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Dean Baker read my review of Nate Silver’s new book, The Signal and the Noise, and began his response thus: “It’s best to ignore personal slights in Washington and elsewhere…”
Let me briefly pause here to amplify this statement: It is best to ignore personal slights in Washington and elsewhere. It’s even better to ignore personal slights in Washington and elsewhere that are neither personal nor slights.
Okay, let’s continue. Baker’s beef is with a seemingly innocuous line in my review, in which I posit that “it’s not hard to imagine Silver and his ilk one day letting the air out of an inflating housing bubble.” This somehow drives him batty. He writes:
It shouldn’t be too hard to imagine since that is what some of us were trying to do from 2002 onward. The remarkable story here is that we were ignored at the time and are apparently still ignored even after the fact by people who have the credentials to write in the NYT. …
How is that history can be completely rewritten? The problem was not that people were not making the case that we had an unsustainable housing bubble. The problem was that people with authority chose to ignore the people making the case that there was a bubble. And even now they can claim that the people warning about the bubble did not exist.
This works out well for the bubble deniers since it makes it easier to claim the “who could have known?” defense. But it is not true, and it is outrageous that Scheiber could ignorantly write something like this and the NYT book editor could allow it into print.
Baker, you will not be surprised to learn, was among those who were early to identify the housing bubble. This is to his everlasting credit. But he only seems to have processed the one line in my review that obliquely applies to him, while missing the other 1190 words. If you read that line in context, it’s pretty clear that there’s no suggestion of any kind that the housing bubble went unpredicted by certain prophetic economists. I would never have said or suggested this because: a.) Even if I’d been completely oblivious to such economists before reading Silver’s book, I would have been aware of them afterward, since Silver discusses them at some length. b.) I was not in fact unaware of their existence, having personally written about and spoken to many of them—including one named Dean Baker, whom I wrote about back in 2006 in an obscure outlet called … The New York Times. (I’m actually a big Dean Baker fan. Or at least I was before this exceedingly bizarre and unprovoked tirade).
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The claim I make in the review is closer to the opposite of the one Baker attributes to me. In a nutshell, I argue that the media faces a kind of crisis. There are lots of people saying and writing lots of stuff, but very few who command the authority to move public opinion, the way some intellectuals and journalists were able to a generation or two ago. I posit that Silver may be approaching that bygone level of influence:
What Silver is doing … is playing the role of public statistician — bringing simple but powerful empirical methods to bear on a controversial policy question, and making the results accessible to anyone with a high-school level of numeracy. The exercise is not so different in spirit from the way public intellectuals like John Kenneth Galbraith once shaped discussions of economic policy and public figures like Walter Cronkite helped sway opinion on the Vietnam War. Except that their authority was based to varying degrees on their establishment credentials, whereas Silver’s derives from his data savvy in the age of the stats nerd.
That Silver is taking this on is, by and large, a welcome development. Few journalists have the statistical chops; most scientists and social scientists are too abstruse. Though his approach doesn’t apply to every issue, it’s not hard to imagine Silver and his ilk one day letting the air out of an inflating housing bubble, or unmasking tobacco-company spin, by appealing to nothing but the numbers.
So, just to make crystal clear how this might apply to housing: The point isn’t that no one called the bubble while it was inflating. The point is that some journalists and social scientists tried to warn us, but for whatever reason they didn’t get the message out. Maybe they didn’t have enough stature. Maybe they weren’t able to write and speak in plain English. Maybe they weren’t viewed as ecumenical figures (as opposed to partisans or ideologues). Maybe they just didn’t have a big enough platform. The beauty of Silver is that he has all of these things. If he decides to make the skeptics’ case during the next housing bubble, then maybe the people buying all those houses they can’t afford, to say nothing of the people who are supposed to crack down on fraudster bankers and brokers, will take notice. I would have thought someone like Baker would cheer this development, even if it didn’t bring him any personal credit. Apparently I was wrong.
Update: Baker is still at it, aggressively misrepresenting what I’ve written in a second piece up today. It would be highly compelling stuff if only it were true. But, hey, why let the facts get in the way of a chance to dwell on your personal hobbyhorse.
7 comments
Ehh ... You'd think that, Noam, but even in the field of reading polls properly and providing meta-analyses with historical and statistical rigour, Nate Silver and the aggregators were not able to shut down the David Gergens and George Wills of the world with their intangible and often innumerate reads of the "political atmosphere" that distilled a confusing set of disparate polls into a hazy and often incorrect judgment of the race. Sure, the wonk guests would sometimes show up and spew forth Silverisms to give us a realistic view, and occasionally (but mostly late in the game) a Nate would show up and speak truth (+/- error) to a gaggle of BS from the rest of the guests, but much of television (and a good deal of the print columnist universe) consists of wrongness delivered bluntly. I don't know that making one of the Nates an institutional interpreter of polls at one of the news networks will appreciably change the level of [unrebutted] BS you hear on a typical Meet The Press panel, but it probably can't hurt that at least one not-really-existent department might be staffed by people with much sounder credentials and records than the Karl Roves (and even less knowledgeable alternatives!) who currently spout off about politics every hour of the day on 24-hour news networks. So yeah. Nate 2, MSM inertia 47. It's still early in the game, but given the even hazier data when it comes to lots of other topics of political discussion and opinion, I think I can start to count my chickens within the confidence interval.
- chaitless
November 12, 2012 at 12:38am
I look Baker's response saying more about Baker. If you think you are really smart because you figured out the housing bubble that led to a mortgage crisis, then everything is a hammer.
- Nusholtz
November 12, 2012 at 6:12am
Why is it that we must be guided by oracles, be it Warren Buffett to lead us to riches or Nate Silver to avoid the next economic crisis. Can Nate Silver really foretell the future? A prophet with a calculator? Predicting who will win next year's world series cannot be reduced to a mathematical formula. And neither can the business cycle. Why? Human actors. And as we know, or at least I know, human behavior cannot be predicted with precision. Heck, even military heroes act irrationally and do the unexpected. Now if we can take human actors out of the equation, Silver may well be the prophet we have been waiting for.
- rayward
November 12, 2012 at 9:57am
Now, if we may leave the spiritual world and the land of soothsayers for a moment and return to DC politics and economics, I understand that McConnell has hinted that he would accept one dollar in tax increases for one dollar in cuts to entitlement spending. Doing the numbers, over the next ten years the Bush tax cuts amount to about $4 trillion in revenues. Over the past ten plus years, Congress "borrowed" almost $3 trillion from the social security trust fund, using the proceeds mostly to offset income tax cuts for the wealthy but also to pay for such things as the war in Iraq. McConnell has said many times that, if it were up to him, he would not repay those "loans" with income tax revenues, an amazing, but honest, political position that has received little attention in the media. Anybody notice how McConnell's dollar for dollar grand bargain has essentially the same effect as not using income tax revenues to repay the "loans". Okay, back to the soothsayers.
- rayward
November 12, 2012 at 10:22am
Agreed with your take Noam. As soon as I read through Bakers response, before I got to your clarification, it was clear he was missing your point about the public visibility of the messenger. Nice NYT review of Silver's book too. If anything, Baker's taking out his frustration of not being visible enough to make a difference, on your piece.
- jet
November 12, 2012 at 2:38pm
I think Baker's point is that no one should have needed a "public statistician" to identify the housing bubble, to characterize its importance, and to take action (the power structure) or to sound the alarm loudly and widely (the press). The power structure was oblivious. Nearly all of the press was simply uninterested. The failure of the press did not result from a lack of statistical chops. It resulted from a lack of interest in a story that was not in any way sexy. If Silver had been working on the housing bubble instead of the election, he most likely would have been ignored, and would now be considered just another wonk.
- potterte
November 12, 2012 at 11:07pm
Ditto potterte. The housing bubble was puffing up in plain view. It didn't get addressed because that would have been politically inconvenient for Republicrats and their clones in the press and finance industries. Everyone knew, or should have known, what was coming. The deciders just wanted to play right up to the edge because the money was good and "ownership society" has a nice vote-catching ring to it.
- Robert Powell
November 13, 2012 at 12:05pm