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If it really took a petition to get the Commission on Presidential Debates to choose a woman to referee this year’s rolling smackdown between President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney, then the irony of the moment is that the woman they chose—CNN’s Candy Crowley—did a significantly better job than the man—“dean of moderators” Jim Lehrer of PBS. ABC’s Martha Raddatz, who moderated last week’s vice-presidential debate, did a better job, too. It’s tempting to conclude (from this admittedly slender data set) that moderating presidential debates is yet another one of those 21st-century postindustrial functions that women do, not just as well as men, but in fact better than men. Full Monty dystopia, here we come. Toss Brian Williams a brew while he fires up the Wii.
But I think that's wrong. Or anyway, it's wrong about moderating presidential debates.
I yield to no person, man or woman, in my esteem for the female sex, whose higher-order capabilities in every area (except perhaps barbecuing) reliably match or exceed those of men. Grrrrl power! and all that. I also anticipate that CBS’s Bob Schieffer will next week fall short of Crowley’s and Raddatz’s performance, just as Lehrer’s did. But should that occur, we won’t really have learned that women make better debate moderators than men. The significant dividing line between Crowley and Raddatz on one side and Lehrer and Schieffer on the other isn’t gender. It’s … um… OK, this a distinction that’s not considered very nice to make. Indeed, in certain contexts making this distinction is against the law.
All right, I’ll come out with it. The meaningful difference here is age. I know that sounds extremely offensive, but bear with me.
Before I begin, let me be clear. I in no way intend to suggest that Jim Lehrer, who is 78, and Bob Schieffer, who’s a few months shy of 76, are any less good at their day jobs than they were 20 or 30 years ago. They are not. Long may they preside over the NewsHour and Face The Nation. Nor do I mean to suggest that older people in general are any less fit to perform journalism than younger people. If anything, it’s the opposite. Being myself 54, I am of course obliged by economic self-interest to think so. But the demonstrable fact is that accumulated knowledge and skill in this ever-younger field make employees (assuming they had talent in the first place) more valuable even as their accumulated raises make them more expensive. There are, to be sure, older burnout cases and younger prodigies who contradict this trend, but they are not the majority. If you don’t believe me, compare any recent copy of the Washington Post with any copy from 10 years ago, before financial difficulties required management to start chasing older employees out the door with buyouts. It was a better paper then, and the reason is that it had a deeper institutional memory and in general exhibited more assurance and flair in its writing and reporting. Old people rule.
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I also should stipulate that one important way in which age makes a difference is chronological rather than biological. Because they’re older, Lehrer and Schieffer came up in an era when TV journalists got in people’s faces a whole lot less than they do today. In some ways it was better then (more attention to nuance, less manufactured conflict), and in some ways it wasn’t (more indiscriminate deference, less calling out lies or inconsistencies). Mainly, it was different. And a big part of that difference was that on-air interviews weren’t as tightly paced and elaborately orchestrated and snugly tailored to shrinking attention spans as they are today. That automatically gives an advantage to those, like Raddatz and Crowley, who came up later, because those latter-day skills are increasingly useful—even necessary--as presidential debaters become progressively less inhibited about flouting debate rules and spouting obvious bullshit. (I’m talking about you, Mitt Romney.)
But chronology isn’t the whole story. It is also inescapably true that as a person ages certain capacities are likely to diminish, and that can be relevant to certain specific functions. I would imagine it’s a lot more difficult to be a war correspondent after you hit 70, because the stresses are harder to take. And I think probably it’s harder to moderate presidential debates, because that job, by all accounts, requires far more than the usual level of cranial dexterity and multitasking juju required of a TV interviewer. You have to keep your eye on the clock and you have to consider whether what’s being said on a very broad range of topics is factually accurate and you have to guide Candidate A to responding to this or that point made by Candidate B and then let Candidate B come back with a reply and you have to intervene when they dwell on a topic for too long and you have to at least try to enforce the rules, which as far as I can tell are always incomprehensible. And you have to do all this while looking perfectly calm and collected because since the advent of high-definition television the audience has a view of your every pore. I wouldn’t possess the athleticism to perform this job at 25, much less today. Don’t get me wrong—I have a healthily high opinion of my mind and my journalistic panache. But this specific quiz-kid sort of skill—ulta-rapid delivery, ultra-rapid response, instant-retrieval access to every fact in your brain even as you keep track of five pots bubbling on the stove—has never been my strong suit. It isn’t most people’s. It isn’t most journalists’. It isn’t even most Washington or New York TV journalists’. And I would imagine that among the very small group of people who are really, really good at performing this pressure-cooker task without being glib or wrong or annoying or unfair, or displaying more than the accepted number of facial tics, this is a job that gets a lot harder after you hit, say, 75. Are there exceptions? I’m sure there are. But they only prove the rule.
Martha Raddatz and Candy Crowley aren’t youngsters. Raddatz will turn 60 next year, and Crowley is nearly 64. There isn’t anybody presiding over this year’s presidential and vice-presidential debates who isn’t AARP-eligible. But Raddatz’s and Crowley’s mental agility is very likely speedier and more limber today than it will be 15 years from now. It is also, I suspect, speedier and more limber than Lehrer’s and Schieffer’s is today. And if I’m wrong and it isn’t, it’s still a cinch that it is speedier and more limber than that of most other men—and women—of Lehrer’s and Schieffer’s ages. I’m not suggesting an age limit. I don’t want to get hauled in before the EEOC. But I do think age is a factor that determines how good a debate moderator you’re likely to be.
18 comments
I think it has a lot more to do with personality and style; Lehrer isn't one to bully back in a discussion, he relies on the adherence to the rules, taking turns speaking, and deference to himself in a discussion. Crowley obviously isn't having any of it from Romney; she did seem cowed a bit by Obama towards the end, still not sure if she was right in allowing him to finish his though. Maybe as the one who had most accepted her admonishments to stop talking during the debate, she was more inclined to let him slide once.
- GSpinks
October 18, 2012 at 9:42am
Well, maybe Raddatz and Crowley were better to begin with than Schieffer and Lehrer. After all, women in their sixties had to overcome significant barriers to become well respected in their fields. They had to be better, not as good as, their male peers.
- ReganaD
October 18, 2012 at 10:34am
Lehrer, as I have pointed out a few times, did pick Stuart Taylor and Jan Crawford (Greenburg) as his idea of cracker jack, and presumably non-partisan, Supreme Court reporters for the News Hour. As between differences in age and differences in gender, I suspect it's the latter that make women better debate moderators. After all, women are more accustomed to multitasking and more aware of bullshitting (by men, of course) (that I am approaching the winter of my life has nothing to do with crediting gender rather than age). Coincidentally(?), Gwen Ifill, Lehrer's stand-in on the News Hour, was the moderator of the Palin-Biden debate in 2008. She was credited with doing a good job by most (95%) viewers, although the usual suspects at Fox claimed she had a "financial stake" in an Obama victory (since she had written a book about Obama and race in politics). I'd argue that Fox had a much larger financial stake in an Obama victory; in politics as in life, losers are often the big winners.
- rayward
October 18, 2012 at 11:01am
There are too many variables. Romney may be less likely to bully a woman into having his way (Obama was clearly not prepared in the first debate for Romney forcing himself at every turn.) Also, someone new to being a moderator is more willing to improve on the way things are done. I see no reason to look at a woman moderator any differently. (When I was young, I can remember reacting to the advent of a woman's voice doing the news on the radio as if it lacked seriousness, but that was only a reaction to a change in what was once customary.)
- Nusholtz
October 18, 2012 at 11:10am
Let me put in an endorsement for women as judges. While being "voir dired" for jury duty, I saw a 50-ish woman judge in action. The Assistant DA and the defendants' lawyers were so full of themselves, so cocky, you'd have thought they were shooting-up testosterone in the outer corridor. Lady Judge soon put them to rights. She gave 'em "that look" that told them, in no uncertain terms, that she would take no s**t from them. I doubt a male judge could have pulled that off: he'd probably find himself drawn into a pissing contest with The Boys. Lady Judge, she don't play that game.
- billhub
October 18, 2012 at 2:08pm
Sorry Timothy (I seem to be saying sorry a lot recently), there's no inherent reason that say, slower reaction time should cause a problem. Older people balance these kinds of things out by better discriminating between red meat and garbage. They're also not likely to get caught up in media speak. It's just a matter of preparation for the debates and here newspeople and the networks could help themselves a lot by having a trial debate beforehand so the moderator can get accustomed to pace and style. Debates are their own animal and they have different criteria for evaluating performance of the moderator as well as the actual debaters. One correspondent I think of who would have made an outstanding moderator practically up to the moment he died was Daniel Schorr. He would have sorted all this stuff out in advance and made whatever preparations he deemed necessary to perform his job as moderator splendidly.
- Tgossard
October 18, 2012 at 2:37pm
The longer I live having observed newspeople, anchors and correspondents in their roles, the greater a newsman Schorr I believe him to have been. Right up there with Murrow, Cronkite et al.
- Tgossard
October 18, 2012 at 2:41pm
"I in no way intend to suggest that Jim Lehrer, who is 78, and Bob Schieffer, who’s a few months shy of 76, are any less good at their day jobs than they were 20 or 30 years ago." Uh, why don't you intend to suggest it? It's almost certainly true. Even in the absence of dementia, intellectual capacity goes into decline after age 65 and into steep decline after age 75, and while the knowledge base and soundness of one's reasoning remain relatively intact, the speed of mental processing slows markedly--a failing that almost certainly comes into play in the setting of not just of presidential debate moderation but journalistic interviews of any kind--and rigidity of thinking sets in as well with it becoming increasingly hard for the old person in question to adopt novel beliefs. Now, if you're starting from a high baseline you may well be able to function adequately in your job at an advanced age, and you may well remain better at your job than colleagues who are much younger, but in your formulation, the comparator is your younger self and for essentially no one is it the case that he is as sharp at 75 as at 55 or younger.
- AaronW
October 18, 2012 at 2:45pm
Why no comments here about that large lump of cholesterol, Crowley? Moderating the debate, she obviously was working her clittoral boner for Team Obama. She "corrected" Romney about BO's terrorism comment a day after Benghazi, although it was a generic comment not related to Syria. And Obama & his stooges (or do I repeat myself) did in fact try to pretend that the attack was nonterrorist. To be clear: Romney will lead us into another useless war against Syria or Iran just as Obama will. I have no brief for a useless neocon like Mitt. But why is TNR wasting time on geezer moderator hypotheticals, when Crowley, Her Royal Obesity, is allowed to perform her labia majora fan dance for Obama w/no comment from TNR?
- raygun
October 18, 2012 at 4:05pm
"Are Jim Lehrer and Bob Schieffer Too Old To Moderate Debates?" You bet. Way totally. raygun, Your comments are offensive to me, and I ain't a woman.
- magboy47.
October 18, 2012 at 4:12pm
Yes, Lehrer and Schieffer are too old, too establishment, and too bland. Women are not inherently better, but Raddatz and Crowley shined.
- amidut
October 18, 2012 at 4:22pm
mag: just because you ain't a woman doesn't mean you are a man. And what does that have to do w/the substance of the Obama Administration lies about the cause of the Syria attacks? To which you have no response. Being easily "offended" to no purpose is kind of a swishy-feminine response, yes? That may explain the "boy" part of your name, as a passive/bottom receiver.
- raygun
October 18, 2012 at 4:29pm
raygun, If you hate both the debate candidates, the moderator, and the blogger and the commenters here, why even check in? You're banging your head against the wall. I hope it feels good when you stop.
- magboy47.
October 18, 2012 at 5:53pm
raygun, oy. That is so wrong. Ms. Crowley is a brilliant woman and her moderating was terrific. You gotta a problem with that? You are so beyond shallow.
- Sophia
October 18, 2012 at 6:12pm
And magboy doesn't deserve your nastiness either. The end. For the record, "femininity" isn't weak. Just sayin'. Or swishy. I think you got a problem.
- Sophia
October 18, 2012 at 6:14pm
As for the point of the article, people do age at different rates. I think in this case Mr. Lehrer was taken aback by the aggression of Mr. Romney and that is the primary reason for both his and President Obama's passivity. Age may have been a factor, but not necessarily. It's a fair question though, if only because mores have changed so much and the style of journalism isn't what it was but also, we're a country that increasingly seems to be polarizing, especially to the Right - we don't really have a hard left with any kind of real power. None of the TV journalists except MSNBC have really tried to grapple with this. And who could have been prepared for Moderate Mitt, switching positions completely in the Denver debate then going into full boss man mode? It was pretty shocking.
- Sophia
October 18, 2012 at 6:20pm
PS raygun do you think Benghazi is in Syria?
- Sophia
October 18, 2012 at 6:21pm
Scene: a town in Syria. A plane goes overhead. A parachute appears and eventually a man lands and comes over to some resistance fighters. RAYGUN: Hey, I'm from America and - The crowd of fighters starts whooping and cheering, yelling in Arabic. RAYGUN: Ok, Ok, great, but I need to get to -- Cheering goes on, now children and mothers are running from the nearby houses to see the American. RAYGUN (getting frustrated): Can you guys just tell me how to get to Benghazi? The cheering goes on for a few seconds, and suddenly stops. One man who speaks some English steps forward. MAN: Where? RAYGUN: Benghazi. I'm gonna kill me some terrorists, yessir! MAN turns to crowd, says something in Arabic. The crowd mutters ominously and stares at Raygun. MAN: Benghazi is in Libya. A thousand miles away. RAYGUN: Oh. (gets out iphone, tries to open an app) Aren't we in Libya? MAN (gritting teeth): No, Syria. It's a different country. We have a big war here. RAYGUN: Can't worry about that buddy. Got to get to Benghazi. That Obama messed up and now I have to take care of things. So, which way is it? MAN: Keep going until you hit the Mediterranean, then turn left and follow the coastline. RAYGUN (types insult for TNR discussion board, hits 'send'): Sounds good. Stay safe, y'all! MAN shakes his dead in disbelief. The crowd disperses.
- ironyroad
October 18, 2012 at 7:45pm