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NOVEMBER 16, 2012

The Ecstasy and Agonies of a Permanent Democratic Majority

BARACK OBAMA’S REELECTION is evidence of a Democratic realignment that dates back almost two decades. This might seem like a bold claim. After all, President Obama won by 3 percentage points—certainly no landslide. And many Republicans insist that his victory was a passing phenomenon. “There is no realignment, just a loss after a rain delay killed our starter’s momentum,” the radio talk-show host Hugh Hewitt wrote. Political scientists, too, were skeptical about the election’s significance. George Washington University’s John Sides insisted that a realignment cannot occur without “an extended period of party control,” and “a notable shift in policy.” Even those who discussed the election as marking a major change in U.S. politics generally confined themselves to one idea: namely, a growing Hispanic population finally displayed its power at the polls.

But the Republicans are in denial, and the political scientists are clinging to an outdated model. Due to the decline in party organization and the rise of independent voters, realignments have become more gradual and less comprehensive. They go by fits and starts. The conservative Republican realignment began in 1968, was waylaid by Watergate, and only resumed in 1980. At its height, during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, Republicans did not even control the House. The current Democratic realignment began in the Bill Clinton years, hit speed bumps during the 2002 and 2004 elections (thanks largely to September 11), and hit another bump in 2010, when voters blamed Obama for the flagging recovery. It resumed in earnest this year and is going strong.

By the same token, realignments don’t necessarily result in dramatic policy shifts. California went deeply blue in the mid-’90s but has been paralyzed on the policy front for years. Nationally, both Bill Clinton and Obama have had trouble getting things done even as public opinion was shifting their way. The reason for this is that U.S. politics consists of not one but two systems—a visible electoral process that supplies officeholders and a less visible machinery of interest groups and lobbies that influences both elections and governing.

In the wake of Obama’s reelection, the crucial question is whether the political realignment taking place will lead to an equally dramatic breakthrough for his agenda, which includes increasing spending on education and infrastructure and counteracting global warming. At the polling booth, Democrats have gained the upper hand. But outside the electoral arena, powerful forces will continue to encourage Republican intransigence. Only by taming and defeating them can Obama and his party deliver on the promise of realignment.

 

THE CURRENT Democratic dominance is the result of the shift of voting blocs away from the Republican Party and the growth of existing voting blocs within the Democratic Party. Women, young voters, and professionals were once predominately Republicans but have increasingly become Democrats. Professionals—who can be very roughly identified in exit polls as voters with advanced degrees—now make up approximately one-fifth of the electorate. They favored Obama by 55 to 42 percent. The margins are even higher in high-tech states like New Jersey, where they went for the president by two to one.

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Meanwhile, ethnic minorities are becoming both more Democratic and more numerous. African Americans continued to vote overwhelmingly Democratic and, this year, they turned out in greater numbers in the battleground states. In Ohio, they made up 12 percent of the population but 15 percent of the electorate and went 96 percent for the president. Hispanics and Asian Americans have also become more Democratic and were the key to Obama’s victories in Florida, Nevada, and Colorado. In Colorado, Hispanics were 14 percent of the electorate and backed Obama by three to one. Nationally, the Hispanic share of vote has increased from 7 percent in 2000 to 10 percent this year.

Republicans, by contrast, have become overwhelmingly white. Romney received 59 percent of the white vote, much of it concentrated in Deep South states like Mississippi, where he was backed by 89 percent of white voters, and in states like West Virginia and Kentucky, where coal and guns reign. However, in the New England states and in Washington and Oregon, Obama actually racked up a majority of the white vote. The discrepancy is the result of several factors, but in Southern and border states, white opposition to Obama may be partly based on race and may not carry over as much in future elections.

Loyal Republican voting blocs, which include white evangelicals, farmers, non-union blue-collar workers, small-business owners, managers, and CEOs, are not expected to grow proportionately. The Democrats—based in the Northeast, industrial Midwest, and the far West—can also be expected to eat away at Republican strength in the Southwest and South. In the coming years, Texas, Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia could become Democratic-leaning states. All of this, combined with the Democrats (and two sympathetic independents) taking 25 of 33 Senate races and actually winning a majority of the overall House vote (the Republicans retained control largely because of gerrymandering) suggests that there are underlying trends that are moving the electorate to support Democrats.

This Democratic coalition, like all coalitions, is held together not just by complementary interests, but also by a common worldview, which realignments can help cement. Not all members of a coalition subscribe to its outlook wholesale—in the 1930s, Southern whites chafed at some New Deal reforms, while today many African Americans are uneasy about gay marriage. But these voting blocs still feel more comfortable with the majority party than the opposition, and while that worldview holds, the coalition remains intact. In the case of today’s Democrats, there is no sign of a major rift, as there was over civil rights among yesterday’s Democrats.

The current Democratic philosophy reflects the outlook of the professionals who began joining the Democratic Party as early as the late ’60s. It was most clearly articulated by Clinton during his presidency and has been updated by Obama. This philosophy envisages the United States as part of a global marketplace. It seeks to provide Americans with the training to compete in that marketplace, as well as sufficient economic security to cope with the hardship that competition can bring. This vision entails funding education, scientific research, and technological innovation, but also strengthening and expanding the New Deal’s safety net.

Republicans could always count on Americans’ centuries-old distrust of government to counter this approach. According to 2012 exit polls, a majority of Americans think government is “doing too many things better left to individuals and businesses.” But this distrust has always co-existed with support for specific initiatives. When elections hinge on abstractions or unrealized programs, as the 2010 election partly did, Republicans fare well. When they hinge on specifics— like the auto bailout or taxes for the wealthy—Democrats often thrive. In the next four years, one major target of Republican attacks—Obama’s health care reform—will cease to be an abstraction. If the program is managed properly, it should become a Democratic asset.

Moreover, Democrats are winning increasing support for a socially liberal agenda, particularly among women and young voters. In 2004, George W. Bush raised the specter of gay marriage to spur evangelicals to the polls. This year, Obama’s endorsement of gay marriage helped his campaign, as did Democrats’ championing of abortion rights. The country was once evenly divided on this issue, but in this year’s exit polls, 59 percent of the electorate said that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Those voters went overwhelmingly for Obama. In two socially conservative states, Missouri and Indiana, voters rejected Republican Senate candidates who had made draconian remarks about abortion.

Right now, there is a lot of talk among Republicans about the need to “welcome” women and Hispanics to the party. But words alone won’t do the trick. New voting blocs will demand that the GOP break with much of its political base, and since the nominating process is still controlled by voters and not Washington elites, that won’t happen overnight. The GOP’s best hope lies in Democratic stumbles, which happened in the fall of 2009 and summer of 2011, and could happen again.

 

THE U.S. POLITICAL system works differently from that of most other democracies. In Western Europe, political democracy came out of a struggle among labor, business, and agricultural interests, and the parties became identified with them. In the United States, universal male suffrage dated from early capitalism before national interest groups had taken root. As a result, the United States developed two parallel sources of political power: the electoral system, which chooses and elects candidates; and the pressure system—the lobbies, interest groups, and political organizations that try to influence not only who gets elected, but what politicians do after the votes are counted. Only when a party dominates the pressure system can it truly advance its agenda.

During the New Deal, Franklin Roosevelt and the Democrats were able to enact far-reaching reforms, because the rise of labor and populist organizations effectively countered the older business lobbies, which were discredited and divided after the stock market crash. In the early ’70s, however, corporations began setting up hundreds of lobbies on or around Washington’s K Street in response to the creation of new regulatory agencies. They also formed the Business Roundtable and funded new conservative think tanks and policy groups. These lobbies worked with Republicans to defeat Jimmy Carter’s liberal initiatives on labor law, consumer protection, and campaign finance. The business lobbies were initially leery of Reagan, but eventually backed his campaign and presidency. In the ’90s, the political system began tilting toward Democrats, but the pressure system is still very much dominated by big business and its Republican allies.

When Clinton took office, major corporate groups, including the Chamber of Commerce, were willing to work with him. Sensing danger, Grover Norquist, Newt Gingrich, and John Boehner succeeded in convincing business to oppose Clinton’s health care plan. Afterward, they created an odd alliance, led by the Chamber and the National Federation of Independent Business and political organizations like Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform. These groups worked with the Christian Coalition and the National Rifle Association, with the tacit understanding that each would support the other’s initiatives. That coalition helped elect and influence the Republican Congress from 1994 through George W. Bush’s presidency.

There was a countervailing alliance that tried to boost the Democrats, but they were heavily outgunned. Under attack from corporations, private-sector unions began hemorrhaging members in the ’80s. In 2005, the labor movement split into two warring federations. While consumer and environmental groups remained intact, they were at best able to block frontal assaults from the business lobbies. Some new Internet-based groups aided the Democratic resurgence in the Bush era, but were less successful in influencing domestic policy.

After the Great Recession took hold, the constellation of conservative organizations, strengthened by the rise of the Tea Party, moved once again to thwart the Democrats. In Obama’s first two years, conservatives succeeded in diluting his efforts at financial reform, environmental regulation, and national health insurance, and they blocked his attempt to boost the economy after the initial stimulus dissipated. Karl Rove’s American Crossroads, the Club for Growth, and other conservative political groups—buoyed by the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling—poured money into the 2010 and 2012 elections, hoping to elect Republicans.

The Club for Growth and various Tea Party groups also hoped to purge the party of legislators like Indiana Senator Dick Lugar, who had been willing to cooperate with Obama. These groups failed abysmally to win a Senate majority, but they may have succeeded in retaining a cadre of Republicans willing to perpetuate the gridlock that plagued the last Congress. Given that Lugar and Maine’s Olympia Snowe are gone, while Club for Growth favorites Ted Cruz of Texas and Jeff Flake of Arizona won their races, the Republican Senate caucus has become somewhat more conservative—as has the Republican House.

Some Democrats blame the recent stalemate on Senate filibuster rules and urge filibuster reform as a first order of business. That’s not a bad idea, but it’s not a solution, either. Until recently, senators only filibustered legislation that struck at the heart of their constituency. In the last four years, however, they have been willing to filibuster almost any Democratic initiative. That’s not because Republicans have become nastier people, but because they are under intense pressure from conservative and business groups that brook no compromise. In the wake of Obama’s reelection, there are certainly going to be tactical disputes within the Republican constellation of interest and pressure groups. But all of them are likely to find common cause when it comes to opposing the Democrats’ economic agenda of higher taxes on the rich, public investment, and protecting consumers and the environment.

 

WHAT CAN OBAMA and the Democrats do to counteract the power of the business-Republican behemoth? One obvious move is to encourage and subsidize pressure groups on the left, such as labor unions and organizations like Moveon.org. In the past, these groups were snubbed or ignored by the administration in favor of its own operation, which lay dormant until the election. But the most important step that Democrats can take is to transfer the fight for their agenda from the realm of pressure groups, where they are vulnerable, to the electorate, where they hold the advantage.

Almost all Obama’s troubles during his first term can be traced to his reliance on a purely insider strategy. He almost failed to get a health care bill at all by resting his hopes on backroom negotiations in the Senate and with drug companies. He embarrassed himself by trying to privately reach a “grand bargain” with Republican leaders on the debt ceiling. Conversely, when Obama and the Democrats have waged war for their causes in public, they have succeeded. In April 2010, Democrats were on their way to forfeiting a once-in-a-generation chance at financial reform when the Securities and Exchange Commission indicted Goldman Sachs for fraud. Obama and the Democrats took to the stump and finally passed a bill with the support of three Senate Republicans.

So far, Obama has displayed a willingness to openly battle for his agenda almost exclusively while campaigning rather than governing. But what happened this year in California might provide a fine lesson for the administration. Since 1996, Democrats have controlled both California’s Assembly and state Senate and occupied most of its state offices. Yet a Republican minority in the legislature has caused repeated fiscal crises by blocking any tax increases. This year, after Governor Jerry Brown and other Democrats failed to negotiate a budget with the Republicans, they put the issue of taxes to a referendum and won a tax increase to fund the state’s declining school system. At the same time, Democrats won a super-majority in the Assembly and in the state Senate that will allow them to raise taxes without seeking Republican cooperation.

Obama and the Democrats can’t hope for super-majorities anytime soon. Indeed, redistricting will make it very difficult for the Democrats to recapture the House in the next election. But they can emulate Brown’s strategy of taking politics out of the backroom. That’s what Obama has to do as he faces Republican threats to allow the United States to tumble over the so-called fiscal cliff. The alternatives are stark: increase public investment and pay for it partly by ending tax cuts for the very rich, as Obama urged in his campaign; or keep the tax cuts and pay for them by cutting Social Security and Medicare, as Republicans advocate. If the vote were taken on K Street and Wall Street, the Republican alternative would win hands down; but if America’s electorate has a choice, Obama and the Democrats will triumph.

John B. Judis is a senior editor at The New Republic. This article appeared in the December 6, 2012 issue of the magazine under the headline “Is This It? 

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A well-thought-out article with new (for me) insights. Easy to understand, too. I never thought of the pressure system as an alternate government, but it is. But the electorate can override this shadow government to a degree, if Democrats are inventive and persistent enough to get the electorate involved in policy. With Twitter and Facebook and e-mail and TV available to them, I can see them energizing the public enough to get a few important things done for the American people. I wish them luck. Speaking of Goldman Sachs, whose criminal activities the author mentioned, I saw CEO Blankfein on TV the other day, and he was saying that people shouldn't be collecting Social Security retirement pay for more years than they worked. This from the guy who just collected another $5 million-plus for 10-year stock options that were probably a result of criminal activity on his part. What an arrogant toad. He's never worked an honest day in his life. I hope by the time that he retires from a life of crime that extremely rich people are barred from collecting Social Security.

- magboy47.

December 1, 2012 at 1:11am

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for ten years (at least) the nation has to deal with "redistricted" (gerrymandered) sets of voters for House members, and indeed, some of the GOP will take comfort. indeed, currently, with several major matters contested between the two parties, the "real" *deadline* is actually in novembre of 2014. and indeed, it is therefore vital that efforts to thwart the results that gerrymandering produces be made sooner rather than later. given modern means, doing this isn't as unlikely as in the past, and would mitigate many serious problems, etc. currently, some think the GOP is capable of seeing that they cannot do more than make token struggles before giving way to Dems because of the much-touted "fiscal cliff." but others know better than to think of various developments prior to the voting in 2014, and which matter greatly as for the coming next few months. voters often are said to have short memories. campaigns leading to 2014 might work to overcome that perception in terms of electing a new majority in the House as soon as possible, gerrymandering notwithstanding.

- cdmcl3

December 1, 2012 at 7:59am

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I agree with Judis's conclusion that Democrats succeed when they take their case to the electorate. But he mostly ignores the primary motivating force for the electorate: economics. Romney and his campaign manager are correct that the only economic group Obama won was the group earning less than $50,000. What's the magic of $50,000? It's right at the median for household income. Which explains why our elections are so damn close. Bump a few up or below that line and the outcome can change. And for those close to the line, perceptions are almost as important as actual location above or below it. I would argue that the line should be well above $50,000, and it's only due to the incompetence of the Democrats that has driven the line so low. The incompetence I am referring to occurred in the 1980s, when the Democrats, working with Senator Dole and President Reagan, approved the largest lower to middle income tax increase in history, phased-in over a long period, eventually turning millions of ordinary working Americans into tax protesters and Republicans. Now, 30 years later, we face a very similar dilemma. If Democrats hang onto the false idea that they lost working Americans as the result of a better funded political machine and various cultural issues, I fear the Democrats will repeat the same mistake.

- rayward

December 1, 2012 at 8:36am

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A good article. However, I think that the argument that democrats win when they take the arguments to the people should be augmented to include the crucial point that it works only when the people are paying attention. Sadly, I think it worked this time around because of the presidential race, and the bs 'horserace' theme of the media. The president and the democrats are, I'm sure, often out in front of the people arguing for their programs, but if the people don't pay attention... Also, during a presidential race, you vote, once, and sum up all your views. Now, if I want to support the democratic program, I don't get that solid 'vote', I have to mail/email a bunch of people (and since I'm from a red state, my people are alraedy opposed to democratic programs), and mail/email a bunch of peple in the House who matter (most of whom are not from my state, so why should they care what the hell I think/want?). Also, to Rayward's comment about the $50,000 line. I concur! Am I better off than I was four years ago? At the risk of bragging, the answer is hell yes!- and I'm finally over that $50,000 line, which means I've got the money to contribute to political parties, something I didn't have last time around.

- Tobbar

December 1, 2012 at 11:00am

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"If Democrats hang onto the false idea that they lost working Americans as the result of a better funded political machine and various cultural issues, I fear the Democrats will repeat the same mistake." rayward, I did notice that Obama & Co. obsessed in public over the last 2 years on keeping taxes on the middle class from being raised. They also said repeatedly that not raising taxes on the rich would mean more of a tax burden for the middle class. And they gave an annual per-person number (which I forgot--I think it was in the low thousands). Maybe they're learning, eh?

- magboy47.

December 1, 2012 at 11:09am

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a few points, Obama won by more than 3.5% and 4.5 million votes and a 332 to 206 landslide. It was not remotely close. As to gerrymandering, yes Democrats got more than 600,000 votes nationwide for the House than Republicans but at present there is no theoretical non gerrmymander that would show that because in the House as Democrats are concentrated far more in urban districts. And in areas were Democratic votes are more diffuse as in the south, soutern blacks and southern whites conspired to ensure there would be majority black house districts. However since the electorate is turning bluer about 1% each year by 2020 the House can flip back to a Democratic majority. My one concern in 2016. In 2014 Democrats will not retake the house (but because of their margin nationwide will not lose any seats) however the Senate has a good chance of flipping from blue to red. This means that in 2016 the House and Senate can be Republican and a combination of Obama fatigue, a sluggish economy (I think Republicans will do their best to tank the economy) and a competent Republican candidacy could mean Republicans win in 2016, coupled with how many states have Republicans governments Judis article above might seem like a cruel joke as Republicans try to roll back as much of the new deal they can in their short window.

- blackton

December 1, 2012 at 11:34am

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i don't want to take a defeatist attitude about the House in 2014. there's no reason to do that. there are alternatives, as there should be.

- cdmcl3

December 1, 2012 at 11:44am

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America has two federal tax systems, one for the affluent, called the income tax, and the other for ordinary working Americas, called the payroll tax. The former has been going down during the past 30 years, the latter has been going up during the same period. Various proposals for "tax reform" now being considered, including the Bowles-Simpson plan, would reduce income tax rates in return for the promise to reduce or eliminate so-called "tax expenditures", the same version of "reform" that was the Reagan version of tax reform. What Democrats wish to forget is that they went along with both the Reagan tax reform and the enormous increase in the payroll tax adopted at about the same time, the latter the largest tax increase on ordinary working Americans in history. Since that payroll tax increase was adopted, almost $3 trillion of payroll tax receipts have been "loaned" to the federal government to pay operating expenses, including the cost of wars in the middle east, and to offset income tax cuts primarily benefiting the wealthy, not to pay the social security benefits the tax was intended to fund. Obama's proposal to raise income taxes on the wealthy would raise an additional $4 trillion over the next ten years, barely enough to repay the sums "borrowed" from the social security trust fund. Obama has also been receptive to the Bowles-Simpson version of tax reform which, if adopted, would decimate the government's ability to raise additional revenue and, if history is a guide, would be a sure path to endless deficits. Why? Because tax rates, once cut, require an act of God to increase, whereas tax expenditures grow like kudzu. And also if history is a guide, another increase in the payroll tax is likely, as it will be sold as being necessary to "save" social security, the same tactic used to sell the increase in the payroll tax in the 1980s. Republicans are in love with the payroll tax, because it's the flat tax they have been promoting for many years; and Senator McConnell has stated many times that if it were up to him, the sums "borrowed" from the social security trust fund would not be repaid with income tax receipts The Democrats fell into this trap in the 1980s. Why should we expect them to avoid the same trap today, especially when they have convinced themselves that they lost the support of many working Americans as the result of a better funded political machine and various cultural issues, not the economic issues that are the primary motivating force for the electorate.

- rayward

December 1, 2012 at 12:05pm

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blackton, your gerrymandering point is muddled. I think you're saying that because Dem votes are concentrated in cities, even if not gerrymandered there would be lots of "wasted" votes in those districts for the Dems (an 75%-25% Dem district "wastes" 24% of those Dem votes if, ideally, you could spread them out). But that doesn't mean that gerrymandering made no difference to who controls the House. In Illinois the new pro-Democrat gerrymandering (unusual - the GOP controls more states than Dems) absolutely won the Dems two districts that were GOP and would have likely stayed GOP, and helped one that was a tossup, all nonwithstaning the "gimme" districts in Chicago.

- Lymon1

December 1, 2012 at 12:47pm

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Lymon, my only point is that the 600,000 voting advantage in any theoretical perfect set of house districts would not necessarily lead to a Democratic control of the House. Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on how you look at it, Obama won nearly 4 million more votes than the Democratic Congress did. The ticket splitting is what is most interesting about this election. Look at how many districts Obama won but a Republican in Congress won. In these districts there is a lot of either latent Republican or Republican votes. But exactly how many of those 600,000 are "wasted" I haven't broken it down but looking at places like NYC and other big cities I am guessing it is pretty close to that figure.

- blackton

December 1, 2012 at 5:47pm

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Got it and no argument. One additional point I'd make about gerrymandering is that it polarizes the House and squeezes out moderates and/or compromise. It does this directly by creating an artificial number of "deep red" or "deep blue" districts. I've heard the argument that it indirectly does this for the senate because the House is the prime source of senate candidates but I'm not sure about that (sometimes it backfires, like in Indiana).

- Lymon1

December 2, 2012 at 5:52pm

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Judis writes: "Even those who discussed the election as marking a major change in U.S. politics generally confined themselves to one idea: namely, a growing Hispanic population finally displayed its power at the polls." Of course, reporting backed by hard numbers is always better than numberless assertions. As Kim Strassel reported in the WSJ, the republicans lost in the key swing states (FL, VA, OH, NH) by 334K votes combined. That's 75K per state. What Obama did effectively was find people, stick people on a bus, take them to the polls, help them vote (in the case of the mentally handicapped that the dems ushered to the polls) and then put them back on the bus and take them to a pizza party as a thank you for voting. So, what is the message for 2016? That a $2B election comes down to a tiny number of voters in swing states. And if you can shower $50 of attention on each of these voters via pizza parties, buses and beer, then it only costs 300K * 50 = $15M and you've won. This is the problem (or not, depending on how you view it) with multi-week long drawn out elections. It's become nothing but an endurance contest to sweep the streets for the clueless and careless, and take them to the poll with coaching and then give them a slice of pepperoni in return. Judis writes: "New voting blocs will demand that the GOP break with much of its political base, and since the nominating process is still controlled by voters and not Washington elites, that won’t happen overnight." , Uh, no. Reagan granted amnesty and the favor wasn't returned to the GOP, in fact, the GOP was severely penalized. Plus, for hispanic voters, immigration isn't that big of an issue. Pandering to give folks free stuff certainly isn't good for the country either, even though Obama has been very effective with that approach. The best thing the GOP can do to court the larger Hispanic vote is to do what they've been doing: Continue to watch republican Hispanic leaders climb in stature and influence. And instead of showing the folks of color in the back of the stage as the dems do, keep the folks of color in the spotlight as the republicans have done. The message will sink in. It just takes time. Judis might have done better in this article to look back at LBJ's approach here, and to have read the words of LBJ when figuring out how to build a "200 year" majority: "I'll have those ni**ers voting democratic for the next 200 years" That, in fact, is how LBJ felt about the black vote. And he established a system of dependency to ensure just that. Add to that the enormous number of black dem leaders that are relegated to fringes of crazyville by the party (from Maxine Waters to Hank Johnson) and soon you realize the minorities have never meant anything other to the dems than a sure-thing voting block. yes, the have the minority numbers, but they don't have any leaders. Big, big difference. Again, given time, this will be figured out. Black voters and Hispanic voters will not be so kind to the dems when an old white guy (or gal) is begging for their vote in 2016. Obama was an anomaly.

- seattleeng

December 2, 2012 at 8:00pm

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I don't know where seattleng gets the idea that the Democratic turnout was motivated by pizza parties. In NC we had water and granola bars ready for voters who were waiting in line when the polls closed, but do you really think that the people waiting in line to vote in FL after the election had been called were motivated by pizza? Talk about "numberless assertions". Plenty of minority voters waited hours to vote. Maybe they were motivated in part by the efforts in several states to limit early voting and suppress the minority vote. Not to mention that insulting characterization of Democratic voters as clueless & careless, that's right up there with the supposed quote from LBJ. As though the Republican electorate is universally well informed and educated about the issues? And being without a ride to the polls makes you ignorant? I have yet to hear what "free stuff" has been promised by Obama to all of us clueless voters. Romney famously talked about "free health care", but folks getting insurance through the PCIP of the ACA are paying for it. Plenty of ignorance to go around.

- s.trabka@frontier.com-old

December 2, 2012 at 9:21pm

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More on the subject of numberless assertions: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_12/why_do_asian_americans_vote_so041529.php#more

- s.trabka@frontier.com-old

December 2, 2012 at 9:28pm

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Nice made up numbers there seattle. Florida Obama won by 74,309 (and considering how many votes were suppressed by 7 hour wait times in minority districts the number would have been much higher) Virginia 149,298 Ohio 164,720 NH 39,643 (but considering how few voters are there a bogus example) Now consider the percentages. Florida by nearly .88% (and it was the closest) Virginia 3.88% Ohio 2.95% NH 5.58% (and where the hell are the Hispanic and black voters there?) So keep up with your self delusion guy. Whatever makes you happy. Made up numbers, made up facts...it is good for a great laugh. Obama, so far with many provisional votes still to be counted, leads the popular vote total 65,331,490 to 60,698,914 for a difference of 4,632,576 and for the percentage 50.94% to 47.33% for 3.61% victory margin. Bush only won by 2.4% so Obama won by half again as much.

- blackton

December 3, 2012 at 12:14am

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I said "As Kim Strassel reported in the WSJ, the republicans lost in the key swing states (FL, VA, OH, NH) by 334K votes combined." Blackton comes back with "Florida Obama won by 74,309 (and considering how many votes were suppressed by 7 hour wait times in minority districts the number would have been much higher)...Virginia 149,298...Ohio 164,720...NH 39,643" Punch those 4 numbers into a calculator, and you get 421K. Strassel's report was 334K was on Nov 6, and you are using data from Dec 2. I don't think your data materially contradicts the point. Apology accepted. sasanqua writes: "I don't know where seattleng gets the idea that the Democratic turnout was motivated by pizza parties. " From an AP article written by Julie Carr Smyth and dated October 26. Read much? The Buckeyes for Obama had signs made that said "Free Food. Come Together. Make History", along with free bumper stickers and free rides to polling places. Glowing articles have been written about the Obama campaigns database (see the Atlantic piece from Nov 16). At the root of it, the database did a good job of finding unmotivated voters that leaned left, and gave them the support they needed to get to the polls. This support came in the form of email, facebook friends, calls, bus rides, and yes, pizza. Call a slacker 10 times, blast his facebook account so his friends can apply further pressure, email him, text him, make him feel important, tell him you will pick him up or help him fill out his vote-by-mail form, give him a slice of pie, and guess what, you earned a vote. So, my assertions is exactly what the Obama team claims it is. And in the end, this is what campaigning will become: Find the 400K people in a few swing states that like your guy, but don't vote for one reason or another. And make them vote. This has nothing to do with race (the flawed premise of the article). It has everything to do with making the non-voters vote. Sasanqua writes: "Not to mention that insulting characterization of Democratic voters as clueless & careless, that's right up there with the supposed quote from LBJ....As though the Republican electorate is universally well informed and educated about the issues?" Actually, when they test these things, yes, the R's are better informed than the D's. Facts is facts.

- seattleeng

December 3, 2012 at 2:30am

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Strassel's report was 334K was on Nov 6, and you are using data from Dec 2. I don't think your data materially contradicts the point. Apology accepted. Freaking hilarious. So you take numbers before the count is in and base a conclusion on those early numbers and it somehow doesn't contradict my point? Wait, at 8 PM on election night Romney was winning, so that makes him President, right? Due to voter suppression efforts many votes were cast provisionally yet legally, these votes are still being counted and they are overwhelmingly Democratic ones. Hence, the election was nowhere as close as that moron claimed. 150,000 is twice as much as 75,000 and is therefore twice as hard to make up and was the case in two of these 4 states. At most, Romney could have flipped Florida...so what? Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire were not motivated by pizza or whatever asinine rationale you came up with, and New Hampshire is overwhelming white and is a state that Romney has a home in and he still got trounced. Romney was a schmuck who only got the poetically fitting 47& of the idiot vote in America, old people, racist southerners, or rich people aching for another 20% tax cut. Take away the racist south and Obama won in a huge rout.

- blackton

December 3, 2012 at 8:31am

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It doesn't matter if it was 334K or 421K among those 4 states. That is a very, very small number across the swing states. You are missing the larger point in your hyperventilating. I'm not talking about what happened and its legitimacy (it was legit, make no mistake). I'm talking about what will become the norm in the future. This is all about ground game in the future because we have weeks to get folks to the polls. Obama had a 75K margin in FLA, and he had thousands of volunteers there. That is ~30 votes per volunteer. The longer voting windows means that the most important thing a campaign can do anymore is to find the unmotivated leaners and bring them in. Race isn't nearly as relevant as the pundits want it to be. No matter what, a D won't win texas, and an R won't win CA.

- seattleeng

December 3, 2012 at 12:27pm

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150,000 votes is not a small number in Virginia or in Ohio. Why the hell are you averaging them out? Putting NH into the average is insane. Might as well average two elections, one of 10 people and one of 1,000, just that in the group of 10 you only can convince 4 people, but in the 1,000 you get 480 Averaged out it looks good. 484 against 526 but in the real world NH gets far more bang for its buck because it gets 4 electoral votes, that means that even with Romney winning these other 3 states NH was impossibly out of reach, hence he would have lost. Now lets change the stats. Obama barely lost North Carolina by 92,004 votes, and had there not been curtailing of early voting would likely have won there as well. And for fun lets add in Alaska, Obama only lost that by 42,036 votes. He only lost Montana by 66,089 votes. In North Dakota he only lost by 63,354 votes. Over those 4 states, in which he spent very little money, he only lost by an average of 65,870 Now do you see how ludicrous it is to add NH to the list? By the way, Obama only lost by 304,861 votes in Georgia. As to the ground game, you ignore the fact that Obama and Democrats do better in registered versus likely voter polls. And there are far fewer swing states, the states Obama won by more than 5% added up to 272 electoral votes (yes, NH). 5% is a huge freaking number. I am not saying Republicans can't win, but it will take a very good Republican versus a lousy Democrat. In 2016 if Hillary runs that won't be the case, so you might have to wait potentially until 2024 if Hillary wins and is re-elected, by which point all the teabaggers will be dead.

- blackton

December 3, 2012 at 11:52pm

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