POLITICS MAY 11, 2010
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The American economy added 290,000 jobs in April, the biggest monthly increase in four years. Clearly, a recovery has taken hold. But how strong and buoyant will it be? Will we eventually get back to growth rates above 4 percent and to an unemployment rate of less than 5 percent? Or will this recovery sputter like the last one that began in 2002?
The strongest case for gloom that I’ve read has been made by UCLA economic historian Robert Brenner in a new introduction that he wrote to the Spanish edition of his 2006 book, The Economics of Global Turbulence. New Republic readers will detect a similarity between Brenner’s views and my own, but his are grounded in a far greater knowledge of economic history than mine. His pessimism also outpaces mine.
Brenner’s analysis of the current downturn can be boiled down to a fairly simple point: that the underlying cause of the current downturn lies in the “real” economy of private goods and service production rather than in the financial sector, and that the current remedies—from government spending and tax cuts to financial regulation—will not lead to the kind of robust growth and employment that the United States enjoyed after World War II and fleetingly in the late 1990s. These remedies won’t succeed because they won’t get at what has caused the slowdown in the real economy: global overcapacity in tradeable goods production.
Global overcapacity means that the world’s industries are capable of producing far more steel, shoes, cell phones, computer chips, and automobiles (among other things) than the world’s consumers are able and willing to consume. Companies can still sell their goods but at prices that undercut their rate of profit. In the nineteenth century, the redundant and less productive firms would have folded, and as wages fell, and profit rates went back up, the economy would start to revive. But that no longer happens. Firms have become too big and powerful to fail; and the citizens of democratic nations will justifiably no longer tolerate unemployment above 20 percent. Instead, the average rate of profit falls, private and public debt rises, and the danger of a large crash looms.
Brenner traces this problem of global overcapacity to the early 1970s when the countries decimated by World War II had rebuilt their industrial base and were capable of competing equally with the United States, and when newly industrializing countries in Asia and Latin America were beginning their ascent. At that point, global overcapacity manifested itself in declining rates of profit. In the United States, for instance, average profit rates in manufacturing fell from 24.5 percent in the 1960s to 13.4 percent in the 1970s and 11.8 percent in the 1980s. As profit rates declined, firms were less inclined to invest and expand, leading to a decline in overall growth in the economy and to higher average unemployment over a decade.
The more immediate causes of the current downturn, he suggests, go back to the vagaries of the real economy in the 1990s. The revival of American manufacturing during that period was cut short by what Brenner calls “the reverse Plaza accord.” (See my article, “Dollar Foolish,” in TNR, December 9, 1996.) The U.S. agreed to drive down the value of the yen and mark and drive up the value of the dollar to protect Japan in particular from a severe recession. But the effect was to price American goods out of markets in Asia and to widen the American trade deficit.
In the past, this might have led to a downturn, but there were special circumstances that sustained the Clinton era boom into the late ’90s. In order to hold down the value of the dollar relative to their own currencies, Asian nations sent the dollars they accumulated from their trade surpluses back to the U.S. to buy Treasuries, stocks and bonds, and real estate. The accumulation of dollars helped fuel a speculative frenzy in information technology stocks, which created a “wealth effect” of its own that buoyed consumption and investment. Brenner calls it “asset price Keynesian.” Paul Volcker summed up the situation thusly: “The fate of the world economy is now totally dependent on the growth of the U.S. economy, which is dependent on the stock market, whose growth is dependent upon about 50 stocks, half of which have never reported any earnings.”
Of course, the dot-com bubble burst in 2001—inconveniently on the same day that Ruy Teixeira and I were trying to auction our proposed book, The Emerging Democratic Majority. Overcapacity had spread to information technology. (See Noam Scheiber, “Wretched Excess,” in TNR, December 3, 2001.) A recession had taken hold. A year later, the economy began to recover, but the tradeable goods sector remained stagnant. In 2005, investment by non-financial corporations was still almost 5 percent below what it had been in 2000. Net borrowing by non-financial corporations was nugatory. And the trade deficit continued to rise.
How then was recovery possible at all? What happened was that the fundamentals behind the dot-com boom and bubble were replicated in the housing and commercial real estate markets. The rush of foreign dollars into the U.S. from the trade deficit helped the Federal Reserve keep interest rates near zero. With the interest rates plummeting, home sales rose. And as sales rose, the price of homes rose. Homeowners used their newfound home equity to purchase cars and other homes. Construction boomed, even while manufacturing floundered. When home prices threatened to discourage new purchases, banks and brokers, with encouragement from the Fed, offered new subprime mortgage deals. When the banks and brokers became worried about risk from these mortgages, they invented elaborate financial instruments to cushion and spread the risk. And when housing prices finally stalled, the whole Ponzi scheme collapsed, and the recession, the most severe since the 1930s, commenced.
Did the housing bubble cause the recession? Yes, in the same sense that a patient suffering from lung cancer finally dies as a result of pneumonia. The bursting of the bubble precipitated the recession, but the underlying condition, which made possible the financial chicanery of the last 15 years, was the global overcapacity in tradeable goods. With American firms no longer eagerly seeking funds for expansion, the banks and shadow banks had to look elsewhere for profitable outlets. And with the economy that produces tradeable goods not producing new jobs, a government that took its responsibility for maintaining employment had to look elsewhere to stimulate demand and growth. Ergo, two bubbles, and two recessions.
So what now? There are good reasons to re-regulate finance—among them, to prevent fraud and to create transparency—but financial reform will not necessarily create an incentive for banks to loan money to firms that want to invest and expand. The problem right now is primarily that firms are fearful that they won’t make a sufficient rate of return on their investments, and are holding back. There is also good reason to make expenditures for infrastructure that will create jobs and make American industry more productive. But, Brenner argues, Keynesian spending is at best a palliative that temporarily creates jobs and that, over the long run, exacerbates the problem of excess capacity.
This is a crucial point and I want to quote Brenner on it. He says that Keynesian
additions of purchasing power were especially critical in reversing the severe cyclical downturns of 1974-5, 1979-1982, and the early 1990s, which were far more serious than any during the first postwar quarter century and would likely have led to profound economic dislocations in the absence of the large increases in government and private indebtedness that took place in their wake. Nevertheless, the ever increasing borrowing that sustained aggregate demand also led to an ever greater build-up of debt, which, over time, left firms and households less responsive to new rounds of stimulus and rendered the economy ever more vulnerable to shocks. Even more debilitating, it slowed the shakeout of high-cost low profit means of production required to eliminate overcapacity in the world system as a whole and in that way prevented profitability from making a recovery.
Brenner is not saying that the U.S. economy won’t “recover” from this or future recessions. What he is saying is that we and the rest of global capitalism will continue on the gradual downward slope that began in the 1970s. We will not be able to recreate the Golden Age of capitalism that lasted from 1945 to 1970 simply by applying the right mixture of spending, subsidies, re-regulation, and international negotiation. Instead, the world economy, and the U.S. economy, will resemble the post-bubble Japan of the 1990s—with its “L-shaped” recovery writ large.
Brenner doesn’t discuss the political repercussions, but they are pretty clear: Continued economic uncertainty and instability will make for political instability. This has already happened in Japan, and appears to be spreading to Europe, where recent elections in Germany and Great Britain have created uneasy governing coalitions. In the United States, the Republicans are likely to take back at least the House of Representatives in November, but that won’t issue in a new era of Republicanism any more than Obama’s victory now appears to have created a long-lasting Roosevelt-type Democratic majority. Unless a solution is at hand, we’re in for an era of what political scientist W. D. Burnham called “unstable equilibrium.”
And by Brenner’s logic, there is no lasting solution to global overcapacity and falling rates of profit short of the kind of depression that shook the world in the 1930s. This depression, it should be recalled, had some pretty terrible political repercussions of its own. It not only threw millions out of work, but also fed the growth of fascism and Nazism and contributed, if not led directly, to World War II. The combination of the Depression and World War II created the conditions for the Golden Age of capitalism that occurred from 1945 to 1970.
Brenner himself is certainly not advocating depression and war. He doesn’t offer solutions. He is trying to explain the dilemma that global capitalism faces. I would certainly hope that Brenner is wrong. I like to think the countries of the world could find a way out of this mess through national and global planning and cooperation. But I don’t presently see how.
John B. Judis is a senior editor of The New Republic and a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
28 comments
Good stuff Mr. Judis.
- jacko
May 12, 2010 at 7:43am
This is much too gloomy an assessment. With all the emerging markets, the global economy should be on the verge of the largest global capitalist expansion ever. What's lacking is direction, or leadership, especially from the leading capitalist nation, the US. What the emerging markets need is US know-how and ingenuity, not consumers of cheap consumer goods and unproductive financial "innovations". The first step is to change, radically change, public policy, from focus on the investor class to focus on the producer class. In a nation that prides itself on innovation, why are the engineers on the lower to middle range of compensation while at the high end of marginal federal tax rates? With annual income that rarely exceeds $100,000, the engineer is subject to a 45% marginal federal tax rate, and rarely is it the engineer who ascends to top management. By comparison, the investor class is taxed at a 15% maximum federal rate, and top management is most heavily represented by the investor class and the facilitators (bankers, lawyers, etc.) that represent their interests. Is it possible to change US public policy? If Germany can adapt to the crisis sweeping Europe, as it did this week, then surely the US can adapt to the global economy that beckons for its leadership.
- rayward
May 12, 2010 at 7:48am
I took a course from Robert Brenner long ago at UCLA and he was a great Professor. I learned a lot about English History and the rise of capitalism. But this explanation (summary) provided here is not really economics. This whole argument is based on the assumption that relative prices are fixed. How else can there be a 25-year excess supply of tradable goods? It is not as if real wages have been constant in the industrialized world over that period either. I don't see how a fixed-price analysis over periods of a quarter century can explain our economic problems.
- bwickes
May 12, 2010 at 10:06am
"the global overcapacity in tradeable goods." Sorry but this ain't true as Ray rightly points out. The Chinese and Indian markets have an incredible potential for increased demand. Judis is acting as though the emerging markets don't even exist. At present the most profitable aspect of GM's operations is Shanghai GM, 20 years ago this market didn't exist. As the per capita income of Asians and Indians increase and a new generation comes into play not gripped by the fear of their parents they will increase their consumption habits, it is already in play in the coastal cities of China. In fact, it is their lack of a credit market (few people have credit cards, most have debit cards) that is still holding them back. When they begin to have mature credit markets demand will spike and the world wide economy will get rolling again. This truly is an astonishing article, it doesn't mention anywhere in Asia except Japan. No Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea, China, nor does it mention India. Did Bremer just dust off a paper he wrote in 1990?
- blackton
May 12, 2010 at 11:24am
rayward: Judis and Brenner (and you) are not economists. I'd suggest you all read and understand Krugman (or Johnson or deLong). Their assessments have been largely accurate over the last 15-20 years -- Krugman, in fact, may end up being more of an icon in his field than Keynes. Their assessments lie midway between "ideological fix to Paradise" rayward and Chicken-Little Brenner.
- drofnats1
May 12, 2010 at 11:25am
Relevant points that you make, Rayward. The problem with the global production overcapacity that Judis/Brenner rightly point out would seem to be more a problem of mis-match between the kind of products and services currently produced and the kind of global demand that is emerging as more of population participates in the cash economy. All systems seek balance in the long run. Government & corporate leadership can enable the rebalancing act by shifting strategies to meet long-run sustainabilty needs of global economic growth rather than those of the short-term consume-and-trash economy.
- Contempora
May 12, 2010 at 11:52am
This simply does not hold up. First of all, at least for the US, there has been no secular decline in profits. In fact, the non-wage share of output divided by aggregate capital has remained extremely stable in the vicinity of 10% per year since the end of WWII. So, one of the major factual premises is untrue. As pointed out above, there can be no long-term over-capacity. That is silly. What we have at the moment are significant imbalances that cannot persist. We have over-capacity in tradeable goods only in the sense that the US is somehow expected to absorb via consumption whatever excess capacity exists elsewhere. Because the Chinese, for example, will not spend their dollars to buy US goods, they try to invest them here instead. Too much money chasing too few assets produces bubbles the bursting of which produces recession, and in a big crash it takes more time to mop up. This one was made worse because the Chinese don't even want to buy existing real assets. They only want financial investments. Thus, we get both a real asset bubble and a financial bubble at the same time. The situation is not so dire, but we cannot continue with these trade imbalances. The quickest road to sustainable recovery would be for the Chinese to start spending their surpluses and then maintain roughly balanced trade. The combination of their consumption and higher American disposable income as a result should lead to stability. If the Chinese won't play, then we have to force our trade into balance at their expense.
- roidubouloi
May 12, 2010 at 12:18pm
This is the argument for investment in technical innovation to create new markets that demand new production capacity and new infrastructure to support them. This is where the US has always been strongest, and where the goods command higher margins than in commodity businesses. Opportunities abound - renewable energy to replace oil and coal, electric cars, solid state lighting, genetic engineering, etc.
- pborden
May 12, 2010 at 12:54pm
Was looking for something on an entirely different subject moments ago and stumbled into this written in 2004 no less: External Contradictions of the Chinese Development Model: Why China Must Abandon Export-led Growth or Risk a Global Economic Contraction By Thomas I . Paley Published by the Political Economy Research Institute at UMass, Amherst. Abstract China’s current development model faces an external constraint that promises to cause an economic hard landing. China has become a global manufacturing powerhouse, and its size now renders its export-led growth strategy no longer sustainable. China relies on the U.S. market, but the scale of its exports is contributing to the massive U.S. trade deficit, creating financial fragility and undermining the U.S. manufacturing sector. These developments threaten to stall the U.S. economy’s recovery, in turn triggering a global recession that will impact China.
- roidubouloi
May 12, 2010 at 1:03pm
Phew! Glad to see someone is still able to develop a defensable and coherent line of thought in TNR, even if arguable. If not for Judis, this joint had already transformed into an asylum for schlerotics (hey, there are people saying that Portugal is still a 14th century farming nation, crisis in Spain is dued to muslim immigrants, etc.) or for lunatic Obamanists!
- Ideaot
May 12, 2010 at 1:20pm
When I look at the piles of rubbish outside my neighbors' garages on trash day, I think that Americans already consume too much. Even if new markets and new consumer goods can be found, along with population growth, we're sucking poor Mother Earth dry, and poisoning her as well. Horrible as it is to think, recession and depression -yes, and war too - are ways of flushing the veins, clearing out the debris before new growth can begin. If the financial sector had been allowed to fail, horrible consequences would have followed, but eventually a wiser, more viable system would have emerged, as it did in the 1950's after depression and war. Capitalism is like a shark: it must move forward or suffocate. It would be nice to think that we could reach an equilibrium where everyone cd enjoy peace and prosperity forever, but our economy needs to GROW, and growth requires more consumers, more population. It the end we're a biological life-form, and a species always outgrows its habitat until disease, predators, or natural disasters cut it back. Unless we can grow to the other planets and then to the stars we will outgrow our base and need to be cut back periodically. Perhaps there is a way out of this biological determinism - and if there is we'll find it someday - but I don't know what it is, and I don't know anyone who does..
- robertcrosmav
May 12, 2010 at 1:30pm
This is not quite right. Consider the fact that there are 300 million middle-class Chinese and Indians who didn't exist fifty years ago. They are making our "tradeable goods" for far less than we can, and drawing salaries we can't live on but that, for the first time, allow them to scrimp and save and buy cars, computers, etc. All that middle-class wealth in India and China is coming out of the pockets of the guy who used to be a machinist in Flint but now is lucky to snag a job as a night clerk in a Courtyard by Marriott.
- Mikelawyr22
May 12, 2010 at 1:32pm
The problem which was properly asserted by Judis is a problem of effective demand. The last time producers were operating at full capacity (synonymous with full employment) was during WWII and possibly the late 90s. As the first couple posts pointed out there are plenty of emerging markets, but apparently could not connect the dots - just because there is significant potential for demand in India, there is just no demand there now. Firms regularly expand their productive capacity to account for any unexpected increase in demand. This is at the heart of every theory of the business cycle. (except the whack jobs who think the cycle doesn't exist, "the economy is just adjusting") Roid - what you claim to be the profit rate is actually the output/capital ratio (that has NOT been constant). The profit share, which is many times mislabeled as the profit rate, is the ratio of profit to output. The changes in profit share in the article are actually quite accurate - firms were fighting back against the lowered profit share (as the entire basis of capitalism rests on the premise of accumulation of profit) and were able to facilitate the rise of Reagan and neoliberalism. Since that time the profit share has steadily increased. As the increase occurs the workers share of the produce has decreased leading to depressed mass consumption. This in turn lowers the effective demand leaving excess capacity and overproduction. This article is spot on, and Roid, Tom Palley says it better than I in "Plenty of Nothing."
- chasedehan
May 12, 2010 at 1:41pm
while there is indeed global over-capacity in tradeable goods, it helps to go micro- in one's analysis. Most of the overcapacity in automobile assembly is in Europe and Russia, not in China, India, Brazil, or even the U.S. Instead of bashing China for the U.S. trade deficit, can someone look at the percentage due to imported oil and automobiles? neither of which are coming from China. blackton makes an excellent point about the immense potential for consumption from the 2/3 of global population still stuck in either grinding poverty, or below the income level that enables discretionary consumption. Still, Judis is on the right track in identifying the macro trends. Maybe he can tackle the absurdity of U.S. subsidies to cotton farmers who then export raw cotton to China to make sheets and towels for export back to the United States. What can I say? I miss Wamsutta sheets and Cannon towels, formerly MADE IN THE USA, victims of the Wal-Martish drive non-durable-consumer-prices-lower-phenomenon that was generally applauded by everyone in Washington. The objective of low consumer price inflation was won at the expense of American workers.
- K2K
May 12, 2010 at 3:01pm
Chasadahan, I am not confusing capital share of output with the profit rate. The capital share over the last 60 years has declined slowly from about 41% to about 36% in that period. If you take that 36% of national income -- the non-wage share -- and divide by the capital in current dollars you get the profit rate. I just went through this exercise using the BEA data and the profit rate has been almost stuck at 10%, plus or minus a bit, for 60 years. Of course, profit shares amongst sectors are constantly varying. The point about effective demand is correct in a general way, but we cannot sustain a world economy in which the effective demand is secularly in one place and the output in another. The differences have to be bridged by credit and that can only go on for just so long -- as we have recently learned for the nth time.
- roidubouloi
May 12, 2010 at 3:32pm
I suggest posters here read this and then discuss how "innovation" will save us all: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-gomory/the-innovation-delusion_b_480794.html And Roid, please illuminate us on where profits are generated these days in the US. It's not the industrial sector, it's mainly in finance, right? That is not healthy.
- tnmats
May 12, 2010 at 11:10pm
Nice point mats, though I think he's excessively pessimistic. Better, within Gomory's piece is a link to a 2003 Buffet piece on Thriftville and Squanderville, suggesting an Import Credit market linked to our exports. Haven't thought of potential problems, but it is a clever idea, and one way to balance our trade, which would also address Gomory's point.
- ds111
May 13, 2010 at 12:16am
as reported by CBS News today: "A billboard in Buffalo, NY has a pointed message for President Barack Obama: "Dear Mr. President, I need a freakin job. Period." "
- K2K
May 13, 2010 at 9:05am
tnmats, There is no question in my mind but that the finance sector is out of control and I doubt whether what is on the table now is sufficient to rein it in. That, however, is very different point than the one Judis is making. A serious problem, but a different problem. It is a deep question (about which I might write a doctoral dissertation except that I think it might be more work than I want to do) just how the finance sector is generating these profits. If the market were "sound" then it would have to be by providing services with this value. In the abstract, it is extremely difficult to see how the services provided by the financial sector could be see large relative to the real economy. On its face, seems unlikely. If the profits were bona fide trading profits, then there would have to be losers somewhere. Hard to see how there could be trading losers who account for 40% of the US profit share. That too seems unlikely. The third alternative (at least I cannot think of any others) is that finance is essentially printing money. I have not thought through all of the mechanics of this, but it is clear that functional money is not just bank deposits and not just currency or high level deposits with the Fed. So, I think the finance sector has been issuing its own money and thereby imposing what amounts to a tax on the economy to generate its so-called profits. Because the wage share has not declined over this period (it has actually increased), the tax has to be coming out of profits. Bottom line, it looks to me like finance is helping itself to a big piece of national profits. That is a big problem for many reasons, including that it helps fuel bubbles and market instability and that when the paper profits disappear we all pay. But it has not the cause (more an effect) of trade imbalances.
- roidubouloi
May 13, 2010 at 10:07am
Roi, It was indeed a form of money printing, via an explosive expansion in leverage. Essentially, lenders (to banks and former investment banks) were willing to fund the expansion in leverage, assuming it was money good lending, while the lenders, and management and equity holders were ignorant to the risks. I suspect that with leverage now significantly constrained, the profits, at least as a share of national profits, will shrink considerably.
- ds111
May 13, 2010 at 12:22pm
Roid, There is a large and definitely growing body of research attributing crises to fluctuations in the profit rate within heterodox economics (Like Tom Palley and most economists at U Mass). The changing profit rate I have always taken as non-debatable, because shown by empirical data, but while it is a compelling argument, I personally do not prescribe to these theories. Just do a search of scholarly articles on "Marxian Crisis Theory." However, as with any data studies, it also matters how it is measured. I too have calculated and plotted BEA data with regards to profit rate, profit share and output-capital ratio and there are most definitely variations along the past 60 years. I have used profit as being the addition of corporate profits, net interest payments, rental income, net business transfers and proprietor's income. (NIPA table 1.10 lines 13-17) That absolute profit amount divided by capital stock, calculated as net stock of private non-residential fixed assets (NIPA table 1.1 line 4), gives the profit rate. As to your opinion of effective demand, you are absolutely correct that the US being the "borrower of last resort" is inherently unstable but necessary in the short run to help developing countries balance of payment problems. My opinion on the whole situation would be a shrinking of the world economy into a more localized economy with luxury goods being the principle long distance tradable goods.
- chasedehan
May 13, 2010 at 12:36pm
ds111, No question that the leverage is essential to the money-printing as money creation is but one form of the issuance of liabilities. I am not at all convinced that the proposals on the table are sufficient to prevent the huge leverage that led to the crisis -- both on the books and off. Indeed, much of it is still there and the bankers have become addicted to printing money rather than earning it. In particular, I think Blanche Lincoln's proposal to get the banks out of the derivatives business was sound. If Volcker succeeds in scotching it, I think we will have trouble again and rather quickly too. I don't understand what he is thinking. Chasedehan, I did pretty much that same exercise with a couple of differences. I start with NNP and subtract all forms of labor income because the categories of capital income are a bit squirrelly. In theory it should come out to the same place. I also included residential fixed assets because the interest they generate is a return on capital. There are some problems doing it my way because it lumps the equity in although there is no explicit return on that equity, but since the mortgage balance tends to be larger than the equity, I think there is a smaller error than doing it the way you did. One could get really into the trenches and start making adjustments, but I don't think the overall picture would change that much. The capital costs have to be adjusted to current dollars using the NIPA adjustment tables because the prices of the different classes of capital do not move at the same rates. When I did it, I came out with surprisingly little variation in the profit rate. There is a good way to confirm that result. The profit rate is also the capital productivity multiplied by the capital share of output. The capital share has been quite stable although declining slowly -- and it is easier to get a handle on. The profit rate would have to be about equally stable unless capital is varying rapidly and that should certainly not be the case. I don't think we have to shrink the world economy. We just have to recognize that we cannot have large or secular trade imbalances and that we cannot rely on the market to prevent them. The theorists of the Chicago school who claim that the market will adjust for this sufficiently quickly are just wrong. Out and out wrong. Unfortunately, this is the orthodox theory and it is dominant. I too am at one of those heterodox institutions like UMass. Lots of left over Marxists. I am not one of them, but I appreciate their point of view a lot more than that of the neo-classical/monetarist crowd who I think are charlatans.
- roidubouloi
May 13, 2010 at 1:21pm
"We just have to recognize that we cannot have large or secular trade imbalances and that we cannot rely on the market to prevent them. The theorists of the Chicago school who claim that the market will adjust for this sufficiently quickly are just wrong." Roi, I don't think Chicago school theorists are wrong, at least not at the theoretical level. The theory can't assume Chinese intervention, at both the currency and industry level, the absence of which would cause rapid adjustment. I'm all for the willingness of others to delay the fruits of their labor so that we may live better today on cheap stuff from Walmart, but our indulgence can't be free, we are likely living off previously accumulated wealth, but increasingly borrowing from tomorrow's. The initial appeal of Buffet's Import Credit suggestion is it's lack of invasiveness, while pushing us in the direction of balanced trade. Need to look into it more though.
- ds111
May 13, 2010 at 3:58pm
ds111 - The place where the Chicago theorists are wrong is mostly at the theoretical level in the way they (mainstream orthodox theories) make assumptions. As one of my former professors exclaimed "If you can assume away reality, then the models work fabulously." This goes for the majority of economics based on rigorous micro foundations - assuming away reality. roid - Differences in calculation could get argued away forever. Where are you - New School? Utah?
- chasedehan
May 13, 2010 at 5:03pm
New School. Your point to ds111 is EXACTLY on target.
- roidubouloi
May 13, 2010 at 10:33pm
The quoted professor came from the New School.
- chasedehan
May 14, 2010 at 12:42am
Agreed. If we had ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had eggs!
- ds111
May 14, 2010 at 6:56am
And any one of them at the New School could have said that. It's what I like about the place. I don't care for faith-based economics.
- roidubouloi
May 14, 2010 at 7:30am