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Go Home Time's Up

NOVEMBER 19, 2008

Time's Up

BY ZVIKA KRIEGER

ALISO VIEJO, CALIFORNIA--Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minuteman Project, lives in a one-story home in a gated community in Orange County. On a late August afternoon, the 59- year-old former accountant invited me into his backyard, which is strewn with potted plants, blue-and-white pinwheels, and a ladybug wind chime. "There are some Pakistani immigrants that live over there," he says, pointing over his fence, "and a nice Japanese family, and a Taiwanese family that lives around the corner. It's a great neighborhood."

Gilchrist, who has spent the past four years of his life trying to keep immigrants out of the country, is an unlikely booster for ethnically diverse neighborhoods. But, these days, it seems he would rather spend time in the company of immigrants than with his fellow anti-immigrant crusaders. "I get more hate mail from members of my own movement, from so-called Minutemen, than from the open-border people," he confesses. The only border that he regularly visits is the one between his own yard and his neighbors'. "I'd be wary of going down to the border myself these days," he says. "I'm worried about what [the Minutemen] would do with a sidearm."

This was supposed to have been a good year for Gilchrist and his Minutemen--not one where their guns were drawn on one another. Last November, Michael Barone predicted on RealClearPolitics that 2008 would be a "watershed" year for immigration, with candidates that take a liberal stand sure to find themselves "out on a pretty flimsy limb." Pundits labeled the presidential nominating contest the "Lou Dobbs Primary," with both CNN and NPR devoting a disproportionate amount of time to the issue in their early debates. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter ran almost solely on the strength of their hard-line immigration stances, and even John McCain briefly flirted with "secure our border first" rhetoric.

But, after clinching the nomination, McCain became more moderate on the issue, and immigration became one of the few issues over which "obama [and] mccain [are] in agreement," as a Los Angeles Times headline declared earlier this year. The downturn in the economy further diverted voters' attention. Asked to rank the importance of immigration alongside seven other issues in a Gallup poll in June, voters ranked it dead last.

In this environment, Gilchrist's movement is falling apart, overtaken by new members whom he describes as "troublemakers with personality disorders and criminal propensities." In contrast, he insists that the group's original members were able to give voice to the immigration concerns of ordinary Americans because they demonstrated "a passionate allegiance to the United States of America and its priceless principles." There is no doubt that the Minutemen--aided by sympathizers in the media like Lou Dobbs--drove the national conversation in 2005. But whether the enormous wellspring of American anger over illegal immigration that they claim to have tapped into actually existed is another question.

Passing beneath a tulip-decorated sign that reads, "welcome friends," Gilchrist takes me into his dimly lit garage, where he has hung a collage of blurry photographs. Gilchrist spent 13 months as a Marine infantryman in Vietnam, where he received a Purple Heart. "Here we are hiking through the Laos border," he says, pointing at one of the photographs. "This guy was killed by a sniper. ... Not a day goes by that I don't think about my time there."

Gilchrist's experience in Vietnam helped him organize a small army of volunteers to fan out across the Arizona border with Mexico in search of illegal immigrants in early 2005. For his border patrol, Gilchrist rounded up six pilots, three airplanes, a fully staffed three-bed hospital, two rifle- wielding recon units of former Marines and Army Rangers ("which I handpicked"), two armed sentries, and hundreds of ground troops looking out for figures in the night.

Though the group fell far short of the "potentially several thousands" of volunteers it boasted in press releases, journalists showed up to watch in droves--there were, in fact, so many of them that, during evening patrols, Minutemen confused reporters with immigrants trying to cross the border. Dobbs hosted a number of segments with the group's leaders, and, at a rally near the border, Tancredo sung the group's praises: "You are heroes, with each one of you representing hundreds of thousands of Americans."

The press eagerly latched on to the Minutemen as representative of those hundreds of thousands of supposedly angry Americans as the battle over comprehensive immigration reform heated up on Capitol Hill. "The majority of Americans are fed up with illegal immigration and want something done about it, " declared Bill O'Reilly, who hosted Gilchrist numerous times. "Three cheers for the Minutemen!" Sean Hannity, toting night-vision cameras, went on border patrols multiple times with the Minutemen, trips he then used to scold McCain, one of the bill's primary backers. "It's a devastating problem down there," he told the senator.

Minutemen today fondly reminisce about this brief, golden period of influence. Luca Zanna, co-founder of the Mohave County Minutemen, breathlessly recounts the time he spent on the border with Gilchrist and his fellow activists. "That spontaneity, that independence--it was beautiful," he says. "When you control the show, you decide what will be on the show. We had that for a moment."

After we leave his garage, Gilchrist gives me a tour of his house. The kitchen counter is piled high with copies of his 2006 book, Minutemen: The Battle to Secure America's Borders (co-written by Jerome Corsi, author of the recent bestseller The Obama Nation). As we talk, he fidgets with his cordless phone as if awaiting an important call. But the only one that comes in during the course of our two-hour conversation is from his mechanic. "TV has dropped off, radio dropped off a bit, newspapers quite a bit," Gilchrist admits. "Nobody cares about immigration anymore."

By 2007, Congress had failed to pass a comprehensive immigration reform bill, and press interest in the Minutemen began to ebb. Its 15 minutes of fame up, the group splintered as a result of ego-driven battles between Gilchrist and the group's other founder, Chris Simcox. Gilchrist is locked in a battle over control of the group stemming from allegations that he misappropriated $400,000 in donations. Simcox closed chapters and fired leaders in a half-dozen states last year after they questioned his management and financial accountability.

This year, there has been more evidence that, while immigration remains a legitimate issue, the supposed nationwide furor was a product of media hype. With the congressional debate over and the press increasingly ignoring the Minutemen, most Americans are professing moderate views on the issue. As of June, the percentage of Americans who want to reduce immigration levels has fallen within a percentage point of the 20-year low, while 64 percent of those polled say that immigration is a good thing for the country (the second-highest it's been since September 11). Even on Super Tuesday, the height of the presidential primary, exit polls found almost 60 percent of Republican voters favoring immigration policies that Lou Dobbs would deride as "amnesty."

Gilchrist, of course, doesn't see it this way. The original Minutemen weren't some radical fringe creating anger and fear where none existed. They represented mainstream America and the defense of the American dream. "Bring us your tired, your hungry, your poor--legally," he says, narrowing his steely blue eyes as if at imaginary illegal immigrants.

But even Gilchrist, sitting at his kitchen breakfast nook with pie-wielding Mammy salt-and-pepper shakers and a tablecloth decorated with Sambo-style figures eating watermelon, has concluded that most of the people left in the anti-immigration movement are "xenophobic, racist, schizophrenic, wackjob ne'er- do-wells." He's having a difficult time raising even half the money he raised in 2006. And his legal budget, which he was saving to fight "organizations that were violating [immigration] law," has been tied up with cases against members of his own movement, amounting to over $200,000 in legal fees. His most recent suit was against someone using the Minuteman name to release a video "encouraging people to shoot illegal aliens to death with a rifle and bury their bodies in the desert." He wears a bulletproof vest at public events to protect himself from his own onetime supporters.

Gilchrist, his face leathered from spending days under the scorching desert sun, takes a drag of a Pall Mall cigarette as he ponders the unforeseen turn his movement has taken. "Twenty, forty years from now, my name may pop up in the history books. It may say, 'He was all wrong--Loon Gilchrist, he caused this,'" Gilchrist says. "Or because of what I did, 'He preserved our strength as an economic and world power.'"

But it's more likely that Gilchrist and even his breakaway followers will end up causing nothing at all. Enrique Morones, the founder of the San Diego- based immigrant advocacy group Border Angels recently arranged a 300-person prayer vigil for supporters of immigrant rights. An urgent "call to action" by the Minutemen yielded only one counter-protester.

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It would be easy to tell if immigrants were legal. Fine the employers heavily when they hire them. We have the tools. Do this, illegal immigrant problem solved. Then do this: From Jim Manzi at Slate. Second, reconsider immigration policy. What if, once we had control of our southern border, we came to view the goal of immigration policy as recruiting instead of law enforcement? Once we established a target number of immigrants per year, we could set up recruiting offices looking for the best possible talent everywhere from Beijing to Helsinki. It would be great for America as a whole to have, say, 500,000 very smart, motivated people move here each year with the intention of becoming citizens. It would also do wonders for equality if they were not almost all desperately poor, unskilled, and competing with already low-wage workers. If we did this, wages for our unskilled workers would rise and maybe you would not need a college degree to make a living. Think what this would do for the inner cities, if there were livable wage jobs available.

- JohnB

November 11, 2008 at 7:50am

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Dear Readers, Clarification is necessary regarding the bogus claims that I had embezzled $400,000. This claim, as well as other similar claims, are outright lies deliberately launched over the internet and through the print media by the persons I am suing. The author of this article should have queried me for rebuttal about these false claims that keep popping up over the internet, or that are posted on unreliable propaganda sites like Wikipedia. There has never been any evidence whatsoever to support the bogus and sinister alegations of my accusers. I have had three CPA audits conducted on my organizations books; and the IRS has since granted me a 501 C 4 non-profit status. That is why I have the perpetrators in court. And they are why the minuteman movement lost its momentum. JIm Gilchrist, President and Founder, The Minuteman Project

- Jim Gilchrist--Minuteman Project

November 11, 2008 at 10:57am

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Yes it is a shame that Mr. Gilchrist has stopped to these levels to say these things about his followers. But had Jim taken the high road in actually taking time to be at the border along with his following he would not of ended up being on the outside of the movement. Jim has brought this upon himself, he has alienated everyone he meets within the movement and tries to make it all about “Jim”! Which it is NOT! His outrageous claims that he fears his followers is just another tactic of Jim’s to get the much needed attention he needs to be in the media. For 99% of the Minutemen & women in the movement it about protecting the country from people entering the country ILLEGALLY! That said maybe it is time for Jim to step aside and tend to his plants in the backyard now. I know many of Jim’s followers, and most of them are very loyal people, BUT they want things done their way, and do not want to work with other groups. In times like this that is not going to happen, they must unite to achieve the goal of securing America, but Jim sees it as a movement to get himself into politics! Which I personally believe he does not belong in. The last time Jim was at the actual border, his own people kicked his sorry Butt of the hill, and when he called the Sheriff about it the sheriff told Jim to leave the area and not come back! As any reader can see from your article, it still is all about Jim, and his desire to be in the headlights! Illegal immigration human trafficking and drug smuggling are still alive and well all along the border! We know it we reported 14 of these people this past weekend to the Border Patrol! Where was Jim? See, those of us who actually do spend time at the border know that this problem is not going away, nor is it decreasing in numbers at all. But lets make it very clear, Jim does not speak for all of the Minutemen, he speaks for his group only.

- Ken Dreger

November 11, 2008 at 11:02am

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How, pray tell would it be easy to tell whether someone was legal or not? Racial profiling? Making sure their closed matched properly and they weren't wearing soccer tishirts? Maybe everyone with a turban or a dashiki could be pulled over? Or wouldn't that be just another instance of minorities sacrificing civil liberties for society at large facing a percieved threat. Under documented people are not a threat, rather they are our families, our friends, our co workers, and our future. This was the deciding factor of our vote, and well, as you can tell from the story above, it seems to be moving along nicely to a welcome resolution. That is the lesson of this story, and this election. Believe me, in Houston, we do not have an "inner city problem" but rather, a model for the nation, but it definately involves college.

- jdcarteriii

November 11, 2008 at 11:04am

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I'd be more than happy to see the "angry white men" era of immigration policy come to an end. Manzi's on to something : Suppose we granted worker visas each year roughly equal to the number of immigrants already coming in, and made those visas open to nearly everyone and easy to renew. Then we could legitimately expect employers to hire only immigrants with visas, and we've given everybody involved an incentive to work with, not around, the system. Besides that we could more accurately track how many people are coming in and their activities (thus pleasing the immigration hawks). We'd also destroy the underground market of human smuggling that make crossing so dangerous. The more you actually spend time in Mexican-American communities, the clearer it becomes that they aren't out to take over our country and destroy our culture - they want to work, and most intend to (and do) return to Mexico. Whether they leave or stay, however, they ought to be seen and treated as human beings, not second-class citizens or "those people". We can't legislate progressive ideals into people's hearts, but we can at least reform our backwards system as a start.

- Casey W

November 11, 2008 at 12:27pm

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Thank god that's over with I can't think of a more pointless issue to get outraged about. I say we should open the border with Mexico and allow people to move across and work where and when they want. I imagine we'd see a lot more seasonal workers who would be able to return home when necessary. The current system is unrealistic and foolish - it's akin to abstinence-only education in it's lack of engagement with how reality operates.

- ligedog

November 11, 2008 at 2:04pm

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Krieger's doubts that enormous American anger over illegal immigration ever existed betrays a short memory. The immigration issue, in the form of New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's plan to give driver's licenses to illegals, was the iceberg that tore a hole in Hillary Clinton's titanic presidential campaign from which it never fully recovered. 75% of the residents of this most liberal of states opposed the Spitzer plan and helped plummet his approval ratings well before his patronage of interstate escorts was exposed. The financial meltdown may have pushed illegal immigration off the current political stage, along with stepped up arrests and deportations by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, but while most Americans favor LEGAL immigration, they remain opposed to ILLEGAL immigration. We are after all supposed to be a nation of laws, and it is outrageous that those who try to migrate here under established legal procedures are often stuck on 20-year waiting lists while those who sneak across our borders or overstay their visas are given winks and nods by corrupt politicians. The only Americans I know who favor ILLEGAL immigration are businesspeople looking to cheat on their payroll taxes and social service lobbies out to inflate their foundation and taxpayer grants by padding the rolls of those they can lavish their commercial compassion upon.

- nbarry

November 11, 2008 at 3:12pm

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'..he insists that the group's original members .. demonstrated "a passionate allegiance to the United States of America and its priceless principles."' Yes - in much the same way that the Blackshirts and the Brownshirts demonstrated a passionate allegiance to their respective nations and national principles (as they saw them, anyway).

- JohnR

November 11, 2008 at 4:45pm

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<> By having the employers check SSN's and other id's against government records.

- JohnB

November 11, 2008 at 6:46pm

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nbarry, you are right that millions of people have expressed vociferous opposition to "illegal immigraation." But Mr. Krieger's point is that people have been whipped up into angry opposition, and a belief that illegal immigration is a "crisis," by demagogues who have a vested interest in doing so. There is no "crisis." The net economic impact of illegal immigration is very likely positive. Undocumented workers pay taxes, are consumers, and are hard workers who provide needed labor. They are not generally entitled to government benefits, and to the extent they are (e.g., their children can go to schools in the U.S.), those costs are outweighed by undocumented workers' contributions to the economy. Absent the demagoguery, most people would not even be aware of illegal immigration, because it has no direct impact on their lives, except perhaps to lower the costs of goods and services. And if you want to start impugning the motives of those who disagree with you, consider the motives of those who vociferously oppose illegal immigration. There is no outcry about illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico and Central America. What does that tell you?

- dhurtado

November 11, 2008 at 8:07pm

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"There is no outcry about illegal immigrants from countries other than Mexico and Central America." We haven't had a bazillion Canadiens crossing the northern border, or hundreds or thousands or Europeans or Asian swimming the Atlantic or Pacific. It is at least possible that the economic plight or unskilled labor in this country would not be as bad if we didn't have a continual stream of unskilled labor willing to work at substandard wages.

- Kyle0103

November 12, 2008 at 12:48pm

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From Slate, Kausfiles: In March, we're due for a fight over reauthorizing the government's E-Verify system, which now screens one of 8 new hires for legal status. Obama has said he supports E-verify. Senator Menendez of New Jersey opposes it. ... The real objection to E-Verify is that it works, no? ... We can enforce our current immigration laws without racial profiling or trashing the civil rights of residents (legal or otherwise).

- JohnB

November 12, 2008 at 9:11pm

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There has been plenty of outcry over illegal immigration from predominately Muslim countries. And Obama's Kenyan aunt, fighting deportation after years of overstaying her visa, has drawn much attention. Once again, legal immigrants are welcomed by most Americans.

- nbarry

November 12, 2008 at 10:29pm

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dhurtado - clearly you are not keeping up with current events. Polls show that over 72% of Americans agree that illegal immigration is a serious problem, while only 14% of elected officals agree with them. THAT is the real breakdown. No one in the halls of power wants to rock the boat. Reasonable estimates put the cost of illegal immigration at over $338 billion dollars a year, which includes incarceration, education, health care and other social services, lost wages to legal US citizens, etc. Most of the money earned by illegals is sent home, not spent on the US economy, contrary to what you might believe. Furthermore what makes you think there is no outcry about illegals from other countries? Any group of illegal immigrants that live together for security, as most do, also become a haven for criminals from their home countries. It might be MS-13 from El Salvador, the russian mafia, chinese triads, etc., but these communities provide convenient cover for the worst of the worlds criminals, wether they want to or not. You seem to be seeing the illegals as just average joes that want to put food on the table, and I'm sure most of them fall into that catagory, but how much are we supposed to subsidize the worlds poor? As long as cheap, illegal labor is around, it will continue to depress our economy and keep wages artifically low for people that were born here or came here legally.

- Greg

November 13, 2008 at 12:02pm

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The people who most passionately disapprove of illegal immigration are the immigrants themselves. They would much rather be able to come here and work legally. The restrictive immigration policies of this country deny legal interaction between workers and employers -- many of whom hire recruiter to find workers in Mexico and Guatemala, smuggle them here and provide them with fake documents. The employers might have to pay workers minimum wage and treat them humanely if they were here legally. So remind me again, why is it the workers we throw in jail and not their employers?

- Viejita del Oeste

November 13, 2008 at 12:50pm

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I guess, Greg, that when you refer to "reasonable estimates" that you mean chain e-mails. Did yours have "14 Reasons to STOP Illegal Immigration, With Supporting Documentation & Facts." in the subject line, too? $11 billion to $22 billion for welfare plus $28 billion for education is estimated by the anti-immigration (legal or otherwise) Federation for American Immigration Reform. An estimated $2.2 billion for food assistance programs and $2.5 for Medicaid from the anti-immigration (legal or otherwise) Center for Immigration Studies was added right on top of FAIR's high estimate. Added on top of that is an estimated $90 billion "total cost of services and benefits provided to [immigrants (legal or otherwise)] for education, welfare, [and] general social services from a Lou Dobbs Tonight appearance by Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation. Fully $55.7 or $90 billion of the supposed $338 billion is the result of double- and triple-counting the health, education, and welfare estimates by three biased think-tanks. If you checked the "Supporting Documentation & Facts", you'd see that almost all of the supposed $55.7 billion is for all immigrants, legal or otherwise, and often includes costs of U.S. citizens who live in mixed-status households. I'm not as familiar with Rector's work as I am with FAIR/CIS, but he almost certainly includes costs of U.S. citizens who live in mixed-status households. "14 Reasons" adds $3 billion for incarceration costs based on $3 MILLION per day. How long does it take your planet to make a circuit around its star? Here on Earth, it's about 365 Earth-days, not 1,000. The $3 million per day comes from a widely-debunked report by LDT's Christine Romans. Romans claimed that "30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens. At a cost of $63 a day, taxpayers spend more than $3 million every day to house non-U.S. citizen dollars [sic] in our federal prisons. Most are thought to be illegal aliens." The U.S. Bureau of Prison's most recent inmate population report puts U.S. citizen inmates at 73.5%, and most of the others are thought to be in federal custody solely for immigration-related offenses. More than half of the supposed $338 billion is straight from Dobbs: "[W]e know the estimates by the most authoritative and recent study put the suppressed wages at $200 billion a year, as a result of immigration, both legal and illegal." (LDT, April 1, 2006 - 18:00 ET). Yes, "both legal and illegal" is in the transcript, and this is presumably referencing a report by George J. Borjas (Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at Harvard). I just Googled: Borjas "200 billion" and got a hit from Gilchrist's Minuteman Project. Sure enough: "Harvard economist Dr. George Borjas calculated that legal and illegal immigrants suppress wages by $200 billion per year." Again, "legal and illegal immigrants". People that attribute all costs of immigration to illegal aliens while pretending to love immigrants are despicable. Those that unwittingly pass on their L.I.E.S (Lies, Inaccuracies, Errors, and Slander) are just gullible or stupid. Which are you, Greg?

- 5thKolumnisto

November 14, 2008 at 4:45pm

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Kyle0103, there are in fact hundreds of thousands if not millions of "illegal" immigrants in the U.S. from eastern European countries. The fact that you apparently don't know that proves my point. JohnB, the objection to E-Verify, including by some state governments, is that it is not accurate and results in legal residents and citizens being harassed. You may disagree with that, but that is the reason for the objection -- not that it works. nbarry, I have not heard much outcry about immigrants from Muslim countries, but even if there were, that would further prove my point. There is no outcry about the massive illegal immigration from eastern European countries. Greg, I fully understand that a large portion of the population believes illegal immigration is a serious problem (though I don't know whether your figures are accurate). But my point is that most of those people are not personally affected by illegal immigration, do not know what its actual effect on the economy is, and have been misled by the Dobbs and Tancredos of the world. I will grant you that there is legitimate dispute about whether illegal immigration has a postive or negative net impact on the U.S. economy. And the data is no doubt manipulated in accordance with one's agenda. For example, I doubt there is any reliable data regarding "lost wages" to US citizens (I'm sure most employers of undocumented workers would argue that there is not an adequate domestic labor pool even at higher wages). And higher wages in the industries that employ undocumented workers would mean higher prices for goods and services. Does the data you are relying on account for that? As to the contributions that undocumented workers make to the economy, you simply sweep that away by stating that most of the money earned by undocumented workers is sent home. I have no doubt that many undocumented workers send money to their families in their home countries. But re you seriously arguing that undocumented workers do not pay rent, buy food, consume other goods and services, and pay taxes? Look, reasonable people can disagree regarding the precise economic impact of illegal immigration, and whether it is a net positive or a net negative, but there is no basis for contending that illegal immigration imposes and economic "crisis." People who believe that have been misled. The reason I think there is no outcry regarding the hundreds of thousands (and perhaps millions) of undocumented immigrants from eastern European countries is that I have not observed any such outcry. Have you?

- dhurtado

November 15, 2008 at 9:16am

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Jim Gilchrist left out one small detail. He's had his head handed to him by judges in EVERY one of the civil court cases he states he has his mutinous members in court on. Gilchrist and his PPPP organization (PICKING PATRIOTS POCKETS FOR PROFIT)have been judged harshly and had to pay out many thousands of $$ after he attempted to use the courts to stifle his members who exposed his corruption and theft. Jim Gilchrist was overcome with the euphoria and power of the patriotic donations he received. Donations intended to help secure our borders and expose corrupt hirers. Jim even had major cosmetic surgery to tweak his image. Did the doctor get paid out of those donations? Then, in a whorish P.R. stunt, he endorsed open borders advocate Mike Huckabee for President. Huck pushed forward instate tuition for illegal aliens while Gov. of Arkansas. And in short, Gilchrist sits at home most of the time, and pops up for a paid appearance every now and then. He is the prototype of the invisible leader. Real, unpaid leaders like Jeff Schwilk of the San Diego Minutemen, have exposed this media whore Gilchrist.

- Virginia Patriot

November 18, 2008 at 12:52pm

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Mr. Gilchrist, Please think of someone to file suit against for allowing the massive number of Illegal Aliens to continuing to flooding across the border. The invasion continues day and night - SEE THESE CURRENT VIDEOS........www.borderinvasionpics.com....

- borderdweller

November 18, 2008 at 1:32pm

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Zvika, I soon as I read your spin/opinion that the real Minutemen, that would not include Gilchrist, are anti-immigrant I discounted everything else you had to say/spin. The real Minutemen are married to immigrants, are of all races and many ARE immigrants. Tell the truth. Minutemen are against ILLEGAL immigration/migration.

- SDMM

November 18, 2008 at 1:39pm

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This "article" is 99% inaccurate. Jim Gilchrist is a failed leader of a small fundraising organization and was exiled out of the movement a year ago by over 85 anti-illegal immigration groups nationwide a year ago. Sadly, he's a fallen hero whose ego got in the way of teamwork to secure our borders and enforce our laws. The movement to secure America has grown to a giant nationwide crusade and has never been stronger. Asking Gilchrist about the groups that fired him is like asking any fired employee about his boss. Of course he is disgruntled and resorts to lies to express his anger. He's a sad little man.

- San Diego Minutemen

November 18, 2008 at 1:40pm

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Unlike the author of this article, I don't think the furor over illegal immigration has reached its high mark in the U.S. That will happen (if and) when real financial disaster strikes the locations where undocumented aliens are present in the largest numbers. Namely, big cities in California and Texas. When the bills finally come due and people have to start accounting for where all the money went, that's when illegals will have finally worn out their welcome. It's simple, American citizens usually vote in respect to what is in the best interests of their pocketbooks.

- SZinWestLA

November 18, 2008 at 5:50pm

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Ken Dreger, do you mean to say, that Minutemen, who don't live on the border ain't "real" Minutemen? What are we to do about the four that made it to town, for every one that was reported to the BP? There's plenty of Raza and Communist activity to oppose, witness and expose, far from the frontier. But, thanks for watching the fence.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 6:04pm

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jdcarteriii, The racial profiling rule (not really a law), is only a guidance and training to sensitize LEOs, when confronting people of diverse backgrounds. Racial Profiling laws don't apply to employers, as much as eVerify and the DHS I-9 Form. WTF are "Under documented" people? Are you afraid to say ILLEGAL ALIENS?

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:39pm

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Casey W, The problem with your idea is you expect illegals, drug traffickers, human smugglers, terrorists, etc., to follow the rules and get a passport, visa, and get in line. How is that supposed to work?

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:42pm

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ligedog, Look closely, the border is open, it has ports of entry/exit. The inflow of migration over it is regulated. Unregulated flow, over the border, would make as much sense as throwing open the gates at Disneyland, all weekend long, No more "Happiest Place on Earth.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:43pm

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JohnR, Yes, in order to be an American Patriot, and step forward to defend the American values and traditions, it seems one must become an "extremist". Something few sacrifice all they have, because the USA, still holds value in their heart.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:45pm

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dhurtado, your use of "undocumented workers", makes you sound like a Communist. Are you a Communist? My worry about undocumented alien, is they are here without permission, and they are literally "unknown". You see a person born and raised in the USA, is known, and is in the data base systems, documenting education, medical, employment, military, government, professional, character, and criminal history. Now consider for the next week that everyone you see, or who teaches, baby sits, crossing-guards, ice cream seller, vegetable handler, butcher, dentist, doctor, auto mechanic, etc., is an illegal alien. Sleep well. Also, as you say there are in fact hundreds of thousands if not millions of "illegal" immigrants in the U.S. from eastern European countries. The fact is there are tens of millions of illegals from Mexico, here. We'll deal with the problems, prooportionally to the contributions of national origin.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:46pm

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Kyle0103, you have no idea how easy it is for Canadians, to enter the USA, undocumented. Asians (Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos, Indians) too. Whether it is illegal immigration, bringing cheap labor into the USA, thus undermining the salaries of the American citizens who have progressed along their career path and earned higher pay; or the importing of skilled labor on the H-series visas, to work at lower salaries; or the outsourcing of labor overseas; or relocating the operations, engineering, manufacturing, etc., to an off-shore site, we the people are getting screwed in the global economy. SaveOurState.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:48pm

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Viejita del Oeste, You make some valid points. Immigrants who follow the rules only to have to wait in long lines, or be sent back, due to a decision of of an immigration employee, are the victims. Laws need to change how it works, but first, I would halt all Mexican immigration, and end aid to Mexico, until all illegal alien Latinos leave the the USA. See if Mexico, will fix their nation then.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 8:50pm

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Virginia Patriot, as an impartial observer, I'll say Jim Gilchrist, has only lost on defamation suits, thus far. The fraud trial is set for August, 2009, and may be tried by the same judge familiar with the defamation cases. There are many unanswered questions the trial should clear. The defamation cases, were an unfortunate occurrance. One, those involved, should not have persecuted Gilchrist, through the anonymity of the Internet, while he JG was legally gagged pending the fraud cases. Some of the behaviors were immature, and amounted to kicking the angry bull dog, on the short chain. I want to know about the inner circles of the JG-MMP, and now must wait until August 08. But, the year allows for discovery.

- BorderRaven

November 18, 2008 at 9:02pm

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One more example of an idea purported to originate in adherence to democratic principles (which one could question), that has apparently gone wrong. We do forget about the psychopaths among us. When a social movement, invention, principle, discipline, idea or anything else is created, those who do so 99.9 % of the time do so to further humanity, the good, and expect prinicples usually governing humans to prevail when the respective principle or idea is invoked. Examples: artificial intelligence, in vitro fertalization, prostheseses, psychological principles, recognition of imprinting to bond with full knowledge of those involved. Not meant for furtherance of human rights violations within and outside governments. Yet, it happens. Experiments on usual citizens expecting due process and rights yanked into prison communities and surrounded with artificial intelligence in the form of clones resembling loved ones, just to see what they will do. Surrounded with experimenters in faux workplaces to subject them to humiliations and 'stress tests.' For fun. Right here in the USA and other countries. Not the intent of the creators. In vitro fertalization used on drugged women by the new right (DV Shelter incident) for women not pro-life. It is difficult to think through what you think is a good idea at the time, until you imagine that idea falling into the hands of the psychopathic within systems, and outside them. Not pretty, but necessary. we have not yet figured out what to do about these. When will we?

- Teresa O'Brien

November 18, 2008 at 9:25pm

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Get a hold of yourself Perry Emerson. You really need to stop your lies about other "Patriot groups". You endorsed Mike Huckabee because he was the only one that would talk to you. You went against 85 independent minutemen groups who asked you not to endorse Huckabee. I have spent time at our border and only saw you at a couple events when there were "reporters" and as soon as you gave your speach, you were gone. You are only hurting the rest of the "Patriots" who are still at the border doing what you started out to do, but got lost in the amount of money your Minuteman Project collected, that never seemed to trickle down to those of us who were at the border. It's a shame that you continue to call us names because you no longer are recieving the huge donations that once came from our citizens who want our borders closed. Please "SHUT UP". I am wondering if this reporter knows who Enrique Moronass is? Someone who is a double agent for the mexican government. And Perry, the more you lie, the more you sound like Enrique.

- Sally Patriot

November 19, 2008 at 12:02am

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We like Jim Gilchrist!

- Ron and Angie

November 19, 2008 at 1:00am

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To all you rotten and jealous tight-assed girlie men out there! You know who you are! Here a real man (Jim Gilchrist) and true American (Vietnam Veteran) tried to start an honest and honorable movement to fight ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION when no one else had the intelligence to organize what Jim Gilchrist accomplished...THE MINUTEMEN PROJECT! Shortly after.. an entire pack of jealous and envious greedy minded idiots tried to hijack his organization right from under him! Why? Because Jim Gilchrist invented an organization that took off NATIONWIDE! It took off BIG TIME! The green with envy Girlie men couldn't handle that! Jim Gilchrist received all the attention that all the little tight-assed girlie men dreamed of! Jealousy and envy is in the heart of all the tight-assed girlie men that attack Jim Gilchrist with their pig tailed and barefoot drunken woman that follow the cheeky girlie men around. Thanks for destroying a wonderful movement Girlie Men! You think you have destroy Jim? No you destroyed yourselves and embarrassed yourselves! And most of all you hurt all Americans. Who in their right mind wants to try to help in any way after what the rotten girlie did to the Minutemen Project?

- J. Huey

November 19, 2008 at 1:15am

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Hear the latest from true leaders... daily, at www.cochisetalk.com We're "On the Border,and On the Case". Illegal immigration is the kingpin of many of our problems in America today. If we don't control our borders,(see www.borderinvasionpics.com), we're screwed. And by the way, according to the Center for Immigration Studies,the under education of most Mexican illegals is such that these people (20 million?) are not capable of earning enough money to support the public and private services they need, and use. It's a drain that is breaking budgets and closing down facilities. It is rather like working for Walmart, where many employees need public assistance just to get by, so we can have cheaper goods. In the end, it just doesn't pencil out. This is economics folks... not racism. Open border advocates have simply invited too many people to dinner. Let's take care of OUR citizens, first. Want to vent? Call our hotline at 1-800-531-4649. Say what you will, but at least insist that our current laws are enforced, obeyed, or... changed. That's the American way. Finally, the excellent organization Numbers USA just received a one million dollar donation, indicating that the fight to preserve our our country, constitution, and culture has steam. The movement has changed since 2005... it has matured. NOTE: PLEASE GOOGLE and SUPPORT JAMIEL'S LAW.

- Chuck Alton

November 19, 2008 at 9:54am

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Yes, he has a few stupid, ignorant followers left. Hero worship is a real phenomenon. Do you have PTSD also?

- Real Patriot

November 19, 2008 at 12:33pm

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This Ken guy is another money sucker from the MCDC. They're still trying to smear Gilchrist even after they stole the money. Pathetic.

- TurthAboutMCDC

November 19, 2008 at 3:45pm

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I like Jim. We worked the border - line all 30 days in 2005 Arizona. He's the guy who was given a national platform by his dogged determination to get Justice for murdered Los Angeles Deputy David March. Mexico ultimately caved to Jim's relentless pressure and turned over the murderer and he's doing life in prison. Imagine how David and his parents souls are at peace from Jim's battle to get to see that bastard prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! Here's a cool story he told me. Max, when I was 19 years old I was in Vietnam calling in air strikes against the enemy. "That's allot of power for a 19 year old kid." He's done one hell of a job, he's a legend, and I like his style. I'll continue to support him even if he makes some mistakes. But I still haven't seen his mistakes proven by his accusers. But who cares anyway - this is the return of the King Phillips War.

- Max CIRCA 1675 King Philips War

November 19, 2008 at 5:35pm

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Hey-nobody took the time to mention MY name. Remember me? Im the real founder of the Minutemen. I even took in millions in cash for a fence from you poor suckers ...uh, followers.....and any day now Im going to put up that high-tech Fomgard stuff too! Dont worry about lil Jimmy, hes old news. Im the one that sold the movement to Diener Consultants and Allen Keyes and made a whole lota money, and terminated followers when they started asking questions....gotta keep the troops in line, right? Hey Jim, maybe next year we can meet up and do a 'reunion-tour' down at the border. Hell Ill even see to it that ol Carmen gets a real haircut and bring her fat rear-end down to the fence and we can invite CNN and Fox news again! We can charge $50 a head just to attend, plus parking, plus background checks, plus t-shirts, plus $100 minumum 'donation' for that 'fence'. Ill split the dough with ya old boy, what do ya say? -Simcox

- Chris Simcox

November 19, 2008 at 9:48pm

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Jim Gilchrist is actively being sued by the Minuteman Project Inc. and the Board of Directors Members, Marvin Stewart and Deborah Courtney. There are several money judgments against Jim Gilchrist personally, with more sure to come. The claims of fraud against Jim Gilchrist are well established in the Orange County Court of California where they belong. Jim Gilchrist complains that the claims against him of financial misdealing and self-dealings are on the internet and blogs, yet they are held against him in the court of law. Jim Gilchrist has been ordered to pay money on judgments to those patriots who stood up for the rule of law and for the right of free speech and Jim Gilchrist is not following the rule of law. The hypocrisy of Jim Gilchrist is arrogant and demeaning to civilized people everywhere. 1. Call on Jim Gilchrist to PAY his NON-APPEALABLE COURT ORDERED JUDGMENTS against him, arising from his own greed and arrogance. 2. Call on Jim Gilchrist to OBEY THE RULE OF LAW and SUBMIT ALL FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS to the COURT as required by the rule of law.

- TruthBrigade

November 19, 2008 at 10:00pm

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Well, Gilcrist for all of his huffing and puffing lost in court today. In fact, he owes at least $50,000 in attorneys' fees to HIS OPPONENTS and the fraud suit is going forward against him. This fraud suit, which was filed by Marvin Stuart, a local African-American concerned about immigration, as well as others says that Gilcrist took a sum from Minuteman Project coffers. This without the board's permission i.e. Gilcrist thought he could rule like a dictator. It is sad that the TNR let Gilcrist's screed get spread out for the world. TNR should allow one of Gilcrist's opponents speak out as well so the world will know the truth.

- Gilcrist's Day in Court Today...

November 19, 2008 at 10:22pm

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Why yes (real patriot) I am ignorant and stupid and into hero worship because I hit a raw spot on your big fat floppy girlie rear! Is your PTSD caused by you being Jailed with Tyrone?

- J. Huey

November 19, 2008 at 10:50pm

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Gilchrist is no hero, and he did not do it himself, he depended on others to 'create' him. Talk to him for more than 5 minutes or a sound bite, and he is off the deep end like no one else.

- I know more than you

November 19, 2008 at 11:05pm

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Gilchrist is no hero, and he did not do it himself, he depended on others to 'create' him. Talk to him for more than 5 minutes or a sound bite, and he is off the deep end like no one else.

- I know more than you

November 19, 2008 at 11:06pm

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Well, after $40K in judgements against Jim in favor of the people he's sued I have a hard time believing anything the demonstrated liar and cheat has to say. Rather I look at his actions alone, they speak volumes of truth as compared to what comes out of his mouth.

- Benjamin Dover

November 19, 2008 at 11:15pm

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My concerns are for the 25 Americans that are killed every day by ILLEGAL ALIENS. Also, for the 8 American children that are molested each day by ILLEGAL ALIENS. I could care less about spotlight-grabbing grandstanders who believe it's all about them no matter which side of the issue they are on. I've done stints on the border & plan to do more until Osama Barak grants them amnesty/asylum. After that the murder & welfare rates will be so high that those will become America's biggest problems.

- Bobby

November 20, 2008 at 11:47am

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Now Jim isn't a bad sort per say. He just let you saps get too close to him. Now if you really want to join a group that disguises its hatred of the brown kind climb into a tan uniform and join the boarder patrol auxiliry. $50 background check, $50 to park, $100 to camp, spend spend spend. Yeehaw!

- BPAUX National Director

November 20, 2008 at 5:29pm

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BorderRaven: "Undocumented worker" is a term that is regularly used by DHS and by others in the immigration field. It refers to workers who do not have documenation authorizing them to work in the United States. I prefer that term to "illegal alien" because, though crossing the border without papers is illegal (it is a misdemeanor), people are not illegal, even if they commit illegal acts. You wouldn't call a US citizen who commits a burglary an "illegal American." He or she would be guilty of committing an illegal act, but they would not be an "illegal" person. I do not lose any sleep about the fact that there are undocumented aliens in the US. Most of them work hard and try to stay out of trouble. The last thing they want is to lose their jobs and/or be deported. I AM concerned about Americans who might mug me in the subway or break into my house. As to your fear that undocumented aliens are "unknown," are you saying that when you see a person born and raised in the USA (assuming you can even know that they were born and raised in the USA)that you know their education, medical history, employment history, military history, government and professional history, character, and criminal history. If so, that scares me more than the the fact that there are undocumented aliens in our midst.

- dhurtado

November 20, 2008 at 9:44pm

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Dear Readers, It's your favorite bashing target...well, for some of you anyway. FYI: I lost the defamation cases against the MMP imposters because I was misled by an incompetent and negligent attorney, not because the facts in my cases were incorrect. That attorney has been fired and replaced. Click on the FAQ section of my website at www.minutemanproject.com for the specific details about the imposters I am bringing through the courts. BTW, Steve Eichler, me, and the MMP just got a judgement against Deborah Courtney last week blocking her attempt to discharge three $20 million claims we can now apparently bring against her. Case No. 8:07-bk-12720-TA Judgement against Courtney entered Nov 10, 2008 Wow. 60 million bucks we might get from her now? So, that must be where all that money went that she claims I stole from donors. :) I wonder how much of that cash her long-time friend and dirty journalist Frank Mickadeit stashed under his mattress. I can't wait. We will spend it all on lawyers suing every politician in the country who tries to pass an amnesty. Frank Mickadeit, of course, is a pro-illegal alien invasion fanatic who writes for the Orange County Register. Hopefully, in their next downsizing, they will boot him into the street with all of his criminal gang-banger illegal alien buddies. Meanwhile, click on the FAQ button on the MMP home page and read it, please. The antics of these players is hysterical. After that, let's get on with saving our country, folks. Amnesty for 30 million illegal aliens is just around the corner. Jim Gilchrist, President and Founder, the Minuteman Project, Inc. [an IRC 501 C 4 Corporation] PS. Should I wear a Kevlar vest agains at my next speech at CSULB nest month?

- Jim Gilchrist

November 20, 2008 at 11:49pm

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TNR deserves congratulations for shining much needed light on Jim Gilchrist and the Minutemen. His political lineage is more rooted in the tradition of 19th century nativists and Know-nothings than in the revolutionary home guard of colonial times. He tries to divorce himself from other branches of the same organization. But they are all money grubbers, cut from the same cloth. Check out www.minutemenunvarnished.com to see the Minutemen in action.

- Borderwatcher

November 21, 2008 at 10:13am

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If after reading this anyone would be on his side would be a surprize. Sounds like he is trying to undermine the movement. There are millions of Americans still wanting illegal aliens gone.With the economy as it is and thousands losing there jobs almost on a daily basis, they are not saying yes we need more of them. Americans are going to need those jobs that are being filled with illegal aliens and yes some visa holders. We need to remove them from welfare roles in all states, that would help considerably with are budget downturns. As for the media, I see constant bias, very few stories get out there when an American citizen has been grossly affected by them, such as the growing numbers being killed in various ways, lost their jobs, had their identities stolen, or left maimed for life. I don't care what country they are comming from they need to leave. By the way I'm a legal naturalized citizen, and even if they are from my own country they need to go home. Care about Americans first.

- Arlene

November 21, 2008 at 1:39pm

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This is a example of why we just do not blanket amnesty these people. PHOENIX (AP) - Police have arrested an illegal immigrant wanted in connection with a fatal shooting last weekend in Mesa. Christian Garcia, 26, was taken into custody Wednesday in Tucson as he was preparing to leave for Mexico, authorities said. Once transported to Mesa, police said Garcia admitted to shooting a .9mm-caliber and .40-caliber handgun at a pickup carrying Christian Gonzalez early Sunday. Gonzalez was killed and two other people in the vehicle were injured, police

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November 21, 2008 at 2:08pm

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jdcarteriii ranted: "How, pray tell would it be easy to tell whether someone was legal or not? Racial profiling? Making sure their closed matched properly and they weren't wearing soccer tishirts? Maybe everyone with a turban or a dashiki could be pulled over? Or wouldn't that be just another instance of minorities sacrificing civil liberties for society at large facing a percieved threat. UNDER- documented people are not a threat, rather they are our families, our friends, our co workers, and our future." UNDER-documented ???!!!! What did their dog eat their pocuments? PLEZZZEEEeeee, no more excuses. Her's your simple answer. Most lawful unemployed (legal ones with their I-9 real identity papers that ALL people must have in our society) are not on your street corners covertly trying to skirt the US immigration, labor and tax laws. Most reputable people seeking lawful employers are going through employment ads, the Internet or through legal employment services, govt or private ones. There is many checks and balances built into those systems to keep things legal and trackable for everyone's good & safety. But, a illegal alien day laborers street corner employer search, not so much! Some private lawful employment services are AppleOne, Labor Ready, union halls and many many more. Look them up. Research shows that street corner unemployed are people who can't operate in US lawful society. Most are possible outlaws having violent police records or have other serious problems with employers who should know about that well before trustfully employing them, and are outlaws here trying to hurt our society just to commit further crimes under stolen lawful society's true identity papers. You want to employ illegals, go ahead...but law enforcement might be interested to meet you. Another point is it's illegal to work in this/a country if you are an illegal alien, as it is in Mexico, Canada, and most European countries. Trying to collect those illegal outlaw wages for illegal outlaw employment isn't going to play well in a legal venue (as it should be). The very act of employing an illegal alien (including transporting them as per law) is also felony. Both the scoflaw illegal alien worker and the illegal alien employer are criminals by their own public felony actions.

- Califnative

November 21, 2008 at 4:01pm

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In the article, the interviewer states: "His most recent suit was against someone using the Minuteman name to release a video 'encouraging people to shoot illegal aliens to death with a rifle and bury their bodies in the desert.'" I just took a look at the Civil Case Information link at the website for California Superior Court for Orange County. I am unable to find a suit filed by Mr. Gilchrist to this effect. Did the interviewer fact check before submitting the article for publication? Did TNR fact check statements and claims made by Mr. Gilchrist before running the article? If this claim of a new suit is bogus, what does this say of Mr. Gilchrist's credibility?

- AnotherWatcher

November 24, 2008 at 2:09am

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This is a truly ignorant, meaningless article. Jim, what are you thinking? Will you never get the message? Just zip it. The beauty of the remains of the Minuteman movement...and don't kid yourselves, A LOT REMAINS...lies in the hearts and minds of the survivors. I will never be sorry I joined the Minutemen and women in AZ for the month of April, 2005! Though I have had to forego border watches over the last year, I am proud that I have taken a stand against those who would unlawfully cross our borders. I don't let a day pass without firing up the computer and making my phone calls to Congress and the President. Think if the potential impact if even just one in every ten citizens were to make a decision to stand up and be heard. That's what the Minutemen and women have done. Let's not forget that the United States of America is a sovereign nation! How's that go? "Of the People, for the People & by the People?" Who has shouldered the economic, cultural and social adversity associated with the invasion of millions upon millions of unknown, unvetted foreign intruders? That would be you and I, folks. Many of us now languish in the wake of big governments' failures, emphasized by the non-action of an apathetic U.S. citizenry. Most Americans can't be bothered to step forward and speak up for the homeland. One would think that the current economic crisis might give food for thought.......Nah!!!

- !

December 1, 2008 at 7:37pm

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Excuse me, its seem that all these little groups are out for every except the American tax payer. These people are in this country illegally and need to go. I'm tired of paying taxes to educate their kids when I don't have kids. I'm tired of tax dollars being spent on others who could give crap about any else as long as they get their freebies ,LIKE OBAMA'S ILLEGAL AUNT!! TELL ME, how did she qualify for this this? I'd sure like to know who phucked the dog. Or is state government that inept. WE DON'T YOU WINCH!! Leave our country and go back to the whole you crawled out of. Thank you. PS PAY FOR WHAT YOU'VE USED.

- NOAMNESTY!!

March 3, 2009 at 9:01pm

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awe hell casey , lets just give the whole damn country away , for whats left anyways . Its just a third world country now so whats the difference , I say lets just give the country to whoever wants it. !! there ya go Casey ! all done now !

- ruthie

April 1, 2009 at 5:54pm

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