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Go Home Kinsley Curb-Stomps Mankiw

JONATHAN CHAIT OCTOBER 19, 2010

Kinsley Curb-Stomps Mankiw

A week ago, former Bush economic advisor Greg Mankiw wrote a New York Times column asserting that President Obama would be raising his marginal tax rate to 90%, thus dampening his incentive to continue churning out anti-tax propaganda. Michael Kinsley questions Mankiw's math skills:

Mankiw calculates that without the tax changes advocated by Obama, his kids would end up with “about $2,000.” He interprets this as “twice the incentive to keep working,” but it is still a hard-to-defend marginal tax rate of 80 cents on the dollar. So the difficulty, if there is one, is not primarily Obama’s fault. If Mankiw’s marginal tax rate has actually been 80 percent for all these years, it doesn’t seem to have affected his incentives very much, and 90 percent won’t, either.

But in all probability, he does not face a marginal tax rate of anything like 90 percent. Mankiw assumes that his investment earns 8 percent every year and is subject to the corporate income tax at 35 percent and then to the individual income tax at its full fury of 40 percent on whatever’s left. That would be an unusual investment. The top marginal tax rate on dividends and capital gains — the two main ways investors recoup their investments — is 15 percent. If his profit takes the form of interest, paid every year, then there is no corporate income tax. Mankiw owes no taxes on any profits retained by the corporation (if his investment is stock, as he suggests). And to the extent that his return takes the form of a capital gain, it also goes untaxed until he “realizes” the gain by selling the stock. Best of all, if everything goes according to plan and he pops off before cashing in, the entire capital gain disappears for tax purposes.

Mankiw’s assumption of an 8 percent return for 30 straight years seems optimistic. A lower expected return will crunch into a lower effective marginal tax rate. He also assumes that his income will fall in the range where deductions are phased out, thereby effectively increasing his marginal tax rate, but also, in the end, in the range of accumulated wealth that puts him over the basic exclusion of several million dollars.
 

Of course, Mankiw could always reply that current marginal tax rates are so high that they have dampened his incentive to get the correct numbers. Why bother doing all that math if 80% of your profit is going to be confiscated by government? Or whatever.

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It is amazing that more wealthy conservatives have not been afflicted with depression and inanition, given our extremely punitive tax rates.

- liberal reformer

October 19, 2010 at 11:11am

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malahat, if Mankiw is getting a dividend, which is paid out of after-tax profits, he only pays 15% on it. The only way he's paying 40% tax on his investment is if he's realizing his hypothetical 8% gain every year.

- subterran

October 19, 2010 at 11:27am

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Like Mankiw, I feel the taxpayers' pain. For those taxpayers who pay the highest marginal federal tax rate. And who would that be? Not the high income investor class Mankiw is so concerned about. Rather it's the engineer earning $100,000 per year and paying a marginal federal tax rate of about 42%. Why doesn't Mankiw show some love for the middle income engineer? As for the investor class that enjoys a 15% tax rate, Mankiw of all people knows that cash on cash investments are made in pass through entities, not C corps. Of course, the engineer would like to be in the investor class, but since the last dollar he earns is taxed at a 42% marginal rate, there's not much left to invest.

- rayward

October 19, 2010 at 1:17pm

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malahat, Chait was quoting Kinsley. And the point is that the total rate (90% or 80%) Mankiw is claiming applies is a fiction. It's technically possible if he churns an investment every year, but not in fact a rate he would ever pay. Of course the argument also ignores the fact that 35% corporate tax is not likely to be paid by any public company.

- subterran

October 19, 2010 at 1:36pm

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And, you know, 100 years ago when peoples' after tax income per hour was a fraction of what it is today, they had hardly any incentive to work, so they barely worked at all...but wait, they actually worked more hours than today?? I guess they never heard Mankiw's propaganda.

- RHSerlin

October 19, 2010 at 2:03pm

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I noticed that Greg Mankiw does not say that if taxes went up he would leave the country. Instead, if they went up high enough, he would sit on a park bench. So, there is something about staying here he likes but only while the national debt goes up and up and up. If he was asked to help out, he'd explain that he couldn't because "taxes make me sluggish."

- Nusholtz

October 19, 2010 at 4:53pm

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