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JONATHAN COHN AUGUST 3, 2011

Pivot to Jobs - FAST

The best thing about the debt ceiling deal? The possibility of talking about something else: Jobs.

During yesterday’s White House remarks on the agreement, President Obama surprised a lot of people by spending so much of his time talking about employment. "In the coming months, I’ll continue also to fight for what the American people care most about: new jobs, higher wages and faster economic growth," Obama said. "While Washington has been absorbed in this debate about deficits, people across the country are asking what we can do to help the father looking for work." And lest anybody think this was a throwaway line, the White House announced that Obama would be taking a Midwestern bus tour in August, focusing on jobs and the economy.

Talking about jobs isn’t the same thing as doing something about jobs, of course. And doing something on jobs will not be easy. While extensions of unemployment insurance and the payroll tax holiday likely have enough to support, anything beyond that will be difficult to pass. Republicans and their allies will keep insisting that the best way to help the economy is to cut spending, which is the very opposite of what, according to almost every mainstream economist, we should be doing.

But that doesn’t mean the administration shouldn’t be trying – or that those of us who write about policy shouldn't draw attention to worthy ideas. In that spirit, let me once again highlight a proposal to repair and renovate America’s public schools. The Economic Policy Insitute has made the case for this initiative in a briefing paper and Jared Bernstein, who has been touting the idea on his blog, has given it a name: FAST, for Fix America’s Schools Today.

The policy virtue of FAST is that it’d accomplish two goals at once: Putting construction and maintenance workers back to work, while simultaneously improving the physical facilities of our schools. The political virtue is that education is a popular issue, particularly with independent voters. Republicans would try to demonize it as wasteful spending, to be sure, but it seems like Obama and his supporters could make a pretty good counter-argument.

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An even better approach would be to push hard for the Infrastructure Bank. This would be a winning issue for two reasons: (1) Most people realize that the nation's roads, bridges, and water mains are deteriorating and need to be upgraded, and (2) doing this needed work would generate tens or hundreds of thousands of good jobs for engineers and construction workers. If the Republicans oppose the Infrastructure Bank on the grounds that we can't afford it, while at the same time urging more tax cuts for the rich, they will clearly demonstrate their upside-down priorities. Even their basic commitment to the nation that they profess to love so dearly will be called into question. Any party that would allow the nation's infrastructure to fall into ruins while pushing for more handouts to the rich and corporate bigwigs can't claim to have the country's best interests at heart. Once Americans start thinking about "the unpatriotic Republicans," the GOP is going to have an image albatross around its neck that it will find hard to get rid of.

- DAVIDDREIER@EARTHLINK.NET-old

August 3, 2011 at 2:47pm

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Talk all you want (and BHO is likely to talk little re jobs). The debt deal makes it impossible for government to do anything to create jobs. Not only has BHO signed onto the meme that the debt is the second-most important political goal (compromise is his #1), but also that reducing spending to in theory reducing the debt creates jobs-- via the confidence fairy. You cant put shoes of any type on this pig. As roi said yesterday, like Churchill's critique of Chamberlain's Munich "compromise": He chose dishonor to avoid war. He will get war. BHO chose dishonor over an immediate economic (politically-manufactured) econonomic crisis. He will get a (true) economic crisis by deepening this resession--quite likely to a true deporession. The numbers are already coming in-- and will get worse with this deal.

- drofnats1

August 3, 2011 at 2:52pm

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Another quick infrastructure fix, along the lines of FAST, would be to tackle the billions of dollars of backlogged maintenance in our national parks and monuments. Pairing fixing Yellowstone Park with ending some oil subsidies might make the whole thing more palatable for Republicans, lest they get an attack ad against them that says, "Congressman Smith voted for Big Oil over our national parks."

- benjamin81

August 3, 2011 at 3:00pm

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Maybe if the bill promises only to renovate charter schools, it would have a chance to pass. Otherwise, Republicans will dig in, plead poverty, and rail against throwing money down the rat hole of public education.

- propjoe

August 3, 2011 at 3:40pm

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- Too bad the last big boom during a Democratic presidency came from a guy who boasted the era of big government is over. And Obama had to win the nomination by running against his wife? I think people need to hear all Democrats hammer away with passion, from local to federal and each cabinet post drowning out any other issue: We're going to put America back to work and if won't join us, get out of the way.

- michaelg

August 3, 2011 at 4:04pm

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"As roi said yesterday, like Churchill's critique of Chamberlain's Munich "compromise": He chose dishonor to avoid war. He will get war. BHO chose dishonor over an immediate economic (politically-manufactured) econonomic crisis. He will get a (true) economic crisis by deepening this resession--quite likely to a true deporession. The numbers are already coming in-- and will get worse with this deal." Roi's inability to formulate a cogent argument against BHO's stewardship is reflected in his use of Churchillian metaphors, invoking Hitler, and calling his opponents terrorists and blackmailers. Drofnats, please explain how BHO created an economic crisis or made things worse. That you are hoping for a true economic crisis to prove a point puts you in the same league as the Tea Party and Republicans who want the same thing.

- wkwami

August 3, 2011 at 4:14pm

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Not a bad idea. But I fear that the GOP will ultimately gut anything President Obama proposes before it reaches the Senate. What does a watered-down version of an infrastructure bank look like? What about a diluted FAST? As soon as Obama pushes either of these bills, instransigent Republicans will nitpick about some minor element in the legislation; and the president will feel pressured to accommodate them because he desperately needs to stimulate the economy. Then Huffington Post will throw up another "OBAMA CAVES" headline, liberals will be demoralized, and the GOP will dance in the end-zone. I have no faith at this point in the Republicans' ability to compromise. I expect them to demonize and undermine any piece of legislation the administration touches. They've actually managed to convince Americans to believe the fallacy that less government spending, sans additional revenue, yields economic growth--as if less household spending (a popular, but disingenuous analogy) plus lower income makes someone a millionaire.

- maxhencke

August 3, 2011 at 5:25pm

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Pivot to jobs--HOW? Do you seriously believe that even remotely effective stimulus spending can come out of this Congress? All the president has to offer is talk, and already it is apparent that that talk isn't likely even to be of the Clintonesque I-feel-your-pain variety but Dr Sunshine nonsense about how the economy is getting better. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/03/hope-is-not-a-plan/

- AaronW

August 3, 2011 at 7:51pm

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I am quite a bit more cogent than you, wkwami. The sum total of your contribution here is your insistence that anything that anyone suggests about Obama's stewardship that is other than fawning applause is "speculation." Of course, since we cannot have do-overs with history, any and all criticism about what might have been different can always be labeled speculation. Therefore, the wisdom that you have to share with us is that criticism of Obama's stewardship is inherently speculative, ergo no one can successfully criticize his stewardship. Then you claim that no one has. If you have ever said anything else the bears mention, I missed it. For anyone like wkwami, who has trouble following the ball, let us reprise. Here is a list of Obama's failures as steward: 1. Failed to ask for more than necessary on his stimulus bill, pre-negotiated with himself, and ended up with far too little larded with pointless tax cuts. 2. Failed to manage his own healthcare initiative or coordinate with Democratic congressional leaders. In his feckless bid for "post-partisanship," he acceded to a plethora of Republican demands for changes in the bill without remembering to bargain for so much as a single Republican vote in exchange. The resulting bill was a kind of Frakenstein's monster of policy that only was enacted because Pelosi and Reid pulled his chestnuts out of the fire at the last instant. 3. Failed to do his political work of making the case for his healthcare initiative leaving congressional Democrats to take all the heat. Conceded the public square entirely to extremist Republican rhetoric -- death panels and the like -- with the result of a huge loss in the 2010 elections. 4. Fails consistently to coordinate his political strategy and messaging with other Democrats. The Times reported that less than a week a go he was first coordinating with Democratic leadership for a unified position on the debt ceiling. That was about eight months too late. Treats the Democrats and the Republicans as if they are for all practical purposes equal while he stands above. Politics is a team sport. Obama is not a team player. 5. Failed when the ordeal of the ACA was finally over to press jobs, jobs, jobs as the most urgent task facing the country running up to the 2010 elections. Rather late now. 6. Got rolled in the negotiation over the Bush tax cuts, over which he did not even have to negotiate. Got far too little to stimulate the economy and failed even to ask for an increase in the debt ceiling. 7. Has continued Bush's anti-civil liberties policies and is in flagrant violation of the War Powers Act. 8. Made a complete mess of the negotiations over the debt ceiling that never should have happened in the first place resulting in spending cuts that are likely to precipitate a double dip recession coming on top of the cuts he stupidly agreed to in his failed negotiations over the Bush tax cuts. In the process, he has seen his own poll numbers come way down jeopardizing the White House over nothing at all. 9. Now purports to be "pivoting" to jobs when there is not a blessed thing he can do about it having demonstrated beyond peradventure that he is not in the slightest a political force to be reckoned with. I think that suffices, wkwami. Now you can tell us how that is all speculative, as is your custom. ________________ My "opponents" are not terrorists. Republicans who threaten to damage the country unless they get their way are terrorists. Churchill was right. No evidence though that you understand why.

- roidubouloi

August 3, 2011 at 8:50pm

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Oh, did I forget to mentioning completely letting the perpetrators of the colossal banking fraud off the hook and exacting no price for bailing them all out of the mess they created while adopting policies that have sucked demand out of the economy in order to recapitalize the banks, a huge de facto tax increase on working people and a very large part of the reason why the economy is still so sluggish? In a nutshell, he didn't have the stones to stand up to Wall Street which is a large part of the reason we are still in a mess. He did a good job with auto industry though. Many gold stars for that one.

- roidubouloi

August 3, 2011 at 8:55pm

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Just found your post on the other thread, wkwami. Here is my response: http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93052/how-the-debt-committee-could-turn-republican-against-republican?page=1#comment-334688

- roidubouloi

August 3, 2011 at 10:34pm

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Roi, my response is right there as well. Now, back to the matter at hand. For the sake of argument, let's assume that you are 100% correct about BHO's failures (which I largely disagree with, so there's no point debating who is right or wrong). The question then becomes what do you propose be done? Do you primary BHO and choose a Democratic alternative, or do you vote for the Republican alternative? Decision time... tick tock.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 12:10am

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Well, wkwami, what I will not do is vote for Obama again. "MADNESS!" you and others might well reply. "WHAT DO YOU WANT, A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT?!?" To which I would reply that what appears to be madness, cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, is less mad if one takes a longer view. Obama's failed administration is the apotheosis of thirty years of increasing Republican extremism combined in a vicious cycle with thirty years of Democratic triangulation. In every election since 1980 Democrats have tried to gain ground lost to Republicans by becoming more like them. They have assumed that so long as they continued to call themselves Democrats and so long as they remained somewhat less conservative than their Republican opponents they could move well to the right and not lose support from the traditional Democratic base of liberals and minority voters. With Republicans the movement has been in the same rightward direction but for the opposite reason--Republicans believe, with good reason, that if they fail to uphold the extreme conservative beliefs of their base, their base will abandon them. The only way to break this cycle is for the Democratic base to take a page from the book of their Republican counterparts and refuse to relinquish their votes to just any old stooge who calls himself a Democrat. Might such behavior on the part of liberal voters cost Democrats elections? You betcha. Would on a short view would I rather have Obama in the White House than Michelle Bachmann or Mitt Romney? To be sure. But if in the longer term it would help shift this lumbering ship of state in a more salutary direction, I'd tolerate some short term pain. (By "short-term" I mean a decade or more.) I'd love to see a liberal primary challenger emerge. I don't think it's going to happen. I fully admit that I have a hard time imagining who such a person might be. Most of the possible candidates I can imagine are disqualified for one reason or another, most commonly for being already implicated in the Obama debacle. That's okay. I still won't vote for the man. And I'll be telling all my Democratic friends and family that I won't be voting for Obama and that I think they should withhold their votes as well. (In 2008 I gave Obama over $500 and encouraged my mother to volunteer for his campaign. I couldn't do so myself as I live abroad. She helped him be the first Democrat to win Virginia since Carter. This year, I hope she sits it out, and I've told her so.) View it as a kind of strike. If the Democratic candidate won't pay me the respect of making even a pretence of fighting for core Democratic Party beliefs, I won't pay him the respect of giving him my vote. And if Obama loses his reelection bid and the exit polls show poor turnout among core Democratic constituencies, maybe the next Democratic candidate won't take us for granted.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 1:00am

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http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93052/how-the-debt-committee-could-turn-republican-against-republican?page=1#comment-334701 "Decision time ... tick, tock." Ah yes, no sooner are we done with the latest episode of hostage taking by the Republicans, than it is time to be taken hostage by the Democratic hierarchy who imagine that, no matter how badly they behave, we have no choice but to support them. Let's be clear, the reason Obama bungled the debt ceiling negotiations was because he went in not prepared to let them do the damage they threatened and deal with it. He had no plan for that alternative. That's no way to start a negotiation. They smelled his bluff, they called it, and he folded. Now you want disaffected Democrats to act like that too, to be unwilling to accept the possibility that Obama may lose and so be forced into line no matter how indifferent he is to our values and how unwilling to fight for them. You want us to be bluffing like Obama so that he can call our bluff. Well, I'm not bluffing and neither are many in "the base" without whose support he is toast. People will stay home knowing that the result will be a Democratic loss because there exists no other means to protest the betrayal and make clear to this president and future Democratic candidates that we will not accept faux Republicans in the stead of actual Democrats. What I propose to do is join with others in making clear to Obama and his erstwhile advisers that, despite being a New Deal Democrat while in the womb, I do not accept the sucking up to the right, at least not without giving them a fight every bit as aggressive and ruthless as the fight they give us. If he still insists on being post-partisan and above the fray, too bad. Bye, bye. His clock is ticking, not mine.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 1:50am

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From The Onion: Obama: Debt Ceiling Deal Required Tough Concessions By Both Democrats And Democrats Alike WASHINGTON—A day after signing legislation that raised the government debt ceiling and authorized steep budget cuts, President Obama thanked Democrats as well as Democrats for their willingness to make tough, but necessary, concessions during negotiations. "I'm truly grateful that both Democrats and their Democratic counterparts were able to reach this consensus, accepting an agreement that is far from perfect not just for Democrats, but also for Democrats," Obama said Wednesday of the deal that cut federal spending $2.1 trillion over 10 years but included no revenue increases of any kind. "Lawmakers from across the political spectrum—from moderate Democrats to the more liberal members of the party to dyed-in-the-wool progressives—reached within the aisle and showed the nation that compromise requires real sacrifice from everyone." Obama added that while it may look ugly at times, politics is about Democrats giving up what they want, as well as Democrats giving up what they want, until an agreement can ultimately be reached.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 2:20am

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Posted the following on a dead thread by mistake: Last night I was watching the Aussie ABC network news roundup. They had a little piece on the debt ceiling deal. They showed a clip of Obama speaking about the deal. Not sure what the specific occasion was. He was outside. I can't quote him verbatim, but l can give the gist of it. He was saying that debt ceiling crisis was manufactured and that it was the last thing our teetering economy needed. Fair enough. But then who did he blame for this unnecessary, manmade challenge to our prosperity? The Republicans? Fuck no! He blamed all of us! "We did this to ourselves," he said. I was dumbfounded. "We..." Who's "we", sucker? Incompetence compounded by abject weakness...

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 3:22am

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The people who read "The Beast" care about politics and public policy but they represent only a tiny sliver of the population who do. The vast majority of our fellow citizens could not name the vice president or tell you who their congressman is or what party he represents. Our corrupt, dysfunctional government is probably what we deserve.

- paskunac

August 4, 2011 at 6:31am

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Aaron W. and roidubouloi: Everything the two of you say here is right on the mark. Obama has been a terrible disappointment. He's weak and, to use the tired old cliche, he's closer to Wall Street than to Main Street. However, a right-wing Republican president, especially if the GOP were able to achieve a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, would be a disaster almost beyond imagining. So I will vote for Obama even though I have pretty much lost all faith in him. Aaron, you say you'd like to see a liberal primary challenger, but you don't know who that could be. How about Russ Feingold? The man is for the people and he seems utterly incorruptible.

- DAVIDDREIER@EARTHLINK.NET-old

August 4, 2011 at 10:06am

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In a nutshell, I'm with wkwami on all this. Whatever his "failures," it seems to me the President's critics don't give him credt for anything at all. Forget the big ticket items for the moment, like ACA, stimulus, etc. It seems to me this President and his administration have achieved a lot of other, let's say smaller things (for want of a better term), that don't get much attention. These include, for example, expansion of S-Chip, the children's health insurance program (I recall a discussion I had with a military mom, who noted the big difference this program made for her family), the Ledbetter equal pay for women act, and creation of the consumer protection bureau. In addition of course there was expansion of Federal assistance for stem cell research, improved federal loan program for college, missile deal with Moscow. I'm sure there are other things I've overlooked. But how can any of the above not be described as, at worst, liberal objectives, if not progressive? I recall a blog I read somewhere, maybe last year, that described the President as trying to make life at least a little better in general for the American people. We know the GOP only cares about the rich. Given that, there's no way in my book Obama is in the same camp as the Republicans, as many of his critics suggest. And yes, I will vote for him again next year.

- ballston

August 4, 2011 at 12:16pm

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AaronW: "Pivot to jobs--HOW? Do you seriously believe that even remotely effective stimulus spending can come out of this Congress?" Good question. Glad to see you acknowledging reality for once. Now tell us how you'd spur job creation in this political environment. You saw a way out of the debt-ceiling using the 14th Amendment, surely you can come up with a way for the President to get another stimulus through Congress?

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 1:07pm

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Having failed to build political capital (or even to try) and having exhausted through fecklessness the enormous political capital he had at the start of his presidency, there is very little Obama can now do about anything. He is politically spent. He will tread water through the election, trying to use theatrics such as his midwest tour to compensate for the inability to do anything at all, because he lacks public support. There is a reasonable shot that the Republicans will be so frightening that Obama will squeak through. He has placed anything more than that beyond his reach. There is an equally good chance, maybe better, that a double-dip recession, brought on by his initially inadequate stimulus and his fiscal tightening since then, will sink him and what is left of the Democrats in Congress. Now just why you, wkwami, think AaronW or anyone else should have the solution to Obama's political incompetence long after the horse has left the barn is beyond me.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 1:31pm

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Well said, ballston. There's definitely way too much focus on what he didn't do well. I think the other problem is attributing to Obama the failures of the democrats in Congress. Some have argued that he's supposed to control the party like some sort of leviathan, but I just don't buy it. Congressional reps and senators are elected for a reason, and the last time I checked it wasn't to be the president's hand-puppets, even if that's how the Republicans appear to treat it.
The GOP is a herd of handpuppets anyway: do what you're told or GTFO. I guess I'm not terribly surprised there are those democrats who see the "success" the Republicans are having and desire to ape their behaviors in hopes of achieving some of that success for themselves.
Oddly, or perhaps not, I don't see the Republicans' success at all. Most of the time, they're just preaching to the choir. And any time they actually try to engage democrats or independents their arguments are flimsy and unconvincing, at best. The lame-stream-media's efforts to simply repeat what Republicans are saying just makes everything seem louder. The Republicans have tried to paint themselves as heros of the debt ceiling, and everything else, this whole time, but the public hates them worse than the democrats. The only thing that's really changed in public perception is the level of satisfaction with Obama's job rating as people now seem to see him as part of the problem as well.
But, I'm not going to say I don't see an upside to letting the Republicans have control of the government again. I'm a big fan of hard lessons, and Americans of all walks of life are desperately in need of some damn hard lessons when it comes to politics these days.

- GSpinks

August 4, 2011 at 1:39pm

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Obama is the leader of the Democratic party, a responsibility he has totally shirked. A big part of his shirking was the refusal to coordinate his efforts with Democratic congressional leadership. As such, he, not congressional Democrats, deserves the lion's share of the blame. It is not a matter of their being handpuppets, but of organizing legislative and political effort in a coordinated way. When a party holds the White House, the failure, refusal, or inability of the president to do his political job leaves a vacuum that is inevitably filled by chaos. The party cannot possibly organize itself around the president as if he were not there. Whether Republicans' arguments are persuasive to you or not, or consist entirely of yelling booga, booga, booga, is of no consequence. They have set the rhetorical frame with respect to the two major issues of the Obama presidency, healthcare and the economy. As such, they are winning the political war. That's what the purpose of political rhetoric is, political power. The only relevant metric for political rhetoric is whether it secures, sustains, bolsters political power. By the only metric that matters, Republicans are doing far better than they should. The reason is that the president, and therefore the Democrats, do not even attempt any counter-narrative. Complete political incompetence.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 2:06pm

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Roi, if understand you correctly, you have no good alternatives, either. Your narrative about Obama having exhausted enormous political capital through fecklessness is another one of those speculations presented as fact. The possibility that there are other more plausible explanations for the current state of affairs other than fecklessness on Obama's part completely escapes you. Consider the question... Why didn't LBJ run for re-election? We KNOW (not speculative) that policy-wise, LBJ accomplished a lot on the liberal/progressive agenda. But we also KNOW that he became extremely unpopular within the Democratic party and was facing a primary challenge from RFK. And then there was his escalation of the Vietnam War. Using your reasoning we are to surmise that LBJ exhausted enormous political capital through fecklessness or some such thing, resulting in the state of affairs that led to his decision not to run for re-election. Or we could also acknowledge that his major policy successes engendered a push back from the other side (the political version of Newton's 3rd law of motion, if you will). The Democrats failed to account for this and let the Tea Party run with it in 2010 elections with the so-called enthusiasm gap - Democrats simply needed to vote to protect their policy accomplishments. Instead they let the perfect become the enemy of the good and whined their way to defeat. In essence they forgot the long game. I am of the opinion that should Obama meet a similar fate as LBJ, it won't be because he squandered political capital through fecklessness, but because he got too much done too soon, and democratic voters, yes the voters, did not counter the Tea Party at the ballot box.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 2:31pm

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Roi: "Obama is the leader of the Democratic party, a responsibility he has totally shirked. A big part of his shirking was the refusal to coordinate his efforts with Democratic congressional leadership." You epitomize a large part of what is wrong in American politics today - the belief that top down party politics determines voter choices; that as long as the leaders coordinate an effective message, they can win. You err! Exhibit A - the Republicans, whom we all tend to credit with being a well organized lot, and always on message, lost Congress in 2006 and got trounced in 2008. Did Rove et al somehow shirked their responsibility? Or did they became political dunces within that time frame? Something else may explain what is happening, but you can't see it because it is in your political blind spot. "They have set the rhetorical frame with respect to the two major issues of the Obama presidency, healthcare and the economy. As such, they are winning the political war. That's what the purpose of political rhetoric is, political power. The only relevant metric for political rhetoric is whether it secures, sustains, bolsters political power." This is classical nonsense! You give far too much credence to political rhetoric. You completely ignore the fact that you cannot convince anyone against their reality that says otherwise. As with LBJ, most of Obama's political successes will bear fruit in the future, while those that have kicked in went largely to the minority interest (the poor, women, gays). The vast middle who are struggling to get by don't see much of an improvement in their lives, and they are rightly upset with the state of affairs. The long term unemployed cannot convinced the economy is getting better, they have to see improvements in their lives.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 2:59pm

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Obama backs us into a corner and I am supposed to have alternatives? Because, I suppose, in the world according to wkwami, I am a voter, therefore responsible for all political outcomes, and Obama is the President of the United States, therefore responsible for no political outcomes. Or, at the very least, any attribution to Barack H. Obama, President of the United States, of responsibility for anything is purely speculative. On the other hand, it is not speculative that the reason for our problems is the Obama accomplished so very much so very fast. That, in wkwami's world, is a fact, beyond speculation. Curious dichotomy there, don't you think? I have to laugh out loud at your historical amnesia, wkwami. Are you perhaps too young to remember the Vietnam War? I'm not. I was 16 in 1968 when Johnson announced he would not run. I campaigned for him when I was 12 in 1964. Do you think he was unpopular in the Democratic party because of The Great Society or the Civil Rights Act? Or because he was fighting an immoral and pointless war, with young Americans being thrown onto a funeral pyre to save face? I think Johnson was heartsick at what a series of his bad and worse decisions, under the influence of incompetent and dishonest generals, had wrought in Vietnam and sought both to atone for his sins and provide an opening for another course, for a peace he could not achieve, by declining to run. What on earth does that have to do with Obama? Not a bloody thing. What I observe is that Obama has shirked his political responsibilities, preferring both to sit in the White House making policy and to stand back and allow congressional leaders and other Democrats to take fire while he tries to stay out of the line of fire, sweeping in at the end to chastise them for their failure to achieve a good outcome while the general sits on his butt. A leaderless army. It is necessarily speculative that the outcomes would have been different had Obama been willing to give rhetorical battle, not by himself to be sure, but in a coordinated effort with he rest of the party of which he is supposed to be the leader. All alternative outcomes are necessarily speculative because there is no alternative history. So what? Does that mean we are to cease drawing inferences from experience about what we should or should not do? It is not, however, speculative that Obama has done virtually nothing, ever, to make the Democratic case to the public or criticize the Republican maniacs who are doing everything imaginable to undermine and neuter him. That is something we can observe. On the one occasion when he did, over the Ryan budget, it was hugely successful. You decline to draw appropriate inferences from such evidence, of both failure and success, as exists on the grounds that any such inferences are necessarily unprovable. By that logic, one can only hide under the bed or intone, as you do, that everything is for the best in this, the best of all possible worlds, as it is the only possible world because it is the only world that exists. You really do bear an astonishing likeness to Dr. Pangloss. "The Democrats failed to account for this and let the Tea Party run with it in 2010 elections with the so-called enthusiasm gap . . ." No sir. The Democrats were and are leaderless. The man who holds the titular responsibility is AWOL. That has nothing to do with allowing the perfect to be the enemy of the good and all such blame the voters nonsense. Obama has not even attempted to do his job as Democratic political leader. That is not acceptable merely because neither I nor anyone else can ever, in principle, prove the outcome would have been different if he had. We have some reason to believe that political effort and sound leadership yield political rewards. We have no reason to believe that the absence of political effort and leadership will do likewise.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 3:07pm

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Here's a more balanced analysis of the Obama Presidency, including three competing narratives: President Barack Obama’s First Two Years: Policy Accomplishments, Political Difficulties http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2010/1104_obama_galston.aspx During his first two years in office, President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies in Congress compiled a substantial record of policy accomplishment—the economic stimulus, bringing the financial system back from the brink of collapse, rescuing two automakers, universal health care, sweeping reform of financial regulation, and major changes in student loan programs, among many others. Nevertheless, the political standing of both the president and congressional Democrats slipped steadily through much of this period, and the voters administered a substantial rebuke in the November 2010 midterm elections. While some contests remain unresolved, the Democrats have lost at least six Senate seats, at least ten governorships, and more than sixty House seats, the most for a mid-term election since 1938. By any measure, this is a substantial and consequential expression of public discontent. What went wrong? There are four broad schools of thought...

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 4:08pm

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"Glad to see you acknowledging reality." A reality created by Obama's poor decisions. He has squandered on opportunity after another. Thus the reality is that he has no room to maneuver. GENIUS!

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 4:28pm

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"You really do bear an astonishing likeness to Dr. Pangloss." Roi, I ask again, why can't you argue your point without the name calling? You've gone from implying I am an Obama plant to me bearing a likeness to Dr. Pangloss? Make your case and let it stand or fall on its merits. Why try to de-legitimize me as opposed to my views? Why attack the messenger as oppose to the message? "On the other hand, it is not speculative that the reason for our problems is the Obama accomplished so very much so very fast. That, in wkwami's world, is a fact, beyond speculation. Curious dichotomy there, don't you think?" It would be if that's all I actually said or implied. You exaggerate and/or misstate my positions just so you can counter them to fit with your narrative. Yes, it was speculative on my part when I say our problems are due to Obama accomplishing too much too fast, thus creating a backlash. It is however NOT speculative for me to say that Obama indeed accomplished too much too fast when that information is on the public record? Secondly, why is my speculation not just as valid as the ones you make? "I have to laugh out loud at your historical amnesia, wkwami... Do you think he was unpopular in the Democratic party because of The Great Society or the Civil Rights Act?" According to James R. Jones who was LBJ's chief of staff in 196, a variety of reasons, namely, "politics, his legacy, mortality and the war led to his decision to walk away from power". But that is largely besides the point I'm making, which is, in times of great change there will be push back from the other side.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 4:50pm

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AaronW, for the sake of argument let's assume Obama's poor decisions created this reality. The question is what do you propose be done at this point? You didn't lack the ability to propose a 14th Amendment solution to raising the debt ceiling, so go ahead and take a stab at the jobs issue. I'm willing to consider the possibility that folks like me are wrong . Let's hear your suggestion to solving the jobs issue.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 5:07pm

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wkwami, can you read? roidubouloi and I have both already answered your question in detail. In a democracy if a leader falls as disastrously short of a voter's desires and expectations as Obama has fallen short of mine, roidubouloi's, Paul Krugman's, Andrew Sullivan's and many other true Democrats', then the only concrete thing that voter can do to manifest that displeasure is deny said leader his vote. THAT'S what I would--and will--do. I will also communicate that intension to those of my acquaintance to whom I think it might make a difference as well as to leaders of the Democratic Party. I have written to David Price, (D) North Carolina, twice to communicate my displeasure with Obama's handling of the debt ceiling crisis. I told him that Obama had already lost my vote in the 2012 election but that I had not decided how to allocate my vote down-ticket. I told him that I hoped he would vote against any of the debt-ceiling compromises before the House. He did. I checked. And so come 2012 I will not vote a straight Democratic ticket; either I'll leave the president line blank or write someone in, but I will be voting for David Price. Sure, my own contribution is minute and trivial, but so is everyone's. And by writing about it and communicating my opinions, I amplify their effect. Will impeding Obama's reelection advance my liberal goals? Not this election cycle, obviously. But in the longer term perhaps. If other Democratic Party candidates can be taught the lesson that their is no electoral safety in being center-right, in pleasing the Brookings Institution (I had to laugh at that link of yours), then maybe we'll get better candidates.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 5:52pm

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Haven't you turned out to be the sensitive soul, wkwami? You were lately aiming insults in my direction even in a conversation of which I was not a part. A little push-back and you are suddenly nursing wounds and crying foul. When have you responded to anyone here without a nice dose of ad hominem? Not once that I recall. But then, this sort of jab and then cry foul is exactly the technique of political operatives. Sort of like descrying "negative campaigning" while engaged in same. As for Dr. Pangloss, it is not name calling, but a very apt caricature of your oft-stated view that the voters get the government they deserve (all of them apparently, regardless of their views or whom they voted for) and hence have no reason to complain of their elected officials. The analogy makes the case, on the merits, that this response of yours to criticism of elected officials is absurd. It is. Sometimes literary allusion helps us make the point. "It is however NOT speculative for me to say that Obama indeed accomplished too much too fast when that information is on the public record?" Of course it is, in jsut the manner in which you use the word speculative. By what measure can you tell us that Obama accomplished "too much too fast?" Too much for what? How do we know that he did not accomplish too little? Pure speculation. Unknowable, unprovable. I quite agree, however, that your speculation, as you would characterize it, is quite as valid as anyone else's. That indeed is my point. Any claim that is necessarily unprovable can be characterized as speculation. Therefore, to do so is to make a perfectly empty argument so as to discredit -- make it appear that a claim ought not be taken seriously -- without actually having any persuasive or even unpersuasive response. It is a debating tactic, a discreditable one, and should be discredited. I take it that task is accomplished now that you are willing to accept that your claims are as speculative as the next guy's. Re LBJ, you make my point. That his circumstances have nothing whatever to do with Obama, plus Obama's legislative achievements are pimples on the ass of an elephant compared to what LBJ achieved. Most notably, it was not LBJ's legislative achievements that made him unpopular. It was the war. "But that is largely besides the point I'm making, which is, in times of great change there will be push back from the other side." Aaah! Here we come to the nub of it. No, not so. There is ALWAYS push-back from the other side, in times of change, in times of no change. Indeed, the push-back began the moment Obama took office. One cannot infer great achievement by Obama from the fact that the opposition opposes. If one is not to prepared to push-back on the push-back, then he ought not be in political life, because that is the necessity of political life. And that is where Obama has failed. He has demonstrated no ability or willingness to navigate the political world and to parry his opponents. His policy achievements -- some of which are, perversely, only to re-enact the disastrous Republican economic agenda in a time of great need for the opposite -- have therefore come at tremendous political cost, threatening to sink everything positive he has done and then some. The Republicans push-back with a vengeance. Where is Obama's push-back? Your claim is that his achievements made the political cost inevitable, that this is the best of all political outcomes given his achievements. I don't buy it because I don't see that he made any political effort. Then you say that it is speculative that the outcome would have been any different if he had. And you think that the analogy to Dr. Pangloss does you a disservice?

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 6:03pm

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AaronW, please define True Democrats...

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 6:23pm

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Roid, I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on the whole "leader of the democratic party" thing because I'm still not buying it; from where I sit, the Democrats have a hard enough time taking their own sides in arguments (voting against the ACA because it doesn't go far enough? really?!), let alone follow orders from a party "leader". I belong to no organized political party, I'm a Democrat.
As for framing, the only problem Obama has is with the liberals. His problem, having averted a major economic catastrophe that the liberals were prepared to accept in the name of standing their ground, is convincing those liberals he either didn't abandon them or made a better choice. I can't see that happening any time soon. As for the rest, Obama owns the middle and still appears to be the adult in the room, even if liberals hate his guts for betraying them.

- GSpinks

August 4, 2011 at 6:37pm

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Roid, I've said before and I'll say it again... we're just going to have to agree to disagree on our competing narratives of BHO for now as the facts keep getting in your way. To me your entire case against BHO is as weak as your strong suspicion of me as an Obama plant, a narrative you seem to have constructed from what "others" have suggested. Be rest assured though that I will counter your narrative whenever and wherever you try to pass it off as something other than what it is. Signed, Dr. Panglove :)

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 7:02pm

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True Democrats = Democratic Party voters/candidates who believe that the following policies and ideals have intrinsic value worth fighting for and should not be treated as political tokens to be discarded in service to short term expediency: -progressive taxation at a sufficient level to meet the government's, i.e. the people's, needs and maintain a thriving consumer class and hence a thriving economy -a robust social safety net -free, high-quality public education at all levels -a commitment to the construction and maintenance of public infrastructure -a commitment to limiting the influence of big money on our electoral politics -a trust in the findings of science, including social science, with respect to the environment, economics, health and criminal justice You might argue that Obama stands for all of these things only he is a realist, not an idealist, and circumstances have prevented him from advancing very far along the path towards such goals. If you do advance such an argument, I'd call that an Orwellian use of language. As far as I can tell, Obama has convinced himself that he and he alone is the cure for what ails America and therefore anything that serves to get him re-elected is, by extension, what's best for America. Your arguments in support of him, wkwami, are well aligned with this theory of presidential infalability. Whatever Obama does must be the best thing that could have been done. Why? Because he did it and Obama would only ever do what's best.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 7:56pm

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"...as the facts keep getting in your way." What facts, wkwami? When have you ever offered one single solitary fact to refute one of roidubouloi's assertions?

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 7:58pm

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"When have you ever offered one single solitary fact to refute one of roidubouloi's assertions?" I can't refute his assertions any more than I can refute Tea Party assertions that default would not cause financial chaos.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 8:21pm

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More sophistry from wkwami. You said that the facts keep getting in roidubouloi's way. Which facts? Name them. If you can perceive facts standing in roidubouloi's way, you must be able to name them. If you cannot name them, then it simply proves that when you said the facts were standing in roidubouloi's way you were talking out your ass.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 9:06pm

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Oh sure, I am talking out of my ass alright.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 9:18pm

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http://www.frumforum.com/if-the-conservatives-were-right-about-the-economy Further to yesterday’s post about the respective economic acumen of the Wall Street Journal editorial page vs. Prof. Paul Krugman: My conservative friends argue that the policies of Barack Obama are responsible for the horrifying length and depth of the economic crisis. Question: Which policies? Obama’s only tax increases – those contained in the Affordable Care Act – do not go into effect until 2014. Personal income tax rates and corporate tax rates are no higher today than they have been for the past decade. The payroll tax has actually been cut by 2 points. Total federal tax collections have dropped by 4 points of GDP since 2007, from 18+% to 14+%, the lowest rate since the Truman administration. If so minded, you could describe Barack Obama as the biggest tax cutter in American history. We have not seen a major surge in federal regulation, at least by the usual rough metrics: the page count of the Federal Register has risen by less than 5% since George W. Bush’s last year in office. Trade remains as free as it was a decade ago. While the Affordable Care Act itself will eventually have major economic consequences, most of its provisions remain only impending. Energy prices have surged, but that’s hardly a response to administration policies. Conservatives complain about restrictions on drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, but on a planet that produces 63 million barrels of oil per day, a few thousand more or less from the Gulf will not much budge the price of oil. Rising oil prices are a story about Chinese and Indian consumption and Middle Eastern political instability, not about US drilling or lack thereof. The Dodd-Frank bill does somewhat curtail the activities of some banks and investment firms. But is it seriously argued that this could be the cause? Conservatives complain about excess government spending. Fine. But isn’t the evil of excess government spending supposed to be inflation rather than recession? And where’s the inflation? There’s a strong case for condemning Barack Obama for the things he might have done, but did not do. He might have cut payroll taxes more and faster. He might have pushed for more expansionary Federal Reserve governors. He might have designed a better stimulus. All true. But the things he did do? Texas Gov. Rick Perry today urges us to believe that the economy is gripped by the worst slump since the Great Depression because Obama spoke disrespectfully of the owners of private jets. To which I can only say: Really? That’s the indictment? Really?

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 9:42pm

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wkwami, you're proving my point. You mentioned facts, but you can provide no facts. Why not? Are you taking a philosophical position against the existence of such things as facts? If so, where do you get off "facts" as a means to contradict another person's arguments? You said, "The facts keep getting in [roidubouloi's] way." Put differently, your quoted statement means that roidubouloi's description of reality does not comport with actually existing reality. But to support such a conclusion you must be able to offer some description of reality of your own so that the rest of us can compare your version of reality with roidubouloi's. If you cannot offer such a description then your statement that the facts keep getting in roidubouloi's way is perfectly empty. In other words, you're talking out your ass.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 10:27pm

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Really, wkwami. You are rather too self-important. You seem to imagine yourself "countering my narrative" about Obama, but you have nothing at all to say other than "the voters get the government they deserve," any claims about how the world might have been different had Obama done something differently are "speculation," and "the facts [never identified] get in your way." Certainly no facts offered by you get in my way, or anyone's way, as you offer none. You are not countering anything. You aren't even making a point. You are merely repeating meaningless phrases, babbling. If you feel this is a contribution, well, go right ahead. But if you imagine that you are somehow contesting with me, you are kidding yourself. At best you're being mildly annoying.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 10:38pm

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Regarding your most recent post, who are you even arguing with? Has anyone here criticized Obama for raising taxes or increasing the size of government? How bizarre. Those of us in this thread who are critical of Obama criticize him for fighting insufficiently hard to end the Bush tax cuts and for increasing government stimulus spending inadequately. You're making our points for us, wkwami. Do you even realize it?

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 10:39pm

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If you think that the only problem Obama has with framing, GS, is with "liberals," whoever they are as distinct from Democrats, then you missed the last election as you have missed Obama's plummeting approval ratings. ironyroad pointed out somewhere here today that Obama may lay claim to the middle only to find that there is no one there. His grown-up in the room ratings may be sky high, but that is not cutting any ice with voters. Maybe they don't think that demonstrations of his adulthood are as important as the outcomes he achieves or fails to achieve.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 10:43pm

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AaronW, what makes you think everything I share here is meant only for your benefit, or is an attempt to counter your arguments? Talk about self importance. I post whatever I think expands the conversation whether it supports or undercuts my own narrative since the debate benefits from diverse viewpoints. As I said, we have competing narratives, and we're going to have to agree to disagree, especially since you let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

- wkwami

August 4, 2011 at 10:54pm

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Well, wkwami, you certainly don't let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

- roidubouloi

August 4, 2011 at 11:05pm

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"I post whatever I think expands the conversation whether it supports or undercuts my own narrative since the debate benefits from diverse viewpoints." wkwami translated: "I cannot offer any coherent defense of my support for Barrack Obama. I just like the guy. And if anyone offers a criticism of Obama that I am unable to address on its merits, I'll refute criticisms that no one engaged in the present conversation has ventured and in so doing offer arguments that if anything tend to support the criticisms that those I'm debating have put forward." Are you sure you're not working for somebody wkwami? You write as if you're operating under a constraint not to commit to anything too specific but just to hang around always ready with your generic, uncritical support for all things Obama no matter which direction anyone attacks him from.

- AaronW

August 4, 2011 at 11:30pm

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AaromW translated: "I cannot offer any coherent support of my criticism of Barrack Obama. I just dislike the guy. And if anyone offers a support of Obama that I am unable to address on its merits, I'll refute such support that no one engaged in the present conversation has ventured and in so doing offer arguments that if anything tend to critique the support that those I'm debating have put forward." Brilliant! Are you sure you're not working for somebody AaronW (i.e. pill pushing for some pharmaceutical companies?) You write as if you're operating under a constraint not to commit to anything too specific but just to hang around always ready with your generic, sloppy critique of all things Obama no matter which direction anyone supports him from.

- wkwami

August 5, 2011 at 12:12am

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Hehe. Nice try, wkwami. Read back through this thread. I (and others) have listed several specific areas/issues in regards to which Barrack Obama's leadership has failed. You can disagree with any or all of those criticisms, but you can't justifiably characterize them as "incoherent." I listed for you my entirely coherent vision of the policies and goals that the Democratic Party and Democratic leaders should seek to promote. In case it isn't obvious, I assert that President Obama has fallen far short of promoting any such thing. If you wish to counter this criticism you must do one of two things: a) show me how it is that I am mistaken and that Obama has in fact done everything that anyone in his position could possibly do in pursuit of the goals I have outlined or b) show me how it is that the goals I have outlined are mistaken and should not be those of the Democratic Party. Unless and until you can articulate such an argument, you're just playing games. As for me working for a political organization, I realize you were just trying to ridicule my suggestion that you might be doing that, but just in case anyone else reads this and gets confused, tell us for whom I might be working for? I've told you that I don't have an alternative candidate to Obama. Who would I be supporting? The Republicans? Well, that WOULD be devious, wouldn't it? Extreme sock-puppetry... Task a GOP operative to pose as a pissed-off liberal and sow confusion within the Democratic ranks. If I didn't have a 7-year history posting on TNRD first as walto010, then aeromonas, then AaronW all with a consistently left-leaning stance, I'd say it was even faintly plausible.

- AaronW

August 5, 2011 at 2:01am

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/us/politics/05poll.html?_r=2&hp Roid, it would seem Obama's approval ratings are holding steady and if anyone is winning the framing battle, it's him.

- GSpinks

August 5, 2011 at 10:41am

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You think so, GS? Check this out: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html True, Obama did better than the Congress out of the mess, but he isn't going to be running against Congress a year from now. Congressional Republicans, with a large majority, are perfectly happy to be tarred if they can tar Obama in the process. That's the whole point. By getting into the pig sty with them, he got covered with pig shit. If he had just said no, that needn't have happened.

- roidubouloi

August 5, 2011 at 8:22pm

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I think the growing liberal dissatisfaction with Obama accounts for the majority of this summer's approval reversal. Much like with the ACA, where half of the people who didn't like it said it didn't go far enough, I think a significant portion of the disapproval is coming from people who say he hasn't gone far enough in combating the Republican intransigence. Admittedly, the evidence is circumstantial, but I don't believe in coincidences. Liberals start getting hot because Obama is putting the Republitards in their place (which he isn't), and his approval ratings plummet? Sounds like and open-and-shut scenario to me.

- GSpinks

August 9, 2011 at 7:00pm

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