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Go Home Tonight's Gop Debate--capping A Lousy Weekend For Mccain

JANUARY 7, 2008

Tonight's Gop Debate--capping A Lousy Weekend For Mccain

If you read one thing about the Republican race and the GOP debates this weekend, read Joe Klein's post about John McCain. Klein argues that it was basically a "lost weekend" for the straight-talker:

The polls still have John McCain comfortably ahead of Mitt Romney in the New Hampshire primary, but I don't believe them. For one thing, McCain has just dragged himself through two of his worst debate performances ever. For another, Mitt Romney--even though under assault constantly in Saturday night's debate--has had two of his best debate performances yet. 

I agree. I thought McCain was way too snide in Saturday night's debate. The effect was to make Romney look sympathetic. And, from what I heard last night (I caught about three-quarters of the Fox debate on the radio, most of it during the re-airing), McCain just seemed passive. Romney hit him pretty hard for voting against the Bush tax cuts, and all McCain could muster in response was a non sequitur about cutting spending. (Granted, Republicans love to talk about spending cuts. But that doesn't explain why McCain opposed the tax cuts.) Romney also hit him hard on immigration, and McCain just kind of sighed and recited his usual line about how illegal aliens are God's children and how we have to stop hyper-ventilating and solve this problem. As I say, I wasn't watching the video. But if it were possible to hear someone roll their eyes, that's what it would've sounded like.

Klein also had this great observation:

The futility of the various attacks on Romney was apparent in tonight's debate: none of the Republicans chose to go after him, except Fred Thompson, who seems to be campaigning from a hammock even when he's sitting upright...and whose toughest barbs (Ted Kennedy endorsed Romney's Massachusetts health care plan) float across the stage like soap bubbles. That meant each of the candidates had been told by their staffs that Saturday night's assaults hadn't worked.  

Agreed. The Romney-bashing might have worked if only one person had been doing it. But, collectively, it just looked like a pile-on, and made Romney look like the only dignified--dare I say presidential--guy on stage.

Finally, Klein says he watched the debate with a group of conservative Republicans at the Merrimack Diner. They "Just. Loved. Romney," he reports, adding: "Most of those who came in undecided had switched to Mitt by the end of the show. They just adored his position on illegal immigration (their dials plummeted when McCain said we had to be 'humane.') They loved his explanation of why he had switched his position on abortion. They loved it when he nailed Huckabee as a tax raiser."

Contrary to what McCain himself says, this thing's not over yet.

Update: Commenter liebig says it's not a non sequitur for McCain to argue that we need spending cuts before we reduce taxes. I agree--but, other than obliquely hinting at it, McCain didn't really make that argument. (See the transcript here--it's toward the beginning.) He basically just ticked off a bunch of spending projects he'd opposed, and mentioned how he'd helped put Jack Abramoff in prison. There wasn't much of an attempt to connect this to his vote opposing the Bush tax cuts.

--Noam Scheiber

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Wait a minute -- if McCain was saying that it was wrong to cut taxes without cutting spending, why would that be a non-sequitur?

- liebig

January 7, 2008 at 2:02am

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McCain didn't make that argument. He mostly went on about all the spending he'd helped cut, or opposed...

- Noam Scheiber

January 7, 2008 at 3:09am

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But liebig is right: that was at least the implication of McCain's response. And of course McCain is right: Every dollar the government spends is paid for by revenue raised through taxes. (Which is why he cannot make the argument openly in a Republican primary contest.) You can either pay a dollar in taxes today, or a dollar plus interest tomorrow. And though Republicans fantasize that economic growth can make the dollar-plus-interest worth less tomorrow than the dollar today, if that were true then nobody would lend money to the government in the first place.

So in fact there is no such thing as a "tax cut" that is not preceded or accompanied by a spending cut of equal or greater size. There is only a "tax deferment" and an "inevitable future tax increase". What is a non sequitur is to discuss tax cuts as if government borrowing need not be repaid by taxpayers.

- rhubarbs

January 7, 2008 at 9:45am

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I'm no conservative, and I won't be voting Republican under any circumstances, ever, but I watched Saturday night's GOP debate, and I thought Romney looked awful.  By comparison, his attackers seemed to be in genuine heartfelt agreement about Romney's flip-floppery and heavy use of negative ad's -- and by sticking together, they made it clear how much they all disapprove of his tactics.  McCain looked and sounded sharp, relaxed and confident -- Romney looked flustered and guilty as charged.  I don't see how Saturday night could have hurt McCain.

- purcellneil

January 7, 2008 at 10:13am

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Just saying: my impression is that McCain is doing ok and will win N.H. and the polls to now seem to bear that out.

- basman

January 7, 2008 at 11:39am

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McCain at his worst seems better than Romney at his worst, when he gets shifty eyed, stuttery, and appears to be saying the first thing that comes into his head. Also, he talks hatefully, i.e., of "Hillarycare," as if simply to mention her justifies dismissing her programs. However, Romney at his best seems sharper than McCain; I felt the ABC debate revolved around Romney; the cameras stayed on him, and he showed a sharp mind.  A Romney-Obama debate might be a lot of fun; the flip-flopper label seems to to be one Obama's opponents are trying to pin on him.

- theQ

January 7, 2008 at 4:14pm

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Salem, New Hampshire There's a clever line in a Silver Jews song that goes, "When the governor's

- Anonymous

January 7, 2008 at 9:15pm

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I can't dispute what Jason is seeing with his own eyes, but, like my Republican idol Mitt Romney

- Anonymous

January 8, 2008 at 1:38am

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