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Have We Lost Egypt? A Dialogue on Islamists, Reactionaries, and American Diplomacy

After weeks of political intrigue and street violence, Egyptians will vote this weekend on a controversial new constitution. TNR asked two analysts with differing perspectives on events in the region, Nathan Brown and Eric Trager, to weigh in on the immediate and long-term future of the world's most influential Arab country.

TNR: What exactly is in the newly drafted Constitution? Does it really privilege Islamists?

Nathan Brown: Most of the complaints in Egypt about the document are about process—who wrote it and how—and far less about content. You might be surprised at how little Islam enters into the vast majority its clauses. It is true that a couple of the religious provisions of the 2012 draft constitution are ramped up slightly compared to the 1971 constitution it is designed to replace. But those changes are not the product of Muslim Brotherhood pressure; they are the outcome of careful negotiation among various political forces. If they turn out to pack a punch in the coming years—and they might—it will be because of who is at the head of critical state institutions. This document does not establish a theocracy or anything close to it, but if there is a clear majority party it will enable it to pass a wide range of laws and probably slowly reshape parts of the state apparatus. There are many things for a liberal to like as well, I should add, but far less than might have been expected a year ago.

Eric Trager: It's true that the constitution does not inherently privilege Islamists. But a number of key passages provide Islamists with a substantial foothold for instituting their authority and advancing their agenda. Articles 2 and 219 privilege religious doctrines in political debate, which create a substantial advantage for Islamists in drafting legislation. Article 11 authorizes the state to "safeguard ethics, public morality, and public order, and foster a high level of education and of religious and patriotic values," thereby carving out a potentially large role for Islamists to enforce religious doctrines. And Article 44 prohibits the "insult or abuse of all religious messengers and prophets," which provides an opening for Islamists to use religious justifications for curtailing free speech.

Nathan is correct when he writes that these changes in the constitution's religious language are "the outcome of careful negotiation” and "not the product of Muslim Brotherhood pressure."  But it is worth noting that the "political forces" with which the Muslim Brotherhood negotiated these new clauses are, in fact, radical Salafists. This may be a sign of things to come: rather than being a broadly inclusive democracy, Egypt could become a competitive theocracy, in which two distinct visions for Islamic rule—that of the Brotherhood and that of the Salafists—vie for dominance, while the space for non-Islamists rapidly shrinks. I agree with Nathan that the constitution does not establish a theocracy; indeed, Article 5 stipulates that "Sovereignty is for the people alone", and not God. But given Egypt's current political dynamics, in which Islamists remain the best mobilized political force, Islamists will likely be the first to interpret and implement this constitution draft.

Brown: Let me point to two areas where I would not go as far as Eric does. First, with regard to the bargaining over the religious clauses, my impression is somewhat different than his. I do think Islamists served themselves well in the draft document. And yes, Salafis were involved—but so were non-Islamists, representatives of al-Azhar, and Christians. All of these other forces were very worried about Salafi attempts to put real teeth and specificity in the constitution's provisions for the Islamic shari'a. I do not see the result only as a result of an Salafi-Brotherhood bargain; such a document would have looked quite different.

Second, Eric and I may have a terminological difference that may have some significance for how we read the document. If I understand correctly, he uses the term "theocratic" to mean strongly religious and in opposition to "democratic." I take a real theocracy to be one which grants political authority to those who claim religious authority or that gives a religious role to political authority. That would be anti-democratic. But that is not what this document does. (The closest it comes is article 3, which gives an advisory role to a body of religious scholars in al-Azhar.) Instead, whatever religious flavor emerges—and it could be a very strong one, especially over time—will happen directly through, rather than working around, the democratic process. 

TNR: Morsi has repeatedly cited his concern that Mubarak loyalists within the state and in society are trying to subvert his government. Is that a real cause for concern?

Trager: It is certainly true that members of the old ruling party and Mubarak appointees remain active, particularly on the judiciary. But the available evidence suggests that the Brotherhood's concerns are more due to paranoia than an actual campaign of subversion by the "deep state." For example, the Muslim Brotherhood points to the Supreme Constitutional Court's decision to invalidate parliamentary elections, while at the same time striking down a law that would have prohibited old ruling party leaders from entering politics, as the ultimate proof of subversion from Mubarak partisans.  But the SCC invalidated the elections because their structure disadvantaged independent candidates, which was, in fact, the same reasoning that the courts had used to invalidate elections under Mubarak in 1987 and 1990. It is also worth noting that SCC chief Farouk Sultan, despite being a Mubarak appointee, oversaw the comission that declared Morsi the winner of Egypt's presidential election. 

Brown: The Brotherhood has undoubtedly made mistakes as a result of succumbing to its own anxieties. Yes, various parts of the state apparatus were resistant to the Brotherhood; Egypt's Islamists have real adversaries who do not always play fair. But Egypt's judicial actors, the Supreme Constitutional Court, weren't simply acting as Mubarak cronies; they were primarily interested in protecting their own autonomy.  

Aside from his sudden move reshuffling the top military brass in August, Morsi seemed to be moving slowly to assuage and persuade such actors. The constitutional process also offered the promise of a slow renegotiation of the rules of the political game and reshaping of the Egyptian state. That process was moving in the Brotherhood's favor, despite resistance from inside and outside of the state. But by treating political challenges as a mortal threat, the president and the Brotherhood have turned smoldering rage into a horrific blaze. The president may well win, but it could be a Pyrrhic victory of sorts. 

TNR: Assuming that the constitution wins the referendum, do you think the liberals and others who boycott will ever recognize its legitimacy? Do you anticipate they will also boycott the next elections?

Brown: If the referendum proceeds and passes, it will engender bitterness.  Blood has been shed and both sides see themselves as victims of the other.  And it may engrain some bad habits--for Islamists to push for voting no matter what, and for their opponents to see taking to the streets as the only option.  Could it eventually evolve in a healthy direction? Yes, that is possible. It is difficult to envision all of the opponents of Islamism permanently boycotting parliamentary elections.  Some will run. And if they manage to transfer their obvious energies to parliamentary election campaigns, there might be a viable opposition in parliament.  

Trager: But the non-Islamists would likely lose badly in parliamentary elections. Despite anticipating these forthcoming elections for many months, the non-Islamists have not done any kind of campaign organizing or serious party building. And though the non-Islamists have twice demonstrated their ability to unite against the Muslim Brotherhood—during the second round of the presidential elections, when Mubarak's former prime minister Ahmed Shafik got 48.2% of the vote, and during the current anti-constitution protests—they otherwise remain deeply divided among leftists, socialists, communists, Nasserists, Christians, ex-NDP members, and a handful of liberals. And within each of these categories, there are multiple parties that will cancel out each others votes. The Brotherhood, by contrast, is structured to ensure its cohesion.  

Brown: Perhaps, if the Islamists falter in governing or manage another clumsy misstep the opposition could eventually make some significant electoral gains, and that would serve to settle both sides. But both camps have dug themselves in so deeply now, it is difficult to see such an optimistic scenario developing right away. The best that can be hoped for is a very slow healing, and that process has not even begun.

TNR: How would you assess America's diplomacy towards the Morsi government so far? What do you think the United States policy towards Egypt should change in the months and years ahead?

Trager: My own view is that the administration is correct in seeing no real alternative to Morsi, but wrong in believing that Morsi or the Muslim Brotherhood can be partners on foreign policy in the long run. In recent months, the Muslim Brotherhood has signaled repeatedly that it intends to move against our interests: the group's Supreme Guide has called for jihad for Jerusalem twice in the past two months, including right after the Gaza ceasefire; a top foreign policy official declared in November that Morsi is ending normalization with Israel slowly; and the Brotherhood's political party has been drafting legislation for the next parliamentary session on unilaterally amending the treaty. Moreover, it's worth noting that the Brotherhood repeatedly turns on its allies. (Consider, for example, the case of April 6th Youth leader Ahmed Maher, who prominently supported Morsi during the second round of the presidential elections but, after opposing Morsi's power grab, was accused by the Brotherhood of leading "thugs" in demonstrations.) If the Brotherhood has no qualms about turning on its most prominent non-Brotherhood supporters within Egypt, it will have even few qualms about turning on America.

This is why it's so important for the Obama administration to push back on Morsi's domestic power grab now, by raising public concerns over the legitimacy of the constitutional referendum. Failing to do so will convince the Brotherhood that it can get away with anything, and encourage them to move to act on their foreign policy ambitions sooner.

Brown: Underlying the differences between Eric and I is one area of agreement: the Brotherhood's rise represents a challenge for the U.S. because the movement's policy preferences are very much at odds with U.S. policy in the region. Even under the best of circumstances, that will require readjustment.  And the best of circumstances do not seem to be likely to prevail any time soon.

The question posed to us is what to do about it. And here we have to factor in not only policy preferences but tools. I worry that our position is simply not one that will alow us to convince the Brotherhood (or its opposition) of anything. I think we do have some ability to affect the course of Egyptian political reconstruction, but our preferences simply cannot be automatically translated into outcomes. If we wish to have a more stable and consensual political environment in Egypt (and I think we do), then we can communicate to the president that his international standing will depend in part on his ability to represent the entire Egyptian nation--and that requires that he act like a president, not a partisan figure, and reach out with real and tangible concessions to the opposition. We can speak to the opposition to, although here we need to be careful. Eric's suggestion that we treat the referendum as illegitimate would essentially be seen as partisan; worse, it might encourage the those elements within the opposition who tend to rally around maximal demands and then look for some savior—the army, the judiciary, and now us—to deliver them from the choices of their own fellow citizens. A set of realistic demands (such as constitutional amendments, a requirement of super-majorities in parliament on critical issues, and more robust guarantees for international human rights standards) might be promised a sympathetic international ear.

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The future of Egypt? He who supplies the wheat to make the bread will rule. eventually. "...Article 44 prohibits the "insult or abuse of all religious messengers and prophets," ..." is really significant; more than just a way to limit free speech. It seems this group starts with Adam, and includes Noah, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Kings David and Solomon, and Jesus and John the Baptist. Is this the foundation for Sunni islam's claim to Jerusalem? Do they really believe Adam was the first muslim?, that all the peoples of the book were muslims, but did not know what that meant until the prophet Mohamed?

- K2K

December 14, 2012 at 5:53pm

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K2K Muslims see all the prophets from Adam to Muhammad as messengers of the same God, bearing some of God's message appropriate to their time and place, culminating in the Quran. Muslims also distinguish between formal Muslim, meaning someone who prays and fasts and does the Islamic rituals etc, and anyone who submitted to God at any time or place. The word Muslim has two meanings, Moses is the Prophet of the Jews and is a Jew, he is also considered a Muslim in the broader sense, but not in the specific sense when I use it to refer to actual practicing Muslims.

- nayyer_ali

December 15, 2012 at 2:07am

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I think it is unfortunate that MB has been able to dominate this critical phase of writing a constitution, it would have been better if the secular forces had been strong enough to shape the document. I do think it is ridiculous to talk of "losing" Egypt, it didn't belong to the US in the first place. I do think that we are merely at the beginning and it will be 2-3 decades to see what the Arab Spring really created. I do think that the MB may dominate government for a while, but it will not be able to avoid free elections, and it may find itself voted out of office in the next decade if it fails to deliver or overreaches. I think the key is that the process be allowed to work, and that America does not panic over the results. Egypt may not be an ideal liberal democracy, but how closely did we achieve that in the US in 1787? It does take time to transform societies. The Arab states deserve that opportunity. One item that I think is overlooked is how political Islam is much more successful in the Arab countries than in non-Arab. Indonesia, PAkistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia all have weak Islamist parties that play little role in national politics. Even in Turkey, the AK Party is a pale imitation of the MB. The AK are mostly pushing back against the hypersecular Ataturk state, but it is not a truly Islamist party. Why the difference between the Arab and non-Arab Muslim nations? I don't know but an interesting question.

- nayyer_ali

December 15, 2012 at 2:15am

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Egypt is being lost to the Western world. Cavafy was a Greek poet in Alexandria. Although a Mediterranean country once part of the Greco-Roman world, it is becoming even more Islamist and Arab. The MB has no intention of sharing power in the long run. It has already sent out street gangs to beat pro-democracy activists and rape the women among them. It aims to terrorize society. Unlike Nayyer Ali, I don't think we should be complacent about this development. We must compete vigorously for cultural and political influence in Egypt, or else it will become a platform for further Islamist aggression. Already, Islam is curbing freedom of speech and (other) religions and carving out No-Go areas in western and northern Europe. A debate about Islam and evolution was cancelled due to Muslim pressure in London. See Independent: Debate about Islam and Evolution. The Islamist AK party in Turkey is also willing to fight with brass knuckles. They have arrested and imprisoned hundreds of secular military officers. It has terrorized the news media. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, Turkey is one of the worst offenders against press freedom. Imprisoned-journalists-sets-world-record.

- amidut

December 15, 2012 at 8:59am

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The last time Egypt was part of the Greco Roman world was the 7th century.

- nayyer_ali

December 15, 2012 at 11:56am

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But Egypt remained majority Orthodox Christian until the 12th Century.

- amidut

December 15, 2012 at 1:53pm

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nayyer_ali: Please tell islam to stop stealing history. seems to be the only way they can steal Jerusalem, and ignore the Ten Commandments. The world can not wait 20-30 years "to see what the Arab Spring really created", but I am glad that St Catherine's monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai has a written letter of protection, signed by Mohamed himself. One treasure of Christianity may be safe from MBEgypt. "Why the difference between the Arab and non-Arab Muslim nations?" Perhaps because islam was spread by the swords on horseback, out of Arabia, but later spread east via muslim traders along the coasts of the Indian Ocean where Buddhism and Hinduism had already been long established. Java, Indonesia also incorporated animist traditions. Aceh, the sultanate of Sumatra that is the southern boundary of the Straits of Malacca, was an exception; already recognizable to Sunni Moroccan scholar Ibn Battuta as true islam on his amazing journeys 1325-1340 CE. I am still undecided if Sudan or Pakistan was the British Empire's #1 mapmakingmistake. Tough contest when Iraq, and what was briefly called the Palestinian Mandate, are NOT the top 2 mistakes. Took seven years of study to figure out islam is a totalitarian ideology that pretends to be a religion while it's 1,400 year schism goes unresolved. Someone should send a history of the Thirty Years War 1618-1648CE to every muslim. Maybe they could see . oh. never mind.

- K2K

December 15, 2012 at 9:06pm

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A good short analysis of the Arab spring by VS Naipaul as transcribed by Isaac Chotiner in TNR: "IC: You were saying you see no hope in the Arab Spring. VSN: I didn’t say that. You asked me whether I thought it was a great thing. I thought it was nothing really. It would come and go, and we’ll be back where we started. IC: And where is the place that we started? VSN: Chaos, one-man rule, which is how these things usually end in the Muslim world."

- rmakover@swbell.net-OLD

December 16, 2012 at 9:41am

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