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POLITICS APRIL 17, 2008

We Have to Clean Up Bush's Messes Before We Can Focus on China

In this TNR debate, Steven Clemons of the New America Foundation and New Republic deputy editor Richard Just discuss the appropriate response to the Beijing Olympics. In light of China's manifold human rights problems, what is the right response from fans, Olympic athletes, presidential candidates, and the U.S. government itself? For the first part of the exchange, click here, and for the second part, click here.

Click here to read the previous entry in the conversation.

From: Steven Clemons
To: Richard Just

Richard reads me pretty well. I don’t believe that the U.S. government should throw its weight behind an Olympics-tethered human rights rebuke of China--not because I feel that advocating for human rights is wrong, but because the approach Hillary Clinton is advocating will be ineffective and counter-productive.

To begin this second round, I’ll start where Richard finished. He seems to imply that national security strategists, consumed with unsentimental cost-benefit trade-offs, don’t respect the personal or human dimensions of international conflict. He bristles at my deeming Hillary Clinton’s campaign to nudge George W. Bush not to attend the Olympic opening ceremonies “immature.” I’ll stand my ground on this one.

I began this exchange by highlighting the human face of a Chinese land-rights protestor chained for days on end to a bed frame that TNR wrote about in an Olympics-related editorial last October. I do empathize with Yang Chunlin, just as I do with thousands of other thought-control prisoners in China. I empathize with victims of China’s Internet snooping, whose case files and incarceration some U.S. firms aided and abetted. I can’t speak for the vast profession of national security strategists, but in my own case, I always try to keep in mind the human face of the trade-offs involved in serious statecraft.

That’s why I’m somewhat perplexed by the low bar Richard and other China-focused human rights activists have set in this debate over the Olympics. Richard is right in saying that, at this particular point in American history, I believe that the United States’ eroded national security position due to the missteps of the Bush administration leaves the country with no higher priorities than a focus on the systemic challenges of today. Those challenges are nukes, the stability of the global economy, a potential transnational meltdown in the Middle East, and climate change.

Human rights is trumped as an issue in this day and at this moment because America has so mismanaged its national security portfolio in other areas. This has not always been the case--and will not always be either. When there was relative stability in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War, America failed to use its economic leverage and geopolitical position to push the human rights agenda further forward among competing priorities. Bill Clinton’s first national security advisor, Anthony Lake, gave it a good try--but the reality is that Clinton’s template for a post-Cold War foreign policy strategy was to do whatever was best for the multinational corporation.

Not only do we not have the environment of the 1990s, in which a higher priority for the Yang Chunlin’s of the world would have been eminently achievable, we have now seen America--the so-called beacon on the hill--preside over some of the most outrageous human rights violations in our entire history in Abu Ghraib, Bagram, and Guantanamo. Our protests about human rights violations in China--particularly by our citizens--are worthy and can be inspiring, but our government’s own hand in the promulgation of abuse and the failure to hold senior officials accountable makes any gesture toward China even more hollow than it would otherwise be.

I would find Hillary Clinton’s call for what accounts for not much more than a public-relations stunt “less immature” if she had helped generate a coordinated action among other heads of state regarding the ceremonies. I would have found her position more acceptable had she acknowledged during her criticism that China has been moving at breakneck speed to lift hundreds of millions within its nation out of poverty--at one level a clear improvement in the “human condition” of vast numbers. I could have been less opposed to her call to Bush if she had acknowledged China’s important collaboration with the United States in the Six Party Talks in trying to direct North Korea and its nuclear weapons away from Armageddon scenarios just off Japan’s coast. She would have impressed me had she outlined the common interests that China and the United States have on climate change, managing the clear dysfunction in the global economy, and managing the Iran problem.

But Clinton gave zero context. She spoke just of human rights and suggested a unilateral, uncoordinated stunt that seems designed more to humiliate than to achieve anything. Please tell me--actually, show me--that human rights advocacy is about results and not grandstanding.

When I was recently in China for a McKinsey-sponsored conference called the China-U.S. Partnership Forum, I traveled there with General Wesley Clark. Clark was impressive through the meeting and actually knows quite a lot about China. China’s human rights habits today are roughly the same as they were in November--and yet, I heard no mention from him at the meeting about China’s human rights portfolio.

I do concur that China’s human rights policies have worsened since 2001, but Richard and I would need to do another exchange to weigh how damaging Bush’s “you’re with us or against us” campaign was when it lined up allies in the misnamed “war on terror” who then used the excuse of counter-insurgency to attack domestic enemies.

What was interesting during this McKinsey meeting was that a number of well-decorated People's Liberation Army generals dropped in to see Wes Clark during our conference--telling him that they feared that Taiwan would try to exploit the time when the global spotlight was on China to declare an “independence track.” The generals were wrong about Taiwan -- but not about the general concept. Tibetan protestors clearly followed the track China’s leaders predicted.

So, Richard is correct that the Olympics have triggered protests, and perhaps he is also correct that, in anticipation of trouble, China instituted a preemptive crackdown. The District of Columbia police did the same around the time of the World Bank/IMF spring meetings a few years ago. Is this bad and does it deserve condemnation? Yes. But do the human rights challenges faced by the citizens of China represent today a systemic assault on the global system? My answer--for the unique period of time we are in--is no.

I won’t rehash my earlier points, but I will say that what I find missing in Richard’s calculus that the human rights agenda should trump other concerns at the moment is a concern for those other matters. Do human rights activists have any sense about the national security downsides of stoking virulent, anti-Western nationalism in a place like China? Are they willing to shoulder the blame for breakdowns in nuclear talks and a collapse of collective security arrangements in places where we really need China because of the thrill of getting a president to humiliate a billion people at one of their most proud moments?

Richard thinks it is possible to reach beyond China’s repressive regime and establish common cause and connection with the Chinese public. This may be true, though I doubt that if such a serious effort were made to reach into the DNA of Chinese society that we would find much about our government--which Richard wants to throw into this debate--that they would appreciate. I also think that militant human rights activists tend to look for opportunities like the Olympic ceremonies to push a cause and get press attention, and don’t think enough about how actually to gain substantive progress on the ground. I’m in the camp that thinks China’s leadership can be encouraged down the road of responsible stakeholding in global affairs--and be encouraged, mostly because of its own internal need to do so, to deal with the outrages in its long roster of political prisoners.

Richard and I agree that our publics, our athletes, our NGOs, and the like should follow their conscience in lodging whatever protest they believe they need to--or not. But the President of the United States must weigh many other factors in our bilateral relationship with China. And given the realities of America’s weakened military and economic condition and its very clear dependence on China in a number of fronts--we need to achieve a stronger position in global affairs and confront collaboratively with China some serious systemic threats.

Boycotting the Olympic opening ceremonies will do nothing more than humiliate. Other nations will see us yet again choosing a PR stunt rather than serious results-oriented strategy. China’s leaders and China’s public will be offended, stoking resistance against American calls for cooperation on nukes, climate change, and currencies. And in the end, all of our costs on all other issues related to China will rise.

If human rights advocates could pursue their ends more strategically--and in a way that ensured that America’s portfolio of power was sustained to fight another and another and another day, rather than gambled away on trivial posturing--then I might sign up, but not until then.

Steven Clemons is Director of the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation and publisher of The Washington Note. Richard Just is deputy editor of The New Republic.

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I wish people would stop using the Olympics for their own political purposes. Harassing the torchbearers is a case in point. They are innocent participants in the process. Also, only when the US stops its own human rights violations in Guantanamo and foreign prisons of rendition will it have a non-hypocritical claim on criticizing China.

- Giorgio

April 17, 2008 at 12:00pm

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I'm trying to figure out whether it's worth arguing with someone who calls Abu Ghraib, as bad as it was, "[one] of the most outrageous human rights violations in our entire history". Really? Worse than slavery? Worse than the Jim Crow that followed? Worse than Wounded Knee? And that's just in our fairly short history - older countries have a lot more to answer for. Violating human-rights is a favorite pastime of humans everywhere. And so it drives me nuts when some jackass says basically, "Some of our soldiers engaged in unlawful if non-fatal behavior toward several prison inmates, and so we have no moral standing to tell China not to kill dozens, perhaps hundreds, of protesting civilians in the cause of subjugating an entire population." Yeah, right, that equates. There are honest arguments to be made on both sides regarding our dealings with China, but with this relativism, Clemons shows himself incapable of making them.

- dhauck

April 17, 2008 at 12:42pm

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The proto fascist US gov't under Bush lacks even a shred of moral authority to rebuke anybody about anything. How about some serious journalism for a change?? thomas plagemann san francisco CA

- thomas plagemann

April 17, 2008 at 12:58pm

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Steve: I will have to disagree with you. China has been our natural enemy since Korea. It is and for several thousand years has been a colonial imperialist power. Mao of course was Chinese first and a Leninist second.Although Clinton was naive in trying to reach a rapprochement with China. But Bush actually actively aided China becoming industrialized. The"Art of War" says all about China and its promises. Their culture is just not interested in individual rights. The Family the Village the Nation Confucius proclaims. Perhaps Hillary did go off half-cocked. But Human Rights is the lever to start disengagement from China. We should support moving factories from China to Mexico and go toward returning MFN to a year by year status

- aeolius

April 17, 2008 at 4:49pm

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I am astounded that Richard expressed SURPRISE that Wes Clark knows a lot about China; I guess I assumed that Clemons knew a lot about the General! Well, my mistake I guess!

- EllenG

April 17, 2008 at 8:16pm

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Thank you Steven Clemons for a rare voice of reason on the current mix-up. I am a German working an living in China and I am appalled by the way many politicians and journalists in the West apparently use the human rights Tibet issue to push their own agenda, boycotting and protesting, when in fact achieving just the opposite. The Chinese government uses the current protests effectively to stir national sentiment, in effect fostering its own power position. In the same vein, Chinese people become offended and hostile to the Western countries (think of the latest boycott of French products...). Think about it, China is a young country, most people have grown up with Tibet being treated as a part of China, they are aware that there are problems, but these are seen as INTERNAL and nothing outsiders should get involved in. So generally with human rights issues in China. The Chinese I know feel that the Olympics are a event of friends coming together to compete and celebrate. If you boycott, you spit on friendship, the worst you can do in China (and, I think, anywhere else too). Were the US holding the games, would they be happy about booycotts, would the US government close down Guantanamo and retreat from Iraq as a result of protests abroad. I doubt it. A boycott of the games would destroy our ability to approach the Chinese government and the Chinese people on equal terms, as partners and concerned friends, about the issues we deem important. In this context, already the Tibet protests and the attacks on the torch relay are a disaster. People in the West swinging the human rights bat at China may feel good about themselves for the moment. Those actually suffering from human rights violations will not get anything out of this. Instead, they will as a result suffer even more once the games are over and people in the West turn away again, to presidential elections or whatever.

- Julian.Blatt

April 17, 2008 at 11:26pm

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I must say that I came into this rip-roaring and ready to dig into Mr. Clemons. I mean, who could say that "human rights" wasn't the most important national interest the United States could defend? Then I read his arguments and began to understand his reasoning. Turns out I agree with him. And to tell the truth, it all comes down to one very important factor: The President has no ground to stand on. It's not that human rights aren't the most important thing - notwithwithstanding nuclear threats and global economics - it's that for this President to try to tell anyone else to respect the Rights of Man after he, himself, has shown that he has literally no respect for them would be utterly worthless. Another President, who had observed the rules and honored the Laws of War, who had not squandered all hard-earned moral credibility of his country might have some positive impact by a symbolic snubbing of an oppressive government. But George W. Bush is not that President.

- JC Garrett

April 18, 2008 at 1:33am

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Human rights is trumped as an issue in this day and at this moment because America has so mismanaged its national security portfolio in other areas. This has not always been the case--and will not always be either. When there was relative stability in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War, America failed to use its economic leverage and geopolitical position to push the human rights agenda further forward among competing priorities. Bill Clinton's first national security advisor, Anthony Lake, gave it a good try--but the reality is that Clinton's template for a post-Cold War foreign policy strategy was to do whatever was best for the multinational corporation. Clinton didn't give a flying f*** about human rights because he was too busy getting sucked off. America has historically talked a good talk on human rights but have not done anything. To his credit, Clinton intervened in Bosnia. To his discredit, he ignored Rwanda. To Bush's credit, he's been pushing an agenda of freedom in the world and has freed more people from tyranny than anyone has post-WW2. Bush has not done enough on the Sudan however. This is a horseshit article because it implies that because we are "warmongers" we're not qualified to question China's lack of human rights. Lefties never factor in intent; we have the best intentions at heart for Americans, Iraqis, and Afghanis. China's political leaders have only their own best interests in mind when they crack down on human rights.

- JWL2672

April 18, 2008 at 1:43pm

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Of course, JWL. We destroyed Iraq to save all the poor, un-free Iraqis. We continue to kill them in the tens of thousands because they are not quite "free enough" yet. There are over 2 million of these "liberated" people who have abandoned their homes to live in refugee camps in other countries. An additional 2 million newly "tyranny-free" Iraqis are internally displaced, having fled their homes to escape American bombs and sectarian civil war. Life expectancy in all age groups has significantly deteriorated since Bush decided to "push his agenda of freedom" in Iraq. Even 5 years after their "salvation" was generously bestowed upon them by our gracious, omnipotent government, they get fewer hours of electricity than before we "rescued" them. Far fewer Iraqis have access to clean drinking water. 80% of Iraqis polled say they are worse off than when Saddam ruled. 90% say that they feel less safe than before we took it upon ourselves to make them safe. 75% say they want Americans to leave now. But we had the best of intentions. That's all that matters, right?

- JC Garrett

April 21, 2008 at 10:23pm

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