POLITICS AUGUST 24, 2012
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With the election behind us now, talk has already turned to 2016 and the potential of a Joe Biden candidacy. Here was what TNR's Noam Scheiber reported back in August.
TYPICALLY AT this point on the political calendar, a sitting vice president scrupulously downplays his interest in ascending to the top job. The thought of course consumes him, but actually discussing it strikes him as breathtakingly gauche. Vice presidents as varied as Walter Mondale, George H.W. Bush, and Al Gore all gamely hewed to this script.
And then there is Joe Biden. Given his age (he would be 74 on Inauguration Day 2017), his Rodney Dangerfield reputation among Democrats, and the icon status of presumed front-runner Hillary Clinton, few political observers seem confident he’ll even contest the next race. Except, that is, for Biden himself, who has been anything but bashful about his intentions for 2016. When asked by CNN late last year if he was “closing that door” on another attempt at the White House, a slightly offended Biden insisted he was “not closing anything.” He elaborated: “I wouldn’t have run for president in the first place—and I don’t think the president would have picked me—unless he thought I’d be good at the job.”
This wasn’t a case of Biden winging it on national television, as is his wont. His brain trust, too, has been gaming out a final run at the highest office. In a not-for-attribution conversation, one longtime Biden adviser who doesn’t currently work for the vice president, but would play a key role in a 2016 campaign, sketched out a surprisingly detailed strategy.
First, Biden is going to extravagant lengths to ensure his boss’s reelection while putting his own ambitions on hold, in the hope that the Obama brass will reward this selflessness when the time comes. There is, quite simply, no speech Biden won’t deliver if it advances the White House cause, no attack on Mitt Romney he won’t wage, no annual convention of Pacific Islander flight attendants he won’t attend on the president’s behalf. “To some extent, he’s put himself in a challenging position [for 2016] by playing by the rules of the Obama political operation and not doing a lot of the prep work, particularly around fund-raising, you would ordinarily be doing by now,” says the adviser.
But Biden’s inner circle believes the strategy will position him to inherit key players on President Obama’s political team. The adviser notes, for example, that Jim Messina, the president’s 2012 campaign manager, is a huge Biden fan who could play a leading role in a future campaign: “Jim and the vice president have built up a nice relationship these past four years.” Likewise, Rufus Gifford, the Obama campaign’s chief fund-raiser, could give Biden entrée to deep-pocketed donors (who have eluded him thus far) in Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and the financial sector. “I know [Gifford] felt the vice president has done a great job. He could be instrumental in pulling together money for this,” the adviser explains.
Step two of the master plan is leveraging Biden’s deep ties to traditional Democratic constituencies, such as labor, trial lawyers, and African American, Jewish, and gay groups and donors, the last of which were thrilled by his plug for same-sex marriage this May. The vice president cultivated some of these ties for decades as a senator, but has strengthened them significantly during his punishing tour of Holiday Inn ballrooms over the past four years. “Biden has a special call on a lot of people’s loyalties, starting with the president,” says the adviser. “That’s why you’ve got to take him seriously. And he’s serious.”
All of which makes it unsurprising that Biden considers himself, if not the 800-pound gorilla of the 2016 field, then certainly a big-boned primate. “Other than Hillary, he doesn’t consider any of the names lurking beneath the surface as competitors,” says the adviser. But even if we allow that Biden’s chances are far better in 2016 than they were in 2008, does that make them, you know, good?
“I’VE GOT A BETTER SHOT at being president than him,” groused one Obama fund-raiser when I first floated the idea. Then something curious happened. The longer we spoke, the more this person convinced himself that Biden did have a real shot, at least without Clinton in the race. “This guy has done everything the president asked him to do,” said the fund-raiser. “Even if he wasn’t going to win ... I’m writing him checks, raising money as a thank you.” The source estimated that, when this “thank-you money” was combined with what should be solid early poll numbers in Iowa and New Hampshire, Biden would be a bona fide contender.
Of course, the Clinton network will also have much to say about the next Democratic nominee—and here, too, Biden’s prospects are surprisingly promising if Hillary takes a pass. Last winter, Biden hired a counselor named Steve Ricchetti, a deputy chief of staff in the Clinton White House, partly to help nail down Hillary’s political handlers, according to the Biden adviser. One such target is Nick Clemons, the man who captained Clinton’s dramatic comeback in the 2008 New Hampshire primary. “Nick is probably the number one grab choice in 2016,” the adviser predicts. “I would think Nick would be with us.” A top Clinton aide from 2008 found this to be entirely plausible: “I think there’s a chance for [Biden] to sort of get a large number of the operatives.”
It’s enough to make you start dropping Biden’s name into aimless August political conversations. (Trust me, I’ve done it.) That is, until you talk to some more seasoned Obama alumni and the grand vision all comes crashing down. At this point, you realize the problem isn’t that Biden can’t mount a credible campaign. The problem is that, even after his highly successful, expectations-beating vice presidency, too many Democrats still regard him as distinctly un-presidential.
One Obama operative from 2008 turned slightly frigid when asked if Biden had a chance to inherit the president’s Iowa apparatus: “I don’t think so. Obama’s world is so unique, and it’s uniquely Obama. I don’t think it necessarily translates to anyone.”
Another Obama veteran argues that Democratic primaries these days are more about inspiring the base than cashing in chits. Of all the potential 2016 contenders—Clinton, Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo—the second operative says Biden is worst positioned to do that: “Biden’s story is thirty years past due. He was a young hotshot in 1988.” It’s not that rank-and-file Democrats don’t love Biden—they do. But they love the image of him soaping up his Trans Am in the White House driveway, clad in nothing but jean shorts—as The Onion famously spoofed him—not the image of him manning the Oval Office controls.
The people on top of Obama Inc. share this affection, but have their own Biden hang-ups. “They think he talks too much,” says a senior administration official. “He’s a nice guy, but I don’t think they think he’s the [future] president.” While there was no truth behind the recent chatter that Obama would relegate him to the State Department and enlist Clinton as his running mate—Biden’s status on the 2012 ticket has always been secure—it’s not hard to imagine Chicago pining for a more on-message veep.
Biden is, after all, the man who once waxed optimistic about then-Senator Obama’s future by testifying to his hygiene (“articulate and bright and clean,” in his trademark locution). He is the off-the-cuff geostrategist who, within three weeks of the 2008 election, predicted that America’s enemies would test Obama during his first six months as president. Earlier this month, Biden stood before a mixed-race crowd in Virginia and accused Romney of wanting to “unchain Wall Street” and put “you all back in chains,” marking what must be the first time in a century that one major campaign has accused the other of pro-slavery sympathies.
Still, perhaps the real problem with Biden’s college-roommate-at-a-weddingreception sense of tact isn’t the damage it inflicts on Obama, which is minimal. It’s the damage it inflicts on Biden himself. According to Team Biden’s own plan, one of the few tasks he had to complete this year was to appear entirely focused on the president’s reelection. And yet his gay-marriage indiscretion this spring had all the trappings of presidential maneuvering and had White House aides fuming. Call it the paradox of Joe Biden: The vice president has always been compelling enough to send Democratic strategists daydreaming. But, no matter how good the strategy, Biden always finds a way to step on Biden in the end.
This article appeared in the September 13, 2012 issue of the magazine.
29 comments
No way. He's too old, to prone to foot-in-mouth disease, and has insufficient intellectual heft for a party that values a good degree of intelligence in its presidents.
- Thunderroad
August 27, 2012 at 12:18am
It certainly makes a compelling case for his run in 2016 seeing as the only cons are quotes taken out of context - even more than usual. I had never heard the "clean" comment related to hygiene before. His 2008 campaign was the first political campaign I ever became involved in, and he inspired me to get into politics with his speeches on the Iraq War. I just don't know if I could support a 74 year old candidate for President in 2016. 78 at the end of his first term, 82 at the end of his second. It's a shame, but at least he'll have 8 years as a strong Vice President. He has been invaluable, a tireless ally, and certainly consequential (cc: Dick Cheney). Despite the many attempts at character assassination and parody, I think he will have a legacy as one of our greatest Vice Presidents and a key definer of the role.
- m.hancock
August 27, 2012 at 12:29am
Right, m.hancock. Biden's been a good VP, but he's too old for even that office in 2016. His verbal gaffes are caused somewhat by his age. I know the feeling. But his devil-may-care personality also causes him to say injudicious things sometimes, like the leak on Meet the Press about gay marriage. He would not make a good president. Presidents aren't supposed to leak anything.
- magboy47.
August 27, 2012 at 1:45am
Scheiber is performing a great service for the party and the country by raising this question now so that we are prepared to stop Biden before it's too late. Democrats and the country owe Scheiber a debt of gratitude.
- rayward
August 27, 2012 at 7:19am
Best way to insure no continuation of the BHO/Clinton/Biden non-progressive Dem leadership in 2016, is a defeat in 2012. Otherwise, after the economy turns down in 2013, decent chance right-wing Repubs are in power for many years thereafter, running against the second coming of Hoover as BHO if the best historical parallel for the 2012 election turns out to be 1928.
- drofnats1
August 27, 2012 at 10:06am
Thunderroad has it right. Biden would be a disaster as a candidate, a disaster as a negotiator, and a disaster as a President. He would be a repeat of the Gore campaign -- a guy who shoots himself in the foot so often that he allows a destructive idiot like Bush-II to gain power. I know Democrats have the Big Tent. I know it'll be "Biden's Turn". But I also know getting Democrats behind you is like herding cats -- we really need a candidate with some vision for a progressive America and an ability to verbalize that vision. As his earlier attempt has demonstrated, Biden's not that guy.
- AllanL5
August 27, 2012 at 10:54am
joe biden has a problem with truthfulness/exaggeration that will be replayed ad nauseum. THis is from the last election but all will be dug up again. http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-columns/joe-biden-is-definitely-a-characterbut-does-he-have-character/ BIden's problem, for all the above enumerated in my '08 post, is one of deep insecurity--and that can be a motivator. LBJ had the same problem and he was a path-breaking president on the domestic front.
- NR144137
August 27, 2012 at 11:10am
I love the Biden too but I agree with everyone above, he will be too old. I am sure internal polling done prior to any campaign should bear that truth out. The only plausible path I see for him becoming President is if he were to become President during a second Obama term, God forbid, for whatever reason.
- blackton
August 27, 2012 at 11:24am
drofnats1, I just don't buy the notion that the best way forward (electing a truly progressive, effective Dem president in 2016) is to go backward (Obama losing this year). There are so many arguments against this reasoning, but I'll sketch just four: 1. Whether a Dem or Republican will fill any Supreme Court vacancies. 2. Whether Americans get to see and some to favor the more favorable aspects of the ACA in action, which will happen of O wins, or whether it will be gutted by Romney. 3. The economy will bounce back somewhat under either President, thus paving the way for Romney's re-election in 2016 if he wins this year. I'm on thinner ice in this prediction, but I can definitely see him and the Republicans doing some sort of stimulus if he gets in. They opposed O's stimulus and the subsequent (and rejected by the House) Jobs Act because they know it could help the economy and O, not out of some true, deep-seated conviction. Romney knows getting the economy really moving again will hinge on such spending. 4. In return for that getting some Republicans to go along with that spending, Romney will throw the Far Right all sorts of bones about issues he cares less about than the economy (on abortion, contraception, the environment, increased defense spending) as well as those he might really believe in (if he really believes in anything), such as gutting Medicare and cutting taxes for the wealthy.
- Thunderroad
August 27, 2012 at 11:41am
I larfed, and I larfed and I larfed, said Finnegan in the wake of your Biden article. Then I showed Biden's photo to my aging German Shepherd (a dog), Misha, and she laughed and laughed lying on her back, kicking her feet in the air. Biden, politically considered, wears a leper's bell. His unbridled mouth is a weapon of mass destruction. I am fond of him just as I am fond of Cardinal Dolan, another Dickensian figure straight out of Dickens. Both harmless, both men to whom I would entrust the custody of my nine grandchildren, but both singularly lacking a full-time intellect. Harry Reyolds, Scarsdale, New York
- CHEKHOV
August 27, 2012 at 11:46am
Joe Biden has been very good as a kind of modern American reincarnation of the Shakespearean Fool -- not an idiot as in our meaning of the word but more of a court satirist and clown who keeps reminding the actual ruler of what's really going on and deflates pompousness. His "This is a big fucking deal" on the ACA passing Congress was absolutely priceless.
- ironyroad
August 27, 2012 at 12:42pm
!) does no one see the dilemma of these four possibilities in 2016? Biden, whatever, has needed note cards for decades. Clinton, well, maybe Chelsea..., Andrew Cuomo? really? the dem that is not allowed to primary since he scorched McCall? O'Malley is the only name here that makes sense, which says a lot about the current state of whatever is now the Democratic Party. and, 2) am I the only one who thinks Michelle will run if Barack wins a second term?
- K2K
August 27, 2012 at 2:00pm
I’ve known Joe Biden since 1971, and on at least 15-occasion he’s been a guest of The City Club of San Diego, one of three public forums I run (Denver and Boston are the other two). One of our sons interned for Senator Biden, so it’s been more than a casual relationship. I last saw the vice president when he came to San Diego in the first year of the Obama presidency. On that occasion, a late afternoon reception, he was exceedingly generous in talking about our friendship, mentioning it a half-dozen times in his remarks. Did that surprise me? No, that is who Joe Biden is. It’s one reason why people all across the USA love the guy, as they too have been on the end of his flattering comments. I don’t have many mantras but one of them I owe directly to the vice president, “No one ever got mad because you said something nice about them.” I have also said, written, that Joe Biden’s a better human being than I am, and most people who know me think I’m a pretty good human being. In an article I did for a Delaware newspaper I also said then Senator Biden’s political problem was easy to understand, by going home every night to Wilmington, by not being a part of the capital/Georgetown social scene, by not hanging out with media people, he had no conventional bridges to establishment Washington. The fact that he went home every night after long days in the Senate to be with his two sons following the death of his wife and daughter, was never understood by those who, in the most profound sense, lack Joe Biden’s values and moral commitments – which starts with family. As to 2016, it seems a Washington Insider Issue. But given that I’m posting a comment I guess I too am playing the game. If he decides to run for president four years hence he will be a big player, Ms. Clinton or no Ms. Clinton. He will be that because of his moral standing and because there is no audience in the USA, other than national media, that Joe Biden can’t charm; and he can do that, does it, because he’s the Read Deal. What you see is what you get. Finally, as to his supposed “gaffes”, it’s all so stupid and hypocritical. Why? because it comes from media, and if you understand media they almost never write or speak as reporters without their articles or comments having been subjected to numerous editorial review. Their criticism is so absurd as to be laughable. You can’t give as many speeches or interviews as Joe Biden as these past 42-years without, here and there along the way, misspeaking. It’ is the nature of the beast, but media is so compromised by their own arrogance and moral confusion – many, not all – they actually believe we care about their hang ups with the body politic. That said, it was an interesting article by Mr. Schreiber, and my compliments to TNR. George Mitrovich
- cityclub
August 27, 2012 at 2:15pm
Biden is a fine man, and his early years in the Senate following such a tragedy are an inspiration. And he'd most likely make a fine president. My problem is with him as a candidate. Many people write to think. The very act of writing and editing both stimulates and clarifies. Biden talks to think. But you can't edit what has been spoken, just like you can't un-ring the bell. And with Biden, the bell rings often and loud.
- rayward
August 27, 2012 at 3:35pm
I'm a little startled by the number of people here who think Biden is dumb. Biden is far from dumb; he's a very smart guy and incredibly knowledgeable on a wide range of subjects. What's deficient is not his brain, but the filter that's supposed to stand between it and his mouth. But that lack of filter--and, I suspect, a lack of organization--would kill him in a general election.
- Dausuul
August 27, 2012 at 6:41pm
Excellent comments, appropriately dissecting and deconstructing the liberal Ron Paul. Sadly, no one who wants to be President should get to be. Perhaps Biden and Paul should somehow become joint heads of the United Nations. Perhaps a trio, including Putin as well.
- skahn
August 27, 2012 at 8:01pm
If B wants to be a candidate, he can count on me for VP, since both make equal sense.
- basman
August 27, 2012 at 10:05pm
Already worked on our platform: 1. Break up Iraq into three states; 2. Vaunt logorrhea as a big fuckin' deal.
- basman
August 27, 2012 at 10:22pm
If it's Biden vs. Hillary, I hope a third candidate comes along and points out that those two both voted to authorize the Iraq war. I will vote for the third person.
- ATLeft
August 27, 2012 at 11:02pm
if the dems have no rising stars (only O'Malley, really?), might as well let Biden become the McGovern of the 21st century. Biden can choose Charlie Rangel for VP in 2016.
- K2K
August 28, 2012 at 9:54am
Hey k2k how ya' doin?
- basman
August 28, 2012 at 10:17am
hey basman - thanks for asking. I have spent most of this year watching HGTV, and learning so much from contractors in Toronto about fixing stuff. Only way to avoid all US news, but just started paying attention again. Try reading Spengler this week on "North Korea on the Nile" - posted at AsiaTimes and pjmedia. Chilling. Will NOT be renewing TNR in November since it has become a rather strange Obama website. Not that the other options are any less childishly polarized. Killing time is hard work :)
- K2K
August 28, 2012 at 4:04pm
I think the Dems have a few up and coming folks: everyone mentions O'Malley but he doesn't really have a national profile yet; Rahm Emmanuel does, and has the connections; on the west coast are LA mayor Villaraigosa and CA Lt. Governor Newsome, who have been pretty smart politicans, but they may carry too much personal baggage for any presidential ambitions.
- ironyroad
August 28, 2012 at 4:28pm
...Killing time is hard work... Love the proposition and am jealous of your intellectual energy. As I wind down my work, and become increasingly homicidal as to time, I find it too easy to kill and need to ensure I employ more personally demanding means. Plus I hope you stick around though I get your alienation. The place is becoming more and more foreign to me too.
- basman
August 28, 2012 at 4:55pm
"Foreign" is what is now missing from tnr. and the inane posts like the one about Tony Scott? But, to speculate about Biden v Hillary for 2016 is all they got? Why? Because there is no 'bench' in Obama's version of the Democratic Party. What was so interesting about today's WSJ were the two pieces about the GOP 'bench', mostly governors. So, basman, try Spengler at pjmedia, where you can comment, and the author, David Goldman, sometimes responds. His "North Korea on the Nile" was posted today, from his ATimes.com link, at RealClearWorld - last time I checked, we were redrawing the Sykes-Picot maps :) As to killing time watching HGTV? I am in The Great Kitchen Sink Dilemma, so, I am learning a lot about that subject, and surprised at how interesting renovating basements in Toronto for rent can be. I am seriously basement-challenged since the winter. Actually, when you add in my car's transmission, the crabgrass invasion, yada yada, I admit that I just stopped caring about everything. irony: when I was still watching the Sunday news shows (before Feb2012), O'Malley was the ONLY articulate Democrat. Whatever anyone thinks of Howard Dean, he had the sense to go for a 50-state strategy when he was DNC chair. That was how the Dems got their majorities in 2006, assisted by the Bush-DeLay version of the GOP. The new crop of Democratic governors since 2010 seem to be in a tax and spend mode. Even if Andrew Cuomo actually wrestled Medicare into solvency, he has waaay-too-much-baggage, and, not likeable enough, to even consider the presidency. I would have mentioned Deval Patrick, but he has just gone into 'let's-complicate-health-care-reporting' overdrive. And, I am surely not the only person noticing my Verizon bill goes up every month with yet another small state sur-tax. So far, I still vote in NY, but being redistricted into the nether-reaches of Rangel's new CD (he was a no-show at the debate - probably got lost) makes me wonder why bother to care about anything. Plus, the Medicare cuts since 2007 mean I have nowhere to go. Nice to see you here, and not be verbally assaulted. get enough of that inside one of Obama's campaign's email listserv, whenever Israel pops up.
- K2K
August 28, 2012 at 9:37pm
I don't know who should be the next Democratic nominee for President of the United States. As an old person, I have an irrational prejudice in favor of Biden, but as a person who can barely remember my own name, I fret about some one as old as Joe, even if he is more on top of stuff than I am. As an atheist and the father of a lesbian, my vote would go for a lesbian atheist. Are there any such on the horizon? Failing that, I would be open to an extra-terrestial who lands on our planet and displays inhuman wisdom and charisma. There is a pesky clause to the United States Constitution forbidding such elevation, but perhaps there would be a MacBeth interpretation ("not of woman born") that the Supreme Court could cleverly interpret in an alien's favor.
- skahn
November 10, 2012 at 5:04pm
Biden is 20 years younger than Shimon Peres. Livni was trying to convince Shimon to run for prime minister. Old and experienced will always defeat youth and inexperienced. As Reagan said refering to Walter Mondale, ....."I will never bring up the youth and inexperience of my challenger" and he won, brought down the wall, and had his secretary of education declare ketchup is a vegetable and eliminated free breakfast for poor children. Yucks, and there are so many that admire Ronny. The Iran Contra affair ....Ronny said I don't remember....probably was old age.......
- JAIMECHUCH
November 10, 2012 at 10:22pm
Best Jaime comment I've read in a while. Even a stopped clock . . . etc.
- skahn
November 11, 2012 at 4:20pm
I don't see Mr. Biden as a candidate in 2016..... just too old. Having said that I really like the guy on a personal level and admire his political skill. President Obama has been very fortunate to have him as a vice-president. Thank You Joe Biden!
- jeffrow
November 11, 2012 at 4:21pm