TIMOTHY NOAH JANUARY 2, 2012
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Nothing happening right now in Iowa is as important or as revealing (not to mention as entertaining) as the outburst by Eric Cantor's press secretary during a 60 Minutes interview that aired on Jan. 1. You won't find it on Politico's home page (yet), but it really happened. Scroll to the bottom of this item to watch the relevant portion (assuming you have the patience to sit through a commercial first). Here's the transcript:
Leslie Stahl: So are you ready to compromise?
Cantor: So I have always been ready to cooperate. I mean, if you go back to the first--
Stahl: What's the difference between "compromise" and "cooperate?"
Cantor: Well, I would say cooperate is let's look to where we can move things forward where we agree. Comprising principles, you don't want to ask anybody to do that. That's who they are as their core being.
Stahl: But you know, your idol, as I've read anyway, was Ronald Reagan. And he compromised.
Cantor: He never compromised his principles.
Stahl: Well, he raised taxes and it was one of his principles not to raise taxes.
Cantor: Well, he-- he also cut taxes.
Stahl: But he did compromise--
Cantor: Well I --
Press Secretary (offscreen): That just isn't true. And I don't want to let that stand.
Stahl: And at that point, Cantor's press secretary interrupted, yelling from off camera that what I was saying wasn't true.
[Reagan: My fellow Americans...]
Stahl: There seemed to be some difficulty accepting the fact that even though Ronald Reagan cut taxes, he also pushed through several tax increases, including one in 1982 during a recession.
[Reagan: Make no mistake about it, this whole package is a compromise.]
Cantor: We as Republicans are not going to support tax increases.
Cantor intended to use the interview to warm up his image as a fanatical creep. He let 60 Minutes into his home; he showed America that his mother-in-law lives with his family, just like President Obama's does; he let his wife say she is pro-choice; he talked about being a Jew raised in an overwhelmingly Christian environment. He wore a blue crew-neck sweater. (Putting on a sweater is what politicians do when they want to come across as warm and fuzzy.) The press secretary's interruption spoiled everything.
The Reagan record on taxes inhabits the realm not of opinion, where Cantor feels most comfortable, but of verifiable fact. The Gipper cut taxes in 1981, dropping the top marginal rate from 70 percent to 50 percent and eventually to 28 percent. But Reagan also raised taxes many times, most notably in 1982, in what has often been described as the largest peacetime tax hike in history. You sometimes hear conservatives say that the 1982 tax hike is mischaracterized because it mostly cancelled projected tax cuts. That's preposterous. If taxes are scheduled to fall and you cause them not to, that's a tax increase. (By a similar logic, if taxes are scheduled to increase and you cause them not to--as congressional Republicans hope to do by extending the Bush income-tax cuts past their 2013 expiration date--then that's a tax cut, even though Cantor refuses to score it that way in defect negotiations.) And anyway, as the Reagan-era White House and Treasury official Bruce Bartlett has pointed out, Reagan increased taxes ten more times before he left office. By Bartlett's calculations, Reagan's combined tax increases amounted to $132.7 billion. It wasn't nearly enough to undo Reagan's combined $275.1 billion in tax cuts--the Gipper's tax record nets out to $142.4 billion in tax cuts--or Reagan's inability to cut spending in any meaningful way. That's why Reagan's chief domestic legacy is out-of-control deficit spending. Indeed, when Grover Norquist launched his project to name anything and everything after Ronald Reagan I humbly proposed that the deficit be re-christened "the Reagan."
If current GOP doctrine were, "It's OK to raise taxes if over the course of two presidential terms the net result is a tax cut" then perhaps it might be deemed unfair to dwell on Reagan's tax increases. But of course that isn't GOP doctrine. GOP doctrine says "It's never okay to raise taxes, ever." Except of course if the tax increase is a payroll tax that the rich don't especially care about because it's capped for Social Security at $106,800 (chump change to any "job creator" worthy of the name). Though by the logic of the previous paragraph I suppose it is more properly described as a reluctance (except under extreme duress) to support the president's proposed tax cut.
What people remember about Reagan was that he lowered marginal income tax rates, which is to say he lowered, rather dramatically, the percentage you paid in taxes on income above a certain threshold. What ultimately matters, however, is the percentage of your total income that you end up handing over to the IRS, which is called the "effective tax rate." And under Reagan, the change in the effective income tax rate wasn't all that great. It averaged out to 12 percent the year he took office and fell to 10.4 percent the year he left office. Even for the now-famous top 1 percent, it fell only from 22.3 percent to 20.7 percent. For the stinking-rich top 0.01 percent (today that's everyone making $9.1 million or more) the net change in the effective income-tax rate was zero. It was 21.5 percent during Reagan's first and last years in office. (In between it bounced up and down, but never below 18.6 percent.)
The Reagan years really were a bonanza for the rich; you didn't imagine that. But that was because the overall effective federal tax rate on the one-percenters--i.e., not just the effective federal income-tax rate--fell from 34.6 percent to 29.7 percent. That's largely because of changes to the effective corporate income tax rate, which for the one-percenters fell from 10.8 percent to 7.3 percent. For the stinking-rich top 0.01 percent the effective overall effective federal tax rate fell from 39.1 percent to 32.2 percent and the effective corporate income tax rate fell from 17.5 percent to 10.3 percent. Reagan budget chief David Stockman famously called the 1981 tax bill a "Trojan horse" whose principal purpose was to lower income-tax rates for the rich. But in retrospect it looks more like a diversion to keep everyone from noticing that a drop in the corporate income tax rate was redistributing money upward to the rich. (Bill Clinton and George W. Bush subsequently achieved much the same by lowering the capital-gains tax.)
If Cantor's press secretary wanted to tell Leslie Stahl, "You're omitting the fact that Reagan cut federal taxes substantially for the stinking rich, chiefly through alterations to the corporate income tax that, thank God, got little attention at the time," that would be a fair point. But of course it's a point he would never make. And it still wouldn't make Stahl's point untrue or unfair.
28 comments
The 1986 Act under Reagan changed deductions for tax shelters that prevents taxpayers from taking business losses in investments where they are not actively involved in the business. Previously, taxpayers invested in partnerships that deliberately generated gimmicky losses. On signing, an investment would pay off with tax return benefits, sometimes by a ratio in excess of two to one tax benefits to investment. Promoters profitted off the scams. As a result of the law change, however, legitimate small business investments are now discouraged by the "no loss" rule, but capital gains and dividends are rewarded with a top 15% rate. Bad for our economy.
- Nusholtz
January 2, 2012 at 3:02pm
TN is too kind. In 1981, when Reagan became president a wage earner paid no more than about $2,700 in payroll taxes. In 1983, Reagan approved an enormous payroll tax increase. Today, under Reagan's tax increase a wage earner pays up to roughly $15,000 in payroll taxes. $2,700. $15,000. I'd call that the mother of all tax increases for wage earners. Of course, Cantor says payroll taxes aren't really taxes but are contributions to retirement benefits. Never mind that Cantor and the Republicans have used roughly $2.7 trillion (that's trillion) in payroll taxes to pay for everything but retirement benefits.
- rayward
January 2, 2012 at 3:05pm
More ridiculous dogma/anti-dogma posturing. Cantor can't admit Reagan raised taxes, ever, on anyone, because that would remove the "purity" of the anti-tax pledge. And the support of the Tea-Party I suppose. But that "purity" is based on a lie, and a destructive lie at that. Reagan did what he did, because Supply-Side Economists said it would stimulate the economy SO MUCH that the tax-cut would pay for itself. When instead it resulted in huge deficits, Reagan back-pedalled -- which violates today's dogma, so that inconvenient truth has to be denied. It would be so nice, if today's so-called "conservatives" were conservative enough to pay attention to the truth, instead of radical anti-tax dogma.
- AllanL5
January 2, 2012 at 3:48pm
I have said for years that the Ronald Reagan meme lodged in the brains of so many conservatives bears no relation to the actual Ronald Reagan. It is a Platonic fantasy. Your excellent post highlights this absurdity, Timothy.
- liberalref
January 2, 2012 at 5:39pm
It's not so much that Cantor prefers opinions to facts. It's that he has very specific and strongly held religious beliefs. The facts vs. opinion distinction isn't one that he groks. The screaming in the background is simply an echo of a literal reading of the book of Isaiah meeting heliocentrism.
- miceelf
January 2, 2012 at 7:01pm
PS if like me the long youtube comes up with a new ad whenever you try to fast forwad to the juicy bit, here it is: http://youtu.be/otjaXOLxJko
- miceelf
January 2, 2012 at 7:08pm
Reagan isn't the only area where Cantor is fact-impaired. When Stahl pressed on raising taxes on the wealthy (which polling says has the support of both Democrats and Republicans) to help reduce the deficit, Cantor eventually said in a flummoxed manner that "you can't tax our way out of it." Yet the analyses that I've read say that just letting the Bush tax cuts expire, while not solving the deficit problem entirely, would constitute a huge step in that direction. Is Cantor's position that because it won't solve the whole problem, then it's useless and we shouldn't do it at all? But that approach could apply to specific spending cuts too: cutting Medicare won't solve the problem, cutting defense won't solve the problem, freezing federal pay won't solve the problem.... Of course its a ridiculous approach. But then again, this is from the same guy who touted the House budget bill that included the provision that if the Senate didn't pass a budget bill, then the House version would miraculously become law. I still don't know if he was serious or just pandering to the idiot demographic.
- dsimon
January 2, 2012 at 11:08pm
The best way to kill somebody is to convince him to shoot himself. It's weird if one murderer pulls it off with one person; I lack the words to describe a whole party doing it. Not once, but twice! Reagan was #1; now ...
- skahn
January 3, 2012 at 12:45am
Cantor is still a fanatical creep. He's about as warm and fuzzy as a Glock pistol. Nikita Khrushchev was a warmer liar than this guy.
- magboy47.
January 3, 2012 at 2:01am
Actually, this would be the third time -- Bush-II implemented Supply-Side tax cutting too, that's how we got to a 1.3 trillion deficit in the first place. Oh, and implemented "The Free Market Can Regulate Itself" deregulation, which enabled the CDO crisis. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
- AllanL5
January 3, 2012 at 8:30am
I'm endlessly fascinated, and somewhat appalled, by the Republican compulsion to sanctify Ronald Reagan, such that it is not permitted to say he did anything wrong... ever. Here we see what happens when that cult of personality runs up against the cult of Norquist. Ronald Reagan was infallible; taxes must not be raised; therefore Ronald Reagan cannot have raised taxes, historical fact be damned. I don't get it. I think FDR was a great President, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give him a pass on (for example) the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII. I think Obama is a much better President than he gets credit for, having done a really impressive job under very difficult circumstances, but that doesn't keep me from grinding my teeth over things like the emergency contraceptive ruling a few weeks back. One would think Cantor, if he really wanted to toe the Norquist line, could simply shrug and say, "Reagan made a mistake on the tax hike." But no.
- Dausuul
January 3, 2012 at 11:02am
If I was Cantor's press secretary, I would be less concerned about disputing the assertion that Ronald Reagan once compromised on taxes than on those office trophies in the background of Cantor's repartee with Leslie Stahl. Those things truly look like something out of the Nuremberg Rallies.
- wildboy
January 3, 2012 at 11:35am
He's such a stupid man.
- WandreyCer
January 3, 2012 at 11:43am
Cantor. What can you say about a guy that is creepier than the crypt-keeper? Listening to Cantor speak, in fact listening to any Republican talk about "economics" right now is like being stuck in the car with Dumb and Dumber and hearing the most annoying sound in the world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=KAWoP1kncRE
- singlspeed
January 3, 2012 at 1:57pm
It's too bad the hyper-partisan, overtly liberal 60 Minutes is just a big bait-and-switch, propaganda factory for the Obama administration and Cantor was just duped into the trap and barraged with lies until he was too flustered to function. From start to finish, Reagan lowered taxes for everyone by at least a little bit, and America was the only world super-power, outlasting the USSR, bringing down the Berlin Wall single-handedly, and China was less annoying than the pimple on your butt cheek.
- GSpinks
January 3, 2012 at 3:22pm
GSpinks: "From start to finish, Reagan lowered taxes for everyone by at least a little bit, and America was the only world super-power, outlasting the USSR, bringing down the Berlin Wall single-handedly" Single-handedly? I think the failure of the Soviet economy had a little something to do with it. It would have collapsed eventually, and we didn't have to run up huge debt to make it happen. As for Reagan's status in the party today, there's no way he would ever win a Republican primary based on his record. He raised taxes, expanded government, ran up huge deficits, provided amnesty for illegal aliens, cut-and-ran from Lebanon, made deals with terrorists, and negotiated with The Evil Empire. Yet he his still supposedly the ideal among Republicans despite today's fervent Republican opposition to what were his policies. I guess some people have mastered the technique of doublethink, or just choose to ignore well established facts.
- dsimon
January 3, 2012 at 4:41pm
GSpinks, Reagan in no way brought down the Berlin Wall single-handedly. Pope John Paul II, an anti-communist Pole who traveled to Gdansk and helped Lech Walesa and the Solidarity movement begin the disintegration of the Soviet empire, was a huge factor, maybe the critical one, in bringing down the Wall. Another myth about the God Who Walked Among Us, Reagan, busted.
- magboy47.
January 3, 2012 at 5:58pm
After watching that 60 minutes interview I can see how GSpinks would think Cantor was lured into answering questions he had no ability to answer. Of course any program that doesn't throw soft-ball questions like "What's your favorite ice cream?" and "If you had one wish to change the world what would it be?" at a Republican has been bushwhacked, knee-capped, barraged, baited-and-switched, duped and/or otherwise flummoxed by the audacity of a TV journalist to ask a question that they are not prepared to answer honestly....ever. I pine for the glory days of TV journalism when the host smoked cigars and guests won $100 prize for saying the word of the day.
- singlspeed
January 3, 2012 at 6:34pm
"I pine for the glory days of TV journalism when the host smoked cigars and guests won $100 prize for saying the word of the day." singlespeed, You remember Groucho Marx on TV! I used to watch him every week in the Fifties. "Say the secret word and collect a hundred dollars." He asked easy consolation-prize questions like, "Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?" and "What color is an orange?" Stahl should have asked Cantor questions like that. Right. Cantor didn't want a softball interview. He wanted to be tossed marshmallows.
- magboy47.
January 3, 2012 at 7:01pm
GSpinks is so obviously kidding, I worry about you guys man!
- WandreyCer
January 3, 2012 at 7:43pm
WandreyCer, I worry about me, too.
- magboy47.
January 3, 2012 at 9:56pm
magboy...as a young whippersnapper of 39, I had the fortunate fortune of catching Groucho's show (I love all the Bros. movies btw, my wife doesn't 'get' them) and the Jack Benny show (oh what a show) on late night reruns when they showed them with some frequency when I was growing up. I also remember watching the Lone Ranger on Saturday mornings too! I also developed a fondness for the double entendre humor of Benny Hill and Monty Python from my British grandmother's PBS watching habits as well. Those halcyon days of TV. Did you ever catch the late 70s show 'Fernwood 2 night' which later became 'America Tonight'? It had Martin Mull, Fred Willard as hosts of a talk show. Great show. I think you can catch episodes on-line. Check out the episode with Tom Waits playing himself and his song 'The Piano has been drinking'. Wandrey...I had a faint feeling GSpinks might have been tonguing his cheek. I figure I'd add some more to that.
- singlspeed
January 4, 2012 at 11:44am
singlespeed, You are, indeed, a whippersnapper. It's funny how some young people can latch on to older attractions in our culture. My niece's daughter, who was born around 1990, is crazy about the Everly Brothers. I'll see if I can get Fernwood 2 Night online. Do you get the Retro TV channel? That plays a lot of old shows. So does Antenna TV. I watch two half-hour Alfred Hitchcock episodes on Antenna before I go to bed. Hitchcock's show was voted the best on TV in the Fifties. It still is the best. Today's story tellers just don't have the depth that they used to.
- magboy47.
January 4, 2012 at 1:28pm
Thanks, Wandrey! I don't blame them for getting confused, it's getting harder and harder to hyperbolize (is that even a word?) the self-parodying hyperbole machine that was the GOP. That was good stuff, singlspeed; way to take the ball and run with it! Sorry for the confusion, people. I do love to tongue-in-cheek it frequently. Mocking the stupid people helps release the stress of witnessing the cognitive dissonance, and sometimes it just makes me feel good about myself.
- GSpinks
January 4, 2012 at 1:38pm
magboy I'll have to check out antenna tv. My wife (11 years my junior) gives me a hard time for using outdated words like - lugubrious, bucolic, copacetic, and hates when I use the word dinky! I made her watch the 1980's movie version of Flash Gordon. She could not understand how or why I would even watch such a crappy movie. Se la Vie! Gspinks....I too find that tongue-in-cheek can be effective at finding the humor in the dark side of life. When it comes to the GOP...I find I'm biting my tongue quite often as well especially when pointing fun at the stupids of the world. As a friend of mine says quite often, 'You can fix dumb, but you can't fix stupid'
- singlspeed
January 4, 2012 at 2:26pm
And so alas, we are left knowing that no matter how fierce that battle, the effective tax rates have only swung +/- 1% over the last few decades. Hell, even over the last 60 years. And we're facing a government spend today in which NO LEVEL of taxation in our history could have covered what we are spending today. And there are still the cries of "more! more!" Never satisfied. Never big enough. GDP has decoupled from wage growth. And government growth is outpacing GDP growth. Which means taxes must increase twice each year: Once to cover the gap between wages and GDP, and again to cover the gap between GDP and government. Still bigger! Still more! Can never have enough! And at the end of the day, one must earn far more than a dollar to give the government a dollar. And the government will take that dollar and kick a few dimes to the truly needed.
- seattleeng
January 4, 2012 at 8:08pm
And why is that Seattle that Govt. spending has increased exponentially with little in the way for government to pay for it? Is it because politicians give more and more to those 'truly needy' or to those that are 'truly greedy'? I certainly don't have a phalanx of lobbyists working the halls of Congress to add pork to spending bills that give me a personal guarantee of government largesse or no-bid contracts. How is is that in the last 60 years with much collusion between Dems and Repubs that despite considerable "hacking" at the roots of those wasteful social welfare programs, other spending in corporate tax credits, estate taxes, industry subsidization like ethanol, oil & gas, not to mention outsized military spending that the Government has continued to balloon? You tend to focus only on the growth has tends towards servicing a small percentage of the US population. Yet the largest portion of those sucking at the Govt. teat are those who same folks lamenting all the wasteful spending on the "others." I wonder...how much did Boeing spend to get a special contract deal to sell military planes to Saudi Arabia? Or how much does GE spend for our Senators to look the other way when GE provides technical assistance to Iran when it comes to power generation technologies? So what's your solution? No taxes? No government? The GOP refuses to even consider taxes as an option to pay the bill. Rather they would spend the US into bankruptcy. What did the House GOP do the first thing when gaining control? Get rid of "Pay-Go". So I find any such suggestion that this particular bunch of GOP squatters has any desire to fix our nation's problems wishful thinking.
- singlspeed
January 4, 2012 at 10:11pm
"GSpinks is so obviously kidding, I worry about you guys man!" Yeah, I take things too seriously sometimes.... "it's getting harder and harder to hyperbolize (is that even a word?) the self-parodying hyperbole machine that was the GOP." Too true. I'll take that for my excuse this time around! As for seattleeng' s comment (which lacks any cites to back up its assertions), just ending the Bush tax cuts would go a long way towards solving our deficit problem. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/13/business/economy/13leonhardt.html And there has been no substantial spending binge on new Obama programs. Much of the growth in spending has been due to more people falling into safety net programs due to the bad economy. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-obama-spending-non-surge/ If Obama were this irresponsible big spender, you'd think people would be able to come up with the big programs the money is being spent on. But they can't, because there aren't any (and remember that health care reform is paid for, and even if one disagrees with that, it hasn't really kicked in yet and so can't account for the additional spending anyway). We have the resources to cover our spending if we can start to get a handle on the growth of medical expenses and the military and get rid of expensive subsidies (ending the poorly targeted home mortgage interest deduction alone would save around $80 billion per year). It's just that Republicans refuse to countenance many of the options that would make the situation manageable.
- dsimon
January 4, 2012 at 11:08pm