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JANUARY 26, 2008

Obama Will Over-perform Among Black Voters--trust Me

Mark Blumenthal picks up on something interesting in the South Carolina polls:

[Obama] leads Clinton by an average of 17 points on the IVR [i.e., automated] polls (44% to 27%, with 19% for Edwards), but by only 9 points on the interviewer surveys (37% to 28%, with 17% for Edwards).

Then, while discussing the Bradley Effect--in which some white voters tell pollsters they're going to vote for a black candidate but don't--he offers the following explanation:

One thing to note is that the so-called "Bradley/Wilder effect" ... assumes that respondents alter or hide their preferences to avoid a sense of "social discomfort" with the interviewer. Without an interviewer, there should be little or no effect. 

Put these two things together, and I think we have a possible test for my reverse Bradley-Effect hypothesis, which is that "some black voters would tell pollsters they support Hillary (or that they're undecided) because they don't want to sound like they're voting mainly out of racial solidarity, even though they actually intend to vote for Obama." The result of this would be that "polling understated support for the black candidate in a primary with a large African American population (i.e., Obama in South Carolina)."

If Obama consistently did better among black voters in automated polls, which eliminate the "social discomfort" that might discourage them from telling (presumably white) interviewers they support him, we'd have evidence for this hypothesis.

So what do the polls say? They say I might be onto something:

In the three most recent automated polls in South Carolina (PPP, SurveyUSA, and Rasmussen), Obama takes 67, 73, and 68 percent of the black vote, while Hillary takes 13, 18, and 16. In the three most recent live-interviewer polls (Zogby, Mason-Dixon, and ARG), Obama takes 55, 59, and 61 percent of black voters, while Hillary takes 18, 25, and 25.

So, among black voters, that's an average lead of 69-16 for Obama in automated polls, but only 58-23 in live-interviewer polls--a huge difference (53-point lead in the former; 35-point lead in the latter). It's not exactly definitive--I'm only using three data points in each case, and there are other methodological differences between the polls--but it does strongly suggest that some black voters are reluctant to tell human pollsters they support Obama, but feel comfortable saying it to a machine.

Anyway, we'll know soon enough. If Obama's final showing among blacks is 70 percent or more, both the robocallers and I will have something to crow about...

Update: Mickey Kaus speculates that voters might be inclined to lie to machines, contra Blumenthal's point above. It's plausible. But his theory doesn't explain the sharp divergence we see in South Carolina.

There are two possible scenarios that follow from Mickey's point. 1.) Black voters are lying both to humans and machines, in which case we'd need some theory to explain why they're lying to humans in such a way that lowers support for Obama, and to machines in such a way that raises it. 2.) Black voters are lying to machines and telling humans the truth, in which case we'd need some theory about why they're more inclined to be honest with a human, and why they'd overstate their support for Obama to a machine.

My hypothesis has the benefit of pleasing Mr. Occam, but I'm keeping an open mind...

Update II: Commenter lymonl makes a great point:

But aren't the exit polls all done by human beings, not machines?  How will you know how African-Americans really voted if they tell you on the way out that they voted for Clinton?  You wouldn't be able to attribute the entire disparity (heavier vote total for Obama than the exit polls indicated) because whites may have lied to exit pollsters too.  

Yes, the exits should be screwy, too. Though probably less screwy than the other polls, since people would have to lie more brazenly (about something they just did, not something they may or may not do in the future). Mickey says one way around this would be to examine precinct-by-precinct results. I agree. They should give us a better feel for the racial split since South Carolina's pretty segregated geographically. 

--Noam Scheiber

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What's odd is that Obama is also doing poorer among whites in the interviewer polls. Not sure what's up with that. It was an interviewer poll that gave him 10% among whites, which the pundits keep bandying about, even though most of the more recent automated polls put him between 19 and 22 %

- miceelf

January 26, 2008 at 12:22pm

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But aren't the exit polls all done by human beings, not machines?  How will you know how African-Americans really voted if they tell you on the way out that they voted for Clinton?  You wouldn't be able to attribute the entire disparity (heavier vote total for Obama than the exit polls indicated) because whites may have lied to exit pollsters too.  

One question on the automated polls: do they quantify for race and unlisted phone numbers?  

- Lymon1

January 26, 2008 at 12:31pm

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I don't trust poll data from the South. Traditionally minded people, especially older people, believe "there are some things we don't talk about in public," politics topping the list - especially political views counter to the group norm. This is why you're seeing the high undecided number in SC polls; 30some percent saying they're undecided on the eve of an election is not unusual in the South. It's not true, of course. Faux-undecided whites usually break to the candidate perceived to be the most conservative or "responsible," which in this case means Edwards.

If there's sizeable white independent turnout, don't be surprised to see a result something like 37% Obama, 35% Edwards - or vice versa - and 28% Clinton. (The thunderous response to Edwards' "quit yer feudin' " interjection in the Myrtle Beach debate supports this scenario.) If white indies stay home, Obama rises to the 40s, Clinton to the low 30s, and Edwards sinks to the low 20s.

- cbustard

January 26, 2008 at 1:17pm

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One other quick thought about the South Carolina polling: Depending on which poll you consult, there

- Anonymous

January 26, 2008 at 2:08pm

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Mark Blumenthal makes a great point about exit polls in response to concerns raised by Mickey Kaus and

- Anonymous

January 26, 2008 at 5:58pm

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According to Fox, via Halperin --Obama's getting about 80 percent of the black vote (and a not too

- Anonymous

January 26, 2008 at 6:51pm

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What you need to know about tonight's results: 1.) Obama took over 80 percent of the black vote,

- Anonymous

January 26, 2008 at 11:48pm

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One thing to keep in mind as you peruse those latest Wisconsin and (especially) Ohio and Texas polls

- Anonymous

February 15, 2008 at 4:39pm

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Dan Drezner thinks so . If he's right, maybe I can shake down some promising candidate in 2012..

- Anonymous

March 7, 2008 at 12:13pm

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The Pew Research Center has an interesting piece up on the "Reverse Bradley Effect" I've

- Anonymous

April 1, 2008 at 3:32pm

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