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POLITICS MARCH 13, 2012

The Higher Education Monopoly is Crumbling As We Speak

In the last years of the nineteenth century, Charles Dow created an index of 12 leading industrial companies. Almost none of them exist today. While General Electric remains an industrial giant, the U.S. Leather Company, American Cotton Oil, and others have long since disappeared into bankruptcy or consolidation. Today, the Dow Jones includes giant corporations that hadn’t even been created when Ronald Reagan first sat in the Oval Office. That transition is generally understood as the natural consequence of innovation and competition in a changing world.

Four years after Dow invented his average, a group of 14 leading research institutions created the Association of American Universities. All of them exist today. While a few have faded from prominence, most of the original members—including Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Berkeley, and Yale—are now, as they were then, the most sought-after and well-regarded American universities.

The historic stability of higher education is remarkable. As former University of California President Clark Kerr once observed, the 85 human institutions that have survived in recognizable form for the last 500 years include the Catholic Church, a few Swiss cantons, the Parliaments of Iceland and the Isle of Man, and about 70 universities. The occasional small liberal arts school goes under, and many public universities are suffering budget cuts, but as a rule, colleges are forever.

I think that rule is going to change, and soon. Many factors explain the endurance of higher education institutions—the ascent of the knowledge economy, their crucial role in upper-middle class acculturation, our peculiar national enthusiasm for college sports—but the single greatest asset held by traditional colleges and universities is their exclusive franchise for the production and sale of higher education credentials.

In the last few months, however, that monopoly has begun to crumble. New organizations are being created to offer new kinds of degrees, in a manner and at a price that could completely disrupt the enduring college business model. The question is: Which colleges and universities will be the G.E. of the twenty-first century, and which will be as forgotten as U.S. Leather?

 

THE FIRST SIGN came in mid-December, when the trade publication InsideHigherEd wrote about a group of adjunct professors at Stanford University who were offering their courses in Artificial Intelligence and other computer science topics to anyone in the world, online, at no charge. Tens of thousands of students had signed up. The availability of free Internet courses itself wasn’t all that innovative—MIT’s Open Courseware initiative is a decade old and elite schools like Yale and Carnegie Mellon have followed suit. The news was that the Stanford professors were letting students in their global classroom sit for the midterm, at proctored sites around the world. Those who did well on the A.I. test and a later final exam got a letter saying so, signed by the professors, a pair of well-known roboticists from Silicon Valley.

A few days later, MIT made a major announcement: The world-famous research university would be creating a new non-profit organization called MITx. It, too, would be offering free online courses, designed from the ground up to serve tens or even hundreds of thousands of students worldwide. And it, too, would administer exams to students who, if they passed, would receive a certificate saying so from MITx.

Then, in January, the online higher education company Straighterline announced that, starting this year, its students would be able to take skills and literacy tests developed by ETS, the maker of the SAT, and from the non-profit Council for Aid to Education, whose well-known Collegiate Learning Assessment of higher-order critical thinking and communication skills is used by hundreds of colleges and universities. Those who do well on the exams will get a certificate saying so. The following week, the Stanford professors announced the creation of an independent for-profit company called Udacity, backed by Silicon Valley venture capital, that will offer the same computer science classes that proved so popular, and, again, certificates to those who pass exams.

What all of these new ventures have in common is that they are outside of the existing system of college credits and degrees. The traditional college degree monopoly has long been sustained by three mutually-reinforcing factors. First, colleges are highly subsidized through some combination of direct government funding, non-profit status, and student financial aid. Second, only accredited colleges can receive government subsidies and offer credits and credentials that are recognized by employers and other colleges. The accreditation system, meanwhile, is controlled by existing colleges themselves. Third, our society has made an enormous psychic investment in the idea of traditional colleges. Most people don’t know how to think about credentials any other way.

Straighterline, Udacity, and MITx exist outside of that system. They aren’t accredited or subsidized. The value of their credentials will rest on nothing other than the authority of the grantor and the transparency of the process by which they were granted. That’s why it’s highly unlikely that these credentials will be worth as much in the job market as traditional degrees at first. But in that sense, they fit perfectly with the classic theory of disruptive innovation.

 

DEVELOPED BY Harvard business school professor Clayton Christensen, the theory holds that there is a consistent pattern across a wide range of industries where disruptive competitors start by competing against non-consumption—that is, by selling inferior goods to people who aren’t served by existing producers. These are generally low-margin businesses that existing industry leaders have little interest in serving because they became industry leaders by selling the best, most profitable products to the consumers who have the most money. But over time, the new competitors get better and better at providing the product or service, expanding into successively more profitable parts of the market, until finally they displace the incumbents.

Online colleges like to apply Christensen’s theory to higher education. But the way they apply it is often imprecise. The common analogy is between online courses and in-person courses. While an online class might not be as good as sitting in a classroom being taught in person by a learned scholar, the thinking goes, online courses are cheaper and getting better all time and so will eventually disrupt the providers of live instruction.

But just as people are ultimately interested in buying holes, not drills, higher education consumers aren’t buying courses or degree programs. They’re buying credentials. And until now, nobody has developed an innovative low-cost alternative to traditional higher education credentials. We’re still stuck with the handful of crude, time-based degrees that have been in use for decades or more. The vast majority of college students acquire an associate’s, bachelor’s, or master’s degree, corresponding to two, four, or six years attending school.

College credentials are a fantastic product to be selling in the twenty-first century. They’re pure intellectual property with a very low marginal cost of production and becoming more valuable all the time, as the economy continually reorganizes itself in a way that values the possession of deep knowledge and complex cognitive skills. They are universally recognized and never expire, golden keys to the parts of the labor market most worth entering.

Traditional colleges and universities exploit their monopoly over this market by overcharging students in order to generate revenue to support things that are important to them. Those things include producing academic scholarship, fielding cash-hemorrhaging professional sports teams, engaging in positional status competition with rival colleges, and avoiding the difficult work of overhauling inefficient administrative and organizational structures in which too many people get paid too much money. Online for-profit colleges haven’t disrupted the industry because while their business methods are different, their product—traditional credentials in the form of a degree—is not.

That’s why the recent emergence of new credentials is so significant. Companies like Udacity and Straighterline can operate without government subsidies and regulatory protections because their method of service delivery is phenomenally cheap at scale. The cost of serving 200 students isn’t that much less than serving 200,000. The predominant higher education business model of the future may be one where the education itself costs students nothing—the availability of free open educational resources is constantly growing—and students only pay small fees to cover the cost of assessing their learning.

The number of organizations offering outside-the-system credentials will only grow. The free online Khan Academy got tons of press coverage last year for Salman Khan’s charming instructional videos. Millions of students have watched them. Khan Academy also offers “badges” to students who pass certain milestones—“Artisan Arithmetrician,” “Master of Trigonometry,” and the like. These are just another kind of non-traditional educational credential. The Mozilla Foundation, funded by the people who developed the Firefox web browser, are sponsoring a competition for the creation of badge systems that will help students organize the credentials they receive from different providers.

The great unanswered question is when the abundance and quality of new credentials will reach a critical mass of acceptance among employers and society at large. Traditional degrees have the great advantage of being simple and universally understood. The problem is that they provide little information about what students actually know and are becoming more expensive all the time. The catalyst will probably be when some large, authoritative organization, like the government or a current member of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, compares the skills and performance of people with traditional degrees to those bearing certificates from Khan, Udacity, and credential-granters yet to come. If the latter can get the job done, they’ll hire accordingly, and then everything will start to change.

MIT seems like an early candidate for the General Electric role, the university that not only outlasts its peers but grows into a huge world-striding organization. Unlike Stanford, MIT is putting its brand name behind the new credentials. It can afford to, because the world will still need places where great researchers push the frontiers of human knowledge and the best and the brightest come together to learn. There will always be a market for boutique educational models that only the wealthy can afford. But for hundreds of other colleges and universities that lack such advantages or foresight, the future may not look anything like the past.

Kevin Carey works for Education Sector, a think tank in Washington, D.C.

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Wondering while reading this if the new owner of the New New Republic is part of the internet education industry.

- arnon1

March 13, 2012 at 12:26am

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Damn. All that money I wasted on that old-fashioned "PhD in physics" credential, when all I really needed was an iPad, some charming videos, and a few parts from Radio Shack for making my own oscilloscope, lock-in amplifier, spectrum analyzer, industrial laser, liquid helium tank, millikelvin calorimeter, small nuclear reactor, and 12 meter radio telescope conveniently located on a small 6500 foot mountain in my backyard.

- krlong014

March 13, 2012 at 12:52am

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arnon1, we can't blame it on the new owners. Kevin Carey has been repeatedly publishing minor variations on this same article for the last few months.

- krlong014

March 13, 2012 at 12:54am

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More seriously: many university courses and majors are bullshit, and bullshit traditional credentials will be easily replaced by bullshit online credentials. I will not shed any tears at their disappearance. But substantive university-level training in the sciences and humanities isn't just watching lectures and reading and taking online exams. The real meat is in the classroom experience of a small group of students working interactively with a hard-ass professor who makes them question every assumption and justify every argument. No video course, no matter how charming, can do this. It can be done remotely, but it cannot be done without a small class having personal interaction with an instructor. Even if I'd had the resources to run fully-loaded labs in physics and chemistry and biology in my basement to accompany my online study for my Mad Scientist credentials, I'd have missed that splendid philosophy professor who stimulated vigorous discussion and then picked apart our arguments in detail. I'd have missed the several profs and TAs in physics and math who took the time to take me way beyond the level of the course in response to my persistent questions. My wife, a one-time literature student who went on to study mathematics, would have missed that amazing seminar on Yeats where she learned to think as rigorously about literature as she later would about math; no math course ever challenged her in quite the same way. Talk to any truly educated person, and there will be teachers and courses like this in their background. Take that away, and we'll be left with "credentials" but no learning.

- krlong014

March 13, 2012 at 1:41am

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As the senior dean said to a group of students (including a friend of mine) that was protesting something at Harvard in the late '70s -- "You are here until you graduate; I am here until I retire; Harvard will be here forever."

- ironyroad

March 13, 2012 at 3:34am

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On-line courses from prestigious colleges are great; I've been viewing Yale's for several years (in religion, history, subjects I find interesting). What Carey doesn't mention is that the same prestigious colleges have done what any monopolist would do: limit supply and increase the price. Freshman enrollment at the prestigious colleges hasn't changed significantly in, well, forever. Rather than offer on-line courses of dubious value to the "student", how about increasing the supply. It's worth mentioning that some almost presitigious colleges (prestigious but just below the Harvards, Yales, etc.) are increasing freshman enrollment. By a lot. Now that's the kind of "innovation" that old man Dow would appreciate.

- rayward

March 13, 2012 at 9:45am

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krlong14 - I think we entirely agree. Bullshit majors, courses, and credentials will be replaced by something cheaper and better, while legitimate high-cost / high-value education will endure. Getting a PhD in physics will remain much as it is. But PhDs represent only a tiny fraction of all degrees awarded. - Kevin Carey

- kcarey1111

March 13, 2012 at 9:57am

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Is this really true? " The cost of serving 200 students isn’t that much less than serving 200,000." What does it mean to "serve" a student? Provide one on one feedback on the work they do as opposed to just providing information that they are on their own to digest? If it's the latter, then I don't think there's anything these new institutions provide that libraries didn't provide before (or now). Check out a book, read it, turn it back in, repeat as often as you like. You don't even need a computer. Or electricity. Perhaps service delivery has been improved (perhaps) but that's all. I think what students (and the taxpaying public) are purchasing through higher or lower ed is the opportunity to engage in subject matter (however that may be required) with someone who has a degree of expertise in it. You are paying for a person's one on one attention. The credential received is one person's evidence that the student has developed a degree of mastery in the subject. How can this be done as cheaply with 200,000 students as opposed to 200? Its not about exposure, its about mastery. That takes time, effort and money - at least it seems to me. And regarding this talk of bullshit - I notice a lack of specifics. Is there any agreement about what is and is not bullshit? I can guarantee you that many students consider math and science bullshit, and given the option, would not take them. Do we risk mathematical illiteracy based on market demand? Warts and all, a state sponsored curriculum - properly designed - gives us a guarantee that people with degrees have the broad base of education necessary to keep the republic. At least it seems to me.....

- kevinjefferies@hotmail.com

March 13, 2012 at 10:24am

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I assume that some subjects are better suited to online learning than others. Those courses in which memorization and information are more important than abstract thinking and analysis. The learning would also depend on the kind of feedback the individual learner will get. What a technologically driven education will be best at replicating itself (technological society) since technology is a kind of "how to" subject matter. What a technological education will not be able to deliver with ease are courses that question the ontology or ethics of technological thinking. For that is best taught in actual classrooms which allows for lively discussion. Education isn't just the acquisition of facts but the ability to interrogate those facts. Such a process can't be formalized. There is no "critical thinking app" that can be downloaded to one's i-Pad or tablet.

- arnon1

March 13, 2012 at 11:40am

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This is the third time in recent months that Mr. Carey has put this sort of nonsense in The New Republic. It is always the same drivel. Enough. His fifteen minutes are up. When I began teaching in my current position over twenty years ago, I was expected to teach sections of Western Civilization I. the first "half" (really four fifths) of the history of the (loosely defined) west. Then several years ago, as part of a system shake-up, I found that I was expected to teach both World (no longer Western) History I and II. I continued (and continue) to teach in my specialty, but suddenly I was responsible for everything that happened to everyone from Australopithecus Afarensis to Sarah Palin. Furthermore, the sections for the courses grew and continue to grow. Whereas they had been forty students, they were soon eighty and are now 125. In those classes I assign not simply a text book but also some other short books that I want to discuss (as best as we can), from Plato's Euthphro and Apology to Rousseau's Social Contract. (I detest the usual readers for civ courses, with snippets from "sources" that range from a paragraph to a few pages.) For their exams, the students have the usual multiple guess (er, choice) plus an essay on the reading. Or had. As the class sizes have grown and I have no grad students I can trust to grade essays, the fate of such education—the actual encounter between a student, a professor and a text—has come close to being eliminated. Soon it will reach the stage where it is impossible, and I will just run the scantrons of their multiple choice exams. A new version of the old soviet joke—we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us—will have taken over one more small corner of higher education: we pretend to teach and they pretend to learn. Their Jeopardy score will briefly rise and then all will be forgotten, while the real purpose of such education—showing most students how badly they write and how little they understand about the approach to texts and history while rewarding the few who write well and read texts critically and in context—will be gone. For such a pointless exercise as this, I am quite sure that Mr. Carey is correct: whether it is 200 or 200,000 students makes no difference. If the purpose of a university education (as opposed to vocational training) is to certify that a student has sat through the requisite lectures and can, temporarily at least, spout back a series of disconnected facts, then online education is clearly the wave of the future. I suppose this is what Mr. Carey means by a "credential." This is not to suggest that online courses cannot be of value. I have one student who is taking, at my suggestion, an online course in British archaeology offered through Oxford. However, I am quite sure that the course does not have 200,000 students. Anthony Grafton, the recent President of the American Historical Association and one of the most distinguished educators or our tim,e is someone who has thought and written about higher education deeply, well and at length. As he put it recently in The New York Review of Books, "Online courses, the other popular suggestion, can work well—so long as one also provides competent human supervision online, twenty-four hours a day, which makes such courses just as expensive as the traditional sort." So Mr. Carey can continue to sell his educational snake oil. He'll have a lot a takers. But we will all be the poorer for it.

- timteeter

March 13, 2012 at 11:44am

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I have long held the view, and have mentioned it here before, that law schools should not hold the training monopoly for becoming a lawyer. My view is that certification as a lawyer should be accorded to those demonstrating the requisite competence as defined by the licensing body, however that competence is acquired. In Canada the law societies of each province as the final hurdle require the passing of a " bar admissions" exam after graduation from an accredited law school and after a period of apprenticeship, about 6- 8 months, for me a long time ago it was a year, called articling. In Ontario where I live, the structure of mandatory courses as a necessary step to writing the series of bar admissions exams, which I myself took and then later taught in family law, have been scrapped and students are left to study how they see fit so as to pass the exam. But law school is still a condition precedent. What with exploding student debt, exploding tuition costs, class self perpetuation by who typically goes to law school and becomes a lawyer, and other invidious things, it is my judgment that the costs of the mandatory three years of law school outweigh the benefits. I think once the requisite competence has been tested for and demonstrated, however acquired, that ought to be sufficient for certification. Entrepreneurial innovation would quickly rise, I belive, to fill the void created by the jettisoning of law schools' necessity.  I can't speak about other professions, but it makes sense to me for law. My lawyer friends have yet to make arguments contra I find persuasive. For the issue isn't the benefits of traditional law school but rather exclusivity. But, as always, I'm all ears.

- basman

March 13, 2012 at 12:43pm

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I'm not so unsympathetic as are others to the emerging phenomenon described in the article as a functional means of bringing undergraduate education to masses of people in cheaper, more flexible ways. Critical thinking can't assuredly be acquired by downloading form an iPad. But it can be learned and improved by dealing critically with what is downloaded as guided by expert instruction however delivered. I've sat in undergraduate classes attended by assembly halls filled with students while the lecture gets delivered from on high and then had those lectures supplemented by TA led seminars. They were far from all that. And it wasn't that the courses were b.s. It was the mode of delivery of the content that was unsafisfying. At some point, rubber meets road and one has to confront and master course material and demonstrate that mastery by any variety of means. Learning to appreciate Yeats the way one appreciates mathematics is lovely I guess, whatever that appreciation might mean, but there should be many roads to the acquisition and demonstration of mastery and the immense social goods that seem portended by the loosening up of the educational monopoly rings a deeply resonant chord with me.

- basman

March 13, 2012 at 12:57pm

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timteeter- You're assuming that my prediction of what's likely to happen is the same as my preference for ought to happen. Not necessarily. My point is that the inadequate university education you describe is quite typical for many present-day students. If that's all higher education has to offer, it deserves to be disrupted by online courses that accomplish the same thing for much less money. What seems likely is that some institutions will realize that their best value proposition lies in returning to the kind of authentic, hands-on, resource-intensive education that you describe as a lost ideal. It will cost more, but it will be worth it. Others won't be able to do that, and will go under. Students will have more options for different kinds of services and credentials in different formats and for different amounts of money.

- kcarey1111

March 13, 2012 at 12:58pm

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p.s Lots of grammar mistakes, typos and failed subject verb agreements in my comments. That's traditional education for you.

- basman

March 13, 2012 at 1:09pm

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First off, Mr. Carey, the generally laudatory tone of your article (and of your previous similar articles) do not lead me (nor I suspect the average reader) to think that your work is merely analytic and speculative. Secondly, that you work for the institute that has foisted on several states (including my own) the "Complete College America" disaster strongly suggests that you are not a neutral critic. (I could go on about that but I'll refrain for now.) No doubt other forms of "credentialing" will appear, and some will thrive. And no doubt some of them will deserve to do so. But could we at least hope that that they will not call themselves 'universities'? I don't know about Iceland or the Isle of Man, but there is a reason why the Catholic church and universities are still around—they perform a needed societal function that involves human interaction at its deepest, most intimate level. Classes (if that's the right word) of several thousand, whether impersonally conducted over fiber optic cable or in movie theaters that substitute for classrooms, will not replace that.

- timteeter

March 13, 2012 at 1:23pm

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And while I'm at it . . . "Traditional colleges and universities exploit their monopoly over this market by overcharging students in order to generate revenue to support things that are important to them. Those things include producing academic scholarship, fielding cash-hemorrhaging professional sports teams, engaging in positional status competition with rival colleges, and avoiding the difficult work of overhauling inefficient administrative and organizational structures in which too many people get paid too much money." Actually, everything you say in these two sentences is true. But look what you have lumped together with sports, status competition, and admin bloat: academic scholarship. "What's important to them"? Well, it may come as a shock to some who think that most scholarship is obscure, jargon laden and pointless, but in truth, and at the risk of generalizing from my own particular too much, my scholarship informs my teaching and vice versa. That's why I do (or try to do) both. That's what a university is supposed to do, and not only at the graduate level—and it costs money, because I have to pay a mortgage and dental bills just like everyone else. So at least part of what you call 'overcharging' is what enables me to do my job and feed my family. In other words, it isn't only important to 'them' (i.e. me); it's important to my students. It's important to my university. It's important to education. It's important to America.

- timteeter

March 13, 2012 at 1:40pm

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Damn, the italics bug is back. Here's my comment without them: And while I'm at it . . . "Traditional colleges and universities exploit their monopoly over this market by overcharging students in order to generate revenue to support things that are important to them. Those things include producing academic scholarship, fielding cash-hemorrhaging professional sports teams, engaging in positional status competition with rival colleges, and avoiding the difficult work of overhauling inefficient administrative and organizational structures in which too many people get paid too much money." Actually, everything you say in these two sentences is true. But look what you have lumped together with sports, status competition, and admin bloat: academic scholarship. "What's important to them"? Well, it may come as a shock to some who think that most scholarship is obscure, jargon laden and pointless, but in truth, and at the risk of generalizing from my own particular too much, my scholarship informs my teaching and vice versa. That's why I do (or try to do) both. That's what a university is supposed to do, and not only at the graduate level—and it costs money, because I have to pay a mortgage and dental bills just like everyone else. So at least part of what you call 'overcharging' is what enables me to do my job and feed my family. In other words, it isn't only important to 'them' (i.e. me); it's important to my students. It's important to my university. It's important to education. It's important to America.

- timteeter

March 13, 2012 at 1:42pm

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I give up.

- timteeter

March 13, 2012 at 1:43pm

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"...but there should be many roads to the acquisition and demonstration of mastery and the immense social goods that seem portended by the loosening up of the educational monopoly rings a deeply resonant chord with me." basman, Every human economic endeavor tends toward monopoly. We can break monopolies up for a while, but they always come back. It's in our DNA. As humans, we have an instinctual urge, whether it be a social or individual one, to be top dog. There are all kinds of shadow monopolies on earth that we know nothing about until an individual or a group begins to expose them. Fortunately, there are also many people who don't let their urge to dominate control them. They are the real humans, as opposed to the top dogs.

- magboy47.

March 13, 2012 at 3:22pm

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Sorry Magboy but my religion forbids me to use italics. Oops!

- basman

March 13, 2012 at 3:29pm

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Stop propagating this propaganda.

- spmull06

March 13, 2012 at 4:18pm

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" . . . higher education consumers aren’t buying courses or degree programs. They’re buying credentials. " Fundamental mistake here, I think. Credentials are merely a unit of measure. To be worth anything, they must measure knowledge. Those who give value to credentials - employers, mostly - value them because they can reasonably expect the person with the credential to know something useful. One doesn't buy a credential any more than one buys pounds in the vegetable market, or yards in the fabric store. The problem with new and unconventional credentials is that people don't yet know how the new unit of measure corresponds to the knowledge they really want to measure. Of course current credentials are far from perfect measurements of knowledge, but people are used to them and know more or less what to expect.

- K_Wilson

March 13, 2012 at 5:11pm

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You apply for a job with your online certification, and I'll apply with my degree from Harvard or Stanford, or the University of Wisconsin or Penn State for that matter. And we'll see who gets the job.

- NateG

March 14, 2012 at 3:01am

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NateG: Nail, head, bang. Before moving over to academia 5 years ago, I spent 15 years doing R&D in the defense industry. I was involved in more hiring decisions than I can count, at levels from technicians to senior scientists. In addition to the obvious technical skills, we looked for ability to explain ideas orally and in writing, creative problem solving, ability to fit technical ideas into a broader strategic context, ability to work both independently and as part of a team. You want to get such qualifications? First spend four years as an undergrad where you have to write papers and present seminars in military history and moral philosophy and Victorian literature along with chemistry and physics and calculus, where you work in a study group and with lab partners but at the end of the day must do your own writing, where you're given off-the-wall design projects and open-ended lab projects. Add four years of specialized graduate work in which you design your own projects and experiments, give even more talks, write more papers, get your talks critiqued at international workshops, meet the very best people in your field from all over the world. Preferably, do all this at UCLA or MIT, Maryland or Princeton where you work not only with outstanding faculty but with outstanding students. Taking a series of online exams is not even remotely a substitute for the immersion in a community of learning.

- krlong014

March 14, 2012 at 6:50pm

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Given Carey's argument krlong, your ongoing lauding of your acadmeic achievements is an incredible non sequitur deployed in the demolition of a gigantic straw man. Hand, head, bang.

- basman

March 14, 2012 at 7:21pm

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I'm just waiting for my credentials from Beck University to be accepted by these darned liberal academic socialists.

- RedState

March 15, 2012 at 1:57pm

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timteeter, like chaitless, I like you're assessment of Carey's value to this discussion. I liken him to the Larry Kudlow of the education debate. Mostly noise, a lot of cheerleading, minutes of your life reading his work to make sure he's not being misleading, or dishonest about something, that you'll never get back. However, in this case, his work here is quite underwhelming in the sense that so many of the big U's around me have done what he's described, or are much farther along in the process, or have been doing this for years, offering some form of alternate credentialing. And, honestly, if we look close enough, the bigs were probably right there at the start, if not the ones that started it. I just had this discussion with an EE prof from my area. His big U has been doing stuff like this with varying success for over a decade. Some programs have worked, others haven't. Another constraint that Carey is either ignorant about, or willfully wishing away, is that big U's with program's like EE's are often joined to professional accreditation associations above and beyond the general education shops. These groups are market and business minded and will expect a certain type of product associated with a certain degree. There will be no way around that as these groups have their own reputation to uphold. One thing that did catch my attention recently. A local student acquaintance wanting to finish a technical BA after completing his community college degree had been in contact with an alternative credentialing school halfway across the country from his locale. He was all good to go, but noted that the school had made a big deal about continuing to take practicum (lab) courses in his field along with the paper work, a sign that they think real experience will be a requirement. I'm not so sure that business's won't look at the wild world of open credentialing the same way as the tech industry looked at all those Microsoft Certified Systems Engineers (MCSE) from the early to middle 2000's, all done on paper too. From the time honored joke from the near end of the cold war: "How do you get the nuclear engineer (or MCSE) off your porch?" Pay for the pizza.

- jet

March 15, 2012 at 6:07pm

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The description of the program associated with Stanford contains a couple of errors. The faculty involved are mostly regular faculty, not adjuncts. The instructors for the AI class were Sebastian Thrun, who is indeed a roboticist, and Peter Norvig, who is not a roboticist, but is rather director of research at Google. The AI class supposedly had an enrollment of 160,000, so "tens of thousands" is an understatement.

- ErnestDavis

March 15, 2012 at 9:04pm

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