THE PLANK JULY 24, 2008
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The most tragic aspect of MoveOn.org is that it's a group with noble beginnings -- an online community for people frustrated by the circus that was the Republican attempt to impeach Bill Clinton -- that has since transmogrified into a preserve of the radical, pacifist left. Christopher Hayes's cover story in The Nation this week attempts to argue that the organization's current agenda is a logical outgrowth of its originating mission and that it remains "squarely within the mainstream of the Democratic Party." That may be the case for its views on things like energy and health care -- laudable goals, certainly -- but those issues are not what has animated MoveOn since 9/11, foreign policy and America's role in the world are. And it's these views that, while increasingly popular within the Democratic Party, are hardly representative of most Americans.
After Clinton survived impeachment, MoveOn was largely dormant. Until 9/11. Recalling that dark period, Hayes shows us that the organization's approach to international terrorism and rogue states has always been one of "restraint" and deeply suspicious of American power:
The day after 9/11, [Eli] Pariser, then living in Boston, wanted to do something to help. When the local blood bank told him it was beyond capacity, he channeled his anguish and hope into an online petition he e-mailed to thirty friends. Earnest, plaintive and humane, it made the case for international leaders to use "moderation and restraint" in responding to the attacks, and called for employing "international judicial institutions and international human rights law to bring to justice those responsible for the attacks, rather than the instruments of war, violence or destruction."
MoveOn has since denied that it officially opposed the war in Afghanistan, but Eli Pariser, the group's Executive Director, openly opposed the war in Afghanistan, a military conflict supported by the overwhelming majority of Americans, and was hired to lead MoveOn primarily due to this anti-war on the Taliban web organizing. In his 2004 TNR article, "A Figthing Faith," Peter Beinart argued that MoveOn and Michael Moore should be booted out of the Democratic Party by people serious about America's role in the world, just as anti-totalitarian liberals booted communist fellow-travelers out of the party 60 years ago. The analogy pertains, but the Democratic Party, at this point, is far from saving.
Hayes purports to show that MoveOn.org is the modern equivalent of Richard Nixon's silent majority. To believe this, you have to believe that most Americans agree with the sort of pacifist nonsense above, and all the other assorted, conspiratorial, angry nonsense (like its demagogic "Not Alex" commercial) that appears on MoveOn.org on a daily basis. The group's claimed membership of over 3 million people, dutifully reported by Hayes, is surely inflated by the presence of people who signed up for their email alerts a decade ago, even the liberal blogger Hilary Bok admits that "membership in MoveOn means very little." To illustrate the group's galvanizing effect, Hayes finds a woman who was so absorbed by her hatred for the impending Iraq War that she "couldn't concentrate on her job" and became an active MoveOn participant. I don't for a minute doubt this woman's sincerity. But she's hardly representative of the average American. Reihan Salam gently concludes, "When people become so consumed by politics, there is usually a reason that is independent of politics," i.e. something psychological.
Case in point:
"The idea that MoveOn is like some foaming-at-the-mouth, swinging-from-the-trees liberal interest group is kind of a joke," says influential blogger Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake.com.
This is a peculiar sentiment coming from Ms. Hamsher, she of the Joe Lieberman-in-blackface infamy.
To be sure, MoveOn has a significant, albeit baleful, influence on the Democratic Party. Their position on abandoning Iraq when al-Qaeda was in control of Anbar and Shi'ite militias ruled in the roost in the south was strategic malpractice and moral idiocy. What bloodshed would there have been had we followed the advice of Eli Pariser two years ago? (Remember when MoveOn, impervious to reality, vilified liberal Democratic congressman Brian Baird for the crime of reporting positively on the surge last year?) Their attempts to claim that their position was somehow in solidarity with the Iraqi people was ridiculous.
While Hayes is right to claim that MoveOn has taken hold of much of the Democratic Party, he has no ground on which to stand when it comes to trumpeting the organization's influence over the course of American foreign policy:
Or consider this: to manage its lobbying efforts and programs for its more than 4 million members, the NRA has a staff exceeding 500 and a $15 million, 390,000-square-foot office building in Virginia. MoveOn has a staff of... twenty-three. And no headquarters.
This would be a compelling point were not the conceit of the article -- that MoveOn has made any discernable headway on its key agenda item -- false. The NRA is an incredibly successful organization, the measure being that it has actually accomplished tangible goals on its legislative agenda. It's so successful, indeed, that the very talk of gun control in this country has largely become obsolete. It may be true that MoveOn, as Hayes claims, has "pioneered an entire approach to conducting politics through the Internet that has been replicated and spun off across the country and around the globe." But it has most certainly not "permanently transformed the landscape of American politics." The animating principle of MoveOn for the past 5 years, the issue that has dominated its energies to the exclusion of pretty much all else, has been Iraq. On this vital issue, what can MoveOn define as "victory" other than earning a bipartisan, overwhelmingly-passed congressional resolution condemning it "in the strongest possible terms" for calling the greatest American military officer of his generation a traitor?
--James Kirchick
25 comments
Kirchick threshold: two words and a picture.
- drdannyu
July 24, 2008 at 7:27pm
I actually thought this was pretty restrained for Kirchick. I don't necessarily agree, but there was less vicious, snide snark than usual, which is a big improvement.
- Count
July 24, 2008 at 7:42pm
Dr. Dan:
I agree with your KT assessment, but I didn't even need the picture.
- Brent
July 24, 2008 at 7:57pm
Name that poster...
Without even reading a word, I saw the picture and I knew that we had a brand new pile...
- thejauntyboulevardier
July 24, 2008 at 8:22pm
At the risk of tagging myself as part of the commie nudnik Left, I wonder if it might not be a bit early to label General Petraeus "the greatest military officer of his generation." I'm not taking anything away from the man, but he just got his 4th star and his job isn't over yet.
- propositionjoe
July 24, 2008 at 8:34pm
Kirchick threshold for me was five -- no one else on this site would bother to talk about MoveOn.org, except Marty.
"To be sure, MoveOn has a significant, albeit baleful, influence on the Democratic Party."
I really think you overestimate their influence, Jamie. Carl Levin, Joe Biden, Jim Webb, and the other foreign policy heavyweights in the Democratic Party are not MoveOnners at all. Who is influenced so strongly by MoveOn exactly? Cynthia McKinney?
"On this vital issue, what can MoveOn define as "victory" other than earning a bipartisan, overwhelmingly-passed congressional resolution condemning it "in the strongest possible terms" for calling the greatest American military officer of his generation a traitor?"
And here we have undone our point, Mr. Kirchick. You've admitted in this sentence how little influence MoveOn.org has in Congress. This is embarrassing, truly amateurish.
- rozenson
July 24, 2008 at 9:41pm
They were wrong about the Afghanistan war (assuming that Pariser spoek for the organization). They were right about Iraq at the beginning and throughout. And the American public opinion has caught up with them.
Peretz and company were wrong about Iraq. They're still wrong. and outside of the mainstream.
- miceelf
July 24, 2008 at 9:57pm
Count- I'm with you here. I'm shocked James even can suggest something he doesn't like could have "noble beginnings."
Fellow posters, let's encourage Kirchick to write in this style- it's pretty clear we're stuck with the guy, we can at least potty train him.
- kbecker
July 24, 2008 at 9:59pm
2/3rds too long, with no new information. I completely lost interest by the second paragraph. And when pray tell are you going to ever go after rightwing nut organizations? What, no opinion about the Club for Greed...oops Club for Growth?
What the hell does the NRA have to do with anything? Why bring them up? They are a single issue organization, why don't you talk about the World Wildlife Federation or some other major one issue organizations of the left?
Kirchick, comparing Apples to Diesel trucks and expecting anybody to give a shit.
- blackton
July 24, 2008 at 10:00pm
Didnt look at the picture, which extended the KT to a full sentence - "transmogrified into a preserve of the radical, pacifist left" obviously was the clincher.
- jobeek2
July 24, 2008 at 10:17pm
One of the reasons that MoveOn may have an inflated membership is their sponsorship of the Vote For Change concerts in 2004. Springsteen fans like myself had to donate to MoveOn to see the shows.
- bigm
July 24, 2008 at 10:22pm
After the first sentence, I knew that this was the work of Martin Peretz, Jr. -- sorry, James Kirchick
The Stump and the Plank have high quality, generally speaking, even when I disagree.
That is, unless it is James Kirchick
- vverma
July 24, 2008 at 10:26pm
I'd like to see Kirchick do a spot on Freedom's Watch.
I think he's employed to be a professional taunter and naysayer in order to keep the TNR blog dialogue spicy, but I think tep's bumped him out of his spot.
- scire
July 24, 2008 at 10:44pm
Saw the title, am drunk, skipped to the end to see the author, decided not worth the effort, read the comments, agreed, decided right that not worth the effort.
FU Jamie.
OK, gratuitous, but because I pay his salary, and because he insults my intelligence with each post, am entitled. So there.
- icarusr
July 25, 2008 at 1:10am
If there's any justice in this world, icarusr gets Comment of the Day.
- ackyri
July 25, 2008 at 2:43am
Everyone drink.
psst, I beat you to it, Jaunty.
- teplukhin2you
July 25, 2008 at 4:11am
The tiny mind of an ideolouge - someone cannot be both a brilliant general and a political hack, smoke starts spewing forth from the teeny mind without its black or white slots to pigeon hole anyone and everything.
pSSST: Knee-Jerkers, most people are both, a combination of banality and brilliance.They are called HUMAN BEINGS.
- Wandreycer1
July 25, 2008 at 9:38am
Almost all Democrats/progressives/liberals (including me) agreed with MoveOn.org that General Petraeus was a General Betray Us. We all look fools in retrospective. It's very unkind of James to remind as that we are such fools.
- jacobt1
July 25, 2008 at 10:13am
"Almost all Democrats/progressives/liberals (including me) agreed with MoveOn.org that General Petraeus was a General Betray Us."
Speak for yourself. I opposed the surge, but that doesn't mean I agreed with MoveOn's ad.
- rozenson
July 25, 2008 at 11:19am
Jacob, I am breaking my boycott of your assinine comments, only to agree with you on your lat observation. You are a fool, and it would give me no end of pleasure to remind you of that daily, or even hourly. Yes, you are, yes you are.
ackyri: thanks. Hung over, and still think I was right not to bother.
JT: 1. "Transmogrified".
- icarusr
July 25, 2008 at 11:39am
jacobt1..
once again, the slave to mindless hyperbole strikes again...
Not all liberals agreed with Moveon.org about the Petraeus ad. I made it clear at the time that this was a stupid ad on many levels. First, a soldiers duty is to his civilian authority and his men, not to Moveon.org or voters. So on that basic level, the ad was stupid. Second, soldiers are given a mission and it is their duty to fulfill the mission, not question its politics. On that level too the ad was stupid.
Now, Petraeus may have political aspirations and I have heard rumors that he may run in 12 for the GOP nomination. If and when that happens, then let us use a political slide rule to judge him but do not use a political instrument to judge a soldier's performance.
jacobt1, are you really as dense and blinkered as you post. Man, your posts have a very annoying detachment from truth and honesty and always seem very whiny. Are you one of those whiny little nerds who likes to bug people? I have my suspicions...
- thejauntyboulevardier
July 25, 2008 at 11:51am
Knew it was a Kirchick piece by the end of the first paragraph. Overlong and ending in "pacifist left." Waaaay past time for Jamie to get his own blog so we can be rid of him as well. Hmm, what's below the spine? Got it: The Rectum! I think I would pay $500 for that to be the name of JK's new blog.
- marcellusw101
July 25, 2008 at 12:42pm
marcellusw101: man, beat you to it already - my comment on an earlier JK post suggested "The Sphincter" as the name for his own blog ;-).
- icarusr
July 25, 2008 at 12:52pm
I agree that many liberals didn't agree with style the Petraeus ad.
However all of them agreed with the substance of the ad . Nobody on the Left believed Petraeus including Clinton, Obama, liberal pundits and bloggers. They all thought that Petraeus a political hack who manipulate data.
- jacobt1
July 25, 2008 at 2:07pm
Writing today in Ha'aretz , J Street founder Jeremy Ben-Ami uses the question posed by my article
- Anonymous
July 25, 2008 at 2:27pm