THE PLANK APRIL 25, 2008
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Jason links to an Economist blog post which says, of me, "Mr Zengerle's colleague, Jon Chait, contends that few of Mrs Clinton's blue-collar supporters would run over to John McCain's side if Mr Obama wins the nomination." That's not what I said. I wrote, "Sure, some of the Clinton voters will go for McCain in the fall, but you can't assume all (or even very many) of them will." I was referring to the total Clinton vote, a subset of which consists of blue-collar whites. My point was that it's erroneous to assume that the entire Clinton vote is an anti-Obama vote. Most Clinton voters will back Obama if November. If Clinton had prevailed, most Obama voters would back her, too.
Clearly, a significant number of white blue-collar Democrats will defect to McCain in November. (A significant number would have defected if Clinton won, but the number will probably be larger for Obama.) My point was that you can't just look at one or two voter blocs in isolation, which is what reporters and pundits all seem to be doing now, the Economist blog included:
Mr Zengerle's colleague, Jon Chait, contends that few of Mrs Clinton's blue-collar supporters would run over to John McCain's side if Mr Obama wins the nomination. Similarly, Mr Obama's supporters in the black community and in urban areas are unlikely to shun Mrs Clinton if she were to become the nominee. But which scenario is more likely. In other words, whose support of the party is more fleeting? The answer is obvious: Clinton's blue-collar supporters are the more politically tetchy of the two groups—the more likely to change sides. And that matters a great deal in close, must-win states like Pennsylvania and Ohio. Advantage Clinton.
Look, as I wrote, Obama is currently running slightly ahead of Clinton in trial heats against McCain. Therefore, as of now, the number of potential Democratic votes that Obama can get but Clinton can't must be at least as large as the number that Clinton can get but Obama can't. That's simply a mathematical truism.
Obama runs way ahead of Clinton among independents, and currently that advantage more than makes up for his deficiency among white, non-college educated Democrats. You can make the case that Obama's independent support is soft, or that he'll get into debates with McCain and start crying like a baby, or whatever you want. But reducing the electability question to which candidate can win blue-collar whites, or whether blue-collar whites are more loyal than African-Americans, is an exercise in stacking the deck. You have to look at the whole swing vote, not just the portion that's friendlier to Clinton.
--Jonathan Chait
3 comments
Well, I think one person who sent the whole blue-collar vote thing out there as the only important vote was Chris Matthews, don't you? Ever since he started going on and on and on about it as a Pennsylvanian, he seems to have brought that into the narrative.
Clinton has accomplished exactly what she wanted to do with the media: convinced them that she has a shot at the nomination despite the facts being against her. The fact that her psychology has worked on them may very well mean it will work on the remaining democratic primary electorate. And if it works on them, it might work on the superdelegates.
They've all forgotten about the independent vote (which will go to McCain in the fall if Hillary's the nominee) and the youth vote which will simply NOT TURN OUT if she is the nominee. And while she'll be able to bring back some African-Americans into the fold, I'm willing to bet my eyeteeth (and I love my teeth) that a lot will simply sit out the election I don't think she realizes the damage she and Bill have done with that constituency by bringing up the race card.
And I think in the long run, she's really going to suffer for having morphed into Karl Rove. It's going to come back to bite her.
- scire
April 25, 2008 at 3:07pm
BTW: I'm a real fan of yours Mr. Chait. Loved your book.
- scire
April 25, 2008 at 3:08pm
Jon- I have been working madly and have thus been largely absent of late, so I apologize if I missed it, but can you address the issue of how Obama's weakness in key swing states like Ohio where there are a disproportionate number of these blue collar voters might impact the general election. Is it possible that the portion of the swing vote that is friendlier to HRC happens to live predominantly in swing states while the portion friendly to Obama lives in solid Red or solid Blue states?
- eweiss
April 25, 2008 at 6:23pm