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JULY 30, 2008

Back to the USSR

John McCain likes to compare himself to Theodore Roosevelt, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan. But, if he were to become president, could he more closely resemble Richard Nixon? Not Nixon the Watergate dirty trickster, but Nixon the statesman. Could the Arizona senator, despite his extreme rhetoric of the bomb-bomb-Iran variety, be less like a cowboy politician and more like the man who re-opened relations with China and signed a wealth of arms control agreements with the Soviets?

Two years ago, I wrote a profile arguing that there were reasons to believe that McCain was more pragmatic than his support for the Iraq debacle suggested ("Neo-McCain," October 16, 2006). In the interviews I conducted with him in 2006, he repeatedly distanced himself from neoconservatism, reminding me that he talked regularly to realists like Brent Scowcroft. I thought there was a good chance that there was a peacemaker lurking beneath McCain's warrior exterior--that a President McCain might be able use his hawkish reputation to, say, bring Iraq's warring parties together or to lure Iran to the bargaining table.

I wasn't the only one. Since McCain secured the Republican nomination, I've heard echoes of my ambivalence from foreign policy experts, including some who plan to vote for Obama. "McCain has Nixon-goes-to-China credentials," one told me. But, based on McCain's actions over the last two years and conversations I've had with those close to him, I have concluded that this is wishful thinking. McCain continues to rely on the same neoconservative advisers; he still thinks U.S. foreign policy should focus on transforming rogue states and autocracies into democracies that live under the shadow of American power; and he no longer tells credulous reporters that he consults Scowcroft.

That is not to say McCain's views are static. He has, for example, rethought the tactics of the Iraq war. But he continues to believe that Baghdad can become "a strong stable democratic ally" and "a strong ally against an aggressive and radical Iran" (this despite Iraq's pro-Iranian Shia majority). McCain may no longer believe that the United States can single-handedly overthrow undemocratic governments, but he now wants to change enemy regimes via a "League of Democracies" that would pointedly exclude states like Russia. Indeed, McCain, known in the Senate for his quickness to anger, has displayed a growing tendency to personalize foreign policy, seemingly basing his approach to Moscow on his hostility toward Vladimir Putin. If John McCain's foreign policy is changing, it is only becoming more combustible, not less.

 

McCain began his career in Washington as a realist who, because of Vietnam, was reluctant to sanction the use of military force. He felt the United States should intervene abroad only if its national interest was directly challenged--and then only if it had massive public support and sufficient force to carry the day. That was McCain's version of the Powell Doctrine, and it led him to call for withdrawal from Lebanon in 1983; to caution against a tanker war with Iran in the Gulf in 1987; to warn against "trading American blood for Iraqi blood" in August 1990; and to oppose the Clinton administration's intervention in Haiti and (initially) Bosnia.

But, in the '90s, McCain underwent a conversion. American success in the Gulf war made him less reluctant to use force overseas, and, in 1993, he became chairman of the International Republican Institute, a government-funded organization that promotes democracy and human rights abroad. Then, in 1998, during the debates over the Iraq Liberation Act and intervention in Kosovo, McCain and his chief of staff, Mark Salter, began working closely with the neoconservatives around The Weekly Standard and the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), including William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Marshall Wittmann, Randy Scheunemann, Gary Schmitt, Max Boot, and Daniel McKivergan. These neoconservatives were different from the first generation of former leftists who had opposed Jimmy Carter's universal emphasis on human rights and had backed Ronald Reagan's aggressive anti-communism. They were radicals who believed in transforming the world in America's image--and under its hegemony. Emboldened by the fall of the Soviet Union, they called for an American crusade for democracy and against rogue state regimes.

McCain became a believer in this neoconservative faith, which fit his newfound interest in democratic reform and his revulsion toward dictators like Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong Il. The neoconservative vision of a new American century also jibed with his admiration for Theodore Roosevelt's imperial foreign policy. During the 2000 campaign, McCain drew on Kristol, Kagan, Scheunemann, and Wittmann for foreign policy advice, and after the campaign he continued to work closely with them. In 2003, like those at PNAC and The Weekly Standard, he thought the Iraqis would rise up in support of the U.S. invasion and that Ahmad Chalabi would lead a new pro-American government.

This year, as McCain tightened his grip on the Republican nomination for president, he once again called on many of these same neoconservatives. Scheunemann (who coined the term "rogue state rollback") is his chief foreign policy aide, traveling with him and speaking on his behalf; McKivergan serves on his campaign staff; Wittmann is the press aide for Joe Lieberman, who is almost always at McCain's side; and Schmitt and Boot are advisers. McCain talks regularly with Kristol, who is at the center of the neoconservative network, and he relies heavily on Kagan for his major foreign policy addresses, including the speeches he delivered at the Hoover Institution in May 2007 and in Los Angeles this March.

If you want to understand McCain's worldview, read Kagan's recent book; The Return of History and the End of Dreams reflects a new iteration of neoconservatism that McCain has embraced. Whereas, during the '90s, McCain-- like Kristol, Kagan, and others--believed that the United States reigned supreme over a unipolar world challenged chiefly by rogue states, he now sees a more complicated, multipolar world in which the United States has to share power with the European Union, Japan, China, India, and Russia, while still battling foes like North Korea and Iran. "In such a world, where power of all kinds is more widely and evenly distributed," McCain said in Los Angeles, "the United States cannot lead by virtue of its power alone."

Most foreign policy experts would agree, but McCain puts a neoconservative spin on this analysis. He sees the world as riven by a struggle between democracies and autocracies. On one side are the United States, the European Union, Japan, India, and other representative governments; on the other are Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, China, and those countries whose "rulers [are] trying to rebuild nineteenth-century autocracies in a twenty-first-century world." McCain still believes "the struggle against radical Islamic extremism" is a "transcendent issue," but he's subordinated it to this broader conflict. In his Hoover speech, he depicted the war on terrorism as only "part of the worldwide political, economic, and philosophical struggle ... between liberty and despotism."

To fight and win this worldwide struggle, McCain has proposed a "League of Democracies" led by the United States. "We cannot build an enduring peace based on freedom by ourselves, and we do not want to," McCain said in Los Angeles. "We have to strengthen our global alliances as the core of a new global compact--a League of Democracies--that can harness the vast influence of the more than one hundred democratic nations around the world to advance our values and defend our shared interests." And, in a Foreign Affairs article, he wrote, "If I am elected pMccresident, during my first year in office I will call a summit of the world's democracies to seek the views of my counterparts and explore the steps necessary to realize this vision--just as America led in creating NATO six decades ago."

 

The problem with this analogy and with McCain's division of the world more broadly is that it imposes a dynamic on world politics that simply doesn't exist. While obviously there are democracies and autocracies, there is little evidence that the one is engaged with the other in a worldwide struggle over what form of government is best, as the United States and the Soviet Union were during the cold war. The Chinese are not trying to impose communism on Germany, for example; nor is Germany trying to export parliamentary democracy to China. Countries still go to war, of course, but they most often do so for non- ideological reasons: territory, regional hegemony, access to natural resources, and so on. Existing alliances often cut across different forms of government, as in the U.S. alliance with Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

Because this struggle does not exist, McCain's solution to it--his League of Democracies--would not advance American interests. As Thomas Carothers of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has argued, the organization would be ill-equipped to address major problems like global warming, trade protection, nuclear proliferation, and resource scarcity, because solving those problems requires cooperation between democracies and autocracies. Even when such cooperation isn't needed, a League is unlikely to be useful: The democracies themselves can't even agree on when to promote democracy. South Africa has refused to intervene in Zimbabwe; Europe won't clamp down on Russia; and, whatever their election-year bluster, a succession of American presidents has been reluctant to ruffle China's feathers.

But the greatest problem with McCain's division of the world is that it threatens to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. McCain isn't advocating a new cold war, but, if he initiated a global struggle against autocracy by founding a League of Democracies, the resulting split would roughly reproduce the cold war confrontation between West and East. By building a new organization that excludes Russia and China, the United States would create gratuitous tensions with these countries. Even without such provocation, U.S. and European relations with Russia have been growing more fractious since 2002, and McCain's approach threatens to exacerbate them in particular.

Some of the existing disagreements between Moscow and the West reflect a struggle for influence in Central Asia and in the countries on Russia's western flank. But the anger in Moscow also comes in response to what Vladimir Putin and other Russians perceive as slights from the United States and its European allies. These include the enlargement of NATO, which is still a military alliance, to include former Soviet republics; NATO and U.S. support for the Albanian Kosovars against Russia's Serbian allies; the construction of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline deliberately bypassing Russia; the invasion of Russian ally Iraq and the abrogation of older Russian oil contracts with Iraq; Western support, from McCain's IRI among others, for the anti-Russian party in Ukraine's 2004 election; and NATO's plan to construct anti-missile emplacements in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Russia's backlash against the United States and Europe began under Boris Yeltsin during the war in Kosovo. It was partly suppressed by the country's economic dependence on the West during those years, but rising oil prices have revived Russia's economy and emboldened its elites. Although Putin's lurch toward authoritarianism at home may have reflected his own priorities, any Russian leader probably would have pursued a similar approach abroad. Ivan Krastev, a political scientist at the Center for Liberal Strategies in Sofia, writes, "The Kremlin's new foreign policy is not circumstantial in nature. It is the expression of a new foreign policy consensus within the Russian elite and the Russian society at large."

How, then, should the United States react? Carefully, it would seem, criticizing Russia's authoritarianism but recognizing that Russia has legitimate security concerns and that the United States and Europe need its cooperation on vital issues like nuclear proliferation and arms reduction (which McCain advocates); Iran's uranium enrichment; the Middle East peace process; the future of Afghanistan and Iraq; and the availability of oil and natural gas.

But McCain's response has been to throw down the gauntlet. He has called Putin's complaints about the United States "childish." When Putin criticized the Bush administration in 2007 for following a "unipolar model" of foreign policy--a criticism that many Democrats shared--McCain accused Putin of trying to start a new cold war. While the Bush administration has insisted that the anti-missile batteries it hopes to place in Eastern Europe are meant to defend against Iranian missiles, McCain says they are needed as "a hedge against potential threats" from Russia and China. That's incredibly provocative-- tantamount to defining NATO again as an anti-Russian alliance. McCain continues to support the 1974 Jackson-Vanik Act's trade restrictions on Russian exports long after Soviet restrictions on Jewish emigration--the original basis for the sanction--were lifted. By doing that, he is singling out Russia from among the many pseudo-democracies or autocracies that enjoy trading relations with the United States. And, in his Los Angeles speech, McCain inserted into Kagan's draft a proposal to kick Russia out of the Group of Eight. To promote democracy, he proposed "ensuring that the G-8 becomes again a club of leading market democracies: it should include Brazil and India but exclude Russia."

Dmitri Trenin, the deputy director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, describes McCain as "an echo of the cold war" and says that "Russians see him as a guy from the past." In his recent book, Getting Russia Right, Trenin lays out what would happen if McCain got his way with the G-8. "Russia's foreign policy would turn overtly anti-American, and Moscow would feel the need to found or join a rival club." Highlighting the absurdity of McCain's provocation, his proposal can't possibly work. The G-8 operates by consensus, and other members are opposed.

Why would McCain make such a proposal, a proposal Kagan and other advisers oppose? The answer may lie with his tendency to personalize foreign policy conflicts. Like Bush, McCain looked into Putin's soul, but, where Bush saw a man "deeply committed to his country," McCain saw only devilry: "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw three things: a K and a G and a B." McCain has repeatedly displayed his contempt for the Russian. He has called Putin a "spoiled child" who exhibits "aberrational" behavior and a "totalitarian dictator who ... is trying to revert [to] the old Russian Empire." And he continues to see Russia entirely through the prism of Putin, dismissing his successor, Dmitry Medvedev, as "Putin's puppet." This tendency to personalize is common among neoconservatives who divide the world into good and evil. But, with McCain, who has always associated himself with Kagan and the more thoughtful neoconservatives, it may be more a product of his tendency to anger--and a mentality that more closely resembles the warrior than the statesman.

Indeed, McCain's cowboy antagonism extends beyond Russia. Two years ago, talking as if he were a Mafia don, McCain urged U.S. forces in Iraq to "take out" anti-American cleric Muqtada Al Sadr. In February, he publicly wished that Fidel Castro would hurry up and die, saying, "I hope he has the opportunity to meet Karl Marx very soon." Most significantly, he's apparently allowed his disgust with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad--McCain says that he refuses to "learn how to pronounce [his] name"--to cloud his judgment, identifying the Iranian president as responsible for Tehran's nuclear ambitions even though Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is in charge of the country's foreign policy.

 

So could McCain still do a "Nixon-goes-to-China"? Nixon was a realist whose achievement as a statesman (as distinct from his failure as president) rested on his recognition of the limits of American power. He understood when he came to office that the United States could not hope to achieve victory in Vietnam but would have to settle for an imperfect compromise and, after backtracking, eventually did.

Nixon, who could get into a funk over domestic opponents, was capable of an eerie detachment when it came to evaluating foreign leaders. He could also appreciate the historic insecurities that led countries to distrust the United States and each other. He confined his apocalyptic warnings of a worldwide communist conspiracy to domestic politics. He understood that beneath the appearance of socialist solidarity lay growing hostility between Russia and China, which the United States could exploit.

By contrast, McCain is a radical idealist who wants to transform the world and is reluctant to acknowledge limits to this enterprise. He imagines a "democratic" Iraq opposed to Iran and occupied indefinitely by American troops. And McCain does not seem to possess Nixon's detachment when it comes to foreign affairs. He can't see what drove Putin and now his successor to distance themselves from the United States; or what--since the time of the pro-American Shah--has driven Iran, irrespective of Ahmadinejad, to seek a nuclear capability.

If anything, McCain brings the same readiness to anger to bear in foreign relations that marked his tenure in the Senate. But it's one thing to blow up at a colleague and quite another to do so at a foreign president. The former may lead to difficulties in getting a bill passed; the latter to protracted conflict and even war. If one insists upon identifying a nation with its leader and seeing that leader as either incurably wicked or deeply irrational, then that rules out diplomacy or deterrence. Regime change becomes the only way of addressing a foe's antagonism. That, of course, was the argument that McCain and others used to justify the invasion of Iraq, and he seems to be making the same argument about Russia and Iran. John McCain has certainly had moments of greatness as a man and a politician, but, as a statesman, he's no Richard Nixon.

John Judis is a senior editor of The New Republic and a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.Subscribe to The New Republic for only $29.97 a year--75% off cover price!

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depressing article previewing what other miseries might be in store for America if the Republicans pull this one out, the only decent thing is that McCain would certainly be only a one termer, and would also be the last nail in the coffin of the neo-con vision of the world. Bush seems oblivious to how disastrous he has been, but McCain isn't, my only worry about that is as the economy continues to tank McCain might be tempted to go the warrior route to salvage his Presidency. I think right now in McCain's mind he won the war in Iraq and believes he will prevail where Bush failed.

- blackton

July 15, 2008 at 5:13pm

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The continuing grief that people like blackton and John Judis still feel over the demise of the regime of Saddam Hussein is illustrative of the fact that the contemporary left's core value is hatred of western civilization. What is depressing is the de facto alliance between the American left and its European counterpart with Islamist fascism. With the hard left, especially in Europe the alliance is explicit. But even the so-called moderates such as John Judis give every indication of believing that the West is in a confrontation with its moral superiors in the Islamic world. The left is please to defend, or at least oppose opposition to, any regime provided that it is anti-American, anti-Semitic or preferably both. We’ve been there before, haven’t we? Remember the cold war? No revelation of the cruelty, stupidity, and barbarism that prevailed in the Communist world impressed the Judises of the day. Their self-delusion and desire to indulge in a factitious sense of superiority to ordinary freedom loving people blinded them to the truth. Until recently it seemed that radical leftism was in the ashcan of history where it belonged. But along comes the rise of Islamo-fascism. The left has lost all the battles and it is angry and bitter and out for revenge, so it makes an alliance with his seeming opposite. Judis probably considers himself “progressive”. But what is progressive about the cynicism and the contempt for democratic ideals that pervade his dismal attack on a truly progressive American statesman?

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July 16, 2008 at 4:32am

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The continuing grief that people like blackton and John Judis still feel over the demise of the regime of Saddam Hussein is illustrative of the fact that the contemporary left's core value is hatred of western civilization. What is depressing is the de facto alliance between the American left and its European counterpart with Islamist fascism. With the hard left, especially in Europe the alliance is explicit. But even the so-called moderates such as John Judis give every indication of believing that the West is in a confrontation with its moral superiors in the Islamic world. The left is please to defend, or at least oppose opposition to, any regime provided that it is anti-American, anti-Semitic or preferably both. We’ve been there before, haven’t we? Remember the cold war? No revelation of the cruelty, stupidity, and barbarism that prevailed in the Communist world impressed the Judises of the day. Their self-delusion and desire to indulge in a factitious sense of superiority to ordinary freedom loving people blinded them to the truth. Until recently it seemed that radical leftism was in the ashcan of history where it belonged. But along comes the rise of Islamo-fascism. The left has lost all the battles and it is angry and bitter and out for revenge, so it makes an alliance with his seeming opposite. Judis probably considers himself “progressive”. But what is progressive about the cynicism and the contempt for democratic ideals that pervade his dismal attack on a truly progressive American statesman?

- bulbman1066

July 16, 2008 at 4:33am

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Good work John. There seems to be no doubt. A McCain Presidency would not be a Bush 3rd term. It would be worse. McCain's belligerency toward Iran would lead us into a new war. I think Nixon is the right analogy, but it is not Nixon in China. It is Nixon policy toward Laos and Cambodia which McCain will replicate.

- gennitydo

July 16, 2008 at 6:09am

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An interesting article from a number of perspectives. The first is how the author views Nixon's realism as a value worthy of emulation. However it ignores the retrenchment of American power, prestige and purpose that occured under Nixon. It ignores the betrayal of America's allies such as Taiwan and Israel, and presents a vision of American retrenchment and decline. The problem with this article, is essentially the problem with the Nixonian realism that many laud as necessary- It doesnt understand the country which it seeks to represent. America is a country dedicated to certain liberal universal values that seek not just a balance of power but essentially a balance of power based on moral absolutes. McCain knows this, thats why he will be a great president. The realism of Nixon, was nothing more than the realism and peace of the graveyard.

- Andrew

July 16, 2008 at 7:39am

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There is no contradiction between political realisam and the mythical thing progressives call "neo-conservatism". In fact, nothing is more in America's self-interest than encouraging democracies worldwide since (1) democracies don't fight each other and (2) any state that is not democratic is BY DEFINITION oppressive (and is thus philosophically incompatible with the US ethics, requiring us to compromise our principles every time we interact with them diplomatically).

- Mojo Wilkins

July 16, 2008 at 8:31am

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What is up with people and the misery theme. It seems they must stay in a dark place in their own life. McCain seems to be an optimist to me. Do any of us presumed experts know Obama's or McCain's inner thoughts. I suspect they both might surprise us. We would more than survive a McCain term and we would survive a Obama term also. Niether one of them is the great white or black hope for Amercia. I do not share the dark view of the world many so called liberals, paint the situation we are in. We will survive and the world will not come to an end unless someone gets into the whitehouse who wants to prove how tough they are because they are percieved as a wimp ie cuban missle crisis style. From an economic standpoint since my income is not over $100,000 and I work for a living,I may benefit from Sen Obama, but probably not much. From a national security standpoint I suspect I would feel safer with John McCain. McCain although not a GQ as Obama he may have the personality to uplift during difficult times. At least he smiles and has a sense of humor. Obama although he seems like a professor type wimp might surprise us also. I believe his lack of experience under heat is a risk because he has not been tested. He seems to come from wanderlust stock.

- Julieanna

July 16, 2008 at 9:16am

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What a tired rehash of the "McCain is angry and unstable" nonsense from the 2000 campaign. Judis points out that some of the things Nixon said about foreign policy were for domestic consumption only, but can't fathom that the same could be true of McCain. McCain has been traveling and meeting with foreign leaders for years - see if you can find even one that didn't respect him. What is Barack Obama's geopolitical worldview? Does he even have one? The spin on this hatchet job reaches unbelievable levels at times, as when Judis implies that the view that Russian President Medvedev is Putin's puppet is some wild notion of McCain's, when in fact absolutely everyone in the diplomatic world, and even some journalists, know this to be the case. Is it McCain, or Judis that's living in a fantasy world?

- Jeff

July 16, 2008 at 9:18am

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You write: "Some of the existing disagreements between Moscow and the West reflect a struggle for influence in Central Asia and in the countries on Russia's western flank. But the anger in Moscow also comes in response to what Vladimir Putin and other Russians perceive as slights from the United States and its European allies." A slight? You are concerned about a perceived slight in international negotiations? What Reagan did was install decapitating nuclear weapons in Europe. I would call that a dope slap. In international affairs, dope slaps are something that we can choose to deploy or not. And they are effective. Concern about perceived slights gives the initiative to the other side.

- John Marshall

July 16, 2008 at 9:21am

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>>Countries still go to war, of course, but they most often do so for non- ideological reasons: territory, regional hegemony, access to natural resources, and so on. Existing alliances often cut across different forms of government, as in the U.S. alliance with Saudi Arabia and Egypt.<< You are missing the point. Try to name an instance of democracies going to war against each other. There is none. Democracies will always try to negotiate(I don't mean the phony type for tactical advantage) to avoid war. Alliances and negotiations are sometimes possible with non-democracies, when there is overlapping interests. Democracies DO NOT go to war over territory, regional hegemony, access to natural resources. They go to war to defend against threats to the safety of themselves and others (always by non-democracies).

- Linda B

July 16, 2008 at 9:44am

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Once again Mr. Judis continues his hurang that if we would just accomodate every country with a grevience against the US or the world order, all would be well. While the new russia & the new china may not be attempting to impose their form of governace on the world, they are certainly endeavoring to impose economic hegemony on the world.....dominance without firing a shot! Another point: Mr. Judis condemes the "neo con" approach to the world because it is too activist and too insensitive to the "international community". I suppose that he will decry an Obama foreign policy that continues to negociate with all comers yet is impotent when the UN fails to counter the Mugabes of the world. Essentially , he views all manesfestations of American power as illegitimate as he has built his career around trashing America.

- Bmarks

July 16, 2008 at 10:27am

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Yes, McCain does bring that "Only Nixon Could go to China" quality. For example, it was McCain's support for establishing ties with Vietnam that gave Pres. Clinton the political coverage to do so, especially considering the controversy surrounding the establishment of ties, and of course, Clinton's avoidance of the draft. Looking back, one wonders what the big deal was. I wonder if the "bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran" moments don't reflect McCain's real world view, or stem from a tendency to either shoot off the cuff, or an attempt to be clever. I support Sen. Obama and hope that he wins the election, but should McCain win, I don't think his Presidency will be the disaster that the past 7.5 years have been. One must admit, he was right on the surge.

- Dubyadoubter

July 16, 2008 at 10:28am

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It appears that Obama supporters can casually play the age card, even as they (falsely) accuse the other side of playing the race card.

- r-ennis

July 16, 2008 at 11:08am

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Thanks, dubya, for the common sense. If we worry about Russia perceiving a slight, we will be ever worried. Russia will ALWAYS perceive slights from the West, because it has a well-founded inferiority complex vis-a-vis the Wset generally, and the US in particular. Comes from teh combination of Orthodox Christianity and Mongol political forms.

- butchie b

July 16, 2008 at 11:16am

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democracies don't go to war agains each other because they are too busy waging wars against everyboy else. plus, Hitler was democratically elected.

- margo

July 16, 2008 at 11:24am

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McCain is a 70 year old guy who won't even admit that the Vietnam War was a mistake - a mistake that put the names of 58,000 plus on a black wall in D. C. so that we may "honor" them. Today American companies are moving their manufacturing jobs out of communist China and into communist vietnam because - its cheaper!! Why not Thailand? Nah. Having a communist government means you dont have to worry about trivialities like labor unions for example. How do I look at those names on the Wall when my bedroon set was "Made in Vietnam"? Lots of those names were kids drafted off the streets, even if they didn't want to go, and dumped into a jungle - so they could "fight communism". I spent my teen years in Ike's administration and am old enough to admit my mistakes. When McCain stops running on his vietnam "hero" status and opens his eyes I'll consider voting for him.

- toritto

July 16, 2008 at 11:39am

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bulbman, you jackass, I supported the war in Iraq, my critique has always been that we won the war when we pulled Saddam out of his rat hole. The Chinese have a saying, kill the chicken and show the monkeys. If we had left Iraq to their own fate, it would have scared the hell out of the rest of the Middle East, that we will take out their leaders regardless of the consequences to their countries. In the end, I believe that the result will be the same as after the additional trillion dollars wasted, which is a Shia victory with an autonomous Kurdistan region. My critique of McCain and Bush is to presume to remake the Middle East into a bunch of Switzerlands, peaceful and Capitalistic. I have stated my position countless times on Talkback threads. Just like you to read things that aren't there. Talk about a Dimbulbman indeed.

- blackton

July 16, 2008 at 11:42am

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"One must admit, he was right on the surge." In other words, he should have listened to his generals 5 years ago.

- Creditor

July 16, 2008 at 11:47am

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What impact on the Sub-Prime loans to the Invading Horde of Illegal Aliens have on the defaults and housing crises that started the unraveling of the whole Economy! I expect, just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they played a big part! It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Invading Horde is costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate the economy!

- bill

July 16, 2008 at 11:53am

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I would suggest if we want to recapture our influence in the world, we do something about the economy and trillions of dollars of debt we have.

- Dave the Slave

July 16, 2008 at 12:09pm

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"he was right on the surge". One, did McCain not thoroughly support the invasion of Iraq, a three trillion dollar blunder that killed more than Saddam ever did and left millions homeless? "The surge"? How permanent or significant are these gains? Would it surprise anyone if violence increased or if the Iraqi government went its own way (not the bidding of the US). Just "loving" democracy and "hating" tyranny-to the sound of trumpets- is not sufficient. One needs to act intelligently and carefully and not bring down the roof over ones "good intentions".

- jfreed

July 16, 2008 at 12:17pm

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Wow. For all the desperate attempts to extract itself from the neocon/neolib Bush apologist circle (like this article) TNR's true stripes as an institution are pretty clear from this comments section. "McCain iz teh stronggist! Julieann feel safe and warmzz" et hoc genus omne. Shame on you for being fooled by this gasbag in the first place, Judas. (Oops, did I spell that right?)

- TNRreapsthewhirlwind

July 16, 2008 at 12:45pm

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Where does this idea that Judis (or anyone else)feels grief for Hussein's regime come from? DO you sit around and try to make up implausibly stupid things to write, or does it come naturally? At no point in the article is any grief for any regimes mentioned, nor are any pro-Islamic leanings evinced. Perhaps you should learn to read articles before you start critiquing them. I take no issue with responses meant to defend McCain, or to argue the merits of the article. I take no issue with those who vehemently disagree with the article's author in regards to the substance of the article. However, making things up and attacking strawmen for the purposes of defending Senator McCain (or Obama, or anyone else) is guaranteed to raise my ire. You, bulbman1066, Sir, are a jackass and a hack.

- El Crab

July 16, 2008 at 12:56pm

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>Try to name an instance of democracies going to war against each other. Just one? Sorry, that IS a problem... Going back only about 2500 years or so, the Greek city states (mostly democracies) waged war on each other all the time. During the republican era, Rome waged war at one time or another on just about everyone, including Carthage three times (Carthage was another democratic republic). More recently, the American Revolution (what the colonists were pissed off about is the fact that they didn't enjoy the same rights as the folks back home in the good ol' parliamentary democracy of England, hence... "no taxation without representation , etc".) The War of 1812. The Mexican-American war. The US Civil War. The Spanish American War. The Boer War. Any of several wars between India and Pakistan. Those are just the big ones I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. Truth is, communist dictatorships go to war with one another far less often than democracies do, but somehow I don't think that qualifies as a recommendation for that form of govornment... .

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July 16, 2008 at 1:18pm

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Obama's approach to war is as dumb as he is, nouveau coffee-shop bargaining with despots who hold the world in danger from their nukes. Has everyone forgotten his ridiculous article in the Hyde Park journal right after 9/11? He claims that 9/11 was a result of poverty and a lack of "empathy" on the side of the terrorists. "Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of a child or the desperation of a parent, is not innate; nor, history tells us, is it unique to a particular culture, religion, or ethnicity. It may find expression in a particular brand of violence, and may be channeled by particular demagogues or fanatics. Most often, though, it grows out of a climate of poverty and ignorance, helplessness and despair." Not a peep about the koran and its influence on billions. It's poverty. Never mind the middle-class, western-educated scum that comprised the majority of the 19.

- jwl2672

July 16, 2008 at 1:57pm

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You know, it wasn't always pretty, but we did end up winning the cold war.

- jpb

July 16, 2008 at 2:26pm

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Judis, the Democrats' response to Communism and the Cold War was pretty damn lame after 1968, and never worked very well. Dinosaurs like Reagan, Bush 1, and now Bush 2, have been a helluva lot more effective then the feckless Dems. Relics, indeed.

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July 16, 2008 at 2:29pm

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Well it's Mccain vs the Peanut Farmer Junior... Obamba would lead us back to a second term for Carter. Higher taxation, cowering, and a landslide defaet in 2012 for the Peanut Farmer Junior. More graft, and pork barrel spending. Result: A decimated military Malaise Surrender to terrorism Wild inflation I pass on the Peanut Farmer Junior

- Neal

July 16, 2008 at 2:31pm

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Grimsreaperwhirlhead or whatever... don't you belong on wonkette with your spellchecker at your side.

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July 16, 2008 at 3:51pm

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I plan to vote for Obama but until now I had not actually feared a McCain presidency. I hope Obama wraps the misguided "League of Democracies" idea right around McCain's personalizing bellicose neck.

- cforeman

July 16, 2008 at 3:54pm

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The neo con foreign policy lovers that have commented at the top of this thread are outstanding. I have a simple message for these romantic utopian cretins: your dreamworld is about to end because you've managed to ruin America's special grace. Congradulations.

- Northern Observer

July 16, 2008 at 4:30pm

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Have you read the comments? The folks taking a different view from the author's "progressive" side are polite and to the point of their argument. The "progressives" who agree with the author's view have resorted to launching insults and name calling those they disagree with rather than politely stating their case and disagreeing.

- Have You noticed?

July 16, 2008 at 4:48pm

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That the election of John McCain could easily prove to be a national disaster comes through clearly in this very fine analysis.

- James Canning

July 16, 2008 at 6:31pm

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Back to the USSR John McCain's approach to terrorism is almost as old as he is, a true relic of the Cold War.
TNR editors, could you PLEASE moderate the relentless ageism reflected in your subhed above? It turns my stomach.

- Diane

July 16, 2008 at 6:45pm

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There should be a debate about what should be done in the world, and what steps America should take. First, I remember my sister's friend Halima from Morocco, who said in response to the war in Irag "If it is not America then who else?" Certainly, the United States is extraordinarily selfless. The movie blood diamonds, did anyone see it? That war ended when George Bush sent troops into Liberia. A weak foreign policy based on debate will lead to Darfur. If it wasn't the case, Darfus would be different. Do we help or don't we help? Truman was very unpopular, but where would you rather live, North Korea or South Korea? As far as leaving Saddam Hussein in power, doesn't anyone remember the all children fleeing the prisons or the mass graves? Hasn't anyone heard the of teenagers and college students tortured for questioning the government? I don't know, it seemed like a good idea at the time. At the time, 85% of Americans agreed. Now, it seems like we should rap this up and leave the place better than we found it. It feels like the Civil War where one half of America is de-humanizing the other half of America. It doesn't even really matter what you believe because either you are a Yankee fan or a Red Sox fan. I mean Republican or Democrat, since the other side is stupid with evil intentions, which will destroy the world as we know it. Anyway, just a thought.

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July 16, 2008 at 8:38pm

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What a great assessment. In the end, the character and true spirit of the man is what will matter most. And here I give the edge to McCain.

- Tom

July 16, 2008 at 9:21pm

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Great article on the real dangers that a McCain presidency (God forbid) would bring.... On virtually every issue, McCain is completely out of touch with reality - from "clearing up the national debt" by the end of his first term, to his plan for "Iraqification" in Afganistan. And lets talk about the so-called "success"???? of the "surge". McCain says: "It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan. It is by applying the tried and true principles of counterinsurgency used in the surge—which Sen. Obama opposed—that we will win in Afghanistan." The main reason for the reduction of violence in Iraq is because we are paying almost a million dollars a day to the Sunni Sahwah Councils so that their militias will not fight us. The going rate is now $10 US per day to each of the approximately 80,000 Sunni militia. I have absolutely no doubt that we are paying the Shia (Sadr Army) as well. While it may be a novel idea in IraQ, I didn't realize that paying off your enemies not to fight is part of "the tried and true principles of counterinsurgency" Sure – we can just pay off the Taliban, right?????? Somehow, I don’t think that will work…….

- tetvet68

July 16, 2008 at 10:24pm

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Great article on the real dangers that a McCain presidency would bring.... On virtually every issue, McCain is completely out of touch with reality - from "clearing up the national debt" by the end of his first term, to his plan for "Iraqification" in Afganistan. And lets talk about the so-called "success"???? of the "surge". McCain says: "It is precisely the success of the surge in Iraq that shows us the way to succeed in Afghanistan. It is by applying the tried and true principles of counterinsurgency used in the surge—which Sen. Obama opposed—that we will win in Afghanistan." The main reason for the reduction of violence in Iraq is because we are paying almost a million dollars a day to the Sunni Sahwah Councils so that their militias will not fight us. The going rate is now $10 US per day to each of the approximately 80,000 Sunni militia. I have absolutely no doubt that we are paying the Shia (Sadr Army) as well. While it may be a novel idea in IraQ, I didn't realize that paying off your enemies not to fight is part of "the tried and true principles of counterinsurgency" Sure – we can just pay off the Taliban, right?????? Somehow, I don’t think that will work…….

- tetvet68

July 16, 2008 at 11:09pm

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Blackton I sincerely apologize for linking you to the hate America left, the so-called "peace" movement. I stand corrected. Members of the loyal opposition such as you have nothing in common with enemy sympathizers such as such as Code Pink and moveon.org. But your and Donald Rumsfeld's strategy of just overthrowing Saddam and getting the hell out lacks plausibility. What was to keep Saddam from making a comeback? What was to keep Al Qaeda from replacing him in at least part of Iraq? What was to keep Iranian proxies like Al-Sadr from taking over the Shiite parts of Iraq? As Colin Powell said, quoting the sign on the wall of the antique store, you break it you've bought it. Look at Europe. We had to rescue them from the Nazis, then save them from the Bolsheviks. On our nickel. With our blood. As late as the 90's the Europeans couldn't deal with a tinhorn dictator like Milosevic without American help. It appears that at least some of the Europeans understand this. The Dutch, the Danes, the Spanish, the Italians and many eastern European countries sent troops to Iraq. France and Germany have now elected pro-US leaders. The Europeans who still believe that the west is worth saving have made their peace with the Bush administration. So should American liberals, at least when it comes to foreign policy. Politicizing the defense of the country against people dedicated to its destruction is the height of irresponsibility. There is some indication that Barack Obama understands this as he seeks to distance himself from the feckless pacifism (or worse) of his leftist base. Or am I being too hopeful?

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July 17, 2008 at 12:29am

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Blackton I sincerely apologize for linking you to the hate America left, the so-called "peace" movement. I stand corrected. Members of the loyal opposition such as you have nothing in common with enemy sympathizers such as such as Code Pink and moveon.org. But your and Donald Rumsfeld's strategy of just overthrowing Saddam and getting the hell out lacks plausibility. What was to keep Saddam from making a comeback? What was to keep Al Qaeda from replacing him in at least part of Iraq? What was to keep Iranian proxies like Al-Sadr from taking over the Shiite parts of Iraq? As Colin Powell said, quoting the sign on the wall of the antique store, you break it you've bought it. Look at Europe. We had to rescue them from the Nazis, then save them from the Bolsheviks. On our nickel. With our blood. As late as the 90's the Europeans couldn't deal with a tinhorn dictator like Milosevic without American help. It appears that at least some of the Europeans understand this. The Dutch, the Danes, the Spanish, the Italians and many eastern European countries sent troops to Iraq. France and Germany have now elected pro-US leaders. The Europeans who still believe that the west is worth saving have made their peace with the Bush administration. So should American liberals, at least when it comes to foreign policy. Politicizing the defense of the country against people dedicated to its destruction is the height of irresponsibility. There is some indication that Barack Obama understands this as he seeks to distance himself from the feckless pacifism (or worse) of his leftist base. Or am I being too hopeful?

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July 17, 2008 at 4:16am

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The problem with the Neocons - and the problem of McCain having so many of them as his advisors - is that they have a type of ideological koolaid in their head, instead of taking the world in 'just as it is' in Reality. Its great to have ideals; the problem with Neoconism is that an ideology has replaced an objective assessment of the world scene. They are like an intellectual virus that pollutes and corrupts wherever it is to be found, like BolshevISM. They are squaring Reality to their own pet theory. They fundamentally miss out on the fact that man is fallen and so are political processes. The perfidy of man is that once you have set up elections, they will elect the Taliban (or whoever). Very often a country is years or decades away from a democracy; some of them have had benevolent monarchies. The British Commonwealth represent scores of democracies that are constitutional monarchies, for instance. No one has ever proved that there should be no royalty; it is the height of hubris for Neocons (and other Americans) to think that the world should be in their image only. One could say that this represents a weakness in America, born of the guilt of their own revolution.

- Canadian Tory

July 17, 2008 at 12:06pm

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fair enough, but I wrote after we pulled Saddam out of his rat hole, not before, and I have consistently been in favor of redeployment to the Kurdish region, let the Sunnis and Shias sort out their mess, we let the Bosnians. And my point it our breaking it and walking away is a hell of a lot more threatening than breaking it and then paying for it through the nose for a generation. And from our bases in Kurdistan, we could rain down bombs on any Al Qaeda gathering whenever we chose. I am convinced in the south the Shia would have won, and we would most likely have Maliki now in any event since he was favored by both Sciri and Sadr. And defending western Europe from the Commie tide is a hell of a lot different from defending Sunnis and Shias from each other.

- blackton

July 17, 2008 at 2:14pm

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Blackton, peeling off Kurdistan might have been a good strategy, but that wasn’t as simple as it might seem. The Turks would have hit the freak zone, and internal divisions among the Kurds would have been a problem. On the other hand the Kurds, thanks to the British and American Air Forces, have been de facto independent since the early nineties. There was some talk of using the blackton strategy at the time. I'll never forget an interview with a poor Kurdish family on CNN. "What's your son's name?" asked the interviewer. "Dick Cheney" came the reply. They named their son after an American who was party to their betrayal by Bush I in 1991. That is how much they depend on us for their survival. >let the Sunnis and Shias sort out their mess, we let the Bosnians Whatever are you talking about? NATO intervened in Bosnia and is there to this day. (NATO intervened, but not before the cowardly dithering of the western powers allowed the Serbs to perpetrate crimes against humanity amounting to genocide. Is that the model of western behavior you are recommending?) But that's all ancient history. The amazing fact is that at long last the Coalition in Iraq is succeeding. Al Qaeda and Al Sadr are on the verge of total defeat. The government is coming together. There is a real possibility that Iraq will become the first democracy in the Arab world. If it happens it could be a turning point in history comparable almost to the collapse of the Soviet Empire. This isn't neocon propaganda. Even the Washington Post says it true. Even Barack Obama is coming around, at least on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays ?.

- bulbman1066

July 18, 2008 at 12:31am

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Ah yes, Mr. Judis damns McCain with the worst epithet of all, twisting that knief - "take that, you...you...neoconservative!" Shame on John McCain for believing the radical, supposedly neoconservative idea that Democracy is a thing worth supporting, and that Democracies have interests in common (funny, calling McCain a neoconservative seems to run counter to Judis' premise that McCain's strategy is based on old cold war dynamics, but hey, let's not let consistency of argument get in the way of a good McCain-bashing). Doesn't Mr. McCain know how naive faith in Democracy is? Deep cynicism is the only war to run U.S. foreign policy. Idealism is for amateurs. Thank you, John Judis, for giving me another reason to vote John McCain by clarifying once and for all that he is no Richard Nixon.

- Ken Harvey

July 18, 2008 at 2:57am

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Please note that the US is the only real democracy in the world. It has gone to war - without being attacked - a number of times: Mexico, Spain, Germany,Korea, Vietnam, Soviet Union (by supporting the Taliban), Iraq (2x). By the way, since the basic conservative position is that we support any government which is anti-communist no matter (which is why we supported Iraq against Iran)their form of goverment; it is not clear to me why we didn't ask our Taliban friends to wipe out Al Qaida. Arabs much prefer to fight each other and a little money can go a long way(as we have recently seen in Iraq). The people responsible for 9/11 were based in Afganistan, which was governed by people we paid and trained to fight the Russians in Afganistan. They were not friends of Bin Laden before we attacked them. All our previous voluntary wars make some sense: we got something we thought we wanted or were part of the crazy cold war; the second war with Iraq makes no sense whatsoever.

- oxheadone

July 20, 2008 at 9:41pm

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