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In the spring of 2006, Jim Webb was not yet a rising superstar. In fact, he was late getting started and low on cash in his effort to win the Virginia Democratic primary, so an admiring Roanoke circuit clerk named Steve McGraw took pity on him and agreed to put him up when he came to southwestern Virginia to campaign. Webb quickly established himself as the model houseguest, washing everybody's chili bowls and shooting pool with McGraw over a bottle of Maker's Mark bourbon. But a worry gnawed at McGraw: The rumor about Webb was that behind the noble-war-hero facade lay a man who harbored a volatile, prideful, and possibly unmanageable anger. "I kept looking for it," confides McGraw. "He started late, with no money. He told me that during the campaign he was sleeping about four hours a night for five months, and he said, 'I just can't turn my brain off.' ... I kept saying, 'Sooner or later, something's gonna happen.'"
McGraw isn't the only person who's kept vigil waiting for Jim Webb to blow. Webb the hair-triggered hothead has become something of a legend here in Washington. Reporters pepper their Webb stories with colorful adjectives like "irascible" and "enraged," and, throughout town, he's often whispered of as though he were a mysterious specimen from a foreign and bellicose tribe. As evidence of Webb's hot streak, Washington social anthropologists point out that he switched party loyalties; that he's fond of hyperbole (he once called the Naval Academy a "horny woman's dream"); that he angrily quit his post as Reagan's Navy secretary; that he snapped at President Bush for asking after his soldier son Jimmy at a November 2006 White House party; and that his legislative aide tried to bring his loaded gun into the Capitol last spring, prompting Webb to explain cryptically that it was important "for a lot of people in the situation that I am in to be able to defend myself and my family. " (What "situation"? Does he shoot his political enemies?)
The interesting thing about the angry-Webb mythology, though, is that it fascinates just as much as it frightens. Fellow Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill adoringly described Webb as a "street brawler," capturing the way some Democrats--call them the Jim Webb Orientalists--romanticize Webb's aggressive, exotically redneck roots and, by extension, his capacity to hormonally invigorate a party sick of its effete, wine-sipping image. Why promote aristocratic Democrats like Al Gore or John Kerry when there's Webb, who hangs out not with actresses or New York bankers but with the likes of his friend "Mac" McGarvey, a rough-hewn, ex-Marine honky-tonk manager with a nipple ring and only one arm?
And the specific trajectory of Webb's political anger--he's a former Republican now raging against a "Republican Party that continually seeks to politicize military service" and CEOs "openly consumed by self-justifying greed"--is powerfully appealing, too. He embodies the liberal fantasy laid out by Thomas Frank in What's the Matter With Kansas?: that blue-collar whites will stop being mad at liberals for frowning at their guns and start being mad at conservatives for raping their pocketbooks. His emotional journey is the same one liberals want lower-class whites to undergo en masse.
For these reasons, Jim Webb's anger would seem to make him an especially powerful vice-presidential choice for the refined and white-working-class-alienating Barack Obama. But the researchers vetting Obama's shortlist must be vexed by a question: Is Jim Webb a vessel for the kind of righteous indignation the Democrats need--or is he just too angry to be vice president?
Webb was an author before he was a senator; and, more than anything else--more than his conduct as Navy secretary or the occasional heated quote--his literary oeuvre is probably the source of his hotheaded reputation. Consider the Scots-Irish heritage--"whose blood still courses in [his] veins"--that Webb traces in his pop-history book Born Fighting. The modern-day Scots-Irish now living in Appalachia and the American South are, he explains, cut from the same mold as the "large-limbed, tattooed, red-haired madmen" of medieval Scotland who struck fear into the hearts of the more genteel Romans. These tribes were fiercely suspicious of authority, and their signature unwillingness to kiss anybody else's ass persisted through generations of depressing migrations and poverty. Their hero was William Wallace, who "learned early to hate--and to fight--the local English authorities." In the sixteenth century, writes Webb, the Scots-Irish could be found taking part in "unending blood feuds" in Scotland; by the seventeenth century, they were writing "no surrender" in their own blood during the siege of Londonderry in Ireland; by the eighteenth, they had become "daring moonshine runners" in the colonies; in the nineteenth, they were peopling the "frequently impatient, always outnumbered ... wildly and recklessly Celtic" Confederate army against the "plodding" Union force; and, by the twentieth, they were mounting KKK rallies out of "bitterness at being dominated."
Webb obviously finds this sort of wild, brawling nature seductive. At times, Born Fighting describes the Scots-Irish fighting spirit with almost pornographic delight: These men were "bellicose and often warlike," "unapologetically, even devilishly hedonistic," "often impossible to control," men of "infinite stubbornness" who "dressed provocatively, acted with a volatile belligerence, drank to excess," and "came to accept the fight as birthright, even as some kind of proof of life." Their modern heirs were people like Webb's father's friend Bud, whom Webb worshipped as a child and who once punched somebody so hard his eyeball fell out when he sneezed.
How much of himself does Webb see in this? "A lot of it," he told me last month in his office, which is decorated with portraits of haunted-eyed Appalachians. "The culture formed me, and the military accentuated that." It's not hard to see why Washington's ruling class feared that Webb would be a little too keen on bringing Bud's m.o. to the Senate.
Last summer, Webb's fellow senator from Virginia, John Warner, put these fears to the test by taunting Webb with a once-in-a-lifetime political betrayal. For months, Webb had been working tirelessly on an amendment to cap the length of soldiers' tours in Iraq, and Warner had promised him crucial support. But, just hours before the scheduled vote on September 19, Warner backed out. "I endorsed it," he proclaimed melodramatically on the Senate floor. "I intend now to cast a vote against it." Standing nearby, Webb looked like he'd been slugged in the face.
Warner's bombshell, which doomed Webb's amendment, was enough to send the phlegmatic Harry Reid into spasms of bitter complaints; and the stunned scribes gathered in the press gallery could only wonder what kind of fury it would provoke from Webb. After all, if William Wallace had been jilted like that, he probably would have stabbed the offender on the spot. We all ran down to the post-vote press conference to witness the fireworks.
But then came the surprise: There were none. In fact, in defeat, Webb was less William Wallace than Oprah Winfrey. "I think Senator Warner probably struggled with this right down to the wire," he said empathetically, gently adding that he had "great respect" for the treasonous Virginia Republican. The Chicago Tribune's Jill Zuckman captured the press's bewilderment. "After the vote, Webb seemed sorrowful rather than angry," she wrote.
It wasn't an isolated moment. In fact, Webb's behavior since reentering politics suggests that, while he might admire the bellicose personality type, his own temperament just isn't as hot as advertised. A friend, the author Bob Timberg, recalls that the first time he thought Webb had a chance to win the Senate race was when he watched him on "The Colbert Report." "I thought he might kill [Colbert]," Timberg admits. "And he was just fine!" Steve McGraw, the man who hosted Webb during the 2006 campaign, reports that the explosion he was waiting for never came; in fact, he found Webb had an "extremely good sense of humor." And, more recently, Webb's work on the G.I. Bill has been a model of negotiating patience and discipline. He reached out to vets' groups like the American Legion to build grassroots support. He gave up some of his own demands to bring skittish GOPers (like Warner) on board. And he waited. By the time it came to a vote last month, there was such momentum in favor of the bill that 25 Republicans jumped on, humiliating John McCain, who'd tried to stop it. The rumors of Webb's difficult nature, a once-skeptical Democratic aide raves, are "all blown out of proportion. ... There are no surprises with him."
These days, Warner practically falls all over himself with praise for Webb's comity. "During a vote, on several occasions he's turned to me and said, 'Which vote do you think is in the best interest of the country?'" Warner says, sounding proud that Webb takes his advice. "You couldn't really want anything more from a working partner."
Webb has even repaired relations, or tried to, with Bush. When his son came home from Iraq, Webb decided to at least pretend that the president had evinced a good-faith curiosity in the boy and trooped him down to the White House to take a picture in the Oval Office. Jimmy, in his dress blues, looks vaguely irritated to be in the president's presence, but Senator Webb is smiling.
When it comes to anger, then, Jim Webb is more theorist than practitioner. He believes in anger, appreciates its role in history, even glorifies it--which is not the same as actually being angry.
Webb came to believe in anger not during his childhood, nor at war, but at Georgetown Law School. Landing there in the early '70s after Vietnam, he found himself thrust into a den of upper-crust snobs who relentlessly mocked the soldiers who had served with him. He describes the type in his novel A Country Such as This:
The students, the people of books and pep clubs and prom committees, who had from their childhood feared the simple power and brutality of the blue collar kids, the red-necks, the bowling alley kings, the hot-rodding, ducktailed greasers who once mocked their studies and their lack of manliness ... [now] unloaded on the soldiers, cursing them, daring them, under the accepted guise of hating Army, Pentagon and War.
The "people of books" at Georgetown taunted Webb, who was actually something of a natural intellectual (he likes T.S. Eliot and Impressionist art), for being a "wasp" and a dumb soldier. For the first time in his life, Webb started to feel like he was different. With a curiosity born of alienation, he ducked into the Library of Congress and started to read about his Scots-Irish roots, wolfing down six books on ethnic migration in five days. Through his reading, he came to understand his experience at Georgetown as part of a long struggle waged by his warlike people against cultural elites. "[N]o other group [than the white working class] has been so denigrated, attacked, and even feared by America's ever more interconnected ruling elites," he writes in Born Fighting. "Had I not gone to law school, I never would have fully comprehended ... the ingrained condescension of the nation's elites towards my culture."
By the end of his time at Georgetown, he had come to believe in the legitimacy of white anger in America-- anger, after all, was the age-old Scots-Irish response to being treated unjustly. He explains to me that he and his people had ample reason to "turn around and [tell the Democrats], 'You guys don't respect us, you don't want us around,'" since the party's class-based condescension led it not only to mistreat Vietnam vets but to turn affirmative action into a perverse system of discrimination against poor whites and to blow the Navy's Tailhook sex-abuse scandal into a "witch hunt" against fighting men.
This is still Webb's narrative. Only now, the elites he mistrusts--the objects of his righteous anger--are less likely to be Democrats than big-business-loving Republicans. "What did these people do to earn these fabulous sums?" he writes of wealthy CEOs in his new book, A Time to Fight. "Did they invent the lightbulb? Did they discover the Internet?" And now it's Republicans who insult the soldiers, with their "patronizing litanies [to] shield themselves from accountability by claiming that criticism of the Bush Administration's policies undermines the troops." Lower-class whites, he believes, have every right to be as angry at Republicans after Bush as they were at Democrats after Johnson. "He was right," Webb tells me of Barack Obama's infamous comment that rural whites are "bitter." "They're mad."
Webb is supposed to be Obama's opposite: the angry white politician to Obama's mild-mannered black one. But, oddly, Webb has something fundamental in common with Obama. Both men felt ill at ease at elite schools, leading them to embark on quests to rediscover their ethnic identities in their twenties. Both deepened these discoveries through writing. And both came to their identities as outsiders--as admiring anthropologists of the identity rather than people for whom the identity was organic from birth. This explains why Webb can celebrate anger without succumbing to it. It also helps explain his appeal to Democrats. Like Obama, he is not simply a member of a group historically important to the party; he is someone who embodies that group, someone who has turned that group's narrative into his own. Webb--who, in our interview, defended Obama against charges of cultural elitism made by people "trying to cut Barack down"--has shown appreciation for the similarity between their projects. "If [the Scots-Irish] could get at the same table as black America, you could change populist American politics," he told Joe Scarborough last month, "because they have so much in common in terms of what they need out of government."
Thanks to their analogous symbolic roles, Webb and Obama have one more politically important and bizarre similarity: They appeal to the same voters, wine-track Democrats who come out in unprecedented droves to vote for a black man or a hillbilly white because they want their party to be bigger than themselves. While you'd expect Webb to attract poor, rural beer-trackers, in his 2006 Senate race he didn't do any better than the previous Democratic candidate had among Appalachian voters in southwestern Virginia; instead, he was propelled to victory by Northern Virginia suburbanites--Obama's base.
In the end, if Obama picks Webb to be his running mate, it will probably be more on the basis of their affinity than on Webb's power to win white votes--or Webb's capacity to balance Obama's laid-back vibe with some pugnaciousness. It will be a unity-loving, proud-to-be-black man acknowledging just how much he has in common with an anger-loving, proud-to-be-white one.
Eve Fairbanks is an associate editor of The New Republic.
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59 comments
The Jim Webb I expected when he first began his run for office, the one whom I vaguely remembered with a certain disapproval mixed with curiosity from his Washingtonian article days, is not the Jim Webb we've seen. The Jim Webb we've seen is a man of deep intellect and astounding capacity for introspection. He has an extraordinary sense of duty, yet none of the robotic qualities dutiful people are alleged to possess. He is his own man, who freely and voluntarily curbs his natural clock-cleaning impulses because he's always able to see the big picture before him. He understands that in order to achieve his goals he must set aside emotional reactions and seek instead ways that he can bring others to the same conclusions he has reached, yet in conversation he still speaks with passion of the issues which concern him most. Ask him about the things important to him - the treatment of veterans, the incarceration crisis, economic inequities, wage discrimination - and he will speak from the heart. You can tell that he actually cares about these issues in a most personal way. We could use a few more like him.
- Carla
June 6, 2008 at 4:57pm
Eve, thanks so much for writing such a superlative, introspective article on Jim Webb, accurately and correctly capturing his robust personality and, especially, his strong intellect and wit. As he has proven time and again, Jim Webb is the real deal; a true American patriot and statesman who is all about service to his country, not ego nor hubris nor pride. We Virginians are most fortunate to have Jim Webb representing us as our junior U. S. Senator, but if the opportunity should arise for Webb to be of even greater service to his country as Vice-President or even President I, for one, am willing to share him with the rest of the nation. One thing is for certain; if Webb is asked to serve in such capacities, he would do so only out of a sense of obligation, dedication and duty to this nation that he loves so dearly. This year, I can't imagine a better ticket to win the White House than Obama/Webb 08. Thanks again! Steve
- Steve McGraw
June 7, 2008 at 8:44am
A fascinating article...but also a massive bait-and-switch. Nothing in the build-up prepares you for the last two paragraphs, Eve. It's still fantastically written, but its structure left me sort of scratching my head. It feels like a lot of good stuff got cut for space, which is too bad.
- emigdio
June 9, 2008 at 3:52am
Great article! I learned a lot about Jim Webb that I'd never heard before, and it made me more friendly to the idea of a Obama - Webb ticket. We could certainly do lots worse.
- JackR
June 9, 2008 at 7:09am
Eve, nice job. Sen. Webb may have some problems with voters once the msm starts rehashing some of his comments about women over the years. My wife for one. But having him on the ticket will not stop her or other voters from voting for Sen. Obama.Having Sen. Webb out on the campaign trail will only add to the excitement that Sen.Obamas' campaign has generated. While former Sen. Sam Nunn would be my first choice for vp,I would be just as happy with Sen. Webb as vp and Sen. Nunn as Sec. of Defense. 2008 is going to be a great year for Democrats and America. And it will be nice to vote for someone rather than voting against someone.
- frankinnc
June 9, 2008 at 7:14am
Nice article Eve. I have been quite impressed with Webb ever since h started running for Senate. I like the chemistry with Obama. I think they make a good, balanced, team. But, and I'm surprised you didn't mention it except obliquely with your Naval Academy/horny women reference: Webb has been accused of sexism. Of all the things that Obama doesn't need to dredge up, this possibly tops the list. These charges stem from comments Webb made some years ago about women not being fit for the military and like his quote in the story about the Annapolis and horny women. Could Webb and Obama get past this or will it just inflame the Hillaryistas?
- sabatia
June 9, 2008 at 7:35am
So McCain is an out of control hothead and Webb is an intellect with a tough strike. Tell me has anyone from McCain' stuff been busted for sneaking weapons into the Capitol?
- kabookey
June 9, 2008 at 9:01am
What strikes me as most important in Webb's account of the Scots-Irish in Born Fighting is the view that each individual is soveriegn in his own life. Growing up with that view of things, one is shocked to find that the prevailing view in our culture is that each individual is defined by the sum of his or her institutional achievements and commitments. What many might see as belligerence among Scots-Irish folk is just the belief that the buck stops here. Your article makes me rather sad. Though I admire Webb's book, he is a pale shadow of the real deal, namely, George Wallace. I do not miss Wallace's racism. I do miss his attitude that "no pointy-headed intellectual who can't park a bicycle straight is going to tell me what to do." Today, Wallace's attitude is buried underneath mountains of political correctness.
- John Marshall
June 9, 2008 at 9:43am
Fantastic article!
- Deborah
June 9, 2008 at 10:02am
Eve - a great article; I have even more respect for Mr. Webb than before. Am not convinced that he would be the best choice for VP - but certainly, in 2016, a great choice for Prez.
- icarusr
June 9, 2008 at 10:16am
Recently I heard from a friend about Se. Webb speaking at a Confederate Monument in VA. Does any tnr readers/bloggers know where I could find an article about this?
- fseidle
June 9, 2008 at 10:21am
If it weren't for all the aggrieved women from the Clinton camp undermining Obama's left (!?) then Webb would be a great choice. The ticket has a funny name though, Obama Webb sounds like something Spiderman would use to defeat Doctor Octupus.
- blackton
June 9, 2008 at 10:33am
I certainly understand where Webb is coming from with regards to elites looking down on and taking advantage of white working people. I come from that stock myself, and the Republicans are certainly guilty of not listening to their concerns. But the other side of this is, which is mentioned in the article, is independence. Being "left alone" so to speak and having a strong affinity for self determination and self sufficiency. These are strong characteristics of the Scot-Irish heritage (which I share with Webb). So the question I would ask of Jim Webb and Democrats in general is simply this: Knowing that the Democratic platform is one of more government oversight, more government intervention in the decisions we make with regards to healthcare, retirement planning, etc., and more government control of our financial resources through increased taxes, how does this equate with Webb's Scot-Irish traits? How does one keep one's independence and self-reliance when everything his party does flies in the face of that?
- Mike
June 9, 2008 at 11:08am
Who cares if Webb spoke at or near a Confederate monument? Hell, I'm a huge Obama supporter AND the descendant of Confederate military figures. And as for his having a gun brought into the Senate - so what? McCain's done something 1000x worse: getting us into this immoral war. Contrary to his current ad, McCain loves war. And we'll have a war with Iran if he somehow gets elected... But back to Webb. He's my first choice for VP. He and Obama are a brilliant match. But I'd be happy with any of the names I've heard tossed around. Maybe not Richardson, bless his heart - he's a lousy campaigner.
- Mecklen
June 9, 2008 at 11:58am
This was quite a puff piece. Clearly someone is quite determined to promote this guy for the ticket. By the way, exactly how anti-immigrant and anti-trade is he?
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June 9, 2008 at 11:58am
Wow, Eve, what a great piece of writing. Jim Webb comes alive through your writing. He too is a very interesting and complex person. I now see a great bond between Jim Webb and Senator Obama. Obama/Webb 2008. An unbeatable team.
- Mitchell Wolfe
June 9, 2008 at 12:28pm
Jim Webb is a nut.
- Not Jim Webb's Gun
June 9, 2008 at 12:38pm
Sound as if the the Webb promoters heaping the congrats on Eve. However he will never get by the women and latino vote, nor shoudl he.
- Dean
June 9, 2008 at 12:40pm
I was just thinking the other day: You know who Obama needs on the ticket? Someone with a history of anti-woman statements and a really thin Senate record.
- jaltcoh.blogspot.com
June 9, 2008 at 12:51pm
Several weeks ago I emailed Senator Webb that I will immediately endorse him and work for him in Alaska. He is the perfect choice for Vice President. As for carrying a weapon on the Hill, decades ago I regularly carried a pistol to and from the Senate Office Buildings, after an Alaskan official was mugged at night just off the grounds. I do not want the Hill to be a safe workplace for burglars, robbers, and rapists.
- Barry W. Jackson
June 9, 2008 at 12:57pm
I love that people claim to find it remarkable that Webb didn't Sumnerize Warner right there on the Senate floor. It's as if they're determined to confirm what Webb describes in the quoted passage: disdain based in fear. Webb's right, of course, about African-American and Scots-Irish-American commonality of interest. To state the obvious, it's Obama's Harvard Law side, not his South Side, er, side that turns off us bitter, clinging types.
- C Smith
June 9, 2008 at 1:11pm
Helping a student and looking up something specific about the Ten Commandments on the Internet, I came across one website that proved to be virulently anti-Semitic and anti-Israel - a kind of Aryan Nations “Lite”. But what was even more shocking was that in the right hand margin of the page, where all the advertisements were placed was a Jim Webb for Senate ad.
- Lowell Blackman
June 9, 2008 at 1:14pm
...Should Jim Webb be Barack Obama's VP?... Yes.
- basman
June 9, 2008 at 1:16pm
I knew Jim Webb well before he became famous for writing the classic Vietnam novel, "Fields of Fire." Back in the Seventies Jim was working for the House Veteran Affairs Committee while I worked for a Member of Congress from North Carolina. He and I had a mutual friend and, as a result, I got to know Jim and thought highly of him. Never did I detect that he had a chip on his shoulder or that he had anything less than an even temperament. He was always congenial and in good spirits. I applaud his achievements. Bob Auman, Raleigh
- Bob Auman
June 9, 2008 at 1:24pm
I hope Webb has the good sense not to be lured into a VP run. Being a legislator suits him temperamentally, and he promises to grow into the Moynihan the Senate has lacked since 2000. Webb and Mark Warner are probably the only two Democrats who can hang onto the state's two Senate seats; that alone should remove them from VP consideration.
- allbetsareoff
June 9, 2008 at 1:33pm
I hope Webb has the good sense not to be lured into a VP run. Being a legislator suits him temperamentally, and he promises to grow into the Moynihan the Senate has lacked since 2000. Webb and Mark Warner are probably the only two Democrats who can hang onto the state's two Senate seats; that alone should remove them from VP consideration.
- allbetsareoff
June 9, 2008 at 1:33pm
I like Jim Webb, contributed $750.00 to his campaign (best money I ever spent!), but, LEAVE HIM IN THE SENATE. We have too few guarentees in November and we need every Dem we have. I know we're expected to pick up Senate seats (like Udall out here in NM), but we still need as many as we can get.
- phoebes in santa fe
June 9, 2008 at 2:05pm
Oh, and one other thing: if Obama would pick a running mate who's currently in a crucial Senate seat, that would be great too. ........ For Republicans.
- jaltcoh.blogspot.com
June 9, 2008 at 2:43pm
He' allowed to be bad tempered. No one will take that against HIM. Huffington, Dowd, Noonan (maybe) will praise him.
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June 9, 2008 at 2:59pm
So far, no one has addressed the substance of Webb or his books. Except maybe me. What gives? Is he just another cipher to y'all? I guess so. We are doomed - doomed. We have forgotten everything about who we are.
- John Marshall
June 9, 2008 at 3:26pm
Jim Webb has a history of sexist statements that will only further enrage the feminists inside the Democratic party. That this turncoat republican could conceiveably lie down with the Obama shows you how incredibly opportunistic and venial both these politicans are.
- Pete Kent
June 9, 2008 at 3:28pm
It looks like this nut is both a racist of the classical Southern style and a standard redneck mysoginist. He would be a fine complement to a Malocolm X political descendent.
- Jacob
June 9, 2008 at 3:36pm
You must feel so good about yourself being so opened minded.
- cramos
June 9, 2008 at 3:38pm
Good, informative article with insight -- especially, on the how he doesn't fit today's stereotypical mold of Democrat. I've followed the election primary very closely, but I'm new to understanding Jim Webb and all this hype/buzz around him as a VP pick. I've only seen him on cable plugging his book and in a Dem response to State of the Union address (?) He looks like a good asset to the Democratic party. I didn't realize that he had a rep (deservedly or otherwise) for being hot-tempted; however, I find interesting your blurb on how this Irish-Scot didn't have any special advantage in cracking through the Irish-Scot Appalachian vote bloc based on his election. It doesn't seem like Obama can pick a VP who provides a 'magic bullet' to effectively conquer in his working class 'bitter battle'. It doesn't sound truly achievable but pairing Webb with Obama really makes sense to me in terms of balance. Again, this was a very good read.
- Erik T
June 9, 2008 at 3:47pm
Webb is revered by Marines as a warrior and as a poet of the Marine sensibility (I am a former Marine). His move to the Democratic party can be seen as a manifestation of his contrarianism and skepticism. He is right to object to politicization of service. Servicemen are not universally heroic, and service is not a prerequisite for effective leadership (I do not recall either Lincoln's or FDR's great wartime military service that would have informed their presidential leadership). Do not, however, equate the Bush administration and Republican elites with republicanism or conservatism, generally. Elites are elites and party is second, if then. Webb is a good man who is right to apply scrutiny to the Bush administration, its coterie, and to the continuation of Desert Storm into the present. Don't expect him to be stifle himself when it is the Democrat's turn in 2009.
- Dave Foster
June 9, 2008 at 3:53pm
Yanno, Eve, I can't be the only person getting a little sick of the "Democrat-as-elitist" passion play. The media seem to have hitched their wagon to this casting of Democrats as people who have a stigma to overcome. At some point you guys are going to have to choose between two competing messages. A college education and a relative amount of financial success cannot be both the target and the sin of the American dream. Besides, how hypocritical of the media to push this "effeite, wine-sipping," stereotype. Is there a group of people MORE obsessed with Ivy league credentials?
- David Scoven
June 9, 2008 at 4:08pm
[Finally, a non-blog tnr.com with a working comments section!] Eve, you buried the lede. While it's nice to see my party finally trying to move in the direction of recognizing working families' unique needs, but this sentence in the penultimate paragraph sums up our party's problem nicely: "While you'd expect Webb to attract poor, rural beer-trackers, in his 2006 Senate race he didn't do any better than the previous Democratic candidate had among Appalachian voters in southwestern Virginia; instead, he was propelled to victory by Northern Virginia suburbanites--Obama's base...." [insert white space here] Lefty bloggers and their fans may derive a little frisson every time time Webb blows his stack, but ordinary voters want to see results. In their governmental careers Webb and Obama haven't delivered anything of substance for US working families, hence the lack of enthusiasm on the part of working-class voters for these two.
- teplukhin2you
June 9, 2008 at 4:51pm
Webb ran at the right time- the voters wanted to punish the Bush administration for Iraq but wanted a "certain kind" of Democrat. Many of the seats the Dems picked up in 2006 were of the Webb mold- conservative on some issues, with strong credibility on national defense and fiscal conservativism. Many of these candidates would never have been selected (or even considered) by the party except for the long years in the wilderness during the Bush (and latter Clinton years). While all the polls show Dems in the best possible shape- take a good look at the Dem candidates that are winning. They aren't like Obama at all (who is a conventional leftist in terms of voting history and policies). Obama may need someone like Webb, but I'm not sure Webb himself stands up to scrutiny. Another multi-millionaire pretending to be a populist? A man of a certain age who appears be unnaturally young-looking (down to what appears to be a bad hair dye job). Don't think that sells in Youngstown. Also hurts that he was ineffective when he was in administration, and was essentially pushed out, only to become a turncoat- nice. Overall he is not presidential material- just another angry Senatorial clown Yes- Obama does need Virginia, but he and Webb aren't going to win over Latinos in Colorado, NM or Nevada. Richardson would help out West and with Latinos. Other former Hillary loyalists like Bayh and Vilsack would help more in the Midwest and rust belt (and unlike Webb, have successful track records and proven accomplishments in administration roles) With Webb the Dems would make the same mistake they made with Kerry (picking a guy just because he has military experience). This strategy failed in 2004, but worked for the Dems in 2006 only because the electorate was angry with Bush. Bush is gone. Obama's nomination for 2008 has shown the Dems can move past the military fixation- don't get sucked back into it. To Dems, anyone with military experience is good. To voters at large there is a difference between how McCain treated men of lower rank in situations of personal risk and how Webb treated the aide that carried his gun. Enough said
- guydreaux
June 9, 2008 at 6:00pm
Jim Webb is John McCain's worst nightmare as a VP choice. With him, Obama offers the voters "McCain Plus" in the #2 slot: he's younger, smarter, more accomplished, more of a maverick, and every bit as heroic as McCain. Based on the lessons he learned as a Marine platoon leader in Vietnam, he was thoughtfully but forcefully opposed to invading Iraq from day one. Though a hero as a POW (the entire basis of his political career), McCain has no "boots on the ground" combat or leadership experience. His poor judgement on Iraq reflects this, and the comparison with Webb helps bring this into clear perspective. All of the missiles that McCain would hope to hurl against Obama based on his service and experience are trumped by Webb's stronger background on both. And Webb's bootstrap over-achiever record at Annapolis, in the Marines, as a writer, and as a Senate candidate make McCain's underachieving record of progress through favoritism, connections, and money (Admiral Daddy/Grand-Daddy and beer-heiress wife)seem pretty weak by comparison. John McCain should be praying Obama picks someone else, because if you can get a "Better John McCain" and Obama too, what's to choose ?
- Austin Ligon
June 9, 2008 at 6:53pm
Well written article. I think Webb would make for a compelling ticket, and provide a high bar for McCain in choosing his VP nominee.
- vincenzo
June 9, 2008 at 7:20pm
"he didn't do any better than the previous Democratic candidate had among Appalachian voters in southwestern Virginia" How well did the previous Democrat do in SW VA? Was it average or not for Dems in VA?
- Owen
June 9, 2008 at 8:12pm
I know the Democrats are desperate for some kind of "military cred", but they should be very careful about hitching their wagon to Jim Webb. No one should ever forget that he was trailing George Allen by FOURTEEN points before the "macaca" incident, and still only managed to squeak out a victory of a few thousand votes. The man is an unstable buffoon who got extremely lucky.
- Joe
June 9, 2008 at 9:52pm
A high percentage of my ancestors were Scots-Irish, and I grew up in the South, but I don't share Webb's romantic vision of them--a romanticism first propounded by Walter Scott and hilariously mocked by Mark Twain in his Shepperfield v. Grangerford chapters of Huckleberry Finn. In my experience, there's a depressing conformity and group-think to white Southerners, a nostalgia for the Confederacy that conceals an ignorance of class issues and the ways both blacks and poor white were exploited by the upper class of plantation owners. George Wallace was no William Wallace. He too, was an opportunist; when he was first defeated in his run for office (I have a childhood memory of billboards proclaiming him "The Fighting Judge"), he vowed he'd never be "outsegged" again, and he became notorious, an embarrassment to his home state, and eventually, perhaps, regretful about the hatred he stirred up. Do Webb and others know about the white rebels of northern Alabama who refused to fight in what they called "a rich man's war" and who hid out in the hills when Confederate conscriptors came? That's the Southern history that people need to know. It was, by the way, the Highlanders whom Scott romanticized. Lowland Scots, like my Hamilton ancestors, were more civilized. In fact, I found out (via the Hamilton DNA project) that they were Normans, not Celts. The reference to tattoos suggests Picts, not Celts. Nonetheless, I like Webb, except for his sexism, which I hope he's overcome. He does make a good foil to Obama, except that the Democrats would probably lose that VA senate seat. How about a Westerner for the VP slot? Obama has done well in the West, and Western truck drivers really do drink espresso and lattes.
- Hamilton
June 10, 2008 at 12:13am
Wow. I'm actually pretty shocked by the anti-Webb stuff I'm reading in the comments. A lot of commentors (sic) seem to still maintain Webb is some hick racist; have any of you read the article? He seems to me to be an extremely complex individual, with a very nuanced view of his own identity, and those of others, including blacks, Jews etc. In reference to his VP possibility, its hard to say no to it, especially in this election. Its a match made in heaven. I do admit that his 30 year old comments about women in the military could cause some trouble, with Hillary's women voters, and he indeed, is an asset in the Senate. One other major advantage about Webb though, not mentioned nearly enough, is that he has already been thoroughly vetted. Many observers called his 2006 senate race against George Allen as one of the most intense, more like a presidential race. Anything Allen's campaign could dig up on Webb, they did (including his women comments). He's already been swiftboated, with that absurd attack on his novels. So he's been vetted. fseidle--yes, you can read the speech he gave on this site: http://www.jameswebb.com/speeches/6-3-90-confedmemorial.htm It once again highlights his nuance, and great writing skills. It also speaks to a familiar theme of his: that different men fight the wars of people in power. He spoke about this in relation to the Iraq War as well. I'm a pretty big fan of Webb, but Eve's last point is a really, really perceptive one: at the end, they'll both end up appealing to "wine-track" Democrats. The question is whether the appeal will expand.
- jyunis
June 10, 2008 at 12:39am
Only among devotees of the New Republic such tripe pass for an insightful article. Manipulative, condescending, prissy. Just what Obama ordered.
- fred gill
June 10, 2008 at 2:25am
How quickly we forget, how we long to revise history. Here we see Sen. Webb being touted as a prospective Democratic V.P. candidate. I can clearly remember at the height of the Vietnam war, the late sixties, Democrats protesters would spit on U.S. Marines such as Lt. Webb. I also seem to recall that American servicemen such as Lt. Webb, (combat infantrymen) were labeled "Baby Killers." From "Baby Killer" to possible V.P. candidate, isn't American wonderful!
- Foil
June 10, 2008 at 4:11am
For all those branding him a racist and sexist, can you give specific examples, quotes?
- Miss M
June 10, 2008 at 10:55am
Foil: This is urban myth! I was in a hotspot of the anti-war movement, Madison, WI, and we college protestors never did any spitting, nor did we use (or I ever hear) anything about "baby killers." (I suspect such myths were first articulated in the film "Born on the 4th of July.") What I remember clearly about our protests was the inclusion of Vietnam Veterans Against the War--a regular and much-appreciated presence at large demonstrations.
- Hamilton
June 10, 2008 at 6:03pm
An Obama-Webb ticket would be a great help in setting up a Hillary- nomination. . . . The day of the ex Vietnam junior officer (JO), like the ex marine Webb, is, or should be, over. It's tiresome to see the ex 1st Lts and Ltjgs being rolled out as new Major General George Washington, General U.S. Grant, Admiral
Farragut, Admiral of the Fleet King, or General of the Army Dwight Eisenhower (or a combination of all, and more). A pathetic war (Vietnam) that has led, among so much else, to the misery of ex JOs later becoming grandiose ‘war-hero’ politicians. And now
they're getting way "too long in the tooth" for it. I don't know which is worse, the fictional character Rambo, or these guys. . . . Webb is both a creature of, and a persona developed by, the Department of Defense, and whatever other elements of the American
government (since at least 1978 when his first novel, , with the foundations of his first "rednecks" rubbish, was hawked at military bases, world-wide (I bought my copy at the navy exchange in Yokosuka). The Scots-Irish (A.K.A.
Scotch-Irish) are an interesting phenomena in the American government’s formation of a “More Perfect Union,” post-1965. Pre-1970, then these people mostly identified themselves as “Caucasian” or “White Anglo-Saxon Protestant,” and were among the
“real Americans” who were taught to deride the “hyphenated American” ethnics in the 1920s and 1930s. The Scots-Irish are the only ethinic whites of the new “white” super-ethnic group to have been reborn, at least unofficially, as a white ethnic group since all of the other white ethnics have been made simply “white,” post-1970. One aspect of Webb’s rhetoric (his “Born Fighting”) is no doubt to form (I would say “malform”) the so-called “Scots-Irish” in America in a manner similar to the British formation of colonial peoples in a “warrior ethic.” And all of those in the American military are now, in our new era, “warriors.” The Empire of Japan did the same in its formation of conscripted Japanese peasants into the new imperial army as “Samurai
Warriors,” circa 1880-1945. The British liked to use other people’s “warriors,” since Britain was never a martial country, until the late Victorian era through to the end of World War II (when the average Brits, sensibly, lost his and her taste for it). British taste for guns and bugles was developed via the mass-communications media, 1865-97 and came to fruition, circa 1897-1945. The Japanese used their own people from the very beginning (with the aid of British and Dutch advisers). The new Samurai code applied to the conscripts would have been an absurdity prior to the Meji restoration, although,
primarily prior to the ‘Military Revolution,’ circa 1859-71: STEEL, mass produced, and the weapons derived with it, is what allowed countless 4’8”-5’4” runts to be conscripted, armed, drilled, disciplined and indoctrinated into believing themselves to be the
descendants of the Samurai, rendered “redundant” by the new technology). American women are on the verge of a similar “advance,” and for the same reason, technological developments, now in the 21st century (“lucky” them). . . . Ultimately Webb’s historical
synthesis about the blacks and the Scots-Irish, is aimed at the two ethnic groups that were last large American rural populations to be urbanized, and the one most commonly, and widely, used (when the Scots-Irish were taught to call themselves “Caucasians” or
“WASPs,” and to think of themselves as “real Americans”) against both other white ethnic groups, especially the Catholics (to encourage them to “Americanize”) and blacks (to keep them in their place, in the rural south and new black neighborhoods of the industrial north). Both the blacks and new-born “Scots-Irish” were fully urbanized by about 1980: Hence the lower numbers relative to other ethnic American groups where
higher education and job training are concerned. Rural people are not stupid at all. There was simply less need for advanced education. Neither were they as sexually promiscuous and debauched as Webb’s rhetoric infers (or as his own shabby personal life might seem to indicate). Unfortunately, promiscuous and debauched, like Webb, is the new generation of one-time “Caucasians” and "WASPs," like all Americans in general, the re-eduation, accelerating, post-1972 onward. Anyway, Obama-Webb will be a loosing ticket for numerous reasons, not the least of which is the youth of the millennium generation. It will, however, as Obama's star fades in the next six weeks, make a ticket of Hillary Clinton and a retired flag or general officer with a genuinely distinguished military record (and long-term stable marriage to one woman, rather than a mostly shabby private life with multiple wives, like Webb) look
awfully enticing in Denver, and to the independents that Hillary could never win on her own, as McCain’s star starts to fade in the weeks after September 1.. Obama and Webb will be useful in the Presidential election by campaigning among their respective
voter-bloc niches.
- p.
June 11, 2008 at 3:56am
Webb’s historical synthesis about the blacks and the Scots-Irish will also be useful in dealing with the Needs-to-be-urbanized and Americanized super-ethnic group: The millions of “Hispanics” from Mexico and Central and South American countries. The last two large American ethnic groups to be urbanized can be used to do the same with the new most rural population of immigrants from south of the Rio Grande River. Of course, Cross Burning won’t be part of it (I can’t imagine many in the new super-ethnic group, “African Americans,” taking to it, as sometimes, a large number of the ex "Caucasian”-"WASP,” now “Scots-Irish” Whites, did. Still, blacks being human, some kind of equivalent in a "African American"-"Scots-Irish" bloc will no doubt be possible. We’ll see what can be come up with via the new religions and new super-ethnic groups in our violent, highly divisive, and endless crises, trudge toward the so-called “More Perfect Union.” The new Labor organizing movements (to secure gains or achieve them?) are clearly another tactic from the past being used where the working class elements of these super-ethnic groups are concerned. Webb has laid groudwork on some of this, via the rhetoric in his political campaigns. He's joined (effort wise) by the newly reformed Marxian movements, anti-illegal alien, and pro-"immigration" movements, among others.
- p.
June 11, 2008 at 4:24am
Eve: Thank you ... I love reading pieces like this that give me a whole new way to look at an individual and at some of the forces that play out in politics. What you say makes perfect sense to me, and I think it probably captures the complexity of someone like Jim Webb who doesn't seem to fit easily into any 2-dimensional, sound-bite driven little box. None of us do, but that doesn't stop most "pundits" from trying. It's refreshing to read something like this that really looks at a whole person in a larger context - and provides a much more useful way to predict how he might choose to govern.
- Suzie Kidder
June 11, 2008 at 11:00am
If you want to know what kind of man Jim Webb really is, ask the women he's been married to. Don't trust the editorials and articles, no matter how well-written.
- Vallie
June 12, 2008 at 9:10am
If you want to know the kind of man Jim Webb really is, someone should interview the people he's been married to. I wouldn't trust editorials or magazine articles, no matter how well-written or compelling.
- Valerie
June 12, 2008 at 9:18am
Austin: Good to see your byline over these astute observations. I think you've nailed it.
- Peter Storandt
June 12, 2008 at 9:50am
Eve, Insightful writing about a guy I've watched since he announced for Senate but never really understood until now. If we sit around waiting for Webb to blow, we'll miss his real character traits.
- Peter Storandt
June 12, 2008 at 9:55am
We should be glad to have Jim Webb as a Dem Senator, althogh not as a VP candidate. Barack needs a more experienced man, a Biden or a Kerry as his wingman. Webb would be an excellent majority whip for a majority leader Clinton or Dodd (anybody but Harry Reid). A red-haired fighter from the Appalachia is exactly what the testicular-challenged Senate Dems need if they are ever going to change anything. As far as the negative comments against Webb posted here, imagine this if you will: it's early 2006: Instead of putting up the Reagan Democrat Webb against Senator Maccaca, the Dems put up the usual effite liberal in the southern state (i.e. Harold Ickes in N.C>); Maccaca wins by 15 pts; the GOP still controls the Senate and Alberto Gonzales is still AG; the nightmare just continues. Now even worse, Sen maccaca is the darling of both the religious right and the business conservatives, crushing most of the weak '08 GOP field. Sen Maccaca cruises through the nomination process with corporate money and an army of white southern evangelicals. Rather than a dottering old man reading canned lines off a teleprompter, the GOP puts forth another southern good-ole boy Governor who never would be where he is if it weren't for his daddy. Forget the Dems picking up VA, MO, OH, or CO, regardless whom the nominate. Regardless of the condidtions in the conuntry, the NASCAR turn out for Maccaca b/c "they want to have a beer with him", and the energized evangelicals again vote in record numbers b/c they can just see Roe v. Wade overturned in 2010 when Stevens dies. The 3rd bush term would be staring the country in the face. Thanks Jim Webb for defeating George "maccaca" Allen and helping create the opportunity the Dems have this year.
- DVSDen
June 12, 2008 at 6:56pm
We should be glad to have Jim Webb as a Dem Senator, althogh not as a VP candidate. Barack needs a more experienced man, a Biden or a Kerry as his wingman. Webb would be an excellent majority whip for a majority leader Clinton or Dodd (anybody but Harry Reid). A red-haired fighter from the Appalachia is exactly what the testicular-challenged Senate Dems need if they are ever going to change anything. As far as the negative comments against Webb posted here, imagine this if you will: it's early 2006: Instead of putting up the Reagan Democrat Webb against Senator Maccaca, the Dems put up the usual effete liberal in the southern state (i.e. Harold Ickes in N.C>); Maccaca wins by 15 pts; the GOP still controls the Senate and Alberto Gonzales is still AG; the nightmare just continues. Now even worse, Sen maccaca is the darling of both the religious right and the business conservatives, crushing most of the weak '08 GOP field. Sen Maccaca cruises through the nomination process with corporate money and an army of white southern evangelicals. Rather than a dottering old man reading canned lines off a teleprompter, the GOP puts forth another southern good-ole boy Governor who never would be where he is if it weren't for his daddy. Forget the Dems picking up VA, MO, OH, or CO, regardless whom they nominate. Regardless of the conditions in the country, the NASCAR turn out for Maccaca b/c "they want to have a beer with him", and the energized evangelicals again vote in record numbers b/c they can just see Roe v. Wade overturned in 2010 when Stevens dies. The 3rd bush term would be staring the country in the face. Thanks Jim Webb for defeating George "maccaca" Allen and helping create the opportunity the Dems have this year.
- Dennis Smith
June 12, 2008 at 7:13pm
Proud to be a Scot is not the same as Proud to be white.
- Ken Davey
June 12, 2008 at 11:06pm
This was a fascinating analysis, Eve. Give us more!
- Benjamin
July 7, 2008 at 12:39am