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Nobody familiar with the electoral map should be surprised that the auto industry keeps coming up in the presidential campaign, as it did on Monday night during a debate that was supposed to focus on foreign policy. The entire election could come down to Ohio. And in Ohio, about one out of every eight jobs has ties to the carmakers. Take it from somebody who lives over the border in Michigan, the only state that has even more auto-related jobs than Ohio. In these parts, people care a lot about what Obama did—and what Romney might have done—when Chrysler and General Motors were in trouble.
But those of us in auto country shouldn’t be the only ones thinking about this episode. Perhaps more than any presidential campaign in recent memory, this election offers a set of stark choices. Obama and Romney have very different philosophies of government. And they have very different leadership styles. The auto industry story puts these contrasts into almost perfect relief.
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The American automakers were in trouble long before Chrysler and GM came to Washington in late 2008, seeking emergency assistance. Once models of American efficiency and emblems of American industrial power, the companies had struggled to keep up with foreign competitors. Unburdened by the same union contracts and obligation to provide health benefits, and guided by more imaginative leadership, these foreign competitors paid lower compensation and built better cars. By the 1980s, all three American carmakers, including Ford, were losing market share. It was only a matter of time before they were losing money.
Ford was the first to take matters into its own hands, largely because it ran into trouble first. In the 1990s, while the economy was strong, it began reinventing itself as a leaner, stronger firm. Chrysler and GM were slower to react. By 2008, they were building better, more appealing cars than they had been. But they hadn’t restructured their operations as fully as Ford had: They hadn’t reduced capacity to match their diminished market share. They hadn’t fully renegotiated agreements with labor and suppliers to keep up with the competition. They bled money and, once the economy collapsed, they simply couldn’t pay their bills. That's when they came to Washington, begging for help.
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President Bush gave them a temporary loan, enough to get them through the beginning of 2009—and leaving the industry’s fate up to Obama, once he took office. Under the same law that rescued the financial industry, Obama had unilateral authority to authorize a loan. He didn't have to negotiate with Congress, the way he had with the stimulus and would soon do with health care reform. The decision would rest with him and him alone.
But plenty of people were telling Obama not to act. As they saw it, government shouldn’t be in the business of rescuing companies or industries. The economy works best when the market functions without interference, they said, even if that means companies fail and people lose jobs. Instead of asking government for help, they suggested, Chrysler and GM should do what companies usually do when they run out of money: Downsize and reorganize under the supervision of a bankruptcy judge, using loans from the private sector to finance operations while the reorganization is underway.
The counter-argument, made by folks like me, was that the auto industry crisis was an unusual situation requiring unusual action. Because of the financial crisis, no private lender was in a position to provide Chrysler and GM with funds. If government turned down the companies, their only recourse would be liquidation—they’d have to shut down operations and sell off their assets. Their workers, numbering in the hundreds of thousands, would quickly become unemployed. And the damage wouldn’t stop there. The companies that provided Chrysler and GM with parts would start shutting down, disrupting the entire supply chain and threatening even relatively healthy carmakers, like Ford. Credible estimates suggested that more than a million people would lose their jobs—at the very moment when, because of the very same financial crisis, hundreds of thousands of Americans were already losing jobs every month.
As you know, Obama decided on a rescue. He was actually tougher on the companies than most people remember: He forced them into bankruptcy, a move many of us thought might handicap them permanently, and he extracted concessions from all parties. (Yes, even the labor unions.) But Obama's decision to back the companies was firm and unequivocal. The industry was too important, he said, to the Midwest and to the nation as a whole. If government did not act to save it, nobody would. And the effects could be catastrophic.
What would Romney have done? It’s impossible to know for sure—in part, because he’s made made inconsistent and, at times, contradictory statements. Those of you who want to read the full story can check out the item I posted on early Tuesday morning, right after the debate, describing the many different positions he's taken. But Romney has been relatively consistent on one point: He wanted the automakers to get financing from the private sector. They could ask the government to backstop warranties on the cars and to guarantee "post-bankruptcy" financing, but they should go to the private sector for the actual loans—even though such loans would have been impossible to get. Even Bain Capital rejected an appeal, according to published reports.
Like other critics of the rescue, Romney opposed government loans because he doubted that officials could run the auto industry in a way that was good for the carmakers, its workers, and the country as a whole. But that is precisely what has happened. Today, Chrysler and GM are making money. They are also making good cars. Only time will tell whether they can thrive in the long term. But, for now, all three domestic carmakers have stopped shedding workers and, these days, nary a month goes by when the news doesn’t make announcements about new shifts or new hires at the local plants. Next week, for example, a Chrysler plant in north Detroit will welcome 1,100 new workers to help meet rising demand for the company’s Jeep Cherokee.
The effects on the regional economy have also been impressive. Overall, unemployment in the auto-producing states has fallen more quickly than in any other part of the country. And while Michigan’s unemployment rate went up to 9 percent last month, after falling precipitously for most the last three years, Ohio’s sits at 7 percent. That's below the national average, although the auto sector's strong performance is one reason the national economy has been improving over the last two years.
The Obama Administration can't take all the credit for all of this. But it can take a lot, as even some former critics of the rescue have conceded. “An apology is due to Barack Obama,” the editors of the Economist magazine wrote in August, 2010. “His takeover of GM could have gone horribly wrong, but it has not.”
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Looking back, the key disagreement between Obama and Romney wasn’t over whether the auto industry should survive. It was over whether the government should act to make the industry's survival possible—whether, facing an instance of market breakdown, the government should intervene in order to protect hundreds of thousands, and maybe more than a million, people from losing their jobs.
And that’s really the same philosophical argument Obama and Romney are having when they debate other areas of policy. When investors take risks that exploit consumers and jeopardize the economy, should government stop investors from taking those risks? When health insurers make profits by discriminating against people with serious medical issues, should government force insurers to treat those people like everybody else? When manufacturers and energy companies fill the air with carbon, creating climate problems that will affect everybody on the planet, should government find ways to curb their activities? Obama thinks the answer to these questions is yes. Romney thinks it is no.
But the Detroit rescue reveals another difference between the two—one that is more about character than ideology. In 2009, you didn't need a crystal ball to see that Michigan, Ohio, and the rest of the midwest would be important parts of the 2012 election. But rescuing the companies would entail its own risks. The public by that point was tired of bailouts and, according to polls, they didn’t find the autoworkers a whole lot more sympathetic than the bankers. Conditioned by years of anti-union propaganda and stories (or personal experiences) with substandard American cars, the American public had come to see employees of the Big Three as pampered, slothful, and undeserving of help. Even in the Midwest, where the effects of a shutdown would be most acute, the rescue elicited mixed responses.
Obama understood this. Even if the rescue worked as he hoped it would, chances were good that progress would be slow in coming—that, by today, the companies would still be struggling, creating a political embarrassment. Obama approved the rescue anyway. And that included granting assistance to Chrysler. Half of his economic advisers opposed that, fearing, among other things, the shrinking car market was too small to support both companies. Obama’s rationale was simple: If he had the power to stop the devastation of either company shutting down, he was going to use it.
Romney’s inconsistent rhetoric may leave us wondering precisely what he really thought and would have done. But they tell us a lot about how he operates in the face of political pressure. When Romney was trying to appease conservatives and win the Republican primaries, he went out of his way to attack the rescue as a waste of taxpayer dollars. When Romney was trying to win over voters in Michigan and, now, as he has been trying to win over voters in Ohio, he has emphasized the similarities between the remedy he proposed initially and the solution Obama eventually chose. Can anybody who’s followed these shifts say honestly Romney has the mettle to make a tough decision and stick with it?
Put it all together, and it’s possible to draw from the auto industry rescue a pretty good lesson about the real differences between Obama and Romney. Obama understands that the market doesn’t always work on its own—that sometimes government must intervene in order to protect Americans from economic harm. Romney doesn’t. Obama is also willing to act in the face of political peril. Romney isn’t.
Those differences should matter to all Americans, not just those of us who live in Michigan and Ohio.
Update: I reworded a few passages for clarity and added some more historical context, including a line about the fact that the American automakers were responsible for providing health and retirement benefits—a burden foreign competitors did not have to bear. For more on that, see this article I wrote about the history of the United Auto Workers and the noble, if ill-fated, effort to provide through the private sector what most countries do through the public sector. Also, Romney on Thursday claimed that Chrysler was moving Jeep production to China. His source were online reports that turn out to be untrue. Chrysler is simply ramping up production for Chinese consumers.
36 comments
"They hadn’t renegotiated agreements with labor and suppliers to keep up with the competition.". Always a mention of labor taking pay cuts, but never a mention of management taking cuts too. The sentence should read: 'Management hadn't set an example by taking meaningful pay cuts, while asking union members and suppliers to do the same'.
- jet
October 26, 2012 at 2:45am
GM has 91K employees in the US. There is $25B outstanding on the loan. What does a worst case look like? Assume the $25B doesn't get paid back, GM completely shuts down in 2015, and thus the loan helped keep GMs 91K US workers employed for 6 years through a very nasty down turn. That works about to about $45K/year to keep a good paying job. That's a pretty good deal, actually, for the economy and for the taxpayer. The green jobs ROI has been much, much, much worse.
- seattleeng
October 26, 2012 at 3:12am
"...the mettle to make a tough decision and stick with it?" You mean "mettle" like promising to close GITMO prison, and then not? btw, the main reason the auto industry is doing so well is that they have been able to pass along the Fed's very low low interest rates to consumers because auto financing is separate from credit cards (12% - such a deal! for the banks) and mortgages. I fully supported the auto bailout despite my disdain for GM destroying itself for over 30 years. For a campaign about "Forward", it sure focuses on re-litigating who said what three years ago. However, when Illinois, California, or New York start shafting their bondholders, how can ANY president bail them out? "...Reporting on a bipartisan task force report on Illinois’ grotesquely mismanaged finances, [NYT's]Walsh tells it like it is. As Walsh summarizes the findings of the task force co-chaired by Paul Volcker and Richard Ravitch: Illinois has the lowest credit rating of the 50 states and has America’s second-biggest public debt per capita, $9,624, including state and local borrowing. Only New York State’s debt is bigger, at $13,840 per capita. But Illinois has not been able to use much of the borrowed money to keep its roads, bridges and schools in good working order, because years of shoddy fiscal practices have taken a heavy toll, the report said. ..." [Basically, Illinois can never pay it's public sector pension obligations, as reported by the New York Times, and analyzed here:] http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/10/25/news-from-obamas-home-state/
- K2K
October 26, 2012 at 7:11am
The only question is whether government plays a role in advancing capitalism. The President says, "yes!" Romney says, no, yes, no, yes, no, yes, no; but "yes," if there is something in it for him and his heirs, like his plan for top rate tax cuts and estate tax repeal, which he claims (despite overwhelming contradicting evidence in studies and the last 12 years) will cause fantastic growth in the economy.
- Nusholtz
October 26, 2012 at 7:53am
Viable business models in financial trouble rarely liquidate. Proof is in the list of Berkshire Hathaway holdings. If GM had gone through a traditional bankruptcy Bain Capital among others would have invested in GM.
- dbaker9544
October 26, 2012 at 8:49am
My understanding is that the Feds asked Bain Capital to invest in GM, and they refused. If they HAD invested in GM, they'd have wanted to make off with the Retirement Account, then liquidated the other assets -- maybe sell them to the Japanese or Chinese. The problem was, by November 2008, GM had already raided their Retirement Account, transitioned it to the Feds, and nobody could get a loan to buy off the 'other assets', making them effectively worthless. To Bain Capital and other PRIVATE financial institutions at the time, anyway. What Obama did at that time was the most brilliant economic move, which saved GM and Chrysler, and turned GM in a mere 4 years from a worthless bankrupt company into the company selling the most cars in the world. It might not have been Bain Capital profitable, but Ohio and Michigan and GM are certainly happy about it. The rest of us should be too.
- AllanL5
October 26, 2012 at 8:58am
He wanted the automakers to get financing from the private sector. So instead of writing an editorial, why didn't Romney pick up the phone, get a lot of his buddies in the private sector together, and work out a loan package to the auto industry? He could have then taken credit for saving it. So why didn't he do so? Because it looked like a suckers bet at the time. Why not a single reporter anywhere has asked Romney this question shows just how shitty reporters are nowadays. K2K, how can Obama defend his record without looking backward at it? You call it relitigation, I call it setting the record straight. As to after the election if he wins, of course his admin. will go forward...what else can it do?
- blackton
October 26, 2012 at 9:09am
...some have averred that the K-car days of bailout didn't succeed; that a "full-fledged bankruptcy" for Chrysler would have been better--or maybe the slow failure of AMC, once propped up by Renault in a flawed deal, etc. yet so far, i've failed to find any (and specific/useful) reports on Romboy's thoughts on all this, tho we have smatterings...that suggest that romney might be full of opinions about back then....
- cdmcl3
October 26, 2012 at 9:57am
How much money has the US government given to GM? Doesn't the government influence the decisions GM makes? Has the government requested that GM manufacture the Volt? According to a recent article in Forbes, GM may need to file for bankruptcy again, because of structural costs, including labor and benefits. Was there another way to save GM and Chrysler, other than the Obama method? Why was Romney's remedy incorrect? Ford did not need government help. Has anyone, other than a partisan, concluded that Obama's plan will strengthen GM for the long-term? Mr. Cohn's conclusion that Obama knows anything about markets, global or otherwise, is based upon nothing. Romney has more knowledge of markets than Obama. How can anyone dispute this. Moreover, Romney supported government guarantees, the extent of which are unknown. As far as "mettle" is concerned, Romney has been successful in every private sector enterprise in which he has been involved. Obama has not participated in a single private sector enterprise. By saying that Romney has no "mettle," Mr. Cohn has adulterated an otherwise well-written column with his partisan left-wing leanings.
- john336
October 26, 2012 at 11:18am
Let's be honest. Republicans crash our economy and the Democrats are left to recover it--with no help (in fact, opposition) from the people who crashed it. Them's the facts. The auto bailout is just another example of this.
- magboy47.
October 26, 2012 at 1:03pm
john336 - Does the government influence decisions at GM? Surely by now we'd have evidence if they did/had, beyond replacing the CEO and board at the start. This should be an easy question to answer. Same for "requests" that they manufacture the Volt. Aside from the impossibility of the timeline from the bailout to bringing it to market, either you have some massively successful conspiracy theory that everyone at GM is keeping a lid on, or the Government didn't. Again, easy to test that question. Was there another way to save GM and Chrysler, other than the Obama method? Why was Romney's remedy incorrect? Ford did not need government help Well, given that Obama clearly acted reluctantly after it became obvious that there wasn't going to be any other options, I'd say the answer is pretty obvious. And what was Romney's remedy exactly? Could you clarify?. And Ford DID need government help to keep its supply chain in place, a point Cohn specifically discussed. Romney has more knowledge of markets than Obama. How can anyone dispute this I'd dispute it, and since you're only making an assertion rather than providing any evidence, that's pretty easy.
- Nari224
October 26, 2012 at 1:53pm
blackton - while I paid zero attention to the campaign from Feb-Aug, all accounts are that Obama chose to attack the GOP and Romney far more than defending Obama's own record or defining any change for the next four years. In the debate, Obama claims credit for the auto bailout while attacking Romney for what Romney wrote in an op-ed more than three years ago. We will never know if there was any alternative to the manner in which the Obama admin re-structured GM, and essentially gave Chrysler to Fiat. Ford had better leadership, and took a "bet the company" approach, in time, by mortgaging every Ford asset for $50BIL in working capital. As a Saab owner since 1976 (3 cars in 36 years), I did follow the global auto crisis very closely in 2008-2009. How easy people forget that GM had already proposed to sell Opel to Russians, with Merkel's approval, and then Obama stopped that, creating huge friction with Merkel for at least a year. And, save the electrons guys - the government of Sweden went out of their way to NOT help save Saab, which one could use as an example to criticize Romney's alleged approach. Except, there was capital interested in buying Saab. The government of Sweden interfered with the three offers that were deemed politically incorrect for Sweden.
- K2K
October 26, 2012 at 2:09pm
Obama may have saved GM (that remains to be seen) but what he did to the bondholders that is just plain WRONG. Bondholders were the senior-most creditors and they were "thrown under the bus" by Obama in favor of the UAW and to preserve the bloated wages and public-sector level pensions and benefits of GM workers. Like they say, put your money where your mouth is and, as someone who once worked in the automotive industry and would never have bought a foreign car (no longer even a meaningful distinction), I have abandoned GM and Chrysler. I have driven their cars and they are just NOT as good as Toyotas and Hondas, or even Hyundais. Maybe if you want a giant gas-guzzling SUV they're OK...and the hybrids and electric cars pretty much are all but useless.
- dalefogden
October 26, 2012 at 2:13pm
The UAW made concessions as well, but certainly part of GM's problem was the unavoidable fact of our employer-based health coverage system in the U.S. That's been one of the reasons why labor costs are a bigger percentage of the total automobile production here than in Europe.
- ironyroad
October 26, 2012 at 6:45pm
"Romney has more knowledge of markets than Obama. " This impresses me that people have such confidence in Romney. Romney's plan for the economy is his tax plan and he doesn't know what his tax plan is. At first Romney claimed that tax cuts would stir the economy, but then said his plan is revenue neutral, so any tax cuts would have to be offset by revenue increases on somebody -- which raises the question of how it will stimulate the economy?
- Nusholtz
October 26, 2012 at 9:12pm
K2K said, "You mean 'mettle' like promising to close GITMO prison, and then not?" Irrelevant cheap shot, since, unlike in the case of the auto bailout, he can't do that in any responsible way without Congress's cooperation. One could, I suppose, make that a leadership issue, pretending that this Congress could in any way be led to cooperate.
- frippo
October 27, 2012 at 12:34pm
met·tle/ˈmetl/Noun: A person's ability to cope well with difficulties or to face a demanding situation in a spirited and resilient way. Joe Biden asks the dad [whilst standing by the coffin] of the Navy Seal killed in Benghazi, Tyrone Woods, if he always had balls the size of cue balls. Yeah, mettle sure describes the spirit and resiliency of Obama/Biden
- K2K
October 27, 2012 at 1:43pm
K2K "Joe Biden asks the dad [whilst standing by the coffin] of the Navy Seal killed in Benghazi, Tyrone Woods, if he always had balls the size of cue balls. Yeah, mettle sure describes the spirit and resiliency of Obama/Biden" Where did it say that Biden asked that question?
- arnon1
October 27, 2012 at 8:11pm
k2k must be the only disabled man in America voting for Romney.
- arnon1
October 27, 2012 at 8:12pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223554/Did-son-balls-size-cue-balls-Bidens-bizarre-question-father-Navy-SEAL-died-Benghazi-attack.html So far, Biden has not denied this mettle-ful question to Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, former Navy SEAL who was murdered in the Benghazi firefight on 9/11/2012. Historically, Vice Presidents often represent the USA at funerals. One would hope they are given note cards of appropriate messages of condolence for reference.
- K2K
October 28, 2012 at 7:31am
K@K quotes a British Tabloid as legitimate news and expects to be taken seriously. I don't know what K@K's disability is, but his voting for Romney and quoting British tabloids the equivalent of The Inquirer" as legitimate news is any indication his mental functionality may be part of his disability. "Historically, Vice Presidents often represent the USA at funerals. One would hope they are given note cards of appropriate messages of condolence for reference." K@K knows nothing about how the military buries its death. Military and civilian officials (often on the local level) will attend the funerals of members of the armed forces both (active and retired) if they can't personally attend they delegate that function. This isn't unusual. When I was in the military one of my duties was to attend for a few months such funerals. Military members are rotated in these duties. It was a pretty sad time for those of us who had to attend these funerals. k@k is being nasty when he claims without proof, (the phrase "One would hope" is a sign of a lack of proof) that the US government did not respond properly to the death of a soldier. This is what counts for political views on the part of this disabled civilian who has been and is on medical welfare, yet says that he will vote for the party that wants to cut back or eliminate help given to disabled citizens like himself. Either k@K is lying or he is non compos mentis and fails to understand what is and is not in his own best interest.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 12:30pm
take your meds arnon. you asked: "Where did it say that Biden asked that question?" If you read the DailyMail article, you would see a balanced skepticism of the right-wing focus on Benghazi. It still cites that Charles Woods, father of Tyrone Woods, former Navy SEAL who was murdered in the Benghazi firefight on 9/11/2012 says what Biden said, and Biden has not denied he said "Did your son always had balls the size of cue balls?". Does arnon represents how partisan Democrats treat the disabled (you do not know what workplace exposure to dioxin does to the human body)? btw, I have never said if or who I am voting for President. Just because a registered lifelong democrat criticizes Obama does not (yet) make them a republican. and, I guess it never occurs to a bully like arnon that even the disabled might have "homes" in two different states, solely for health reasons, now unravelling. I paid more in taxes when I did work than I shall ever collect in "medical welfare", a term that usually only comes from the far far right. so, send me to the 'Democratic Party Death Camp for the Disabled'. It would be better than this slow painful death, with less than two years remaining assuming current symptoms are not lymphoma. That would speed things up.
- K2K
October 28, 2012 at 2:17pm
Screwy K@K says: "If you read the DailyMail article, ...." Why does any intelligent voter need to read a British tabloid about the US election. Don't you trust the US tabloids, like the NY Post, etc? "so, send me to the 'Democratic Party Death Camp for the Disabled'.' You are a creepy paranoid, tabloid K2K.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 2:33pm
"and, I guess it never occurs to a bully like arnon that even the disabled might have "homes" in two different states," You are the bully trying to get a Party elected that will try to dismantle whatever is left of the safety net for poor and disabled people. There is much about you say about yourself that just doesn't add up, K@K. No intelligent person who is disabled would vote for the Republicans unless they have financial means and wouldn't need to the help of government agencies. "I paid more in taxes when I did work than I shall ever collect in "medical welfare"...." I don't believe you. Show me the pay stubs. ""medical welfare", a term that usually only comes from the far far right" That's right it does, and you will be hearing a lot of it, once they get elected with your help. Ot maybe you are under the illusion that Ryan is not a far right loony or that Romney won't play along with them.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 2:43pm
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/10/28/the-benghazi-story-refuses-to-die-and-its-hurting-the-president/ October 28, 2012 "The Benghazi Story Refuses To Die, And It’s Hurting The President" Walter Russell Mead "We still don’t know exactly what happened between the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA and the White House as Americans in Libya requested support for Ambassador Stevens and his team in their final hours, and we almost certainly won’t before the election. ... Talk of threats and terrorist enemies appalls and disheartens the Democratic base. The President therefore decided to run as the man who built peace and, if given four more years, would build that much more. He therefore needs for the world to look calm. Anything that undercuts that narrative undercuts his campaign. This is the most important problem Benghazi creates for him: it suggests a genuinely poisonous alternative narrative that the President in his naive eagerness to spread democracy and build bridges to moderates opened the door to radicals and then failed to deal with the threat they posed. The rise of this alternative perception is probably why the President has been losing his advantage on foreign policy in the post-debate polls. The MSM has not pursued the Benghazi story with anything like the single minded pack journalism feeding frenzy that would undoubtedly have taken place if something comparable had happened, say, in October 2004; nevertheless there has been just enough real news (and Fox and the blogosphere have just enough impact) to keep the story in public view. President Obama needs Benghazi to go away. Even with hurricanes and tsunamis it appears unlikely to do so; count this as another factor that has risen up to complicate what once looked like a relatively smooth campaign to renew President Obama’s White House lease."
- K2K
October 28, 2012 at 3:00pm
K@K quotes a Republican blogger as if he were a neutral reporter expressing a disinterested truth.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 3:22pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/28/father_of_navy_seal_killed_in_libya_a_pack_of_lies_from_the_obama_administration.html [transcipt] "WOODS: This news that he disobeyed his orders does not surprise me. My son was an American hero. And he had the moral strength to do what was right, even if that would professionally cost him his job, even if it would potentially cost him his life. He was a hero who was willing to do whatever was necessary, to respond to their cries for help. If, in fact, those people from the White House were as courageous and had the moral strength that my son, Ty, had, immediately, within minutes of when they found there was the first attack, they would have sent, they would have given permission, not denied permission for those C130s to have gone up there {…] I don’t know much about weapons, but it’s coming out right now that they actually had laser targets focused on the mortars that were being sent to kill my son and they refused to pull the trigger, they refused to send those C30s. To me, I’m an attorney. This may not be the legal test of murder, but to me, that is not only cowardice, but those people who made the decision and who knew about this decision and lied about it — are murderers of my son. That is a very strong statement for me to make, but for their benefit, they need to clear their conscience. They need to stand up and they need to change the direction of their lives. I want to say right now, you know who you are. I totally forgive you, but I hope years from now, you change the direction of your life. KELLY: Charlie, do you feel like you are getting straight answers from the administration on this? WOODS: This is all a pack of lies. That is one thing as the father whose son who was killed, I do not appreciate lies. I do not appreciate cowardice, and I do not appreciate lies. I’m a loving person. I love my son and I want to honor him, and I hope I’m not speaking too strongly, but I am very glad the facts are coming out right now. The reason I am even speaking up, our family had made the decision not to say anything, but after the facts came out that in real-time, the White House, minutes after the first bullet was fired, they watched my son, they denied his pleas for help. My son violated his orders in order to protect the lives of at least 30 people. He risked his life to be a hero. I wish that leadership in the White House had that same level of moral courage and heroism that my son displayed with his life. KELLY: As we look at the beautiful pictures that you gave us of Ty when he was younger, when he was in high school, the picture of the two of you together, we remember his legacy. He is an American hero, Charlie. I will give you the last word. WOODS: You know, I appreciate that. And I sent you those pictures of Ty in high school. And I wanted you to show those to the people out there for one reason, and that is so that people could be inspired and to know that Ty was just a normal kid. We were an imperfect family, but we were a normal family. I would hope that his legacy would live on, and that we would raise up a generation of American heroes. And that they would be inspired by his pictures and by his life. And that we would raise up a generation of American heroes that are strong morally and strong in every other aspect of their lives. We do not need another generation of liars who lack the moral strength that my son, who was an American hero, had. Thank you. Megyn: Charlie Woods, all the best to you and your family. WOODS: I really appreciate what’s happening. I really wish the best for those people that allowed my son to be murdered. I mean that very sincerely. I want the best for them. They need to stand up, and they need to change the direction of their lives. Thank you. KELLY: Thank you. All the best, sir. I know I speak for a lot of our viewers when I say that your son will be missed, and we honor his memory today. WOODS: Thank you for honoring him today"
- K2K
October 28, 2012 at 3:26pm
no one on earth considers Walter Russell Mead "a Republican blogger" except arnon, who apparently is unable to read anything not pure Democratic talking points that include the implication that anyone else is a liar or a racist.
- K2K
October 28, 2012 at 3:30pm
"WOODS: This is all a pack of lies. That is one thing as the father whose son who was killed, I do not appreciate lies." What does one expect a distraught father of a son who was killed? I remember when Bush was in office and an American had been beheaded in Iraq by sadistic Jihadists he accused Bush holding him personally responsible for his death, Presidents are often accused by bereaved parents of children killed by enemies. Why is this news. Of course the right will try to use it in an election year, just as the other side would use it the Republicans had been in office.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 3:55pm
"no one on earth considers Walter Russell Mead "a Republican blogger" except arnon, who apparently is unable to read anything not pure Democratic talking points that include the implication that anyone else is a liar or a racist.' Russel Mead whom I read at times is a conservative blogger. Many anti-Obama Republicans are racists. Even some honest Republicans have said that: "Former Colin Powell top aide on Republicans: 'My party is full of racists’ Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's chief of staff at the State Department during the Bush Administration, criticized the current Republican Party for basing 'positions on race.'" Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/powell-aide-gop-full-racists-article-1.1193673#ixzz2Acr5E2eG Of course the lying and bigoted K@K would never admit that.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 4:00pm
Here is another link, hope it works. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/powell-aide-gop-full-racists-article-1.1193673
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 4:01pm
Of course the bigot K@K would never admit that his Republican party is full of racists.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 4:03pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell_Mead "...He is a Democrat, and has said he voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential Election. ..." in an attempt to stop arnon from further embarrassment, well, too late, so Have at it!
- K2K
October 28, 2012 at 8:08pm
Whomever Mead voted for in 08 he writes on his blog about the debates as if he were offering Romney advise on how to win the debate: http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/10/22/the-third-debate-romney-needs-a-tie/ Doesn't sound like a Democrat to me.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 8:22pm
K@K needs t stop dodging tough questions: So does K@K admit that Republicans are racists or does this conservative bigot think that Col. Lawrence Wilkerson is lying?
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 8:23pm
K@K brought up Russell Mead so that he wouldn't have to address the more serious question about racism in the GOP. He is beyond embarrassment.
- arnon1
October 28, 2012 at 8:46pm