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Go Home Between Idealism And Realism In Iran

THE PLANK JUNE 16, 2009

Between Idealism And Realism In Iran

Peter Scoblic is the executive editor of The New Republic and the author of U.S. vs. Them, which is now out in paperback.

Like my colleagues, I am rapt by the sight of the Iranian protests. In fact, listening to NPR's coverage from Tehran this morning, I found myself rapt by the sound of the protests, the kind of roar that only a stadium-sized group of people can produce. It's an inspiring moment in Iranian politics. But I think the fact that Richard is surprised and impressed by the breadth of American support for the protesters betrays a misunderstanding of the differences between idealists and their critics--differences that I think are both more subtle and more stark than he realizes.

For one thing, I don't accept the suggestion that if one is not an idealist, one is necessarily a cold-blooded realist. Although there are certainly those who believe that the internal affairs of other countries are irrelevant or unimportant, it is possible to care about human rights while questioning America's ability to influence the internal affairs of other countries and while doubting that our values and our interests are always synonymous. The United States has other priorities as well. Thus one can be skeptical of the efficacy and wisdom of diplomatic and military pressure in the name of human rights without being amoral. Moreover, although realism may be "cold," its ideological opposite, which puts the nature of regimes at the center of our foreign policy, is even more problematic. In this view, one espoused chiefly by conservatives and neoconservatives, the fact that a regime is good or evil becomes not simply a moral observation but a strategic guide. Idealism's concern with regimes, in other words, can rapidly deteriorate into a dangerous Manichaeism.

Take, for example, John McCain, whose stalwart support for Georgia last year Richard cites favorably. As John Judis has pointed out, McCain's assertion that "we are all Georgians" was not simply a statement of solidarity with a people, it was a suggestion (backed by McCain's support for Georgian admission to NATO), that our strategic interests read: our willingness to fight a war-line up with those of the government in Tbilisi. That is a questionable assertion and a serious commitment. McCain's ostensible "idealism" has also led him to deride talks with North Korea as "appeasement" and to scoff at the idea of engagement with Iran, even though diplomacy is really our only chance, however thin, at nuclear rollback. Indeed, the moral allure of Manichaeism frequently breaks down at the level of action. When Jake Tapper asked McCain what would happen in Iran, he blandly (and unconvincingly) insisted that "if we are steadfast eventually the Iranian people will prevail."

I think it is possible to have a foreign policy that harbors no illusions about the nature of enemy regimes, but that recognizes our limited capacity to change those regimes and therefore our need to engage them. I think it is possible to have a moral foreign policy that is not moralist. But how, exactly, do we pursue our idealist instincts without sabotaging the security of the United States and our allies? How can we be appropriately self-interested without being utterly selfish? These are the questions we're wrestling with right now. At first glance, the answers may seem to differ only in balance and degree. (Does one speak loudly and decry the evil of the mullah-cracy in order to support the protestors, or does one hold back, recognizing that interference could backfire not only against Mousavi's backers but against American interests more broadly?) But these are not simply tactical questions, as Richard writes, they are the manifestations of fundamentally different worldviews, which is to say they represent different assessments of our strategic priorities and our capabilities.

On these difficult questions, I think the Obama administration has come down in the right place thus far. Supporting a fair election aligns the United States with those in the streets while holding the Iranian government to the standards it claims to uphold. It preserves our ability to interact with either a Mousavi or an Ahmadinejad government while simultaneously tightening our bond with the Europeans, who have voiced their distress at the election and whose cooperation we need to pressure Iran to halt its uranium program. This approach may be less satisfying than full-throated support for the "liberals," by which I think Richard means those who would overthrow the regime. (It is possible, after all, that Ahmadinejad did win the election). But it allows us to do the right thing while also doing the smart thing.

--Peter Scoblic

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Just one more reason to thank Hashem that John McCain isn't President.

- wildboy

June 16, 2009 at 5:10pm

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Many find out the older they get the more conservative they become. But this has less to do with abandoniing idealism and more to do with the realization that human interaction will always be far more complex and convoluted than the hapless ideologues [left and right] profess it to be.

As I noted with respect to Iran on another thread:

What was the "consensus on Iran" back in the 1950s when we drove from office a democratically elected government? What was the consensus when we installed one of histories most brutal dictators in Tehran? What was the consensus when, after the Shah was deposed, we backed the dictator Saddam Hussein against Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran?

Does Just have an informed opinion about the manner in which the Monroe Doctrine was brutally enforced in Caentral and South America for decades and decades? Is he able to note where the American government came down hard on the European nations as they went around the globe colonizing Third World nations?

Note for me please a single Democratic or Republican administration who came out against this flagrant imperialism by shaming its proponents with words like "democracy", "freedom", "human rights".

WHAT foreign policy idealism?

george

- iambiguous

June 16, 2009 at 5:20pm

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dont you commentors get bored just talking with yourselves, that is other writers that just agree with  you? Every post i have read here just sounds the same. Isnt it possible to have at least a valid, if not sound, opinion with the one that you hold?

- aharon42

June 16, 2009 at 7:11pm

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dont you commentors get bored just talking with yourselves, that is other writers that just agree with  you? Every post i have read here just sounds the same. Isnt it possible to have at least a valid, if not sound, opinion with the one that you hold?

- aharon42

June 16, 2009 at 7:11pm

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Put me down with the Realists. The McCain/Georgia example is a good one. His ridiculous "we are all Georgians now" position played directly into Putin's hands, underlining the gaping chasm between our words and our actions.

We are not Georgians, and we certainly are not Iranians. Attempting to aid the protesters will surely help paint them as unpatriotic stooges of Western Imperialism. Besides, who says Mousevi, who presided over the mass execution of thousands of "traitors" when he was PM and has significant, long-standing connections to the ruling elite, is a reformer?

- Robert Powell

June 17, 2009 at 5:23am

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I think "realism" is often a disguise for racism: selectively choosing your idealism isn't a middle way, it *is* cold hearted.  Yes, there are limits to what we can do as far as human rights go, but let's not pretend we don't work hard to expand those limits in some places and conveniently ignore them in others.  Ethnic cleansing of Europeans and Jews?  "Never again!"  Ethnic cleansing of black Africans in Rwanda and Darfur?  "We don't have the resources (though the same no-fly zones imposed in Bosnia and Iraq would have saved tens of thousands in Darfur)."   How much did human rights abuses stand in the way of us granting MFN status to China in the 1990's?  Was that based on some sort of Milton Friedmanesque "constructive engagement" belief of 2/3 of Congress, or on getting cheaper tv's?  It's easy to take potshots at McCain, but does anybody still take potshots at Reagan for calling the USSR an evil empire?  They sure did when he said it, so maybe some people did indeed need the lesson.  Had we lived up to our "bright line" rhetoric after the 1991 Persian Gulf War, we'd have supported the Iraqi shia as well as the Kurds, there'd have been no 2003 Persian Gulf War and who knows how much of the US reputation that George W. Bush destroyed would still be with us.

- Lymon1

June 17, 2009 at 9:10am

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What should we make of Iran's contested elections? Here's a roundup of some of TNR's best

- Anonymous

June 17, 2009 at 10:10am

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Lymon's last sentence is both completely correct and important.

As for the rest, it's no "potshot" to point out the counter-productive nature of grandstanding like McCain's on Georgia. Reagan backed up his "Evil Empire" designation with significant action.

There probably is a racist component in some people's realism, but we define our vital national interests and military capabilities by a lot more than ethnicity. The argument that we should try to do everything everywhere is obviously unrealistic. We need, as always, triage.

Anyway, how does "supporting" a guy who presided over a murderous police state not that long ago presage progress in international human rights?

- Robert Powell

June 18, 2009 at 6:32am

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