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Go Home Arguing Iraq—Ten Years Later

Ten years ago this week, the U.S. began its invasion of Iraq, ostensibly in search of "weapons of mass destruction." Today, the American war in Iraq is over, but the argument about it still hovers over our foreign policy. We asked eight writers—some of whom supported the war, others who opposed it—to reflect on what the past decade has meant.

MICHAEL IGNATIEFF: "For all the talk about futility and perversity in interventions, it is well to remember that not all of them have failed." 

Even those who initially supported the war now reluctantly accept that the consequences of invading Iraq were perverse and that attempts to replace tyranny with political order there have been futile. President Obama has taken the lessons of futility and perversity to heart and they may be shaping his overriding policy ambition—to end his second term with no American combat troops in harm's way anywhere in the world. This would certainly be a popular presidential legacy in a country that feels the fiscal reality of imperial overstretch more deeply than at any time in its recent history.

The problem with the lessons of the past is that they can be true and still not offer a reliable guide to the future. The question that hovers over the tenth anniversary of the ill-fated invasion of Iraq is whether the lessons of perversity and futility learned there are the right guides for U.S. policy next door. Both Iraq and Syria are a fissile mixture of ethnicities and religions thrown together after Versailles by departing French and British imperialists and only kept together by Baathist tyranny and violence. Now, 80 years later, both of them are coming apart, Syria in a bloody uprising against the last remaining Baathist tyrant, Iraq in a slow motion civil war among Kurds, Shia, and Sunnis. No one can predict whether either state will survive as a state or fragment into ethnic enclaves, but if they do fragment, the Middle East as a whole is bound to be a different—and less stable—neighborhood. The U.S. has an interest in stability, but the failures in Iraq seem to counsel against trying to create order in Syria. Certainly, if a ground invasion and combat troops failed in Iraq, they will fail in Syria. Departing Defense Secretary Gates was surely right that no president in his right mind will ever want to commit ground troops to the Middle East again.

But does this exhaust the lessons that Iraq holds for Syria? Has American policy become so risk averse that no action in Syria is possible? It is one thing to take futility and perversity to heart, another to conclude that doing the least you can is the only safe option. And there are robust things that can be done, even when we acknowledge the weaknesses of the Syrian opposition, the risk of inadvertently aiding Islamist combat units, and the likelihood that anything America does now is unlikely to give it much influence over the Syria that emerges after Assad’s last stand. Actively helping the exhausted municipal councils in the free zones of Syria to keep the lights on, feed their people, repair infrastructure and get economic activity moving again are all actions that would speed the desired end. Since there is a NATO ally on Syria’s border, delivering aid to the insurgents’ hinterland is feasible. Telling Assad that if he uses Scuds, helicopter gunships, and jets to bomb his own people, they will be shot down by the Patriot batteries is a risk-filled step and will be opposed by the Russians, but are no risks ever to be taken? Should the U.S. stand by until the regime and the opposition are fighting it out house-to-house in Damascus? What exactly does the U.S. gain by standing by as the Syrian people are pulverized from the air? For all the talk about futility and perversity in interventions, it is well to remember that not all of them have failed. No one is dying in Bosnia.

Michael Ignatieff teaches at the Munk School of Global Affairs, University of Toronto and the Harvard Kennedy School.

ANNE-MARIE SLAUGHTER: "If I could re-roll the film, I would stop the invasion."

Ten years ago, the day after the U.S. invaded Iraq, I published an op-ed in The New York Times with the completely inaccurate headline: “Good Reasons for Going Around the U.N.” I did not think that the U.S. had good reasons for going around the U.N.; indeed, I was politically naïve enough to believe right down to the last minute that the Bush administration would not act without U.N. approval. Once the invasion was underway, however, I argued that although illegal, it could still be made legitimate if: 1) U.S. troops found weapons of mass destruction; 2) the Iraqi people greeted the troops as liberators; and 3) the U.S. then went back to the U.N. Security Council and sought a post-hoc approval of the action by majority vote, as NATO did after the intervention in Kosovo.  

None of these three conditions were met; the Iraq war is thus both illegal and illegitimate in the eyes of the vast majority of nations. Looking back, it is hard to remember just how convinced many of us were that weapons of mass destruction would be found. Had I not believed that, I would never have countenanced any kind of intervention on purely humanitarian terms. Many dictators brutalize their populations; they have to conduct the equivalent of active war against their own citizens to reach the threshold of the responsibility to protect doctrine. Nor is it permissible to use military force to establish a democracy, even assuming such an outcome were likely or even possible. But if you did think that Saddam Hussein had an illegal WMD program, then the terror and torture that many Iraqi civilians suffered served as an additional justification for using force.

I now see the decision to invade Iraq as cynical, tragic, immoral, and irresponsible to the point of folly. I do not think that the thousands of U.S. and allied lives lost were lost in vain: Only time can tell what Iraq will become; how the Iraqi people will look back on the toppling of Saddam Hussein and the ensuing ten years of violence; and what role Iraq will play in the larger Middle East. It is very difficult to imagine any transition from Saddam to post-Saddam without some violence and political upheaval in a nation as fractured religiously and ethnically as Iraq. But in hindsight, the U.S. decision to spend tens of billions of U.S. dollars; to ignore all knowledge, planning, and expertise about Iraq with regard to what should happen when the bullets stopped flying; and to ignore the opposition of many of our closest allies in deciding when and how to take action is virtually indefensible. And I could not in good conscience look an Iraqi widow, parent, or child in the eye and tell them that the tens of thousands of Iraqi lives lost served a larger purpose, which is a burden that every American who did not actively demonstrate against the war must carry. 

In the end, Iraq served as my political coming of age in the way that the Vietnam was a coming of age for the generation ten to fifteen years ahead of me. Never again will I trust a single government’s interpretation of data when lives are at stake, perhaps especially my own government. And I will not support the international use of force in a war of choice rather than necessity without the approval of some multilateral body, one that includes countries that are directly affected by both the circumstances in the target country and by the planned intervention. If the situation on the ground in a country is not bad enough to mobilize at least some of its neighbors to action, then it should not mobilize far away military powers.

Iraq remains a country in pain. The United States will be paying its financial and human debts from the Iraq war for decades to come. If I could re-roll the film, I would stop the invasion. Instead we should mark a sober anniversary by reflecting on all that the U.S., its allies, and the Iraqis have lost. We can only hope we have gained a lesson in humility.

Anne-Marie Slaughter is a professor of politics and international affairs at Princeton University. She was previously the director of policy planning for the U.S. State Department.

LEON WIESELTIER: "Cursing George W. Bush is not a strategy."

The Iraq war began wrongly and ended rightly. (The Afghan war began rightly and will end wrongly.) Those of us who supported the Iraq war ten years ago because we believed that Saddam Hussein—who had already used chemical weapons—possessed weapons of mass destruction must forever ponder the fact that he did not possess them. That we joined, or helped to establish, a near-universal consensus does not exonerate us from the unpleasant truth that President Bush took the United States into a major war on fraudulent grounds. Consensus, like dissent, requires evidence; there is no truth in numbers. Then the war started growing rationales. It was only after no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq that the invasion of Iraq came to be justified as a war of democratization. 

But here is where things get complicated. In its effects upon Iraq, it was a war of democratization. Let us be, then, empirical. A vicious and unscrupulous dictator—whose much-vaunted “secularism” would hardly have prevented him from forming all sorts of alliances with jihadists and terrorists—was overthrown. Institutions of representative government were established. Elections were held. There is a sense in which the emancipation of Iraq from Saddam Hussein was the pre-history of the Arab Spring, though it would be crazy to conclude that war should be our preferred instrument of democratization.  

Of course I do not mean to idealize the present situation in Iraq. Ethnic and confessional conflict sharpens by the day; there is an increase in sectarian violence; Maliki is behaving like a Shia autocrat. But here is where things get still more complicated. When you liberate people from tyranny, or when they liberate themselves, it is the actually existing people who are liberated. They are suddenly freed for the expression of their previously suppressed identities; and those identities are often intensely tribal and religious. People are not liberalized by freedom. The overthrow of a dictator is the prelude to the establishment of democracy, not the establishment of democracy itself. The new conditions of liberty attract the enemies of democracy as well, who see an opening in the confusion, and in the lack of the society’s preparedness for democratic structures. While the end of a dictator may be beautiful, the social and political realities that are revealed by the opening in his absence may be ugly. 

So the work of democratization does not end with the attainment of freedom. Quite the contrary. That is when it begins. The social conflicts that were unleashed by the war in Iraq—the competition for power among the Sunnis, the Shia, and the Kurds—come as no surprise to anyone with a realistic understanding of the difficulties of democratization. The argument can be made that the mess is not worth the price, that the stability of despotism—the social peace that comes with the repression of cultural difference—is preferable to the miseries of liberalization. I cannot make such an argument, for two reasons: historically, because there was no social peace under Saddam, there was only vast social pain, and because the stability of despots is always temporary, even if it feels like an eternity; and morally, because the ideal of democracy is universal or it is a sham. The people of Iraq are now experiencing their war of national identity. Many societies, including our own, have experienced such a war, which can be exceptionally savage. 

I would not have gone to war to democratize Iraq, but I hope that we do not blind ourselves to the extraordinary changes that have taken place there, and to the possibility of a decent outcome. It is an outcome upon which we might have had an influence. The important thing is that we, the United States, stay engaged: there are pluralists and democrats of all ethnicities and confessions whom we must support, not least because Iran has other plans for them, and for Iraq. But this is precisely what we are not doing. Staying engaged is not what President Obama does best. His policy toward Iraq is goodbye and good luck. But the compromised origins of the Iraq war are not all, or even most, of what we need to know about Iraq now. Cursing George W. Bush is not a strategy. The region is convulsing, and we are pivoting.

DAVID RIEFF: "Could anyone who supported this war today encounter a relative, spouse, or friend of one of the American soldiers who was killed or grievously injured in Iraq and tell them with a straight face that this war was worth their sacrifice?"

I opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning and nothing that has occurred since has caused me to alter my view. To the contrary, every claim advanced at the time to justify that evil and pointless war has since been proved to be an immoral falsehood, an exercise in wishful thinking, a textbook case of geostrategic stupidity, or some ignoble combination of the three. The Bush administration insisted there were weapons of mass destruction, but there were no weapons of mass destruction. Supporters of exporting democracy at the point of a gun, and here liberal interventionists and neoconservatives and so-called national greatness conservatives were largely singing from the same hymnbook, claimed that destroying the Baath dictatorship would usher in a democratic Middle East. Instead, we have an increasingly theocratic Shi’ite dictatorship, a sullen and resentful Sunni minority, and the Kurds who have in all but name seceded from Iraq. And geostrategists insisted that the war would deal a major blow to Iranian power in the Middle East by counter-posing a democratically inclined, Western-leaning Iraq. But Iran has been the real victor in Iraq, perhaps the only victor apart from the Kurds.

And the losers? Apart from the Sunnis, whose hegemony was shattered by the force of American arms, that would be the United States. 4,487 dead, 32,223 wounded, 20 percent of whom have catastrophic brain or spinal injuries, and this is not even counting psychological injuries. A trillion dollars spent. The systematic torture of prisoners that, as we are now learning seems to have been sanctioned at the highest levels of the chain of command in Iraq. Corruption both by U.S. uniformed personnel and contractors, which, from the report of the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, Stuart Bowen, seems to have existed to a degree unparalleled in American military history. And all this so we can have Maliki ruling Iraq instead of Saddam Hussein! Could anyone who supported this war today encounter a relative, spouse, or friend of one of the American soldiers who was killed or grievously injured in Iraq and tell them with a straight face that this war was worth their sacrifice?

Everyone who regularly takes positions on the great political and moral questions of his or her time is likely to be wrong on many occasions. To pretend otherwise is narcissistic preening pure and simple. And having been right about a specific question, no matter how momentous—as I believe those of us who opposed the war in Iraq from the start (and not, as so many did, only when it began to go badly) can legitimately claim to have been—obviously does not in any way confer some special aura of authority to one’s views on other questions. But by the same token, is it really too much to ask that those who supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq so enthusiastically at the time, and whose second thoughts have been far less fierce and full-throated than their initial enthusiasm, not deploy virtually the exact same crusading rhetoric about the necessity of the use of U.S. power in the name of overthrowing tyrants, and of America serving as an armed midwife to the birth of democracy in the Middle East, with regard to Syria as they did a decade ago with regard to Iraq?

David Rieff is writing a book on the global food crisis.

DAVID GREENBERG: "The same certainty that got us into so much trouble then is precisely what we should steer clear of now." 

Somewhere in the middle of George W. Bush’s presidency, when it became clear to almost everyone that the war was a catastrophe, a purge mentality took hold among its most strident critics. Politicians who voted for the war were deemed beyond the pale, as if this one bad call outweighed whatever good sense or courage they might have otherwise shown in their careers. As much as anything, Hillary Clinton’s vote for Bush’s October 2002 use-of-force resolution crippled her 2008 presidential bid. Columnists who cheered the invasion, meanwhile, were scorned, spoken about as if they should be denied a platform forever after because of the misjudgment. Even in recent months, it was argued that U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice shouldn’t be made secretary of state because her stance on the invasion, circa 2003, couldn’t be pinned down with sufficient precision—even as many on the left actively favored the pro-invasion Senator Chuck Hagel for defense secretary, Hagel having since recanted his support. I suppose it’s possible to repent of having been wrong, but not to repent of having been unsure. 

I opposed the invasion of Iraq at the time, and I still have contempt for the smug faith of Bush and his lieutenants who rushed to invade rather than waiting to see if the U.N. inspections would uncover the nuclear facilities that Saddam Hussein was widely, and wrongly, thought to be hiding. I recall listening ambivalently to Ted Kennedy’s stirring antiwar speech at Harvard’s Sanders Theater in October 2002. I say “ambivalently” because I shared Kennedy’s premonitory fear that Bush had already made up his mind about war, despite insisting otherwise; but I nonetheless had to admit that only the threat of armed force seemed likely to coerce Saddam into readmitting the weapons inspectors he had illegally evicted a few years earlier. Of course, it was only after Congress passed the resolution and the inspections resumed that my worst fears—that Bush had no intention of waiting out the year to eighteen months necessary to determine the truth—were confirmed.

At times I felt certain, even righteous, in my judgment, and holy in my indignation toward Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld. But in other, more pensive moments I saw that even though Bush had been recklessly unreflective and unrigorous in his consideration of the evidence, and of the risks, and of the costs of war, the decision was still a hard call.

It was a call that Americans debated heatedly in the newspapers and magazines and online for months, with strong arguments volleyed back and forth. Anyone who claims that there was “no debate” in the news media is flat wrong—probably, to be fair, misremembering; the unconscious is good at rationalizing our misjudgments or those of our fellow citizens, and who easier to blame than the amorphous “media”? It’s true that in that post-9/11 moment of national vulnerability and fear, the majority of pundits, like the majority of Americans, went along with the invasion; but there were lots of dissenters, too, whom I read attentively. And it’s true that the New York Times and other news outlets hyped some bad and misleading intelligence; but these selfsame outlets also cast doubt on many of those same claims, if not always with the same prominence. The only reason I disbelieved that “aluminum tubes” business—besides by congenitally skeptical disposition—was that independent experts were quoted in the newspaper pointedly questioning Condoleezza Rice’s statements.

Looking back after a decade, some today proffer the “lesson” that anyone of hawkish inclinations should be kept far from the reins of power. Some insist that American military interventions are bound to fail. But I suspect these aren’t really lessons we’re taking from history; they’re lessons we’re taking to history. In truth, Iraq tells us relatively little about what to do in Libya, or Syria, or Iran. Maybe we shouldn’t be taking advice from Bill Kristol and the Weekly Standard, but—truthfully—how much did you heed their advice before? What the Iraq war debacle teaches me is not that certain pundits should be read out of the profession, or errant Democrats brought to heel, or that capital-R Realism again become the order of the day. Rather it suggests that we should approach these difficult decisions with humility, patience, and rigor, bringing to light as much information as possible. The same certainty that got us into so much trouble then is precisely what we should steer clear of now.

David Greenberg, a contributing editor at The New Republic, is a professor of journalism and media studies and of history at Rutgers and the author of Nixon’s Shadow: The History of an Image (Norton), among other books.

JAMES P. RUBIN: "For too many Americans the Iraq war has become a rationale to turn inward."

Was the Iraq war worth it? In hindsight, with all the damage done to Iraq, the United States, and the region, the answer is obviously no. But judging the war ten years later is not just a matter of weighing costs and benefits. It also means remembering how tall we stood after the fall of the Taliban in 2001. Our adversaries—Iran, North Korea, Libya, even China—feared not only our overwhelming military power but our ability to lead the world into action. After the botched occupation of Iraq—and the subsequent economic crisis—that power and respect seems long gone.  

As for the war itself, by any measure it was a calamity. For Iraq, there are the tens of thousands dead, the infrastructure destroyed, the years of chaos, brutality, mass murder and civil war, even the rise of Al-Qaeda. For the United States, the price includes our many thousand dead and seriously wounded, some one trillion dollars spent, the lost admiration of our friends and allies, as well as the shame of Abu Ghuraib.

True, most Iraqis cheered the end of Saddam Hussein’ s tyranny as a godsend. But the “product” the Bush White House said it was bringing to market in August of 2002 was not democracy by invasion, but ending the clear and present danger of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction. To the surprise of nearly everyone, even the war’s opponents, those weapons were just not there. The judgment of history will be harsh indeed.

But what was the alternative? At the time no one really doubted the intelligence reports showing Iraq with substantial stocks of deadly viruses, germs and toxins (By contrast, the nuclear threat, “the smoking gun could be a mushroom cloud,” was irresponsible scare-mongering by the Bush team). It’s hard to remember it now, but 9/11 and the subsequent anthrax attacks created justifiable fear, verging on panic, in America of terrorists armed with weapons of mass destruction. 

What makes it all so confounding is that we know now, from jailhouse interrogations, that it was all a bluff. Saddam wanted his neighbors—and even his own military—to believe he had such weapons. Hence, the conundrum: Given his actual use of chemical weapons on the Kurds and the Iranians, how could any White House believe that the weapons were all destroyed years earlier? 

The first lesson then is that Iraq’s WMD—real or imagined—was a problem to be managed not an urgent threat. The rush to war was an invention of the Bush-Cheney administration. Those WMD, even if they had been there, were not an imminent threat. That’s why the biggest loser was Afghanistan. That country should have been stabilized before Washington even considered redirecting its massive military power to deal with Baghdad. Now, instead of a mission reasonably accomplished in Afghanistan, after thirteen long years of war there’s a good chance it will revert to chaos soon after we leave. 

For policy makers, other lessons learned have to do with the difficulty of doing nation-building without admitting it, the risks of going it alone, and the enduring need for diplomacy backed by force. 

But generals and historians are not the only ones who learn lessons from the last war. Politicians do too. And in the political realm, one huge unintended consequence of the war is the damage done to America’s confidence, to its willingness to lead. In much the same way that the British people and their leaders turned isolationist after the horrors of World War I, for too many Americans the Iraq war has become a rationale to turn inward, a reason to leave Afghanistan to its fate, to let the Europeans handle Libya and Mali, and to watch Syria burn. 

The war not only weakened America in the eyes of the world, it also launched an entire debate here at home about American decline. The Vietnam syndrome was almost gone when the Iraq effect took its place.

James P. Rubin was Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs during the Clinton Administration.  

PAUL BERMAN: "America was drawn into these conflicts of past and present because, in both cases, the isolationist alternative was fantastical nonsense."

America’s experience in Iraq looks to me like a large and exceptionally miserable episode within a far vaster civil war, which is taking place across broad swathes of the Arab and Muslim world. The vaster war was brought about by the rise of mad ideologies, and it will end when the ideologies expire or evolve into ghosts of their previous selves. A gigantic civil war of this sort tore Europe apart in the last century, with fascism and communism as the culpable doctrines, and the conflict proved to be a prolonged business, though not always violent; and this will be true of the larger Arabo-Muslim catastrophe of our own time. 

America was drawn into these conflicts of past and present because, in both cases, the isolationist alternative was fantastical nonsense. In the Iraqi instance we have been drawn in because, if I may lay out the reasons, during the first Gulf War, and then after the war, and then during the Clinton years, and then, and then—until, by 2003, the removal of Saddam was the only way to end the stand-off that resulted from all those other “and thens.” And then came the bad news that everyone knows, as well as its opposite: elimination of the region’s most murderous tyrant, prosperity for our ever-overlooked Kurdish friends, and so forth. Some people argue that al Qaeda in its global version underwent its most grievous defeats during the Iraqi surge, and other people insist that Saddam’s overthrow opened the door for the early liberal moments of the Arab Spring, and fervently I hope that these claims are correct, though really I have no idea.

But the Iraq war has not proved to be the decisive turning point in the vaster conflict. So there will be further developments and further American participation, too, though in forms that seem to me unpredictable—a point that is pressing upon me because, by peculiar happenstance, I am scribbling these words right now in a town in the western Sahara, where I have been meeting people who speak almost casually of gigantic personal and political transformations that no one would have dreamed possible, until they had taken place. Just yesterday I met a mayor who warned that some Polisario separatist rebels from his own Saharan region have joined the Islamist terrorists in Mali. I met a sympatico old Polisario Marxist who told me that he himself, instead of taking up the global jihad, has come out in favor of Moroccan royalism, which he confessed with a wry smile—all of which has reminded me that, in an age of wild ideologies, ideas and affiliations resemble (please pardon the cliché, which right now is no cliché to me) the enormous sand dunes that surrounded me an hour ago and that are said to migrate constantly and change shape under the pressure of invisible and invincible winds.

JOHN B. JUDIS: "This kind of rhetoric about America’s special role ... most resembles the kind of moral-ideological rationale used by Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia."

There are, of course, the facts on the ground: the hundreds of thousands dead; the country, even ten years afterwards, in worse shape than before; the revival of deadly tribal and religious rivalries; and from the American standpoint, the replacement of manageable balance of power in the region by a tacit alliance between Shi’ite Iran and Iraq. But leave those considerations aside and consider the more ethereal subject of international law.

International law is more honored in theory than practice, but has nonetheless served a useful purpose in suppressing certain odious practices and justifying international action against countries that violate its prohibitions. American support for international law dates from Theodore Roosevelt and was continued through every administration until that of George W. Bush.

It was originally hoped that international law would be enforced by the conscience of mankind; but that hope expired after two world wars. What replaced it was enforcement through international and multilateral institutions and, if those failed, through the power of a hegemon, the United States. And international law had some success after World War II, evidenced most clearly in the alliance the United States was able to fashion in 1991 against Iraq’s conquest of Kuwait.

But the Bush administration violated two of its axiomatic provisions. First, the U.N. Charter barred military action against another country action except in immediate self-defense “against an armed attack.” When countries violated this provision, as Iraq did in invading Kuwait, the Security Council could authorize force against it. The U.N. provision was intended to rule out wars of conquest or preemptive wars like that of Germany against Russia in World War I. But there was a gray area where a nation attacked another that it believed, with good reason, was planning to attack it, as appeared to happen during the Six Day War in 1967.

The Bush administration, however, went well beyond this. In Bush’s 2002 speech at West Point, he justified “preemptive action” when intelligence revealed “threats hidden in caves and growing in laboratories.” The latter was a clear reference to Iraq. Bush was arguing that even if Iraq had not attacked the United States or any other country, but was merely developing weapons in “laboratories,” the United States was justified in taking preemptive action. That justification, if universalized, could lead to decades of war.

The Bush administration also brazenly violated the United Nations’ convention against torture, which the Reagan administration had signed. By violating it in Iraq, and most likely in Afghanistan, the United States created a situation where another country would no longer feel bound to adhere to the convention when dealing with American prisoners. In both cases, the Bush administration offered Byzantine justifications, but it seems to me that there were two kinds of motives behind the administration’s rejection of international law.

The first was the narrow nationalism of former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and former Vice President Dick Cheney. According to this view, the U.S. could and should do whatever was in its national interest. Period. That was, for instance, the view that imperial Germany took before World War I. In endorsing the U.N. charter, Harry Truman spoke very clearly against this view. “We all have to recognize—no matter how great our strength—that we must deny ourselves the license to do always as we please.”

The other rationale, voiced by neoconservatives inside and outside the administration, was that America was an exceptional country whose actions came out of a higher morality. “As the greatest power on the face of the Earth, we have an obligation to help the spread of freedom,” Bush declared in justifying American intervention. “That is what we have been called to do, as far as I am concerned.” This kind of rhetoric about America’s special role, which Mitt Romney echoed in the 2012 campaign, may seem to be boilerplate patriotism, but applied to foreign policy, it most resembles the kind of moral-ideological rationale used by Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia to advance their own interests in the world.

The former kind of justification (“might is right”) led to World War I, and the second (“our might is right”) to World War II and the Cold War. In the twenty-first century, this kind of jaded reasoning led to America’s worst foreign policy disaster since the Vietnam War. And if the Obama administration is not careful in its attempt to discourage Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, it could lead to a new quagmire in the Middle East. 

John B. Judis explored these themes in The Folly of Empire, which appeared in 2004. 

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A good symposium and most of the pieces deserve individual attention and serious discussion. Though I have one immediate quibble about Judis' otherwise agreeable piece which argues correctly that the Bush approach to Iraq could not be universalised which immediately disqualifies it from being a thoughtful departure from the collective security regime. Slaughter claims WMD would have been enough - perhaps - but its vague and permissive argument which invites delegated enforcement of Council authority which is very dangerous territory. But Judis states "International law is more honored in theory than practice" which is quite wrong. As any student of Brownlie can tell you, IL is obeyed regularly and habitually in any number of contexts whether postal rules, bilateral treaties and custom. Even norms outside the framework of reciprocity see good adherence. What we can say is that certain areas of public international law run against great power dynamics which frustrate compliance and possible reform. It is mainly the highly visible deviations which give this false impression. Anyway, importantly, the Bush doctrine cannot be reconciled with any current or emerging international law doctrine on use of force - not the Caroline doctrine of anticipatory self-defence and not emerging doctrines like R2P.

- Willf

March 20, 2013 at 2:17am

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I'm glad John Judis suggested that preemptive strikes are for dictatorships, not so-called democracies. I emphasize 'so-called.' I don't care in the least about the people of Iraq. They're corrupt as hell, and they will remain that way (even LW suggested that). And when we invaded Iraq, we not only acted like a dictatorship, we became closer in corruption to the Iraqi people.

- magboy47.

March 20, 2013 at 2:35am

3,20,13, 3:18 pm, est // Aren't you confusing preemptive and preventive, the former justifiable and legal as self defense, the latter more problematic? Was the bombing of Osarik a preventive strike worthy only of a dictator? The line between prevention and preemption can be blurry. I wouldn't be too quick to be so categorically prescriptive about the necessary illegitimacy of the latter in all cases.

- basman

March 20, 2013 at 3:23pm

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The lessons learned are a disappointment, more self-serving rationalizations than guiding principles. We already knew that just war does not include preemptive war, yet that didn't dissuade the interventionists. One would get the impression that intervention is something new, but it's not. The long transition to democracy in Europe was marked by one intervention after another. John Stuart Mill crafted a set of guiding principles for his time, which have been updated by Michael Doyle. Under Millsian principles, non-intervention is the default position, and those supporting intervention have the burden of proof. Sure, the middle east is not Europe, but both have a history of despotism and imperialism, and the path to democracy in Europe was savage indeed. But rather than a set of guiding principles, the preference today is to defer to an international organization, the United Nations, as though it will calmly and soberly evaluate the evidence at a time when emotions are high, fears are pervasive, and motives are opaque. Ten years ago a dissenter wrote in this magazine that he feared an unjustified intervention in Iraq would serve to discourage a justified intervention later. How will we know if the only guiding principle is our gut.

- rayward

March 20, 2013 at 7:49am

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None of these comments measure up to the catastrophe caused by Bush-Cheney War proponents' lies and uncalled for credulity by media & politicians. What would it take to restore justice? We could start with the standard questions - what did you know and when did you know it? It is necessary to establish the truths behind what occurred - not reflect on benefits despite the mistakes or the consequences for current American policy (the Syria interventionist arguments). EVERYONE who promoted the war knowing that the facts did not support it should be prosecuted for war crimes, for fraud on the American people and should be made liable for their actions in criminal and civil courts.

- jvillere

March 20, 2013 at 11:29am

The catastrophe was caused by those who in the 80's and 90's refused to deal with Iraq when it did use weapons of mass destruction. Bush had an easy time persuading that Iraq had WMD's because it did use them in the past and the chances of it using them in the future were pretty high.

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 3:32pm

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As usual, John Judis has it correct. As for Mr Wieseltier, cursing George W. Bush may not be a strategy, but at least it shows you've got your head and your heart in the right place. Mr Wieseltier and those like him have spent the last decade vomiting abuse at the people who dared to be correct about the Iraq War.

- DC Spence

March 20, 2013 at 12:35pm

Spence just goes after people rather then deal with the issue at hand.

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 3:34pm

...says arnon1? Actually DC Spence is exactly right. Most of the senior members of the Bush administration--who were responsible for this war and the mess that followed--had no idea until years later whether Saddam himself was a Sunni or a Shia. A very well thought out war indeed. Cursing these people may not be a strategy, but is it not a valid viewpoint?

- striker

March 20, 2013 at 4:06pm

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When super-hawk Leon is leading the charge for yet another war, I hope all of us remember how profoundly wrong he was cheer-leading for war with Iraq (and how disrespectful to those who were right). There are certain political writers who, however facile or eloquent they may be, are not to be trusted. Leon has a secure place in their ranks.

- JackR

March 20, 2013 at 1:36pm

Another poster obsessed with Leon W rather than deal with the issues. " There are certain political writers who, however facile or eloquent they may be, are not to be trusted. Leon has a secure place in their ranks." The same with posters and Jack R is candidate number one.

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 3:36pm

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I would think that a symposium would present arguments that responded to one another. This is merely a bunch of columns presented on one page. Anne Marie Slaughter underestimates the cost of the war by a trillion dollars -- much like the Bush Administration did!

- subterra

March 20, 2013 at 3:06pm

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Pretty good look at the subject, on the whole fair and balanced. In terms of lessons learned, we can only hope to learn the right ones if we get the relevant facts straight. For starters, we should all jettison the delusional scenario that The Iraq War started in 2003 after being cooked up by a cabal in the GWB Whitehouse. The war actually started in 1991 with full legal bells and whistles in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. It carried on in fits and starts until recently, at times managed poorly and at others catastrophically, but it was always a bi-partisan, multi-administration operation with generally broad public support, and it was surely the most comprehensively debated war in recent history. So, IMHO, we have learned that "intelligence" shouldn't be confused with truth; ending wars is much harder than starting them; even the best military in the world can't overcome incompetent leadership; and that while winning a war is wildly expensive, nothing costs more than losing one.

- Robert Powell

March 20, 2013 at 3:19pm

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"The problem with the lessons of the past is that they can be true and still not offer a reliable guide to the future." You can say that again. How about the report that Syria had used chemical weapons on opponents of the regime?

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 3:23pm

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The Iraq war does offer lessons but not for the future. The lessons are that if we ignore a regimes use of chemical weapons the chances of our having to deal with that regime in some way are pretty high. Hence we should deal with such a regime at the time when they used those weapons. For those who don't know Saddam's Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran and against the Kurds in Iraq. When looking to criticize the Iraq war, then we have to go back to the time when that regime first committed heinous war crimes.

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 3:28pm

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I wonder what people like Jack R and DC Spence thought at the time Iraq killed whole Kurdish villages with chemical weapons and we did nothing ten or fifteen years previous. Do they care that innocent people were being butchered? The probably also would have been neutral during WW2 had Japan not attacked us. At a time of weapons of mass destruction it's the so called "pacifists" who are the enemy of humanitarianism.

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 3:42pm

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Excellent collection of essays, some very moving, and clearly heartfelt. Much more of this, please, and less of "Should basketball uniforms have sleeves?" and "Why do we hate Anne Hathaway?"............Ten years ago, there were many people--perhaps a substantial minority of the American public--who knew the administration was starting this war for no particular reason, and who knew how it would go. I don't think the media was necessarily cowed or afraid or blindingly reporting what the administration told it to. They reported what was very likely to happen, a decision made by the Bush administration, who had no one to answer to and no one who could veto the idea.

- striker

March 20, 2013 at 4:18pm

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It's funny that, while some of the writers of these pieces claim to have been chastened by their experience in boosting the Iraq War at one time or another, none of them has been so chastened as to actually change their views on future intervention elsewhere, or even whether the invasion was ultimately not a good thing for Iraq and the Iraqis and America and Americans. Meanwhile, those who were opposed feel vindicated not just in their opposition to Iraq but apparently their opposition to any other kind of American humanitarian intervention or preemptive conflict as well. David Greenberg is the only one whose dogmatism seems not to have survived the war, but only in the sense that he didn't have dogmatism to begin with. /// I opined in another article that the American people have in fact learned a lot of lessons from the Iraq War, much more than some pundits give them credit for. This symposium makes it clear that pundits have definitely not learned any lessons in their own right from the Iraq War, any claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

- wildboy

March 20, 2013 at 4:50pm

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The real tragedy is the squandering of our blood and treasure in a war of choice. It's always the soldiers and civilians who pay the real price. I served in Vietnam as a medical corpsman, so I saw the human face of war. But never did I think in my wildest imagination America would commit a foreign policy blunder that rivaled what I saw as a young and naive man. And of course, I was wrong as usual. And of course, I found the usual suspects inside the beltway bubble and at influential newspapers and magazines who supported this war. Nothing seems to have changed and I felt trapped in some kind of bizarre time-warp as the neo-cons and the liberal hawks beat their little tin drums for war. They love war, because they don't fight them. We have an all volunteer armed forces to do the actual dirty work for them. And now, once again, safe within their illusions and their careers as the masters of public opinion they debate what went wrong. It's rather sad. I wonder how they live with themselves, having been such fools, with so much blood on their hands and our treasury nearly bankrupt for the cost of these wars.

- rewiredhogdog

March 20, 2013 at 4:50pm

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This symposium is very incomplete - the argument wasn't "war vs. nothing" it was war vs. "containment" as we were so frequently reminded in 2004. According to the U.N., containment meant 50,000 dead kids every year (who knows how many dead in total). After 9/11 and Saddam's shenanigans does anyone think we were going to give him any breathing room to rebuild his army (only the US, China and North Korea's was larger) or resume bombing the Kurds (remember the no-fly zone)? For some of us liberal hawks, this was a big motivating factor - it should at least be addressed.

- Lymon1

March 20, 2013 at 5:00pm

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This is such a hard topic to deal with. I've been thinking about it a lot lately, and as much as I think the war was folly, I think it would probably have happened anyway at a slightly later time. So the question is not "why did we go to war" but rather "why did we go to war then, and to such catastrophic defeat"? I've written a blog post about this, for anyone who is interested: http://clinkman.wordpress.com/2013/03/20/was-the-iraq-war-inevitable-a-10th-anniversary-counter-factual/

- dclinkman

March 20, 2013 at 7:01pm

"...and as much as I think the war was folly, I think it would probably have happened anyway at a slightly later time" The problem with the war wasn't the invasion, it was our goal of creating a "democratic" State in a tribal country without any experience with democracy. Had we gone in and taken Saddam out that would have been enough. However, both the right and the left in our country wants to believe in grandiose goals: Democracy for the right and "Human Rights" for the left. None of these ideals is relevant in most of the Middle East.

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 7:42pm

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Those who attack the Iraq war will they also attack taking support away from Mubarak now that the Muslim Brotherhood is on verge of taking over that country?

- arnon1

March 20, 2013 at 7:45pm

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War vs. containment can is certainly a valid dichotomy to help evaluate the choice of going to war in terms of lives lost and human suffering. But the argument needs to be specified and qualified properly. For example, you cannot simply load the counter-factual dice by affixing the situation in 2003 onwards and the foreseeable future. Without the war you do have the possibility of political oxygen for a different international settlement on Iraq. For example, obviously, continuation of the inspection regime would be the starting point as would further engagement by Security Council - which certainly could include reappraisal of the sanction regime to make it more targeted and less costly, from a humanitarian perspective. A massive amount of moral and political capital was wasted getting into Iraq in the absence of a Security Council authorisation, so you would have a lot of coin to potentially shape the situation differently. Moreover, any future humanitarian crisis or genocide initiated by the Ba’ath regime would still be perfectly actionable under existing and nascent international law, so it’s not like with containment you’re foreclosing on the possibility of using military force completely to prevent massive loss of life. Also, I hardly need mention that containment has innumerable benefits outside not incurring all the direct costs of the war, such as not empowering Iran, not shattering the mystique of American power ala Vietnam, and not degrading the international security regime with an ad hoc adventure which sets an untenable and dangerous precedent for employing the use of force.

- Willf

March 20, 2013 at 8:06pm

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Apart from being in blatant violation of the UN Charter, as it was not even claimed to be in self-defense and was not authorized by the UNSC (which specifically declined to do so, the invasion was politically justified based on lies, to the American people and to the world, that the Bush administration knew to be lies. The best evidence publicly advanced for the existence of WMDs in Iraq were the stories about Nigerian yellowcake and aluminum tubes that the had already been thoroughly discredited within the US government. Yet it was these discredited stories that Bush and company trotted out to justify the war. Aggressive war is a war crime. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et alia, should be doing time in the Hague. That a war begun on the basis of a fraud should then go very badly ought to surprise no one.

- roidubouloi

March 21, 2013 at 12:20am

IMHO, Klein and Pollack do a better job of summing up the "lessons learned" and retrospective: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-19/mistakes-excuses-and-painful-lessons-from-the-iraq-war.html In any case, selecting random "facts" retrospectively and jamming them together in such a way as to reinforce a pre-determined narrow and partisan narrative of what was, objectively, a decades long developing crisis dealt with in a bi-partisan, multi-administration way with broad and consistent public support, is the opposite of responsible history. One thing for sure--"international law" is a work in progress currently more suited to routine transactions than dealing with large and ambiguous situations like Iraq. According to some definitions bandied about here Clinton should also go to The Hague for attacking Serbia, in the process saving hundreds of thousands of lives.

- Robert Powell

March 21, 2013 at 5:34am

The law of war and the UN Charter have nothing to do with routine transactions. They are specifically directed to the questions when states may legitimately make war. Had Bush not lied to the public and the world about the imminence of WMDs in Iraq, there would have been no war as it never would have been sanctioned by the Congress and the aggressive and illegal nature of the war would have been patent. Bush was at great pains at least to try and appear to be within the law, arguing, absurdly, but arguing none the less that the UNSC had somehow authorized the 2003 war in 1991, even though in 2003 the UNSC explicitly declined to authorize the war. In any case, in a democratic polity such as ours, where the decision to go to war is made by the people as represented by their legislature, it is criminal to induce the necessary political consent by deliberate fraud. That is what Bush did. It matters not how complicated the crisis or whether it had been developing for 1,000 years. But for the fraud, we would not have wasted and blighted thousands of American lives, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, and wasted in excess of $1 trillion. Moreover, it is perfectly clear now, as it should have been then, that the actual purpose of the war was neither more nor less to display American power in the Muslim world as a means of deterring future 9/11s, even though Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with that attack on us. WMDs and Saddam Hussein were merely the rhetorical excuse.

- roidubouloi

March 21, 2013 at 8:45am

First, as the experiences of the twenties through 1939 showed, the concept of 'outlawing' war is nonsense--only the good actors will follow the rules, which makes it useless. Second, though the Bush Team, i.e. Tennet, Cheney, etc, were fraudulent in their manipulation of intelligence, they were not generally 'lying.' They did actually believe the WMD's were there (because that was the dominant belief in most Western and Arab intelligence agencies--Sadaam had successfully bluffed us), and that they'd be vindicated when they were 'found' after the war. Otherwise, their actions make no sense, i.e. they would be (and were) shown up as frauds to the entire world, and US credibility has never recovered. Our ability to assemble collective action in 2013 (even with Obama as president), as opposed to early 2002, is so reduced, it's breathtaking, and it's mostly because of this miscalculation. Arrogant jackasses (though not, for the most part, liars. Or not about that, anyway. The tax cuts, sure) But just remember: there are no true laws of war, except those of self-interest, strategy, and power. The US knew that when it justified NATO's existence for mutual defense during the cold war, and frankly, only Europe really gives a shit about Geneva and all that, anyway. Everyone else is too busy silencing the press and quietly killing their political rivals, etc etc (yes, I exaggerate. You get the idea)

- Curran1

March 21, 2013 at 11:54pm

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'Aren't you confusing preemptive and preventive, the former justifiable and legal as self defense, the latter more problematic?' Basman, preventative is always the excuse that aggressive leaders use for a preemptive strike--throughout history. But it's still aggression. I'm simply against attacking until we're attacked. I don't care about the suffering people in other regions of the world. They're in the mess they're in primarily because they've been standing around for thousands of years with their thumbs up their butts, wondering what happened. I believe that the human animal, regardless of race or culture, is capable of more than that. A strange view for a Near Leftist, you say? I'm also an existentialist. I have a positive view of the possibilities of the human animal. Unfortunately, we humans, including me--especially me--don't always fulfill our potential.

- magboy47.

March 21, 2013 at 10:07am

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There's something fundamentally crazy about arguing that "Bush lies" started a war that began ten years before he entered the White House, and that was carried on without a formal break with the loss of perhaps a million innocent lives during this time. I'm no Bush apologist--both of them made unforgivable mistakes. But facts are facts, and no amount of emotional retrospective torturing of random sound bites, combined with mind-reading and blatant abuse of the English language (the mistake of believing and repeating the wrong "expert" advice is not lying), can change the actual history. Which always eventually comes out.

- Robert Powell

March 21, 2013 at 2:19pm

With the exception of commentor 'Lymon,' I believe it was, there's a lot of crap written here. "This symposium is very incomplete - the argument wasn't "war vs. nothing" it was war vs. "containment" as we were so frequently reminded in 2004. According to the U.N., containment meant 50,000 dead kids every year (who knows how many dead in total). After 9/11 and Saddam's shenanigans does anyone think we were going to give him any breathing room to rebuild his army (only the US, China and North Korea's was larger) or resume bombing the Kurds (remember the no-fly zone)? " Yes, it's true--the induced collapse of the Iraqi economy and the malnutrition of millions of people was the 'successful' alternative to war, the sanctions which (surprisingly) prevented Sadaam from building the economic clout to rebuild his arms cache. Was this in any way acceptable? And fuck WMD, for a second? How about R2P? What was acceptable about leaving in power an unelected dictator who: 1) Had defaulted on and defied his 1991 treaty obligations by not VERYFIABLY disposing of his weapons (apparently part of an elaborate bluff so he wouldn't appear to weak to his neighbor in Egypt, Saudi, and Iran--he knew what HE'D do to such weak neighbors, so of course he was afraid of openly giving up such weapons) 2) Had slaughtered more than 200,000 of his own people, using poison gas and simple massacres: both Shia Arabs, and Kurds (as well as the occasional Turcoman), in a country of not much over 20 million? A man who'd already attacked two of his neighbors in wars of naked aggression. In what world do the decent and powerful democracies of the world allow such a dictator to continue, when the only way to keep weapons out of his hands is the malnutrition of most of his nation? I joined up to fight Iraq as a medic, and deeply regret what I saw there--the incompetence and callousness of the US military, and the fact that I couldn't get anyone to teach me Arabic, so it was impossible to 'win hearts and minds.' It was horrible and pointless, and there are huge lessons about going to war under bad intelligence, and without a thorough and believable plan to win the peace. But we've done it before, under competent President's who knew they had a responsibility to govern: FDR, Truman....I'm not sure how much credit McCarthur gets for ruling Japan those few years...his position as governor general strikes me as distasteful. But the point is, there were legitimate cassus belli, and more legitimate moral reasons for the war, even if it was nastily handled by an American ruling party that has gone insane with arrogance, and a cynical military who, though they always treated me well, were unprepared for and uninterested in the necessary task of nation-building, to say nothing of the failure at high levels to secure a settlement for power-sharing between Sunni, Shia, and Kurd (for what it's worth, I believe it's only fair Sadaam's Baathist Arab takeover of traditionally Kurdish Kirkuk should be reversed, but anyway). So, yes, huge problems, and Bush destroyed much that was good, Cheney helped, and our military wasn't much interested in the rest. Those of us who wanted to help had no opportunity, for the most part (even to admit as much would be a bizarre admission of non-cynicism in the professionally cynical US Army). But the world's been made better through the removal of dictators before, and it can happen again; even Napoleon brought justice and an open code of law to many regions of the globe that previously lacked it. These things are complicated. We could, and should, have done better. But this is what happened.

- Curran1

March 21, 2013 at 11:15pm

By the way, I believe it fundamentally inaccurate to claim that the war was fully debated in public beforehand. I remember being deeply disturbed by the conflicting claims among analysts, but the journalists were almost uniformly TOO LAZY to actually do any research and find out who was correct on any given issue, nearly always reverting back to the 'The Bush Administration alleges that...' followed by '...though their critics question whether.' Make no mistake: the critical intelligence questions regarding the strategic and factual matters of this war were NOT answered beforehand, not in this magazine, not in the NY Times, certainly not in the Post. 'The Nation's' coverage was little better, just knee-jerk rejection of 'imperialism,' rather than anything for those of us seeking the truth of the matter. In the end, I just had to make my best guess, and assume it didn't make sense that Sadaam (who had been discovered with illegal weapons in 1997 and then kicked out inspectors) would not secretly have destroyed his weapons after going to all that trouble to hide them, and that, besides, there were plenty of reasons to remove him anyway (little did I understand, at the time, of the complexities of war and its aftermath...which things I saw first-hand and will never recover from), the mass murderer. I do wonder, though, about what Matt Yglesias has termed 'the competence dodge,': would it have been possible, with an FDR instead of a W in charge of our military, someone who knew the need to keep the peace, to understand foreign cultures, and to send administrators and translators, as well as troops (with plans developed as far as possible in advance), to get rid of Sadaam without bringing on the ensuing hell of civil unrest and, eventually, war, that America forever must bear on our conscience (in part, at least--it wasn't entirely our fault, but still our responsibility to avoid)? Or is this a foolish dream? I don't believe in Kissinger's view of amorality in war and peace, nor the tolerance of evil strongmen found on both the right and the left, nor the incompetence of W, nor the poll-tested cynicism of his father, who caused much of Iraqi Shiite distrust of us in 2003 by inciting them to rebellion in 1991 and then leaving them to be slaughtered by Sadaam because the US public and the Saudis wanted us out (yes, this is why we were not greeted as 'liberators,' among many other reasons). Nor do I believe that the Kurds in Syria, Iran, Iraq and Turkey should live forever in subservience to foreign masters, however much oil they have, and however much capacity their various masters have to suppress them. The world is complex. W was an idiot, and so made things worse. FDR was a genius, and so had the fortitude of a great man in a world crisis, and made history. Wilson, too, perhaps. I demand just men, good men, who do not overestimate US power, to do the best we can with it. And the press could damn well do their part, too, by not just repeating back-and-forth claims by various officials. Because that helps so much, to inform the public that there may be some degree of uncertainty about this or that claim. Lazy, cowardly asses.

- Curran1

March 21, 2013 at 11:36pm

With all due respect Curran, you list an awful lot of "alternative" facts to the standard government line that were widely discussed in the media. IMHO, they did about as good a job of putting the available facts out there as they could. Bottom line, this war was the most fully vetted in history, from press reports through general elections. The real "lazy, cowardly asses" were people like Tommy Franks, George Tenant, Paul Bremer, et al who instead of getting the jail time, or at least public disgrace that they deserved got Freedom Medals. Most responsibility of course accrues to Rumsfeld, and ultimately "the deciders", both Bushes. I wish I could be more confident that "an FDR" would have done better, but a careful reading of his management of WWII reveals an awful lot of stuff we wouldn't accept today, from taking his eye off the ball and invading North Africa, through the appalling number of civilian casualties we inflicted (including about 40,000 French citizens in early 1944 alone), to the unforgivable sellouts of Yalta. I'm afraid the best conclusion is that war ALWAYS produces examples of stupidity, incompetence, malfeasance, and criminality. Always has, always will.

- Robert Powell

March 22, 2013 at 4:24am

Fair point that the civilian and military leadership deserve more blame than civilian journalists, though I won't back down that there wasn't the quantity or quality of investigative reporting necessary on critical questions before the war. The World War was huge. Forty or fifty million people died, and amid that, there were some horrible, avoidable tragedies, but I have faith that the general FDR/Churchill competence might have avoided most of the Iraq War mistakes--many of them were pretty easy to avoid. Sadaam was no Hitler, after all. Beyond that, I'm not sure what exactly we're disagreeing on, so let's leave it there.

- Curran1

March 22, 2013 at 8:16pm

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