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POLITICS OCTOBER 5, 2012

Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation

This election, we’ve heard a lot about divisions that define America. First it was the 99 percent and the 1 percent. Then it was the moochers and the makers. Politicians, of course, love to claim that we are more than the sum of our differences, but the dividers actually have a point. In all kinds of real and practical ways, the United States today is not one nation, but two. 

We’ve come to think of “blue” and “red” states as political and cultural categories. The rift, though, goes much deeper than partisan differences of opinion. The borders of the United States contain two different forms of government, based on two different visions of the social contract. In blue America, state government costs more—and it spends more to ensure that everybody can pay for basic necessities such as food, housing, and health care. It invests more heavily in the long-term welfare of its population, with better-funded public schools, subsidized day care, and support for people with disabilities. In some cases, in fact, state lawmakers have decided that the social contract provided by the federal government is not generous enough. It was a blue state that first established universal health insurance and, today, it is a handful of blue states that offer paid family and medical leave.

In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.

Americans have been arguing over which system is morally and economically superior since the beginning of the republic. But every now and then, the worldviews have clashed and forced a reckoning. The 2012 election is one of those moments.

One of the campaign’s most contentious issues is the Affordable Care Act (ACA)—the legislation that finally mended a gaping hole in the American safety net. Yet already this year, more than a dozen Republican governors have called upon their states to reject or resist the ACA. If they get their way, Americans living in states that implement the ACA will effectively have a right to health insurance. Americans living in the anti-ACA states would not. Now, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are vowing not only to repeal the ACA altogether, but to turn vast swaths of public policy—including Medicaid, food stamps, and housing—over to the states.

This promise gets little attention, but it is one of the most radical parts of their agenda. It would entail a massive transfer of authority away from Washington, arguably unprecedented in U.S. history, in which states would get a lot less federal money for welfare programs and a lot more power over how big those programs should be. The blue states might scrape up the money to replace existing federal funds on their own. Red states would almost surely seize the opportunity to pare back the already meager assistance they provide. Tens of millions of Americans would likely lose health insurance. Millions more would likely lose access to food stamps, the program that has become the primary safety net during the Great Recession.

Romney and Ryan like to say that giving states more autonomy would encourage innovative and efficient solutions to social problems. But what their agenda would really do is undermine modern standards of economic security, creating among the red states a region in which government doesn’t even try to guarantee that everybody can pay for basic necessities of life. It would do nothing less than change the postwar definition of what it means to be an American.

 

The quintessential blue state is, of course, Massachusetts. There, health care is available to almost everybody, regardless of income or preexisting medical conditions. Welfare benefits are among the most generous in the country, and the state spends hundreds of millions on public housing each year. These programs don’t always lift people out of poverty or protect them from financial catastrophe. Still, Massachusetts’s residents get a lot more help from their state government than people who live elsewhere in the United States. It is reliably at the forefront of efforts at the state level to do what the federal government will not. 

 

This may have been what John Winthrop, the early governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony, envisioned when he crossed the Atlantic nearly 400 years ago. Near the end of his journey, Winthrop famously exhorted his fellow Puritans to create a “city upon a hill,” a place where a sense of obligation to the common good superseded self-interest. In colonial times, during their fabled town meetings, New Englanders established America’s first public schools and worked to look after those who had fallen on hard times, even though it meant higher taxes. In Albion’s Seed, a history of colonial settlement patterns, David Hackett Fischer writes that efforts to care for the vulnerable “went beyond the minimum.”

About a century later, a wave of immigrants from central, southern, and eastern Europe arrived in the Northeast and upper Midwest, grafting Catholic notions of social justice and Jewish notions of social responsibility onto the old Yankee sense of mutual obligation. By that time, the industrial revolution was forcing governments in the Northeast and upper Midwest to confront problems of urban poverty and gross labor abuses. Many historians argue that this stew of culture and circumstance helped to create the prototypes for the reforms of the Progressive era and, later, the New Deal—whether it was the minimum wage, which started as a state law in Massachusetts, or Social Security, which was partly based on a public pension program in Wisconsin.

The South was slower to industrialize and slower to take measures to protect the vulnerable. By the time of the Great Depression, most Southern state governments did not provide any form of cash assistance to people in poverty. One likely reason was the region’s own equally distinctive colonial ancestry. Appalachia had attracted fiercely individualistic immigrants from the Scottish and Irish woodlands. Virginia’s founders, meanwhile, were a group of well-educated elites who, unlike the Puritans, wanted to recreate the society they left behind, including its class divisions. People in the South had a “downright aversion to any actual exercise of authority beyond the barest minimum,” W.J. Cash explained in his 1941 classic, The Mind of the South. And as Fischer notes, public spending and taxes in prerevolutionary Virginia were half of what they were in Massachusetts; in Appalachia, the numbers were lower still.

But something else had soured the South on social welfare: race. Programs to help poor people were, inevitably, programs to help African Americans. Southern whites wanted nothing to do with helping former slaves get an equal footing in society. They did embrace the New Deal, in part because Franklin Roosevelt and his allies went out of their way to accommodate their racial sensibilities: Social Security, for example, initially exempted agricultural and domestic workers. By the 1950s, however, the South was once more under attack for its denial of civil rights to African Americans. Later, it came to see the anti-poverty programs of Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society as yet another effort to redistribute money to blacks (even though, like the New Deal, it also helped many whites).

In national politics, champions of the Southern worldview advocated a restoration of power to the states—by, among other things, shrinking the size and scope of the welfare state. They quickly found allies in the increasingly conservative Republican Party, which was launching a counterrevolution against big government. Plenty of Northern whites, it turned out, shared the antipathy toward the War on Poverty. In the 1980s, Ronald Reagan made “devolution” part of his agenda, attempting (unsuccessfully) to turn food stamps over to the states and (successfully) to nominate federal judges who thought the U.S. Constitution dramatically curbs federal power.

The biggest victory for these counterrevolutionaries came in 1996, when Republicans passed a bill, signed by Bill Clinton, to “end welfare as we know it.” The legislation gave states wide leeway over how to manage benefits and, over time, gave them less money to spend. Another major triumph came this summer, when the Supreme Court ruled that the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid was “coercive” and made it easier for states to opt out of that part of the law. Among the first governors to welcome the ruling was Texas Republican Rick Perry, who characterized President Obama’s health care reforms as “brazen intrusions into the sovereignty of our state.” This was fitting, because, just as Massachusetts is the model for the blue state, Texas is the model for the red.

Today, Texas doesn’t even try to provide the kind of protection for its vulnerable residents that Massachusetts does. It has more uninsured residents than any other state in the country; its lawmakers have repeatedly refused money from the federal government to expand health insurance for kids. Its welfare program is among the nation’s stingiest: Eligible families get less than $300 a month, about 19 percent of the federal poverty line. The Texas state housing budget is a mere $5.5 million—a tiny fraction of what Massachusetts spends, even though Texas has almost four times as many people. “There’s no other state money allocated for housing,” says John Henneberger, co-director of the Texas Low Income Housing Information Service, “unless you want to count prisons.”

 

This pattern generally holds for the red states and the blue states overall. In a statistical comparison complied at the request of The new republic, experts Marcia Meyers from the University of Washington and Sarah Bruch from the University of Iowa compared state performances on nine safety net programs for unemployed workers and low-income families. They found that blue states assisted more people in need and provided more generous benefits than the red states—even after adjusting for the fact that the blue states tend to be more expensive places to live. “The story is pretty clear,” Meyers says. “If you are poor, you want to live in a blue state.” 

Blue states also invest a higher proportion of their budget on safety net spending, according to a study compiled by Curtis Skinner, director of family economic security at the National Center for Children in Poverty. This category includes major, means-tested programs like Medicaid and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, as well as smaller programs for foster care, homeless shelters, and so on. The ten “highest expenditure” states are blue states; eight of the ten “lowest expenditure states” are red.

The easiest way to grasp what this means for the actual residents of red and blue America is to look at Medicaid. Although the federal government sets minimum standards for coverage and benefits, states have discretion over how many additional people to include. Based on data compiled by the Kaiser Family Foundation, the five states with the strictest criteria for working parents are Arkansas, Alabama, Indiana, Louisiana, and Texas. The five states with the least restrictive requirements are Minnesota, Connecticut, Maine, Vermont, and Wisconsin. A Minnesota mom with two kids and a job that doesn’t offer health insurance can get Medicaid as long her annual income doesn’t exceed about $40,000. But if she moves to Arkansas, she’ll be ineligible for Medicaid as soon as her household income reaches $3,150 a year—not nearly enough to pay for basic living costs, let alone health insurance.

Romney and Ryan would argue that there’s a virtue embedded in the red-state model. Government handouts, they say, cause dependency and discourage people from working. Most scholars would agree that happens sometimes. But they would also argue that the programs need to be fixed, not obliterated. (It’s the difference between adding a work requirement to welfare and simply slashing its funding.) “Public programs have some unintended consequences,” says Luke Shaefer, an assistant professor of social work at the University of Michigan. But the best evidence suggests that the “benefits far exceed the relatively minor negative effects.”

By nearly every measure, people who live in the blue states are healthier, wealthier, and generally better off than people in the red states. It’s impossible to prove that this is the direct result of government spending. But the correlation is hard to dismiss. The four states with the highest poverty rates are all red: Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, and Texas. (The fifth is New Mexico, which has turned blue.) And the five states with the lowest poverty rates are all blue: New Hampshire, New Jersey, Vermont, Minnesota, and Hawaii. The numbers on infant mortality, life expectancy, teen pregnancy, and obesity break down in similar ways. A recent study by researchers at the American Institute for Physics evaluated how well-prepared high schoolers were for careers in math and science. Massachusetts was best, followed closely by Minnesota and New Jersey. Mississippi was worst, along with Louisiana and West Virginia. In fact, it is difficult to find any indicator of well-being in which red states consistently do better than blue states.

 

If Rick Perry wants to strip the Texas welfare state bare, why should voters in Maine or Oregon care? If anything, the blue states would probably benefit from such a move. Since red states have more poor people, and since their state governments spend less money on the safety net, they receive a larger share of federal funds. Among states that voted Republican in the last three elections, all but one gets more money back from the federal government than it pays in taxes. For most Democratic states, it’s the opposite. Looked at this way, the red states are the moochers and the blue states are the makers. 

But reformers and progressives in the blue states have never been content to ignore what’s happening in other parts of the country. In the nineteenth century, this meant that an African American shouldn’t be a slave just because he lives in South Carolina rather than Vermont. In the twentieth century, it meant that an African American shouldn’t be dispatched to the back of the bus—or barred from entering the voting booth—because she called Birmingham, not Boston, home. The United States was one country, with one set of rights. No state or section had the right to take those away.

Restricting access to public assistance and programs obviously isn’t on the same moral plane as denying people the right to vote or holding them as slaves. But these things should weigh on our consciences all the same. Food stamps keep people from going hungry. Unemployment checks prevent people from losing their homes. Health insurance keeps people from suffering and dying. Food, shelter, medicine—these are basic needs to which all people, and certainly all Americans, should be entitled. Over the course of the last century, from the Progressive era through the New Deal and Great Society, the United States slowly but surely moved toward guaranteeing those things. Giving the red states the power to deviate from this course means giving them the right to undo that progress.

Advocates for the red-state approach to government invoke lofty principles: By resisting federal programs and defying federal laws, they say, they are standing up for liberty. These were the same arguments that the original red-staters made in the 1800s, before the Civil War, and in the 1900s, before the Civil Rights movement. Now, as then, the liberty the red states seek is the liberty to let a whole class of citizens suffer. That’s not something the rest of us should tolerate. This country has room for different approaches to policy. It doesn’t have room for different standards of human decency.

Jonathan Cohn is a senior editor at The New Republic. This article appeared in the October 25, 2012 issue of the magazine under the headline “E Pluribus Duo.

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Jeepers! Tell the Southerners what you really think about them, Mr. Cohn. No stone unturned, not even the Virginia planters who are our most revered founders. I have two comments, both based on my experience as a Southerner. First, my sister, who resided in the low country for most of her adult life, died from cervical cancer 15 years ago. When she was first diagnosed, I called an oncologist friend and asked for the name of the nation's most recognized expert in the treatment of cervical cancer. To my surprise, he was located in the low country, which seemed unlikely to me. My friend told me that the expert wasn't originally from the low country but located his practice there because that's where most of the patients are. Yes, the low country has the highest incidence of cervical cancer in the US. What's the explanation for that? I first thought it might be all the chemical plants located in the low country; chemical plants, and the toxins they release in the air and water, are everywhere in the low country. But that's not the answer, at least according to the experts. The low country has the highest mortality rate attributable to cervical cancer because so many women do not receive routine care including pap smears. It's the absence of regular health care that kills all those women in the low country. My second comment has to do with who benefits from resistance to government. I already mentioned the chemical plants. Not a community in the low country hasn't been affected by the pollution from chemical plants. But it's mostly a silent killer, so few notice (except when the wind blows the pollutants - and smell - to populated areas), not even the wealthy northerners (and presidents and ex-presidents) who vacation on Hilton Head or Sea Island. Then there's the oil and gas industry that dominate in Texas and Louisiana. The same goes for real estate development, especially in Florida, but everywhere in the South. The crystal clear rivers I swam and fished in as a child are so full of pollutants (many nitrogen based) that the algae bloom makes them uninviting to people and wildlife. Of course, it's not the working Southerners who derive most of the benefit from the chemical plants, the oil and gas industries, or the real estate development. It’s the hucksters and the politicians the hucksters have bought who benefit the most. And where do those hucksters come from? Look in the mirror. It’s the DuPonts (chemicals), the Rockefellers (oil and gas), and middle class seniors in the North and Midwest who move to the South when they retire. Cheap chemicals, cheap oil and gas, and cheap real estate. Indeed, working Southerners are victims, whether they be the women who die from cervical cancer as the result of inadequate health care or the residents who have to endure the scars to the landscape and environment from chemical plants and over-development of the land. So rather than treat Southerners as foreign (Guatemala?), look in the mirror.

- rayward

October 18, 2012 at 8:50am

Rayward -- The DuPonts and Rockefellers don't just operate in the South. And those who benefit from the exploitation of workers and the environment don't just live in the North. You can't blame the North for the political choices voters in the South make. Those victims you speak of too often don't vote, or, when they do vote, don't vote in their best interest. They are victims of their own cultural attitudes -- and in many ways those of us in the rest of the country, who do not share those cultural "values" are, in the process, victimized too.

- esmense

February 1, 2013 at 12:48pm

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ray, don't lecture me about looking in any mirror. Cohn never said the people in the north are all saints, significant minorities in northern states want to replicate the Mississippi model in their own states. Go to rural Pa. and talk to the people there. Hydro fracking is ruining the fresh water supplies in large areas of the state, those that had land take the money and run, those that don't sit and suffer. As a Democrat who gives a shit there is only so much I can do besides donate time, money, and my vote. If a majority of America want to believe that the way to a better life is by beggering thy neighbor so they can get table scraps from the rich, then screw the majority of America. If Romney wins you can be damn sure all of my charitable giving will cease as I will have to look for the safety and well being of my own family first and ride out the mittstorm.

- blackton

October 18, 2012 at 9:07am

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Northerners have exploited the South and Southerners for so many years Northerners often forget. Rather than blaming the exploitated, in both the North and the South, how about blaming those doing the exploitating. Dividing Americans, whether by race, class, or region, is a common practice among those who benefit from it. There aren't two Americas, North and South, there is one America; and we are all Americans, not Guatemalan Americans and Scandinavian Americans. Focus on what Americans have in common, not on what makes them different.

- rayward

October 18, 2012 at 9:53am

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"the liberty the red states seek is the liberty to let a whole class of citizens suffer" This is the problem, alright. They cloak it behind noble words, but their actions demonstrate this clearly. "States Rights" these days is merely the latest attempt by Republicans to roll back the benefits of the New Deal. Perhaps they do it on a philosophical basis, they don't want people depending on the Feds. But their philosophy is incorrect -- all it takes is one major hurricane, and even Republicans are asking for "hand-outs" to fix the damage they were too short-sighted to insure for. "Living Cheap" without safety-nets only works if you ignore that times can turn bad -- like the Great Depression, and 2008. When things DO turn bad, everyone needs those safety nets. But Red-Staters largely ignore this, even as they demand Federal action when they need it.

- AllanL5

October 18, 2012 at 10:14am

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Glad to see David Hackett Fischer get some credit. Albion's Seed is the touchstone of understanding the cultural roots of American politics. Wonderful book. Hard to imagine truly comprehending American politics without it. Without the South, the United States becomes Canada. Been slammed for hyperbole lately, but you know what I mean, eh?

- Vogelfam

October 18, 2012 at 11:30am

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Blackton, I've not commented in a while, but what a great turn of phrase: "mittstorm!"

- Yossarian

October 18, 2012 at 11:54am

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I've always thought that one of the most useful indicators of social, economic and political reality is how people, given the opportunity, choose to vote with their feet. While it's not an appropriate analogy to any state or region in the US, the most striking example in recent history would be the need to build the Berlin Wall to keep people from leaving. So-- accepting everything in the article as true, how would Mr. Cohn explain the fact that the wait time for a UHaul trailer to go TO California is zero-- no demand, while the wait time for a UHaul trailer to LEAVE California can be as much as 3 weeks-- LOTS of demand. In 1940 New York had 47 electoral votes and Texas had 23. In 1960, the proportion was almost identical, 45-24. In the current election New York will cast 29 electoral votes, while Texas will cast 38. Somebody voted with their feet. To paraphrase Mr. Cohn, it's impossible to prove that less regulation, lower taxes and freer markets created greater economic opportunity that led to these migratory patterns, but the correlation is hard to dismiss. Maybe the Blues should consider the possibility that their self congratulation is misplaced, that in fact they are more akin to 4th generation rich kids spending through their inheritance, which was provided to them by people whose views on individual responsibility, thrift , freedom and a host of other issues were maybe a lot closer to Rick Perry's than they want to contemplate. Not pounding the table, just observing the real world actions of human beings and reflecting on them. I will say that making promises you can't keep is not within my definition of human decency. A Merry Election Day to You All.

- etduncan

October 18, 2012 at 12:45pm

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The greatest peacetime migration ever was the Black exodus from the rural South to Northern cities after the invention and wide-spread distribution of the mechanical cotton harvester in 1944. Coincidentally, there was a lot of factory work available then due to the war. Ray's got a point blackie. People getting ripped off in Appalachian Pennsylvania shouldn't be put at odds with Southerners in a zero-sum victims contest. We have common interests and enemies. What happened to Mexico? I thought you were relaxing on the beach.

- Robert Powell

October 18, 2012 at 1:55pm

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Having grown up a Westerner in Colorado (back when it was really red) I could tell you that the 70s and 80s growing up in Denver weren't that great. Plenty of industrial pollution, mining tailing pit failures that killed sections of rivers, flagrant disregard for environmental issues, investments in long-term infrastructure was non-existent, and parochial in-fighting among the counties was rampant. Then the oil & gas boom/bust cycles churned every few years until the 80s oil bust took hold. Colorado & in particular the front range had to re-evaluate what to do about it. Slowly, over the last 15+ years, I've watched my home state change from red to purpler to nearly blue - not just in Denver, Boulder and Aspen but across the State where people realized that long-term land planning, infrastructure investments, re-investment in urban centers, funding public schools, museums, arts etc. were something that every citizen of the State deserved. It took Colorado a long time to move past the Old West and transform into the New West. When I moved to the Alexandria, VA area in 2001 and found myself living in the odd convergence of living in a Northern "region" surrounded by a Red state whose rural citizens still harbored ill-will about losing the Civil War. I ran into the odd reality of how divided Virginia itself was. Everywhere outside of Northern Virginia was seemingly poor, rural and at times culturally / socially backwards. NOVA and the DC metro area are the quintessential microcosm of a seemingly divided America. When it came to voting for taxes for infrastructure or schools, the rural & red counties would consistently vote them down, NOVA would vote to raise them despite the fact that NOVA pretty much supported every government function that the rest of the State's citizens enjoyed. The resentments towards NOVA reflected that level of unspoken denial at being subsidized the northern counties. When I moved to New Orleans, I found myself at odds with and how to interact with a decidedly deep Southern culture in south Louisiana. One where, its rural white citizens do not wait for the 'South to rise again' but at the same time see any sort of government support for the poor as handouts to the 'lazy' black populations in their midst. Long time Louisianans and New Orleanians talk about how Katrina cleaned out a lot of the 'trash' and things are getting better. But to talk to Ray's point, the entire Mississippi river corridor is one big long cancer alley, south Louisiana is home to leper colonies and pockets of rare birth defects from being a dumping ground for chemical, shipping, oil and gas industries. We still have chemical spills next to poor, black rural communities that get no warnings. And yet the Republican controlled State Capital and Bobby Jindal administration have effectively gutted programs that benefit the poor and indigent with no back-up options in place. The latest was a massive cut to hospital funding for services for the poor. What was Jindal's response to what happens to the poor? "We HOPE some of the private hospitals will take up these charity cases" but if not, tough fuckin' luck if you're poor and need medical treatment. I've watched a State effectively cut an already pathetic public education system to the bone and hand out vouchers for "charter schools" where teaching your kids that Jesus rode dinosaurs is acceptable science. This is a a State that has barred LSU, UNO and two other Universities from offering remedial courses for incoming freshman in an effort to reduce access to college education by those who have been victims of the Louisiana primary education system. If you can't afford to send your kid to private school, good luck. The State and Baton Rouge in particular has had a history of giving the greater New Orleans area the shaft when it comes to state funding sources for infrastructure improvements and treats NO as a piggy bank. Nearly every parish in Louisiana gets more in government benefits than New Orleans does. NO pays out out more than it gets. NO is also a city unto itself that is seeing a resurgence if you will because of recent investments in long-term infrastructure, medical & bio-district development plans and plenty of FEMA money to rebuild. Couple that with a "Southern liberal" mentality compared to other cities in Louisiana and there aren't any options except to move out of state. Louisiana isn't cheaper than Virginia in some respects. Food is as expensive, gas is the same, rental housing is a bit cheaper but that comes with a price. Open space and national parks are practically non-existent, the environment has been seen as a hindrance more so than a benefit, but that has changed since Katrina. That there is some movement to address wetlands and beach losses to combat rising sea levels and future storm surges indicates that there is some movement towards improvements but the state still has a long way to go. __________ I can't say that any of the States or major cities I've lived in or spent long periods of time in since moving away from Colorado are better than Denver was when I left. I will say that the majority of Blue states I've been in, the quality of life tends to be better, obviously more expensive and certainly a bit more hectic. I don't intend to stay a long time in the South, another 5 year perhaps and then eventually move back to my home state if possible. I think there is something about the Western states that seems to embody the dichotomy of the American bi-polarization that occurs between the Blue and Red states. There is a sense of self-determination, self-reliance and a healthy skepticism of being so libertarian that it clouds the sense of community that makes for good living. I think the greatest disservice the GOP ever did to America was to foster the Southern strategy and transform it into a viral infection that spreads so rapidly that it infects rational thinking about what it means to be American, what it takes to be American and what it takes to keep America going.

- singlspeed

October 18, 2012 at 2:51pm

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The growth of the Sun Belt had nothing to do with politics - it was spurred by the spread of cheap and reliable air conditioning and the building of the interstate system. Before widespread air conditioning no one wanted to live in those areas in the warm months, and before the interstates there was no way for businesses to ship in raw materials and ship out finished goods. The states that remain the most committed to the political beliefs described in the article are the ones that have seen the lower growth, while the states that have seen a lot of growth are also seeing an erosion in support of the GOP. People may have been moving for the last few decades, but their politics aren't changing when they move.

- Attrill

October 18, 2012 at 3:35pm

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This article is all very nice, but it's missing the point when it doesn't mention red states that don't fit the paradigm of Democrat-run states that take care of their citizens and Repulican-run ones that don't-- namely, states in the Mountain West and Upper Midwest. Their citizens tend to be relatively healthy, well-educated, have low levels of social pathology ... and conservative attitudes. While it's fun to laugh at Southern-fried GOP hypocrisy, it's more constructive to look at why places like the Dakotas or Utah are the way they are.

- wildboy

October 18, 2012 at 4:03pm

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Bob, I am on my sabbatical from my Uni and have been back in the states since March just hanging out with my kids. I have no idea what I will do after the year is up. Maybe get a job in the states if there are any to be found.

- blackton

October 18, 2012 at 4:20pm

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My theory is that the Red states are de facto communist states. http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/11bc99/maybe_we_should_label_the_red_states_as_communist/ It's a difficult argument to make because the Red states seem to be so...how do I say?....pro-capitalist. Businesses are independent and none (or so it seems) are owned by the state. But look at the effect. The Red states, particularly Texas, are intent on being large contributors to the GDP and--especially in the case of Texas--providing viable candidates for the Presidency. Let's look at Texas--the quintessential Red State--and how it accomplishes these two feats. Texas for being as great as it is, has a nasty Achilles heel. Texas owns one of its w.c. (workers compensation) health insurance companies. See here: http://www.badsister1984.wordpress.com (In Communism, the government owns its industries.) It also runs its own Health Exchange and has been for 13 years. What are the results? Lower premiums, businesses able to hire more people, and all this while doctors and patients are satisfied and insurance companies stay solvent. Why should Texas or any other Red State be called Communist? Because Texas in particular will do anything to keep its workforce in play, to keep that top notch in GDP contributions, and to keep providing Presidential candidates. All this at the expense of their families and individuals. That sounds like Communism. Ruining your families in order maintain production--that was always the intent of communist Russia. To get ahead, no matter how many people they hurt. Texas, and any Red State, CAN give us proper Health Exchanges--it's been done well for 13 years--but they just won't. Communism, not Guatemala.

- OrangeBird

October 18, 2012 at 4:45pm

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As a Texan, I hoped sincerely that Rick Perry won the Republican nomination. Maybe, just maybe, it would increase scrutiny on how screwed up and disastrous this state's government truly is (of course, eight years of Bush didn't do that at all). The difference between the wealthiest parts of the state (whether the ritzier parts of Houston and Dallas or their cookie-cutter, planned-community suburbs) and the poorest (the inner cities and rural areas, particularly along the Mexican border) is so stark that it is more like the last days of Imperial Russia or the Kingdom of France than the USA. The state categorically refuses to fund its schools (helped by a ridiculous state constitution that forbids statewide taxes), what little money extracted from the poor via the lottery system (earmarked for the schools) is squandered, and poor districts are a public health disaster. Labor protections are, naturally, nonexistent -- your only recourse as a worker are the civil courts system, and the state GOP has done an excellent job of shutting off that last hope via "tort reform" over the last decade. OrangeBird -- Communism seems to be a stretch. The Communists, at the very least, paid lip-service to ideals of human well-being. You have the right idea, though. The South has its roots in a system that was the closest any region of North America besides Mexico ever got to what historians now shy away from calling "Feudalism." It has been ruled from its foundations by men who were stunningly reactionary and clung to their personal fiefdoms with all their might. There were exceptions, of course (Jefferson and the like), but then again even the Russian aristocracy was sympathetic to the revolutions of 1848, though they did relatively little to change their own societies for the better (the parallels to our slave-holding liberal forefathers should be obvious). What Texas has right now is a system designed to enrich the wealthiest here at the expense of the masses -- serfs toiling on the land-holds of their lords. The beggar-thy-neighbor strategies of Perry and the rest of the GOP (poaching jobs from California and other states) is also reminiscent of medieval thinking on the nature of wealth -- there's only so much of it, so you have to take as much as you can at your neighbor's expense. I don't know when Texas will improve. It won't be for a while.

- zuludown

October 18, 2012 at 5:15pm

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"Maybe the Blues should consider the possibility that their self congratulation is misplaced, that in fact they are more akin to 4th generation rich kids spending through their inheritance, which was provided to them by people whose views on individual responsibility, thrift , freedom and a host of other issues were maybe a lot closer to Rick Perry's than they want to contemplate." That's an interesting point of view, etduncan, but it does raise the question as to whether the Blue states have not been rather better at conserving and protecting that inheritance (if the inheritance is the country and not just a set of abstract ideas) rather than blasting through it with abandon on the grounds that, dude, that's what freedom is for.

- ironyroad

October 18, 2012 at 6:13pm

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Jonathan, By any chance have you read the book: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of > North America," by Colin Woodard. I believe the book gives you a good starting point to why the states tend to breakdown between blue and red!

- platingman

October 18, 2012 at 6:37pm

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agree with wildboy, except, when I read this before any comments, I kept thinking of Indiana and Nebraska in addition to the Dakotas. Also add that even blue states have a habit of electing GOP governors when the path needs a change. Sometimes that works (Chris Christie), sometimes it does not (George Pataki). zuludown: "What Texas has right now is a system designed to enrich the wealthiest here at the expense of the masses". Sounds totally like New York, except NY pounds everyone with incredibly high state taxes. income. sales. real estate.

- K2K

October 18, 2012 at 8:44pm

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Wonderful article despite poor title. Single payer advocates applaud your concluding statement, Jonathan. Our current policy leaves millions uncovered but the GOP governors and Mitch's minions are proving downright inhumane. Even in Kentucky--with a Democrat as Governor, our Medicaid patients are suffering under for-profit managed care, and despite a projected rise in Medicaid eligibility levels under ACA, childless singles will still find coverage unaffordable. Despite the ACA's promised subsidies, low-income families will find policies offered in the exchange too expensive or too skimpy.

- hmseil01

October 18, 2012 at 9:58pm

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etduncan, most migrants to Texas come from other southern states like Louisiana. Take oil out of Texas and it would be just a big Alabama.

- blackton

October 18, 2012 at 10:51pm

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There is one quibble or discomfort I have. First - in total, I sympathize with the sentiments and tend to agree with the logic of this whole piece. Not only is the point that red states are net fed taker/moochers one of my favorite argument points with conservatives, but I really think there's substance there, it isn't just a talking point. Having said, that, one thing keeps me from going "all in" with this kind of argument. I live in the sunbelt, which could in some respects be seen as a place slightly inbetween the more polar north/south yankee/dixie divide. I work in a field and even for a company where the average IQ is solidly - very hard data very solidly a full standard deviation above the mean. Someone working in my field, or around it, or for my company, or for any company in our class of companies, basically can be, and routinely is, assumed to be bright, stand-outishly so. A thing I notice: loads of my co-workers come from run-of-the-mill "state" schools. It's basically not really something we ever talk about. We don't care. No one cares. That is ... until someone does, then it kind of sticks out. I sometimes find myself in completely different social contexts, separated from the identify with my field or employer, and I'm jarred by a comparison of pedigree, of which the university one attended is merely the most outward, black/white determinant and sought-out-indicator. What is particularly jarring too, is that often enough, those making downward-vectoring socio-cultural judgments on account of perceived pedigree problems, often don't have much going themselves. Point of the whole long thing ... yeah, on paper the argument seems really good. Logically the argument seems really good. But somehow it just isn't the whole picture. Because at the exact same time that I'm put off by, let's just call it a southern attitude towards aristocracy (they are virtuous and deserve it and should not be taxed) versus poverty (they are vice-ridden and deserve it and should be left to their own) ... I am so much put off by this that I sometimes think the answer is to just let them secede and take the billionaires with them and have their little tax-no-one society and see how well it does for them ... ... on the other hand, I can't let the easterners/northeasterners off the hook. The "write off the poor" attitude isn't there, but in its place is a an active class conscoiusness that comes with a sort of status whoring that doesn't allow me to buy into the comparative virtue. And, when I go to southern states, and I plug into the resentments expressed - widely and openly and often - about the north and yankees etc ... it all seems bound to this same perception, only where I simply bump into the attitude as a matter of context slippage, I think those from the south run into it all the time and it really bothers them. It creates a sense of separation, of tribe and of other and that sense - this is my family, people, group - that overwhelms and washes out any argument on merit.

- dcwood10

October 20, 2012 at 11:17am

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There's more ... to my previous observation, 3 things - overgeneralizations yes but underneath the cliche is a current of truth: 1) Northeasterners tend to project a class-consciousness and southerners tend to project and actually will verbally, consciously defend - class blindness. I'd even put it this way: I have never once had a northerner deny to me the reality of class. I frequently bump into southerners who sincerely do not believe class exists. 2) Northeasterners with their class consciousness - seem to have established social/econo-political administrations to minister better to the lower classes - at the same time as one encounters ubiquitous derision and class-based exclusion when one ventures out northeast. 3) Southerners, except for the highest classes thereof, along with their seeming blindness to class, also suffer very little by way of class mongering. They don't seem to look down on the lower classes ... or better still: they seem to identify WITH the lower classes. Here's even another way to put it: a northerner may look at a person and his misfortune and cough it up to class, then raise the invisible social barriers. A southerner sees a person and his misfortune and, having no sense of class difference, attributes the misfortunes to that person's decisions and vices. He may deride the unfortunate, but it isn't the unfortunates' CLASS that he's deriding the unfortunate for. So there seems to be a tradeoff. If the south - you won't get any help, or any worthwhile, but few will at least openly look down on you or exclude you on account of perceived class differences. In the north, there are administrations and bureaucracies and programs if you are among those who need them - but watch out, because people are watching, sniffing and very definitely excluding based on their perceptions of your association with those ministrations.

- dcwood10

October 20, 2012 at 12:03pm

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