemed Obama the winner. Thirty-four percent told a USA Today/Gallup poll that the debate made them view Obama more favorably, while only 12 percent said they viewed him less favorably. The reaction to McCain was diametrical: Twelve percent saw him more favorably, 33 percent less favorably. What's more, a ABC News/Washington Post poll following the debate found that McCain's advantage on handling terrorism, once 20 points, had dwindled to six.

Not long ago, it was simply assumed that terrorism would be a massive political advantage for Republican presidential candidates for the foreseeable future. That any Republican, especially an experienced war hero, would find himself outflanked on this question by a Democrat--let alone an inexperienced Democrat with a Muslim-sounding name--would have defied imagination.

Like the missile gap controversy, the Pakistan dispute is largely a political show. (McCain has admitted he'd use force to capture Al Qaeda agents in Pakistan, rendering his complaints against Obama farcical.) But it does stand for a genuine schism between the two parties and their ideological tendencies. Conservatives are fixated on the role of states. "Terrorists cannot operate without the succor and protection of governments," wrote Charles Krauthammer not long after September 11, 2001. "The planet is divided into countries. Unless terrorists want to camp in Antarctica, they must live in sovereign states." President Bush declared that, henceforth, all nations would be deemed with us or against us, and those in the latter camp would be invaded.

This line of thinking led directly to the invasion of Iraq. And, during most of the Bush years, conservatives viewed their greater willingness to fight conventional wars in the name of fighting radical Islam as a sign of their seriousness about the threat. Radical Islamic terrorism was an existential threat, not merely a criminal nuisance. The fundamental divide between right and left, as they saw it, was that only their side understood that this was a War.

But, over the last couple of years, less and less of this bluster has emanated from the right. Al Qaeda has fled to a semi-autonomous region that defies easy with-us-or-against-us categorization. Conservatives have reverted to their default fixation with states. McCain called Russia's invasion of Georgia "the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war." What about September 11, Islamofascism--you know, the transcendent cause of our time? McCain and conservatives still care about that. But their focus has already turned to Russia, Iran, China, and other nasty governments across the globe.

You can care about both radical Islam and the traditional great power struggle, and both McCain and Obama do. But you can only have one first priority. Obama (rightly, I think) considers the prospect of terrorists acquiring a nuclear weapon the highest potential threat. Thus he places more emphasis on securing Russia's cooperation in locking down fissile material and pressuring Iran to stop its nuclear program, while McCain gives more priority to confronting and isolating Russia.

Fortunately for Obama, Americans still consider Osama bin Laden enemy number one. If McCain wanted to run against Russia, he should have run for president 48 years ago.

Jonathan Chait is a senior editor at The New Republic.

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This article originally ran in the November 5, 2008, issue of the magazine.

 

 

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What?!!?? Chait lauds JFK for positioning himself to the right **with a lie**?! Chait will lambaste any republican with cries of "lying liars telling lies" who so much as misstates the date; but JFK and lying - what, is that just "politics?" *********** oh yeah, there was some sort of article that followed, huh? Piffle. The candidate who waxes poetic about not forcing out will on other countries and who will restore our lost standing with the world through sincere dialog and understanding - you truly believe he would violate Pakistani sovereignty? Can't have it both ways.

- reb

October 27, 2008 at 1:27am

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I enjoyed the article, but I think the opening for Obama was the fact that retribution against Al Qaeda is something the world understands (including us), as opposed to the invasion of Iraq.

- Nusholtz

October 27, 2008 at 8:11am

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For years, Democrats railed against Dick Cheney as a "chickenhawk". Given your article about the hawkishness of the Obama-Biden ticket, how is it that Joe Biden - he of the 5 student deferments to get out of serving in Vietnam - isn't similarly considered a chickenhawk? It's remarkable to me that in these difficult times, the Democrats nominated a ticket without a single day of military experience. I think it's the first ticket since 1940 with no military experience. They talk like they're naive, because they are.

- Proud Citizen

October 27, 2008 at 9:11am

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Let's wait and see if Obama agrees with Barney Frank to cut the Defense Budget by 25% before we start talking about him being "hawkish" shall we? I think I can guess what the answer will end up being.

- Mike

October 27, 2008 at 10:33am

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I doubt that either candidate will want to engage Pakistan's military, but if we do in fact have actionable intelligence AND if the Pakistani's refise to (or cannot) assist in a mission to deliver a blow to Al Queda in Pakistan, then we must, in the first case (refusal) treat Pakistan as a state sympathetic to terrorists, or in the second case, quickly act with or without Pakistani approval (preferably with). To act otherwise would be to grant the terrorists safe haven in a "sovereign nation." Obama's position on this matter has been guided by his reasoning mind, not by the niceties of protocol.

- Frank Dixon

October 27, 2008 at 11:53am

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"It's remarkable to me that in these difficult times, the Democrats nominated a ticket without a single day of military experience. I think it's the first ticket since 1940 with no military experience." Onlyif one accepts the premise that 2 years hiding out from the draft in the Alabama National Guard qualifies as "military experience."

- Django48

October 27, 2008 at 12:13pm

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Barack Obama’s spending and taxing plan is easily subject to quantitative analysis. The average tax to each household making over $250K is about $650,000 (divide the 2 percent of households that make over $250K, of the 100 million households who file returns, into Obama’s $1.3 trillion spending plan). Let’s call these people the slaves for the obvious reason. Each of the slaves carries about 50 people who we will call the sponges for the obvious reason (2 percent is 1 out of 50). Suppose each slave earns $120 per hour (equals $250K per year working 40 hours per week). Then each slave works 5,416 hours per year, or 135.4 weeks, for the sponges (divide $120 into $650,000). Each slave works 108 hours per year for each sponge. We can see right away that Obama’s tax plan is not workable as he presents it. There are only 52 weeks in the year. The slaves would have to work 83 weeks of overtime paying the sponges before the slaves could start earning money for themselves.

- Rod

October 27, 2008 at 1:16pm

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reb, the context for this column is about the structural imbalance Republicans seemed to have enjoyed after 9/11, and during the Cold War, which at least they thought amounted to exclusive ownership over toughness with the electorate. So, to a large extent, these are debates about perception within those boundaries, not policy. Chait here is simply noting how Obama has managed to defuse and overcome his opponent's nominal starting advantage on national security issue in this context, just as Kennedy did. That's not to say dramatic policy issues aren't at stake - but this is a column about his tactically outfoxing McCain, or at least McCain’s failure to understand how he was being baited into a zero-sum political loss. In policy terms, Obama does not support the Bush National Security Strategy, he rejects bare exceptionalism, and has a different approach to democracy promotion. However, as the column notes, Obama and McCain are effectively identical on the hypothetical situation posed where Pakistan has failed along with all options short of force. But as a consequence of Obama being prepared to stake out a strong point of differentiation around this scenario, it effectively baited McCain into attacking Obama on the issue. That McCain took this bait meant he was forced to launch his attack from rhetorical territory where his party and he himself are significantly less uncomfortable and less credible, namely soft power, and it also meant Obama gained stature as hawkish in voters’ minds. In policy terms, Obama isn't abandoning his emphasis on the deployment of effective soft power to make this claim - as the scenario is, by its nature, entirely contingent on exhaustion first. That is the political beauty of it – it’s specific case, which falls well below the rigidly doctrinaire hawkishness outlined in neo-con foreign policy writing. So Obama can still voice robust criticism on that kind of approach as incoherent exceptionalism. But it also offered a tempting target for McCain to attack in public statements. Unfortunately for McCain, he took the bait, because it is really a non-issue which was always going to be hard for him to get traction on, and it has the added benefit of reminding voters about Republican failures to kill or capture OBL whilst being pre-fixated in Iraq.

- Will

October 27, 2008 at 1:34pm

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i am just wondering--did chait support nixon's invasion of neutral cambodia's "parrot's beak" area because that's where the nerve center of the enemy was or did he consider that a dangerous violation of international law likely to expand the conflict? pakistan has nuclear weapons. how far do we want to go to see if it has people in power ready to use them? and if special forces in pakistan is a good idea, is this something we want to play close to the vest so that pakistan can help us gloss over any such use of our soldiers in afghanistan (as mccain advocates), or something we want to play up before the whole world as the main tenet of our afghanistan policy (as obama advocates)? obama may have made a smart political play here, but is the peace-left going to like it if obama actually carries out his more hawkish policy. more important, will the peace-left like the possible consequence of that policy--an expanded afghan war? i digress, but that also has me thinking, is the peace-left going to like obama moving troops from iraq to afghanistan and expanding the war there, which will inevitably lead to more afghan deaths at wedding parties and more maimed non-combatants. are we headed, a la lyndon baines johnson, to future chants of "hey, hey, obama, hey--how many kids did you kill today"? we'll see. keevan d. morgan, chicago

- keevan d. morgan

October 27, 2008 at 1:43pm

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Kerry said the same things 4 years ago. This is not the issue that is helping Obama win.

- phargle

October 27, 2008 at 1:58pm

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First ticket since 1940 with no military experience? Well, Bush-Cheney in 2000 and 2004 had Cheney with multiple Vietnam deferments and Bush who never served a day overseas or even a day on active duty. Gore and Kerry both served in Vietnam. Voters seems to care little about military experience - they voted twice for draft dodger Clinton over two real combat veteran war heroes - Bush I and Dole, just as they selected chickenhawks Bush-Cheney over Vietnam Vets Gore and Kerry. The same thing appears to be happening this time as well. With the draft fading into distant history, perhaps the fact that only a small percentage of the middle class serves in the military means such service is no longer a requirement, or even an assist, to political life.

- AK Wilks

October 27, 2008 at 2:03pm

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reb- Check out Saletan on Slate today for another take on our current bombing campaign in Pakistan. Proud Citizen- Remind me again where POTUS or Cheney served?

- jcooney

October 27, 2008 at 2:06pm

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This article was a great read. My only beef was here, where I sort of gasped as I read: "President Bush declared that, henceforth, all nations would be deemed with us or against us, and those in the latter camp would be invaded. This line of thinking led directly to the invasion of Iraq." It doesn't seem to me that it was the 'line of thinking' that the Bush Administration decided to present to the American public (that being, 'you're with us or against us,' etc) that resulted in the invasion, but rather that 9/11 presented the administration with a convenient excuse to invade. The administration obviously thought that the war would go much differently than it did, but the idea that we can take Bush's pre-written speeches as the actual train of thought that lead to his policies seems absurd.

- Thelonious Nunc

October 27, 2008 at 2:22pm

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Hey Proud whatsit I can answer your question. Why is Dick "other priorities" Cheney a chickenhawk and Biden not? Simple - because to be a chickenhawk you need to have two attributes - the lust to send other men out to die in war and the refusal to do so yourself. Biden may have the refusal, but he lacks the vocarious thrill of getting other people to fight for him that Cheney has in such bloody abundance.

- Realist

October 27, 2008 at 2:33pm

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When will you dopey liberals get over JFK?

- Dano

October 27, 2008 at 2:37pm

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Cutting the massive $650 billion military budget (and the budget for the wars is $200 billion per year ON TOP of that) is a must. The U.S. cannot afford that level of spending forever without raising taxes significantly. Cutting $650B down to $400B can be done while doing a better job capturing terrorists, and making America safer than it currently is. You can't tell me the U.S. cannot make itself safe for "only" $450 billion. The U.S. spends more on its military than every other country in the world COMBINED. Don't get dollars confused with effectiveness.

- Scott

October 27, 2008 at 3:26pm

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Proud Citizen "I think it's the first ticket since 1940 with no military experience." You're not really counting Bush's part time service in the national guard as military service are you? Are you counting Gore as a journalist? I don't understand how important this military service thing can be if so little is required.

- Nusholtz

October 27, 2008 at 4:31pm

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First, regarding Proud Citizen's comment of "It's remarkable to me that in these difficult times, the Democrats nominated a ticket without a single day of military experience. I think it's the first ticket since 1940 with no military experience.", I'd like to point out that you don't need to know how to fire a rifle in order to be a good leader. This notion that a candidate can't be a wise and careful leader without having gone through boot camp is a persistent, yet erroneous, myth. Furthermore, we don't seem to require this same standard for the other departments under the president's control. We've elected countless presidents who have never worked as a courier for the State Dept., a park ranger for the Interior Dept., or an armored truck driver for the Treasury Dept. The president doesn't (or, at least, *should* not) try to dictate military tactics or strategy. The president's job is to set political, diplomatic, and national security goals and, sometimes, he/she chooses to achieve them by asking the Defense Dept. to play a role in that. This fetish about military service needs to be overcome. I would *much* rather a candidate have spent 4 years studying economics, finance, sociology, and international business than to have spent 4 years cleaning their rifle, eating MRE's, and shooting people who don't look like him.

- jemenake

October 27, 2008 at 7:51pm

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In the clip you are discussing the different styles of making decision. Quick, but with a high frequency of errors (McCain) and Slow, but good decisions (Obama). In my mind, there is NO DOUBT at all which of those styles are best suited for making foreign policy decisions. Why? Because the desired effects of most foreign policy decisions are typically very long term. Because foreign policy decisions frequently have wider reaching implications than one may first think. Only very rarely do you have to act almost immediately, and even in those situations you ARE probably rewarded for thinking things through carefully. After 9/11, Bush invaded Afghanistan less than a month later. As far as invasions go, that's almost immediately. Without too much diplomatic effort Bush could easily have made the invasion a UN led effort, but it ended up being NOT EVEN a NATO led effort. It became a US led effort (even the other NATO countries insisted that the 9/11 attacks were covered by Article 5 in the treatice, calling on the other member states to help) Does this matter? Of course! Even if you have a clearly defined new enemy that you would like to crush, there simply is no logical reason to distance yourself from your friends as you are taking out the enemy. Some more thinking in the aftermath of 9/11 would have been a very good thing.

- Nemis

October 27, 2008 at 7:56pm

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During the cold war, the Republicans could always rely on the "Which party will keep you safer from that big, looming menace?" argument to work in their favor. This was made pretty clear during Bush #1's term, when the Soviet Union collapsed and, suddenly, without a red menace to point to, the nation suddenly didn't require the protection of a Republican president quite so much, and Bush #1 found himself out of work after just a single term. I don't think the gravity of this fact was lost on Bush #2. Republicans know very well that, politically, they benefit much more from an Osama Bin Laden running around loose than they do from a dead/captured one. Now, I'm not going to actually *argue* that the Republicans are *purposely* deciding not to act on chances to capture/kill Osama (I'll leave that for you to decide if they're that self-serving). What I *am* saying is that Republicans get more votes when voters feel that there's a scary "boogie man" out there... and I'm also saying that the Republicans are fully aware of this. Draw your own conclusions. That's why I'll find it very interesting, indeed, if Obama becomes president and *does* manage to capture/kill Bin Laden. Unlike the fall of the Soviet Union (under Bush #1), this would be a *Democrat* catching the bad guy... and so the Dems would finally be able to actually assert, in public, that the Republicans aren't *really* trying to *catch* the bad guy because they know it would cause the nation's focus to turn to domestic issues, where the Republicans have a harder sell. I also find it interesting that, this time, the boogie man is "terrorism" in general. In the cold war, it was the Soviet Union, and there were plenty of impossible-to-mistake signs (fall of the Berlin wall, elections in the former soviet countries) that the bad guy had been slain. This time, however, there's no wall to see torn down as evidence that terrorism is vanquished, so, short of having Bin Laden's head on a pike, no amount of success will be seen as undeniable victory. (This also has to do with why I can't stand declaring "war" on anything that can't surrender... be it poverty, drugs, or terrorism). So, the Republicans have picked a better boogie man, this time but, hopefully, a President Obama can capture/kill Bin Laden and the Republicans will be left looking like ineffective old white guys.

- jemenake

October 27, 2008 at 8:20pm

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"McCain called Russia's invasion of Georgia "the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war." What about September 11, Islamofascism--you know, the transcendent cause of our time?" I think you have missed the main point of your article. The 9/11 attacks were not an international incident, they were transnational.

- Peter Fitzgerald

October 27, 2008 at 9:38pm

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Great article. I especially enjoyed the little zinger at the end. The Republican move has always been to embellish any and all challenges until they reach that level of threatening our very existence. McCain does this with terror, Russia, Iran, then paint Obama as a pussy if he doesn't see it the same way. His policy toward Pakistan is clearly the smart policy, and McCain agrees. Its just a matter of how they talk about it. McCain would have been better off agreeing with Obama and trying to play it off as if the policy was his idea. Now he does look a little softer than Obama. Isn't it great how things work out? For once, the Dems aren't getting screwed by terrible political maneuvers.

- Dan

October 27, 2008 at 10:21pm

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I think there is half a chance, well something less than half, that Obama will seek to be quite militant in prosecuting the war against Al Qaeda. After all he has seen first hand, in the Nation of Islam, the threat posed to the secular left. Yet, just as JFK set the stage for the takeover of American democratic liberalism by the Europeanized left through his flawed conception of the stakes and struggle in Vietnam, so too it is likely that Obama's conception of fighting Al Qaeda solely in Afghanistan will lead to the capitulation of the secular left to militant Islam. After all, seen not in terms of the domestic political tactics, but in the cold light of geopolitical realities, isn't Obama's war in one country a strategic misjudgment orders of magnitude greater than the Bush administration's judgment about the military firepower required to subdue Iraq. Is it not ludicrous to suggest that we can successfully prosecute a war in the central Asian interior without overland supply routes through Pakistan. And isn't it ludicrous to expect that Iran will be quiescent on their eastern border relieved of pressure on their western border? And isn't it ludicrous to the expect that Western Europe will put up with a strategic folly for long?

- joebek

October 28, 2008 at 12:00am

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proud citizen: Have you read Dick Cheney's bio. He is a chickenshit chickenhawk. You can spin it any way you want, but a wussie who seeks (and obtains) five draft deferments, despite his "support" for the Vietnam war, obtains a congressional job that entails spying on anti-war activists is an immoral, cowardly s.o.b. But I suspect you are one of those more-patriotic-than-thou jingostic conservatives, who supports "muscular" foreign policy and a large and strong U.S. military, as long as you don't have to risk your pathetic life.

- tec619

October 28, 2008 at 3:15pm

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Cheney and Bush and Quayle and George Allen and Rush and Phil Gramm and Saxby Chambliss and Trent Lott etc are called chicken-hawks because they supported the Vietnam War and used all methods possobielt oavoid going.

- Jeff Clark

November 1, 2008 at 6:17pm

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