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POLITICS SEPTEMBER 13, 2011

The Debate in Tampa: How Perry's Rivals Are Perfecting Their Attacks on the Frontrunner

CNN’s over-produced, odd-couple alliance with the Tea Party produced an unexpected result—the first “Not So Fast, Governor Perry” debate.

Direct from Tampa, the site of the 2012 GOP Convention, the debate illustrated Perry’s vulnerabilities as the poll-propelled Republican front-runner. Nothing that happened in Tampa Monday night was so dramatic that it likely will be remembered when the Republicans drench their nominee in confetti and balloons nearly a year from now. But if Perry falls short in the primaries, it will probably be because of attack lines that his rivals perfected in Tampa in September of this odd-numbered year.

On topics ranging from Social Security to his support for in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants, Perry awkwardly struggled against a tag-team of his GOP rivals. Mitt Romney went toe-to-toe with Perry—or wing tip to cowboy boot—in a high-intensity exchange on job creation. Sniffing at Perry’s vaunted economic record in Texas, Romney cracked. “If you’re dealt four aces that doesn’t necessarily make you a great poker player.” What seemed telling was not the practiced one-liners, but Romney’s surprising relish in repeatedly challenging Perry in the battle to be the Alpha Male on the debate stage.

But the worst moment for Perry came when Michele Bachmann, the lone woman on stage in Tampa, awoke midway through the debate after a month-long political slumber dating back to the Iowa Straw Poll. The topic that reinvigorated Bachmann was Perry's hastily abandoned 2007 attempt to vaccinate pre-teen girls in Texas against sexually transmitted diseases. During last week’s debate, Perry had come under fire on the issue from Ron Paul for decreeing the vaccination program by executive order instead of working through the legislature. But the libertarian gadfly was a minor political nuisance compared to Bachmann emerging as defender of girls everywhere.

“I’m a mom of three children,” Bachmann announced before letting go with coiled rage. “And to have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through executive order is just flat out wrong...Little girls who have a negative reaction to this potentially dangerous drug don’t get a mulligan.” The larger political theme is not the health-care merits of Perry’s stance. Rather what matters in the months ahead is whether issues like this will raise lasting doubts that Perry is not the anti-government governor that he boasts about being.

This was clearly the moment that Bachmann had been waiting for—and she had carefully planned her follow-up attack. Pointing out that the governor’s former chief of staff was a top lobbyist for Merck, the drug giant that would have provided the vaccine, Bachmann implied that Perry was motivated by cronyism and campaign contributions. That was enough for Perry to snap, “If you’re saying that I can be bought for $5,000, I’m offended.”

Cracks like that can be dangerous. Perry’s response immediately brought to mind the punch line to the old joke: “We’ve already established what you are. We’re just haggling over the price.”

It was another attempted joke by Jon Huntsman that won the coveted Maladroit Comment of the Month Award. Trying to play off Perry’s inflammatory commentsabout Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and combining it with an attack on the Texas governor’s moderate stance on immigration, Huntsman said, “For Rick to say that you can’t secure the border is pretty much a treasonous comment.” It was a jaw-dropping comment and, combined with an earlier Huntsman reference to Kurt Cobain, it underscored yet again that Obama’s former ambassador to China is running for the presidential nomination of a political party that doesn’t exist.

A September debate in the shadow of “Monday Night Football” was never going to transform the GOP race. It was also a difficult debate to handicap because the Tea Party cheering sections in the hall may have different responses than ordinary conservative GOP primary voters. Further complicating matters is that Perry is a candidate who plays off emotions and visceral responses—and, as a result, neither polling nor political instincts can fully predict how he will play with GOP voters over time.

Two debates in four days are almost as exhausting for political junkies at home as they are for the candidates. But what we have learned is that probably the best that Perry can ever do in a debate is to hold his own. Not naturally glib, Perry has to depend on the unflinching self-confidence that has propelled him through three terms as Texas governor. Monday night—under attack from everyone from Rick Santorum to Ron Paul—Perry was introduced to the perils of being the frontrunner.

Romney also has revealed something about himself in these last two debates. His chilly manner and his changeling political record may prevent him from ever winning the Republican nomination. But as a debater, Romney is fierce, disciplined and well-rehearsed. If Perry does indeed win the nomination, Romney will have made him earn it.

After watching nearly four hours of Republican debate since Thursday night, I will confess to feeling like a detective searching for a missing clue. The Perry versus Romney story line seems too simple, too predictable to define the race all the way to the Iowa caucuses. While Perry is still atop his perch, the only safe bet is that something unexpected will jumble the GOP contest before the first frost.

Walter Shapiro is a special correspondent for The New Republic. Follow him on Twitter.

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I have a black sense of humor, but I hope Bachman's little girls don't get infected. As far as the debate, it's something like a piranha match instead of a dog fight. Where is Michael Vick when we need him?

- skahn

September 13, 2011 at 1:02am

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I enjoyed this well written and informative piece.

- Nusholtz

September 13, 2011 at 4:42am

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Perry's moment on immigration has sunk him. It's over for him. There's no way a Republican candidate can win with that stance and policy history on illegals. Providing federal funds for education for illegal immigrants? He's toast. Romney's a shoe-in now.

- IggyPop

September 13, 2011 at 7:31am

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This is very good reporting. A little off topic, but Bachmann should not be allowed to get away with her neanderthal attitudes about science and medicine. I'm referring to cervical cancer and the HPV vaccine. HPV causes over 70% of cervical cancers, a cancer that is entirely preventable with the HPV vaccine. Bachmann implies that HPV is evidence of promiscuity. If that's true, then 80% of American women are promiscuous; 80% of American women are infected with some strain of HPV by age 50. For me, this isn't some academic exercise. My sister died of cervical cancer 14 years ago. If the vaccine had been available and women had been encouraged to take the vaccine, she almost certainly would be alive today. How many women will not receive the vaccine and needlessly die as the result of Bachmann's neanderthal attitude.

- rayward

September 13, 2011 at 8:05am

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Rick Santorum: looked like if he clenched his jaw any tighter he'd crack a molar. "I ran in a state with a million more registered democrats than depublicans! And I NEVER changed my policies! And I STILL WON!! I WON DAMMIT I WON!!!" Rick, trust us when we say this, we're still just as surprised as you. Someday someone will find a storage locker in Pittsburgh with few hundred thousand missing dem votes, and you can craft your response to the subpeona however you like. Until then get off the stage and go picket a women's health clinic. Cain: I'm going to ruin the surprise and just give my prediction for every answer you're ever going to hear from Herman on anything. Here (Spoiler!) you go... "My plan? My plan is dail 999 and start paying for theis economy to create jobs because that ain't the way you do things, and they said, What? You can't do that, and I said, why? and they said because Washington works the other way and I said oh yeah Washington don't work at all or my name ain't Herman Cain and they said waitaminnit MY name is Herman Cain and I said no MY NAME is Herman Cain and I said I ran three hundred thousand tiny pizza businesses and they said man I love pizza, and that's why I should be president, thank you very much." Michele Bachmann: Is rabidly against Perry's decision to force women to have their daughter's vaccinated against HPV. Why? Because she believes it is inexcusable for the government to not allow women to have a choice. Go head and let that sink in for a second, I'll circle back to her. Romney: Actually not too terribly bad. Several boos from the tea party audience, which boosts him with the non-crazies as far as I'm concerned. Nice slice-and-dice job on Perry's statements and subsequent nauseating flip-flops on Soc Sec. Bringing us to... Rick Perry: Pardon my language, but holyfuckingshit. You know, as a political junkie I've read his statements but this is the first time I've actually heard him speak. It truly is a wonder to behold. He makes Bush W look like a thoughtful and engaging intellectual. If this guy were any dumber he'd be subject to leash laws. Watching him debate it's clear it is literally all he can do to muster every bit of low-watt brain power in memorizing a few pithy statements. Any time he has to explain even his own basic values, he comes off as a complete dipshit. Favorite quote of the evening: "In the end, I always come down on the side of life. Unless that life is an innocent man on death row, in which case, I'm pretty much ok with being anti-life." I'm paraphrasing. Huntsman: Somewhere in an alternate universe, a rational gop electorate, committed to sensibly maintaining government spending levels and eliminating America's involvement in futile military action, is quietly gathering around John Huntsman and supporting this thoughtful, intelligent man in his bid to become our next president. I wish him well. The Huntman in this universe, sadly, has no freaking chance in hell. Worst moment of the night: a cringe-inducing shout-out to The Ryan Plan as our economic roadmap to prosperity. Bleeech. Best moment: Finding a more polite way to tell the young Afghani women, "Sorry sweetie, we're not doing a damn thing to help women in A-stan, when I'm President they're on their own." Harsh, I know, but it's nice to finally hear someone come down firmly on the let's-get-the-hell-out-now side with no ambiguity. Gingrich: Scored the grand-poohbah of all labeling points in the evening, when he referred to this as "The Obama Depression". WOW. Seriously??? Actually, his statement about Obama scaring the hell out of everybody my have some merit. When you can cause the economy to crater and millions of jobs to be lost and the entire worldwide financial sector to have grand mal seizure BEFORE YOU'RE EVEN ELECTED, you truly are a man to be feared. On a side note... Obaba economy, Obama depression, Obamanomics, Obamacare... the gop likes to name even more things after Obama than they do Reagan. I'm almost positive I heard someone say we need to bring the troops back from Obamistan, but I can't be sure. Anyway, I'm not sure Newt increased his chances last night, but the AP is reporting he definately firmed up his base support among self-described douchebags. Paul: Ah, Ron. I love ya buddy. Racism aside, Ron's a cool dude. He has no chance of being president, but he's fun to watch. Bachmann, revisited: The obvious choice for fans of Sarah Palin who love Palin's over-the-top evangelical uberconservatism, but wich she would be just a tad more shrill. All time favorite part of the evening: all the momentary excitement among the candidates in being allowed to answer the young man who asked "How much of every $1 do you think I should be allowed to keep", and then about 2/3 of a second later each one realizing with dawning horror that "ALL OF IT!! EVERY NICKEL!! WHY I WON'T CHARGE ANY TAXES FOR ANYTHING, EVER!!!" probably wasn't going to be a sufficiant answer, might actually be questioned later on by cooler heads, and could maybe come back to haunt them in their quest to be president and responsible steward of the US economy. Did I miss anyone?

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 9:04am

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"If this guy were any dumber he'd be subject to leash laws." Tristan for quote of the day!

- wildboy

September 13, 2011 at 9:16am

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Michelle Bachmann complained loudly about mandatory HPV vaccinations, but no one asked her what about all the other mandatory vaccinations her children were required to have prior to entering public school? Polio, whooping cough, measles, mumps; are these acceptable but HPV not? Hippocracy of the highest order.

- jgmusgrove

September 13, 2011 at 10:22am

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Perry: "Unless we fix the economy, and I mean RIGHT NOW, we may not be able to afford executing our children's children"

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 10:24am

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This Immigration Debate has been brought to you by The Home Depot. For all your fencing needs.

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 10:27am

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Last debate we had the crowd cheer for executions. This time they were whooping it up at the prospect of letting someone just die in the street if they didn't have health insurance. These things are turning a bit macabre. Stay tuned next week when the gop debate audience stands up and forms a conga line after one of the candidates suggests grinding up orphans for protein.

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 10:33am

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While Perry was defending the completely reasonable vaccine program (isn’t public health and safety a concern of government?) they had the camera on Santorum, who had a look of disgust…his upper teeth visible in a kind of sneer of disgust that was reminded me of a look someone has when they see vomit. Santorum really is an ugly man, inside and outside. And Santorum’s own rebuttal, that vaccines should only be provided by government when they prevent airborne contagions, was shocking in its stupidity. And he finished with Perry should have offered an opt-in and not an opt-out, at best it is semantic nonsense, at worst it is burying a worthy government initiative in bureaucracy. And Santorum lost his last election back in 2006 by 21 points. My impression is that Perry saved his ass with Hispanic voters last night, Romney’s response to how he would win hispanic votes was to say he would pretend that they didn’t exist. I also got a kick at Bachmann's scary laugh heard off camera at the question of how much credit Perry deserves for the jobs in Texas. She also had another part where she screamed how committed she was...sadly it was not the committed I thinks she needs to be. tristan, funny posts Hey, orphans are an essential part of any well heeled plutocrats diet. I hear tell the Koch brothers dine on nothing more than asian children.

- blackton

September 13, 2011 at 11:14am

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Tristan...I think the fact that the mics caught people cheering and yelling "let them die" when asked about someone, without medical insurance, needing emergency medical attention, I began to realize that we really are witnessing the devolution of the GOP into the new proto financial-fascist / neolithic-libertarian party (known as the FUAP) that legitimizes all of the evils in the world as "natural selection." But not that kind of anti-God, Darwinian "natural selection" but the "natural selection" as practiced by the new FUAP (Fuck You America! Party) and funded by the Cock Brothers.

- singlspeed

September 13, 2011 at 11:30am

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Singlspeed... indeed. Why if I didn't know better, I'd say they tend to not wholeheartedly embrace the tenets of the fellow they claim to worship. "What you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me".

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 11:39am

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Tristan, they do worship supply side Jeebus. You don't understand, the least of our brothers are the very, very rich because they are least in number so Jeebus loves them most. You gotta read your prosperity bible. You gotta cast your bread upon the water and get back...wet bread? No, that can't be right, you get back upper class tax cuts to kill bad muslims with.

- blackton

September 13, 2011 at 12:21pm

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fyi history on use of "Ponzi scheme" http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/276859 rayward on HPV vaccine: thank you, very well stated. blackton: "My impression is that Perry saved his ass with Hispanic voters last night" - he's been doing that on his campaign trail also - took heavy boos in NH on that same issue, and then said "my brother-in-law is Hispanic". Perry has most of Truman's bio (including love of his life from age 10), and despite the mumbles, he takes every punch with grace. really interesting how Herman Cain clarified for Perry the Galveston County opt-out of SocSec in 1982 before Congress made opt-outs illegal in 1983. really want to know what Ron Paul said to Huntsman afterwards. "Join my team?" I think anyone watching will mostly remember Perry's glowing answer to what he would bring to the WH: his "beautiful...wife Anita as First Lady." In the after-coverage, CNN showed, on the side, Perry fullthroated stumping to a group - and, I really wanted to see THAT. on to the analysis of why some wore red and some wore blue...

- K2K

September 13, 2011 at 12:31pm

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Thank you Ray, I'm so sorry for your loss. The story isn't the candidates or the debate. The story is the disgusting audience - they said everything that needs to be said about the sociopaths calling themselves Republicans. They are a disgrace to this country.

- WandreyCer

September 13, 2011 at 12:33pm

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It's true about that audience last night, Wandrey (or some of them, at least). They seem to exult in the suffering they imagine (foolishly) will be the fate of others only.

- ironyroad

September 13, 2011 at 12:55pm

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How come no one is reporting or commenting on the "Let them die" retort from the audience? I swear, the MSM is degenerating by the day.

- NR409654

September 13, 2011 at 1:04pm

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NR409654.... Andrew Sullivan has a really great post on it. Here you go, my friend: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/09/indecent.html Unfortunately, this is about as much from the media as we're getting. Unreal.

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 1:16pm

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What I find hilarious is that when Alan Grayson suggested the gop health care plan was "Don't get sick, but if you do get sick, die quickly", republican press secretaries the nation over were apoplectic at his unconscionable and baseless statements blah blah blah. And now we have gop audiences cheering, clapping, etc at the prospect of someone dying because they got sick. It's sadistic. Maybe the RNC should capitalize on the current wave of barbarism. "The Republican Party: Taking America Back. To the Visigoths."

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 1:24pm

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Tristan... At least the Visigoths were civilized enough to mercy-killed the sick and lame. The GOP would rather you suffer needless in the puddle of your own bodily fluids before mucking up their Nieman Marcus driving slip-on shoes to even put you out of your misery. They enjoy the show of watching you suffer and 'git yer just desserts'.

- singlspeed

September 13, 2011 at 1:37pm

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NR...Huffington Post also captured the moment of the "let them die" cheer from the GOP debate. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/12/tea-party-debate-health-care_n_959354.html

- singlspeed

September 13, 2011 at 1:38pm

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Presumably these were typical Tea Party geezers who get Medicare themselves.

- stanmvp48

September 13, 2011 at 2:21pm

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A slice of the current GOP base -- Jesus H. Christ! Like something from a horror movie. At least the zombies have the excuse of being the living dead. Just when you think it can't get any worse . . .

- ironyroad

September 13, 2011 at 3:13pm

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And courtesy of the Huffington Post link singlespeed provided, this Palin stream of consciousness: "That someone as Michele Bachmann pointed out, was Governor Perry’s former chief of staff who went to work for a drug company who made the drug that would be required of the Texas government to mandate that our young daughters would have to be inoculated against potential disease from this company that his former chief of staff was lobbying for that is crony capitalism"

- dubyadoubte

September 13, 2011 at 3:26pm

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The alignment of the far right with fundamentalist Christianity is odd. Both fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam might be described as "viral religions" in that members are compelled to spread their meme: belief in their version of the imaginary being known as God who guarantees life after death with appropriate rewards and punishments (Heaven or Hell). The far right obsession with charity as the answer to human suffering (in this case, absence of health care) is that with charity one can harangue the victim about joining the religion as a kind of price for (arbitrarily and erratically) providing medical care. It's a kind of "tax"; "We will provide care for you because the price is that we will harangue you about believing as we do religiously and politically.

- skahn

September 13, 2011 at 3:45pm

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Nice post, Peter. Let's be fair to Palin, though, she's a busy lady and probably feeling a bit run down by all the recent travel. Iowa, New Hampshire, and now she's headed to Maine next month. According to Palin it'll be her first trip to Europe since visiting Hong Kong a couple years back.

- Tristan

September 13, 2011 at 3:45pm

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I will have to second the notion that this display of honesty by the audience is sort of refreshing. It's much worse having to listen to them try to claim they are compassionate or some such. There is no room for compassion in conservatism, and efforts to pretend otherwise generate obnoxious levels of cognitive dissonance.

- GSpinks

September 13, 2011 at 4:01pm

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Tristan: Hah!

- Nusholtz

September 13, 2011 at 4:52pm

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Maybe Tristan should have a job at TNR? Just sayin':)

- Sophia

September 13, 2011 at 9:02pm

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