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ELECTIONATE AUGUST 11, 2012

Ryan Could Move Wisconsin Into The Toss-Up Column

Of all the states where Romney and Obama declined to air advertisements, none stood out more than Wisconsin. In 2000 and 2004, Kerry and Gore won by only the narrowest margins, and it’s a state where Obama depends on the support of a near majority of the white working class voters who have proven skeptical of his performance. But even though Obama has suffered big losses in Wisconsin since 2008, he appears to have retained just enough support to keep the state leaning toward Obama. But tomorrow night, Romney and Ryan head to Ryan’s home-state of Wisconsin for a rally that might be the beginning of an effort to jumpstart the Romney campaign’s effort in the Badger State.  Could Ryan really move Wisconsin into the toss-up column?

The short answer is: Yes. While vice presidential candidates don’t usually swing states, historically, vice president's help the ticket by about two points in their home state. That can matter in a close election, as it did in Texas in 1960, but would 2 points be enough to flip Wisconsin? Not right now: The RealClearPolitics average shows Obama with a 5.4 point lead and 49.8 percent of the vote. Obama’s high tally—near fifty percent—was enough to make Obama a clear favorite, and it probably had something to do with both campaign’s decisions to forsake advertising in the state.

But remember that although Obama’s up by 5 or 6 points in the state, Obama was also up by about 3 points nationally over approximately the same time period as the RCP Wisconsin average. So if Romney makes a comeback and fights to a rough tie nationally (as he would need to for the electoral college to matter), he would probably only lose Wisconsin by a few points. But that’s where Paul Ryan can potentially make a difference. If a Vice Presidential candidate can make a 2 point difference, then suddenly Obama’s modest advantage in Wisconsin looks quite tenuous, since that would essentially move Wisconsin in line with the national average.

Although some might argue that Ryan doesn’t have the appeal necessary to give Romney 2 additional points in Wisconsin, it’s worth recalling that a recent PPP poll showed that Obama’s 6 point lead in Wisconsin fell to just 1 point if Romney decided to put Paul Ryan on the ticket. Moreover, Wisconsin is clearly willing to support controversial conservative reformist politicians like Scott Walker, so there’s no reason to presume that Ryan will be especially unpopular. And although Ryan’s statewide net-popularity rating is relatively low, that’s because a large number of undecided voters haven’t heard of him, which is hardly surprising for a congressional candidate. So there’s reason to wait and see how Ryan’s favorability numbers move in Wisconsin over the next few weeks, especially since Romney and Ryan will be campaigning in the conservative Milwaukee suburbs, where voters will probably learn to like Ryan a lot, even if they don’t know him yet. 

On the other hand, Ryan is a relative unknown, even in Wisconsin, so it’s not as clear whether he could put the state in play to the same extent that he could if he were a statewide politician, since he hasn't necessarily forged a lasting connection with the state's voters. And since Obama’s near fifty percent in Wisconsin, the burden on Ryan to produce gains for Romney is larger than the margin makes it seem. Ryan needs to peel away voters who already support Obama, and while I could easily be convinced that Ryan could prove an asset to Romney in swaying undecided Wisconsin voters, it’s harder to imagine voters who approve of Obama’s performance choosing to move to Romney due to a vice presidential candidate. So while Ryan certainly could move Wisconsin into the toss-up category, it is far from assured.

Of course, none of this will matter if the Ryan budget devastates Romney's chances or provides a message that sweeps him to a Reagan-esque landslide. But in the event of a close national election, Romney’s electoral map starts to look more impressive with Wisconsin in the toss-up column. Obama is historically weak among white working class voters, but that hasn't translated into historic weakness in overwhelmingly white states that lean Democratic, like Minnesota, Wisconsin, Oregon, or Michigan. At the same time, Obama has translated his strengths into real electoral opportunities in the Mid-Atlantic and Southwest. So for the moment, Obama has the benefits of his “new coalition” without suffering the costs. That would change if Paul Ryan could move Wisconsin into the toss-up column. A win in Wisconsin, as well as neighboring Iowa, could even allow Romney to overcome losses in both Colorado and Virginia. Since I’ve always been pessimistic about Romney’s chances in Virginia, Wisconsin has always stood out as a missing piece in Romney’s electoral strategy. So whatever Paul Ryan's other costs and benefits, he comes from a useful state, and that might help put Romney on the offensive or compensate for losses in traditionally Republican states. 

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This is an exhaustive analysis that raises more questions than it answers, not that there is anything wrong with that.

- Nusholtz

August 12, 2012 at 3:12pm

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Will Ryan's seat be in danger when his constituents finally discover what that nice young boy has been up to all these years?

- Pnaut

August 12, 2012 at 4:49pm

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I dunno. Remember the anger in Wisconsin over Scott Walker's heinous union bashing legislation, which not so coincidentally focused on women and education? Ryan might energize the state the OTHER way. There are plenty of progressives and women in Wisconsin, and people who aren't complete idiots.

- Sophia

August 12, 2012 at 6:51pm

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Democrats are obviously struggling to explain the gift that landed on the silver platter. That line of thinking shows we believe the right wing cabal gives any thought to us at all. It is always about them. I think the Republican cabal, headed by Murdoch, operated by Rove, have even more poll numbers than we are seeing. So, choose Ryan: 1) redmeat for the base and Fox News ratings; 2) in their mind, the Catholic vote, though in reality more like the pope's vote, infallibly nonexistant; 3) according to Romney's statements, the young vote, as seen through the eyes of an eighty year old prune and 64 year old princeling, and 4) most importantly, again revealed by Romney's slip, what the cabal hopes will be an indroduction of their eloquent spokesman for destruction of the social order, and future Republican presidential candidate......so smart, so smooth, so right. I guess they agree "that (Romney) dog don't hunt",as they say down South, when something can't perform its main function. So at least put Ryan out their for next election cycle. Now it is time to clean House, even if it makes Boehner cry.

- smabry03

August 13, 2012 at 9:50am

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Slightly different analysis by Nate Silver of the Times here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/11/aug-11-will-ryan-pick-move-the-polls/ And here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/08/how-romneys-pick-of-a-running-mate-could-sway-the-outcome/ Bottom line is that, with all sorts of qualifiers, he sees more like a one percent bump via the Ryan pick, but is open to a larger bump. And like Cohn he sees the choice as indeed improving Romney's chances somewhat in Wisconsin.

- Thunderroad

August 13, 2012 at 11:02am

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Of course, Ryan is going to help Romney lose every other swing state, so the net effect isn't quite as interesting.

- polcereal

August 13, 2012 at 12:18pm

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Paul Ryan has held the district of Les Aspin for two-thirds as long, and with no ominous challenger since 2000, until Rob Zerban this year. Punditry as this level is easily found, and at lower expense. Ryan's inability to legislate or budget on behalf of his district is documented elsewhere. Supposing that record will sway the entire state, which includes Titletown USA (Green Bay), presumes the entire state is incapable of voting in its own best interests.

- lespin

August 13, 2012 at 3:09pm

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all the pundits and pollsters really need to start factoring in the impact of statewide Senate contests, even tho I predict some of those Senate contests will get more combined votes than those cast for president due to absence of enthusiasm for either Obama or Romney. Wisconsin will be fascinating if it is Tammy Baldwin versus Tommy Thompson for retiring Kohls seat. and, having lived and worked in 'not-to-be-named-papermill-town', Wisconsin, I think Thompson might just swing Wisconsin to Romney/Ryan, no matter what Obama/loose-lipped Biden try to say, hopefully no bad jokes about cheeseheads or the Packers. When you think about upstate Wisconsin, remember the Packers' fans still sit on backless wooden benches in Lambeau Field, drinking shots of brandy with (Leinenkugel!) beer chasers in sub-zero weather. hmm, only Ryan can possibly look good on a snowmobile, headed to an ice fishing shack on Lake Winnebago.

- K2K

August 15, 2012 at 4:53pm

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