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JONATHAN CHAIT APRIL 19, 2010

What Conservative Epistemic Closure Means

Ross Douthat jumps into the debate over whether the conservative movement is moving toward epistemic closure. His take is worth reading, but unfortunately, he answers the wrong question:

[Y]ou’ll find a pretty lively debate about everything from  financial reform to health care to taxes, with plenty of room for diversity and disagreement and heterodoxy. I’m not going to argue that this is a golden age of conservative domestic policy, exactly, but I do think that the end of the Bush administration has opened up space for a lot of interesting conversations, and allowed some impressive younger thinkers come to fore.

Epistemic closure isn't about agreeing on everything. I'll outsource my reply here to Jonathan Bernstein, who was responding to Jonah Goldberg, who made the same erroneous response as Douthat:

The accusation isn't that conservatives all reach the same conclusions about everything, nor is it that conservatives are excessively politically correct, nor is it that conservatives demand strict adherence to a set of ideas if one is to remain a conservative in good standing.  It's rather about information, and what counts as evidence about the real world.  Sanchez's point is that if one only gets information from a narrow set of sources that feed back into each other but do not engage beyond themselves, that one will have a closed mind (not his phrase, by the way) regardless of what one does with that information.

In other words, the problem is that the movement has created its own subculture, and within this subculture, only information from sources controlled by the movement is considered trustworthy or even worth paying attention to. This can be the case even if conservatives disagree about the proper conservative policy.

Conservative apostate Bruce Bartlett offers up an example. In 2003, he provided some explosive quotes that served as the lead of a damning New York Times magazine cover story about the Bush administration. Here's what happened next: 

A few days after the article appeared I was at some big conservative event in Washington. I assumed that my conservative friends would give me a lot of crap for what I said. But in fact no one said anything to me--and not in that embarrassed/averting-one's-eyes sort of way. They appeared to know nothing about it.

After about half an hour I decided to start asking people what they thought of the article. Every single one gave me the same identical answer: I don't read the New York Times. Moreover, the answers were all delivered in a tone that suggested I was either stupid for asking or that I thought they were stupid for thinking they read the Times.

I should note that Douthat himself is clearly not part of this problem -- he does not operate from the assumption that information from the "liberal media" should be dismissed out of hand. But the problem does afflict significant numbers of conservative elites and probably an even larger share of the Republican base.

 

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I eagerly await your next book, Jonathan : Epistemic Closure on the Right.

- liberal reformer

April 19, 2010 at 11:52am

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I think it even goes beyond this, I think they close themselves off to even non controversial facts. Living in Mexico I only have CNN International and Fox and once in a while I watch Fox. At the end of O'Reilly show segments he sometimes quizzes other newscasters about banal topics. Two of the bottle bleach blonde newsbimbos had to answer pretty basic questions, I got 5 of 5 without thinking (and this is not bragging, the questions were not difficult) Only one question I would consider a bit of a trick but from a logical process of elimination knew the right one. It asked what Mitt Romneys father was famous for. One choice was former Governor of Michigan and another was former Pres. of GM. One of the bimbos insisted the correct answer was former Pres. of GM (understandable since he was former Chairman of AMC) but how is it she didn't know George Romney was former Governor of Michigan and that was a large reason Mitt did well in Michigan? One got 1 of 5, the other got 2 of 5 answers. Neither of these women seemed to feel in the least embarrassed. All of the questions were basic news info as well, no sports or pop culture questions among them. And also on Fox they simply asserted the logo for the nuclear non prolif. summit was Islamic in nature, when it was nothing more than a hydrogen atom. It went even beyond mere ideology, they are simply assuming that facts are the way they imagine them to be. To be honest, I would love for there to be an intelligent, fact based forum on the right that I could access but it is getting harder and harder.

- blackton

April 19, 2010 at 12:05pm

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What conservative policy debates? There were no debates on the Right during healthcare reform. It was uniformly argued that any additional healthcare for the poor would lead to the execution of your white grandparents by a black President. The Onion sums up the conservative policy platform pretty nicely: A Republican President would deal with a budget surplus by pushing tax cuts for the rich. He would deal with a budget deficit by passing tax cuts for the rich. He would deal with a raging wild fire by pushing for tax cuts for the rich.

- Virginia Centrist

April 19, 2010 at 12:44pm

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Tax cuts for the rich would have the Taliban quaking in their boots!

- ironyroad

April 19, 2010 at 1:39pm

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