TEL AVIV JOURNAL AUGUST 5, 2011
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Almost no one in America cares about foreign affairs, especially not for Barack Obama’s foreign affairs. For he has made of almost his entire conduct of peace and war an amateurish mess, crude, provincial, impetuous, peaceably high-minded but stupid—and full of peril to the world, to its democracies, to the United States itself. If only he had the consistency of George McGovern, we would know that Obama is not really interested in other countries and movements friendly to us and our political ideas; actually, he has some sympathies for enemy states, as the 1972 Democratic candidate for president did for both the Soviet Union and North Vietnam. This is not Obama. He believes—or at least believed—that he can change the world by earnest talk with foreign leaders who share not a single philosophical tenet of egalitarian individualism or representative constitutionalism. Of course, it was not only flabby, earnest talk that he brought to the table. It was also a certain haughty sycophancy before alien potentates and despots whom he thought persuadable through blandishments and obsequy about just how central they were to world peace. Or to whatever.
Among the president’s enthusiastic 2008 followers there appears to be no recognition that he has failed at every foreign venture he has attempted. Indeed, the question of Darfur, the litmus test issue for young true-believers in the campaign that never quite became a presidential venture, has been spun off to a principled do-nothing bureaucrat who has not been able (or, for that matter, tried) to persuade any African or Arab government to treat the Sudanese president, indicted on charges of genocide by the International Criminal Court at The Hague, as being subject to arrest wherever he goes, which he is. There is no embarrassment when this head of state arrives anywhere in the region, and there is nothing that embarrasses Omar al-Bashir, neither mass murder nor rapine nor the theft from his people of some $9 billion in cash, according to WikiLeaks documents. Darfur, which should have been the simplest rendezvous with destiny, was unceremoniously dropped from the president’s agenda. Given this, why should we have expected anything more of Obama on more intricate matters? As for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, she travels around the world with all kinds of truisms that have not the semblance of conviction behind them, let alone the threat of force to back them up. So she is mostly talk. Hosni Mubarak was “family.” That was a choice she made. Unlike with her brothers, this family was not. With Bashar al-Assad, it was a little different. Hillary and her boss had the idiot idea that the monstrous president of Syria was a key to Arab-Israeli peace—or, if not a “key to,” a “prerequisite for.” He has now brutalized his own people so ruthlessly that, if ours were a parliamentary system, Obama would long ago have had to resign. He actually grasped nothing about the Syria in which he invested so much of his cachet.
Obama’s Middle East adventures began in Turkey, where he set out in the third month of his term to fix American relations with the Muslim world. Some informed people say (although I cannot swear) that the president’s initial ambition/intention was to go to Tehran and break, so to speak, with his own and Ahmadinejad’s hands the nuclear impasse. Such a visit, bound to fail, would in any case have derailed the always fragile but enduring relationship between the United States and Riyadh, where sits the temporal, if unofficial leader of all Sunnis and the absolute ruler of the Saudi oil kingdom. Instead, Obama went to Turkey, which also seemed a bit odd to the Arabs. Though Sunni Muslims, the Turks are, after all, not Arabs. Moreover, the Ottomans (that is, the Turks) had lorded over the Arabs since the second decade of the sixteenth century, almost exactly four centuries before 1917, with the sultan calling himself the Caliph of Islam and the Servant of the Holy Cities of Mecca and Medina. Chutzpah! as the Jews might say.
Why Obama wanted to make himself party to the ongoing destruction of the Ataturk revolution or of Kemalism I do not really know. Still, what has been happening in Turkey over the last decades and especially since 2003, when Recep Tayyip Erdogan became prime minister, is a struggle between imperfect but secular democracy and representative Islamic government with mob support. The drift is toward Muslim fundamentalism in schools, in the legal system, and in the wider culture, which means a clamping down on the liberal tenets that had made the country an ongoing open society. But not entirely, not quite. For example, there have been several attempts at military coups, serious ones. And perhaps most important for Erdogan’s Justice and Development Party, it has produced during the last decade a prosperity not known in Europe outside the Scandinavian countries. I suspect, however, that the president’s affections for Turkey are derived more from its religious character than from its prosperity or from its eroding republican virtues.
In fact, the president seems to have assumed that he would have a magic touch with all Muslims. But the fact is that, after two and one half years, he has a magic touch with none. Indeed, he has been a flop with virtually every Islamic society in which he has tried to score. And no one can say he didn’t try. Turkey is the most complicated case. It aspires to membership in the European Union. Europe, however, doesn’t want it. No one can pretend that the grounds are other than demographic: The EU is not happy about absorbing an additional 70 million Muslims as citizens or even quasi-citizens. The recent Danish imbroglio over reimposing border controls (either in violation of the Schengen Agreement or not in violation) is one instance of this resistance. The recent French barring of Libyans and Tunisians from crossing the frontier from Italy is another case of resistance. Maybe the bloodletting enormity in Norway will temper such state acts—though not for long. Still, Turkey makes the second largest troop commitment to NATO, and its soldiers have participated in both the Afghan war and in Libya to the extent, at least, that the alliance’s troops have been fighting on Qaddafi’s turf at all and more certainly than American forces have. Islam was never a problem with NATO. But that was largely because it was not yet the clerisy that was in charge at home.
Turkey will not be much of a democracy for long. It is already quite close to being a clerical state—and a clerical state that cannot make peace with its Kurds (who are also Muslims) or with its own exterminationist history against the Christian Armenians, of whom perhaps 1.5 million were killed, and maybe two million. Not, of course, that the secular Turks were ever able or willing to bridge or erode these defining chasms either.
Nonetheless, the separation of church and state was the defining characteristic of the new Turkey that came into being nearly a century ago. It is true that there was an exchange of populations between the new Turkey and the new Greece, between Muslims and Orthodox Christians—not, by the way, what is now called “ethnic cleansing” to shore up the shabby and utterly ahistorical Palestinian argument that being moved five miles (or 15 and 50) constitutes a fate just short of carnage. (Many such population movements were engineered in the years after World War II, from Eastern Europe to Germany, back and forth between India and Pakistan, from Formosa, Korea, and Manchuria to Japan, much of it entailing great suffering but very little of the historical mortgage brandished against Israel by Arab propaganda.)
“There is growing concern that the secular order in Turkey, based on laicism and the strict separation of church and state, is in danger,” writes the distinguished Turkish-German commentator Baha Gungor in a short essay titled, “Where are you going, Mr. Erdogan?” in Deutsche Welle:
Last Friday evening, the former head of the Turkish armed forces, General Isik Kosaner, alongside the commanders of the army, air force and navy, made for a domestic political earthquake of unseen magnitude in Turkey: They requested early retirement. Only Necdet Ozel kept his post as high commander of the paramilitary gendarmerie, a relatively junior position within the military.
In the meantime, Ozel was named chief of the army as well as temporary commander of the Turkish military. The shock waves will still be felt for a long time, despite all reassurances from Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul. The highest military council convened on Monday under Erdogan’s chairmanship, but there were five empty chairs at the table made for 14.
The dissatisfaction of the military proved too great—more than 250 middle- and high-ranking officers currently sit in pretrial detention for alleged coup plans against Erdogan. They share the fate of journalists and intellectuals who have been sitting in prison—some for up to two years—not knowing exactly what they are accused of. That’s why there is already doubt that the joy at a breakthrough against the Turkish military, one of the last bastions of anti-democracy in the country, is in fact misplaced.
The armed forces were namely a counterweight to the growing influence of religion in the government and society. There’s growing concern that the secular order in Turkey, based on the principle of laicism and the strict separation of church and state, is in danger. The revolutionary modernization and related westward orientation of the Turkish Republic, begun by its founder, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, is crumbling.
Where are you going with this, Mr. Erdogan? Where will the prime minister start, after his electoral victory of nearly 50 percent elevated him to a virtual democratically legitimate autocrat? The growing pressure on dissidents, on critical voices and on the media does not bode well. Should Erdogan's conservative religious Justice and Development Party win over a handfull of opposition lawmakers, he will rewrite the constitution and, with an approval in a voter referendum, be able to form a presidential republic out of Turkey.
With three coups since 1960 and further interferences in the democratic process under threat of more revolt, the Turkish military has not always served the country well. However it did constitute a guarantee against the turn away from western norms, from democracy and the rule of law. This guarantee is no longer there.
It was not surprising that Washington failed to engage with Ankara in last year’s provocations against Israel with the flotilla of ships trying to interfere with the Gaza blockade. Yet, in the post-takeover period, the U.S. tried and succeeded in fanning down the reflexive anti-Israel diplomacy that can be summoned in the U.N. at a moment’s notice. When the second wave of the flotilla was being launched a few months ago, however, Washington was simply irrelevant. Israel did its own diplomatic work with its new ally, Greece, and with Cyprus. The flotilla simply flopped, with Turkey actually cooperating in the failure.
For years, Turkey had been allied with Assad in his tremulous ventures with Iran and Lebanon, even though this put some strain on Erdogan’s Sunni loyalties, which were fundamentally at odds with the Tehran regime and the Shia insurgency of Hezbollah in Beirut. Now, of course, it is no longer an insurgency. For the truth is that Hassan Nasrallah is the governing figure in Lebanon. But, if Assad falls, Hezbollah falters. And, if both of these occur, Iran will be cut off from its past victories, which provided for it a long unofficial frontier right on the north of Israel. There are some signs that it is disturbed by Assad’s brutal response to what is, after all, a Sunni uprising, the victory of which it would not at all welcome. But countenance, it might. The rub for Ahmadinejad and for his actually more powerful antagonist Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is what Erdogan does.
Amir Taheri wrote in Al Arabiya on June 17 that a fight is brewing between Turkey and Iran over the future of Syria. It is not by any means a struggle for the freedom of the Syrian population. It is a struggle over an Arab population between two non-Arab regimes, one Persian, the other Turkish. Erdogan has already laid down the gauntlet. Taheri quotes him: “Today Turkey is offering a model to the Muslim world. … Turkey wants to become a voice for Muslims throughout the world.” Turkey has an advantage over Iran in that, like the great majority of Syrians, it is overwhelmingly Sunni. Whether Erdogan’s words will turn out to be more than words it is perhaps too early to know.
But what we do know is that Obama’s words (and Clinton’s, too), from the first demonstrations in Damascus to the latest in Hama, are morally inappropriate. Instead of applying its own rough sanctions to the Syrian regime, the U.S. has weighed in with paper sanctions on paper money that belong to people close to the Assad apparatus who doubtless did not wait to retrieve their assets from banks accessible to the American government. Still entranced by international institutions, Washington has allowed months to go by until a vague, even meaningless “presidential statement” (not even a resolution) altogether without teeth was passed by the U.N. Security Council two days ago. Of course, it was a compromise—not that the initial measure had any particular teeth in it either. So what did U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice get Beijing and Moscow to agree to? According to a piece in the Christian Science Monitor by Howard LaFranchi, to condemn “widespread violations of human rights and the use of force against civilians by Syrian authorities” and to express “grave concern at the deteriorating situation in Syria.” Yes, and what would that do? Nothing. Except for the continuation of the siege of Hama. And the siege has continued through the day and night. But, after all, the president of Syria has murdered only about 200 denizens of that accursed city. His father murdered tens of thousands. Is this not progress? And anyway, the dead are all Sunnis.
Can you believe it? In the Los Angeles Times of July 21, Paul Richter reported that the Obama administration actually “softened its criticism of Syria” and “stopped short of calling on President Bashar Assad to resign and has toned down its rhetoric.” This is an ethical and political transgression of the worst order, short of murdering the Syrians ourselves. Maybe the president thinks he can still get Bibi Netanyahu to cede the Golan Heights to the dictatorship—and maybe that would stop the insurrection. Inshallah!
The Syrian tyranny is the most brutal, the most coherent, the most transparent in the entire Arab world. In comparison to the state personified by Assad, Mubarak’s Egypt and Ali Abdullah Saleh’s Yemen and the mad Muammar Qaddafi’s Libya are milder. Alas, almost nobody noticed Obama’s sick courting of the oppressor.
But at least one Arab commentator, Khalaf Al Harbi, writing in the Saudi government daily Okaz, did. Titled “Obama—Get Out” (and put on the web by the Middle East Media Research Institute on July 29) it reads:
All last month, I kept my eyes out for Mr. Obama, who appeared so often at the outset of the ‘Arab Spring’ and suddenly disappeared, leaving the tyrants’ armored vehicles to wreak havoc in the land. I sought ‘Abu Hussein’ [i.e. Obama] everywhere [and] wondered where he was hiding—this man whose [face] did not leave the TV screen throughout the Egyptian revolution, and who had asked [Egyptian president Hosni] Mubarak to step down, appearing every five minutes to say to his erstwhile ally: ‘Get out today, not tomorrow!’
Obama got lost in the old neighborhoods of Damascus. He ‘dissolved like a lump of salt,’ as our brothers in Egypt say. [He did so] even though, [in contrast to] the U.S.’s [close] ties with Hosni Mubarak’s regime, U.S. relations with the Syrian regime [are weak], and even though the number of victims in the protests of the Egyptian revolution [was far smaller] than the number of victims in the protests now sweeping Syria’s cities.
In Egypt, ‘mother America’ pressured Hosni Mubarak to step down immediately, while in Syria, ‘mother America’ has pressured the opposition to engage in dialogue with the regime.
How is one to interpret this? Who supports whom, and who is against whom? What is Obama thinking? And why did ‘mother America’ become so hard of hearing the minute the cries broke out in Der’a, Hama, Homs, and Aleppo?
Obama is not the only one who uses a double standard [vis-à-vis the revolutions in Egypt and in Syria]. The Arabs as a whole are toeing his line. The press, the intellectuals, and the revolutionary parties all tried to coordinate [their positions] with the cries of the revolution of Egypt’s youth, raising Cain throughout the world when [Libyan ruler Mu’ammar] Al-Qadhafi began to oppress his people, and demanding that the president of Yemen step down when the revolution broke out there. [But] less than an hour after the bloody events began in Syria, they all fell silent, as if a raven were sitting on their heads and pecked at the bodies of the innocent.
When [Hezbollah leader] Hassan Nasrallah praised the revolution of Egypt’s youth and then became an enemy of the youth in Syria, by asking them to adhere to their regime—it was not difficult to understand [his motives], nor was [it difficult to understand Iranian Supreme Leader Ali] Khamenei’s stance. But the position of the U.S., which is not very different from that of Iran in both cases—the Egyptian and the Syrian—is difficult to understand. Where is Obama hiding?
We do not want him to say a thing. This time, we want to say to him: Obama—get out!
And one thing more. I was dismayed by the editorial in the last print edition of TNR. Demanding a harsher rhetorical policy towards Damascus, the editors forfeit the whole struggle in the next-to-last paragraph: “Our options in Syria are limited, of course.” (The “of course” was what really got me.) “Unlike in Libya, a military intervention is not possible; and the Syrian opposition, despite its bravery, may not yet be cohesive enough to be recognized as the country’s legitimate government.” This actually has it ass-backwards. The fact is that, as recent news has amply shown, the Libyan opposition is not as unified as some had imagined. And the regime, according to its heir-apparent Seif al-Islam Qaddafi (Dr. Qaddafi, thanks to the London School of Economics) may be negotiating with its oldest enemies, Muslim jihadists, who are alienated from the most liberal of the opposition. Maybe this is a fantasy. Maybe not.
Perhaps, in shame and in desperation, Obama will hitch up with his old friend Erdogan and undertake jointly to bring Assad down. There could be far worse results than that. But the president does not even have the courage to contemplate this step. It might work, after all.
Martin Peretz is editor-in-chief emeritus of The New Republic.
49 comments
Maybe The New Republic's editors should get out ahead in the presidential endorsement game and announce their support for Candidate Unspecified, not Barrack Obama, in the Democratic primary.
- AaronW
August 5, 2011 at 12:26am
Joe-mentum!!!
- bunthorne
August 5, 2011 at 12:39am
If only the Democratic Party thought like Martin Peretz, like the Democratic Party did back in the Fifties, this country, and the world would be so much better off. Instead, the criminal mismanagement of the Vietnam War by LBJ, McNamara and General Westmoreland let to a takeover of the Democratic Party by neo-Stalinists with a hip exterior. Since then it has gotten worse and worse. Today's "liberalism" is at war with the Anglo-American liberal heritage. Israel, a beacon of tolerance, decency, and enlightenment is declared to be morally inferior to slimy Islamic dictatorships that brutalize their own people. As for the Palestinian Arabs, may I remind you that they supported Hitler in WWII, the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and that they cheered the attack on 9-11? May I remind you that to this day they declare Adolf Hitler to be among their heroes? Not all peoples, not all causes, are morally equal. Israel, which is about teaching kids to win Nobel Prizes, is superior in every way to "Palestine", which is about teaching kids to commit murder/suicide. Today's left-liberalism is a moral sewer - anti-American, anti-Semitic, anti-civilization. God bless Marty Peretz for having the courage and the decency to bear witness to this tragic fact.
- bulbman1066
August 5, 2011 at 1:31am
Michael Young from the Lebanese Daily Star seems to agree with Peretz's pessimism: "Morally, Obama’s behavior in the Middle East is objectionable; diplomatically, the president has been without inspiration, a leader who has prompted few genuinely profitable foreign policy openings. His three major speeches on the region – those in Ankara and Cairo, and his more recent effort at the State Department, in which he vowed that the United States would “promote reform across the region, and … support transitions to democracy” – have become embarrassing reminders of how little the president has achieved. Even Obama’s urge to engage in a dialogue with the Muslim world was vacant, the whim of a college professor, a meaningless exercise in self-flagellation – for who but the U.S. alone, the president plainly implied, was responsible for the misunderstanding with the Muslim world?" Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Opinion/Columnist/2011/Aug-04/Give-Obama-an-F-in-the-Middle-East.ashx#ixzz1U9DGjbWU (The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)
- noga1
August 5, 2011 at 6:07am
Barack Husein Obama celebrates his 50th birthday. He went to Chicago for celebrations. He is the president of the USA. He enjoys making speeches, articulate and says always the same we are the united states of America. I heard the same speech at the nomination of John Kerry. The speech has never changed. He is a leader uncomfortable of leading. He has done the most in expelling illegal immigrants. He has done the most in using drones to kill Islamic jihadists. Pakistan Afghanistan Iraq Lybia. Oddly he is friends with Assad the syrian dictator. How many will be killed by Assad before Barack Husein Obama reacts and starts using drones against the criminal Syrian army? Why Quadaffi the Lybia dictator is treated differently from Assad the Syria dictator? Why Barack Hussein Obama turned his back to Mubarak the Egyptian dictator that had been a true friend of the USA for thirty years? There are so many questions. BHO weak response to Iran and their dictators the mullahs and shorty Ahmadenijad whose big mouth reaches all the way to his feet. Barack Husein Obama has done nothing to create jobs, nothing to improve health care costs. He just caries the ball. Maybe that is quite an achievement. What is the people thinking? Well BHO is a decent man, personally he is ok. There is no outrage in the country with high unemployment. Because USA is too big too rich. We have a president that carries the ball, we have a congress that carries the ball, we have a federal reserve that carries the ball. We do not have imaginative revolutionary leaders. We love non shakable leadership. We just want leaders to carry the ball. Even those without jobs are very quiet and silent. There is an atmosphere of silence. And of course the media are narcissistic and overpaid. The typical brainless fat cats. the rule of the rules the fashion of America is to be cool. Enjoy the sports beisball, football, basketball, and minors like golf tennis. Is the American way, be cool, quiet, proper. Do not think do not argue do not rock the boat. Barack Hussein Obama carries the ball. Certainly 2012 looks the same. And the tea party? TheFabulous Blacks, Irish, Jews. All humans all together. That Irish and Jews have blended into America because they are white? That is not so. The matter is more complicated than that. Very sadly has to do with having a strong family nucleus. Just like the cells in our bodies. The family has to consist of father and mother staying together, raise their children and have a strong attachment to each other. Where Black families have the strong nucleus they succeed always. Condoleeza Rice is an example of strong family nucleus, and success, I am happy to say. Single mothers and single grandmothers are too common in the Black communities. Many succeed many fail. The male parent of the Black family is not there. This is the main reason that Black families have not kept up with the Irish or the Jews. And have lost ground to Hispanics, Orientals, Moslems and new minorities that are successful in achieving the American dream. I came to this country in 1962. Blacks were out of the American dream, it disturbed me greatly. Nearly 50 years later with great sorrow in my heart, Blacks are still out from the American dream. It is the responsibility of all of us to find ways to encourage formation of the family nucleus within Blacks in America. y shut themselves on the foot, big disappointment, they will be out in 2012. To tell you the truth is nice to be cool. Martin Peretz that is the way it is and goes. As long as we have a strong Israel that is the only thing worth fighting for.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 5, 2011 at 7:15am
Barack Husein Obama celebrates his 50th birthday. He went to Chicago for celebrations. He is the president of the USA. He enjoys making speeches, articulate and says always the same we are the united states of America. I heard the same speech at the nomination of John Kerry. The speech has never changed. He is a leader uncomfortable of leading. He has done the most in expelling illegal immigrants. He has done the most in using drones to kill Islamic jihadists. Pakistan Afghanistan Iraq Lybia. Oddly he is friends with Assad the syrian dictator. How many will be killed by Assad before Barack Husein Obama reacts and starts using drones against the criminal Syrian army? Why Quadaffi ithe Lybia dictator is treated differently from Assad the Syria dictator? Why Barack Hussein Obama turned his back to Mubarak the Egyptian dictator that had been a true friend of the USA for thirty years? There are so many questions. BHO weak response to Iran and their dictators the mullahs and shorty Ahmadenijad whose big mouth reaches all the way to his feet. Barack Husein Obama has done nothing to creUiate jobs, nothing to improve health care costs. He just caries the ball. Maybe that is quite an achievement. What is the people thinking? Well BHO is a decent man, personally he is ok. There is no outrage in the country Barack Husein Obama celebrates his 50th birthday. He went to Chicago for celebrations. He is the president of the USA. He enjoys making speeches, articulate and says always the same we are the united states of America. I heard the same speech at the nomination of John Kerry. The speech has never changed. He is a leader uncomfortable of leading. He has done the most in expelling illegal immigrants. He has done the most in using drones to kill Islamic jihadists. Pakistan Afghanistan Iraq Lybia. Oddly he is friends with Assad the syrian dictator. How many will be killed by Assad before Barack Husein Obama reacts and starts using drones against the criminal Syrian army? Why Quadaffi the Lybia dictator is treated differently from Assad the Syria dictator? Why Barack Hussein Obama turned his back to Mubarak the Egyptian dictator that had been a true friend of the USA for thirty years? There are so many questions. BHO weak response to Iran and their dictators the mullahs and shorty Ahmadenijad whose big mouth reaches all the way to his feet. Barack Husein Obama has done nothing to create jobs, nothing to improve health care costs. He just caries the ball. Maybe that is quite an achievement. What is the people thinking? Well BHO is a decent man, personally he is ok. There is no outrage in the country with high unemployment. Because USA is too big too rich. We have a president that carries the ball, we have a congress that carries the ball, we have a federal reserve that carries the ball. We do not have imaginative revolutionary leaders. We love non shakable leadership. We just want leaders to carry the ball. Even those without jobs are very quiet and silent. There is an atmosphere of silence. And of course the media are narcissistic and overpaid. The typical brainless fat cats. the rule of the rules the fashion of America is to be cool. Enjoy the sports beisball, football, basketball, and minors like golf tennis. Is the American way, be cool, quiet, proper. Do not think do not argue do not rock the boat. Barack Hussein Obama carries the ball. The tea part shut themselves on the foot, big disappointment, they will be out in 2012. To tell you the truth is nice to be cool. Martin Peretz that is the way it is and goes. As long as we have a strong Israel that is the only thing worth fighting for.with high unemployment. Because USA is too big too rich. We have a president that carries the ball, we have a congress that carries the ball, we have a federal reserve that carries the ball. We do not have imaginative revolutionary leaders. We love non shakable leadership. We just want leaders to carry the ball. Even those without jobs are very quiet and silent. There is an atmosphere of silence. And of course the media are narcissistic and overpaid. The typical brainless fat cats. the rule of the rules the fashion of America is to be cool. Enjoy the sports beisball, football, basketball, and minors like golf tennis. Is the American way, be cool, quiet, proper. Do not think do not argue do not rock the boat. Barack Hussein Obama carries the ball. Certainly 2012 looks the same. And the tea party? TheFabulous Blacks, Irish, Jews. All humans all together. That Irish and Jews have blended into America because they are white? That is not so. The matter is more complicated than that. Very sadly has to do with having a strong family nucleus. Just like the cells in our bodies. The family has to consist of father and mother staying together, raise their children and have a strong attachment to each other. Where Black families have the strong nucleus they succeed always. Condoleeza Rice is an example of strong family nucleus, and success, I am happy to say. Single mothers and single grandmothers are too common in the Black communities. Many succeed many fail. The male parent of the Black family is not there. This is the main reason that Black families have not kept up with the Irish or the Jews. And have lost ground to Hispanics, Orientals, Moslems and new minorities that are successful in achieving the American dream. I came to this country in 1962. Blacks were out of the American dream, it disturbed me greatly. Nearly 50 years later with great sorrow in my heart, Blacks are still out from the American dream. It is the responsibility of all of us to find ways to encourage formation of the family nucleus within Blacks in America. y shut themselves on the foot, big disappointment, they will be out in 2012. To tell you the truth is nice to be cool. Martin Peretz that is the way it is and goes. As long as we have a strong Israel that is the only thing worth fighting for.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 5, 2011 at 7:28am
The more Marty talks, the further from reality he recedes. History has passed you by, Marty. Get used to it.
- AlanVann
August 5, 2011 at 8:17am
Marty and his diminishing amen chorus define sound and moral foreign policy one way: Bombing Muslims and acceding to whatever the Israeli government might wish to do. There really is nothing more to it. Their philosophy is summed up neatly by this JAIMECHUCH creature: >>> As long as we have a strong Israel that is the only thing worth fighting for.<<< Quite. My Lord, what a tedious and tiresome crowd they are. It's not just that they are wrong and ignorant, but they're also very, very boring.
- DC Spence
August 5, 2011 at 8:57am
Peretz fails to notice three dots: 1) Turkey continues to play the EU application game, and the EU made civilian control over the military a condition, which Erdogan has played to his favor. 2) Turkey may be majority Sunni, but only because of the Kurds. The other indigenous Anatolians are the Alevi, who are recognized as Shi'a by Iran's Shi'a authorities, but Alevis are the most ardent of Kemalists because they are not Sunni and want to teach their own religion in schools, and 3) Erdogan's embrace of Syria and Iran had as much to do with keeping Kurds divided and repressed as the official 'no problems with border neighbors' foreign policy. Surprising Peretz fails to note the Kurdish issue, which will also haunt Obama's foreign policy legacy because the USA has actually been siding with Turkey and Iran on their military violations of Iraqi Kurdistan's sovereignty. "The Kurdish connection" "...Rather than securing Mideastern hegemony, Turkey itself may fall apart. This is the case after the Kurdish leadership in the country declared on July 15 the establishment of a democratic Kurdish autonomy in southeastern Turkey, with its capital in Diyarbakir. This declaration stunned the Turkish leadership. ... And in Syria, that very same day, we saw another important development. For the first time, a Kurdish liaison committee was established that brings together all the new Kurdish parties in Syria on the basis of the “Kurdish people’s unity.” They demand Kurdish autonomy in the wake of the Assad regime or at least a federation within Syria. The Syrian Kurds enjoy a particularly sympathetic home front in the Kurdish autonomy in Iraq. Slowly, the pieces of the Turkish puzzle in Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran are connecting into a giant state that will be home to 18 million people. ..." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4104184,00.html No one really knows how to stop Assad's war on his own people. I actually hope Turkey unilaterally invades, and gets bogged down in nation building while Hezbollah's Lebanon starts a war with Israel over oil and gas. On a personal note, I think dragging Mubarak into a cage on a hospital gurney for his "trial" is barbaric. As for Darfur? Well, it would be expecting too much for Obama to be the American President who calls on the African Union to change their charter and drop the requirement to maintain colonial borders. Or even officially support independent statehood for Somaliland. Wrong moment in history for the first postmodern transnational embarrassed-to-be-the-American President.
- K2K
August 5, 2011 at 9:00am
Yes, by all means let's consider invading Syria, Marty. Because we have nothing else going on right now. Jackass.
- Tristan
August 5, 2011 at 9:53am
DC Spence “Marty and his diminishing amen chorus define sound and moral foreign policy one way: Bombing Muslims and acceding to whatever the Israeli government might wish to do. There really is nothing more to it.” The more DC Spence reads the less he understands what he read. There really is nothing more to his outbursts.
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 10:09am
DC Spence “Marty and his diminishing amen chorus define sound and moral foreign policy one way: Bombing Muslims and acceding to whatever the Israeli government might wish to do. There really is nothing more to it.” The more DC Spence reads the less he understands what he read. There really is nothing more to his outbursts, unless of course it's his instinctive knee jerk anti-Israel reactions.
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 10:11am
Obama is also vulnerable to criticism for his domestic economic policies. For example, he hasn't even sent a jobs bill to Congress. At bottom his problems domestically and in foreign policy can be traced to the same weakness: Obama's need to look for compromises from peoples and groups who are incapable of compromise.
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 10:52am
"The press, the intellectuals, and the revolutionary parties... less than an hour after the bloody events began in Syria, they all fell silent, as if a raven were sitting on their heads and pecked at the bodies of the innocent." Of course they did. Assad's Syria is the "beating heart of Arab nationalism." As such he is "progressive" by their standards and is to be supported, or at least understood and explained.
- JerryL
August 5, 2011 at 10:59am
"Yes, by all means let's consider invading Syria, Marty." I'm sorry. I couldn't find in the article where Marty recommends invading Syria. Is it possible that for Tristan the one and only possible alternative to Obama's current timidity vis a vis Assad's massacres is an invasion by the US?
- noga1
August 5, 2011 at 11:45am
@Noga: "And one thing more. I was dismayed by the editorial in the last print edition of TNR. Demanding a harsher rhetorical policy towards Damascus, the editors forfeit the whole struggle in the next-to-last paragraph: “Our options in Syria are limited, of course.” (The “of course” was what really got me.) “Unlike in Libya, a military intervention is not possible; and the Syrian opposition, despite its bravery, may not yet be cohesive enough to be recognized as the country’s legitimate government.” This actually has it ass-backwards...." Although Marty goes on to complete the next two paragraphs with the usual hysterical rambling, I think it's clear from just about every statement he's made in the past, and this one, that he's clearly setting the table for simply declaring U.S. casus belli and suggesting we have at it. If you can provide another explanation for the description of a previous TNR article (claiming that military intervention in Syria is impossible and the Syrian opposition is incohesive) as, in Marty's words, "Ass backwards", I'm all ears. And for the record, though I may have spent my particular time serving with boots on the ground, I consider any military option... combat air patrol, predator drone strikes included in the rubric of "invasion". As should we all.
- Tristan
August 5, 2011 at 12:17pm
To respond in another way, on the contrary, I do think Obama should certainly do more... more sanctions, an economic embargo, SOMETHING. Better minds than mine have weighed in here, today and in the past. What I do NOT think we should do is launch any military action, any more than I thought we should have acted militarily in Libya.
- Tristan
August 5, 2011 at 12:20pm
Peretz is frighteningly disturbed. The image he projects for TNR echoes the kind of hysteria one would expect from the far right-wing of the Republican Party; maybe worse. I'm not sure I can continue to support this kind of angry "analysis" with my subscription. It's troubling.
- barijoe
August 5, 2011 at 1:13pm
Didn't I just read this same article/blog/whatever about 100 times in the last two weeks or so? Isn't it fun to rave on week after week without ever a constructive suggestion and without anyone to tell you that enough is enough?
- mlottman
August 5, 2011 at 1:24pm
Among the president’s enthusiastic 2008 followers there appears to be no recognition that he has failed at every foreign venture he has attempted. I stopped reading after this. For starters the Obama administration handled the Honduran situation perfectly, with the end result Democratic and open elections were held and a civil war averted. Shame on Marty for not realizing Latin America even exists. As to Libya, I just finished reading how American flags, culture, etc. are all the rage in liberated Libya. The war is slower going than many of us wish but it is making progress with ZERO Nato casualties. As to how Libya and Syria are different, the Syrian opposition did not acquire a significant area of the country as a stronghold with which they could be armed, therefore it is basically impossible of us to do what we did in Libya. I have very few objections to the Obama FP outside of Israel, but my objection is very different to most other posters here. I want America to basically walk away from the whole Palestinian Israel eternal disaster and let those to actors sort it out for themselves.
- blackton
August 5, 2011 at 1:24pm
actually, I just now jumped to the end to see the summation: This actually has it ass-backwards. The fact is that, as recent news has amply shown, the Libyan opposition is not as unified as some had imagined. And the regime, according to its heir-apparent Seif al-Islam Qaddafi (Dr. Qaddafi, thanks to the London School of Economics) may be negotiating with its oldest enemies, Muslim jihadists Oh my God, talk about clueless. Marty believes Seif. There was some evidence the Younes, the chief of the rebel army, was double dealing. I don't condone his murder but if he was then for their own survival extreme measures had to be taken. There is also something of a 5th column within rebel held areas, but the same is said for the Gadhafi regime with whole sections of Tripoli off limits to Gadhafi forces. Marty is shocked, shocked I tell you that this civil war is not perfectly clean. Then there is this: Perhaps, in shame and in desperation, Obama will hitch up with his old friend Erdogan and undertake jointly to bring Assad down. And Marty has flipped his wig. Israel can easily take out Assad, let Marty call his buddy Bibi and they can both invade Syria. I mean good lord, how about we win at least one war before we go off and invade another country, mmkk Marty? I feel great sympathy for the Syrian opposition, I really do but there are limits to what we can do. We are now cutting childrens nutritional programs in the name of austerity and Marty wants to be a hero....oh wait, not exactly him but young American soldiers....tell you what Marty, grab a gun and join the Syrian opposition yourself.
- blackton
August 5, 2011 at 1:33pm
Well done, Blackton
- Tristan
August 5, 2011 at 1:38pm
Most of Mr. Peretz' article was about Turkey which isn't only becoming more Islamic by the day, it is also falling apart: http://www.kurdishglobe.net/display-article.html?id=E4931B4D937BF70725DB1AD5FFC39DE9 http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4104184,00.html It's also doubtful that the Syrian government will survive as a unified country. In other words, while there dangers there are also opportunities in the chaotic Middle East.
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 1:43pm
In other words, while there are dangers, there are also opportunities in the chaotic Middle East.
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 1:49pm
One opportunity, which I would have liked to see, is the emergence of a Kurdish state based on parts of territories taken from Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Wouldn't that be a game changer? Just imagine the possibilities! I agree btw that there doesn't appear to be a way for US forces to invade Syria. But what Obama could do is lean heavily on the Arab League to force it to deal seriously with the issue of the massacres. Has anybody heard anything from the A"L, btw? Of course this won't happen. Obama seems emotionally INCAPABLE to put pressure on any Muslim/Arab country. This particular capability is only exercised when it comes to Israel. And, blackton, as long as Obama is the president, I agree with you that staying away from the I/P conflict is his best FP option. He made a bad situation much worse, as far as the peace process is concerned. He really doesn't have a clue. I believe that totally.
- noga1
August 5, 2011 at 2:59pm
"Obama seems emotionally INCAPABLE to put pressure on any Muslim/Arab country. This particular capability is only exercised when it comes to Israel." Obama is incapable of putting pressure on anyone.
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 4:39pm
“Nonetheless, the separation of church and state was the defining characteristic of the new Turkey that came into being nearly a century ago. It is true that there was an exchange of populations between the new Turkey and the new Greece, between Muslims and Orthodox Christians . . .. (Many such population movements were engineered in the years after World War II, from Eastern Europe to Germany, back and forth between India and Pakistan, from Formosa, Korea, and Manchuria to Japan, much of it entailing great suffering but very little of the historical mortgage brandished against Israel by Arab propaganda.)” While separation of church and state was a defining characteristic of the new Turkey, it was not a defining characteristic of the population exchange. The population exchange was based entirely on religious (as opposed to ethnic or linguistic) identity. About half a million Muslim inhabitants of Greece were expelled to Turkey, and one and one-half million Christian Orthodox inhabitants of Turkey were expelled to Greece. But the population exchange was considered a good solution to the problem of minority populations. The scheme was devised by Fridtjof Nansen (of Artic exploration fame) after the Greco-Turkish War (1919-22). Nanasen had become the League of Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in 1921. In 1922, he was awarded a Nobel Prize for Peace, the citation for which refers to "his work for the repatriation of the prisoners of war, his work for the Russian refugees, his work to bring succour to the millions of Russians afflicted by famine, and finally his present work for the refugees in Asia Minor and Thrace".
- JPKatz
August 5, 2011 at 4:57pm
"Nanasen had become the League of Nations High Commissioner for Refugees in 1921. In 1922, he was awarded a Nobel Prize for Peace, the citation for which refers to "his work for the repatriation of the prisoners of war, his work for the Russian refugees, his work to bring succour to the millions of Russians afflicted by famine, and finally his present work for the refugees in Asia Minor and Thrace"." Tells you much about the hypocrisy in the "international community."
- arnon
August 5, 2011 at 5:53pm
http://www.massviolence.org/The-expulsion-of-non-Turkish-ethnic-and-religious-groups "...This was also why, during their occupation of Syria, the French authorities were not opposed to the streams of refugees coming from neighboring Turkey or Iraq. These were Assyrians/Syriacs, Chaldeans, Armenians or Kurds who, for various reasons, had left their homes and had found refuge in Syria. The French authorities themselves generally organized the settlement of the refugees. One of the most important of these plans was carried out in Upper Jazira in northeastern Syria. There, thanks to French efforts, new towns and villages were built with the intention of housing the refugees considered to be “friendly”. This meant that the non-Turkish minorities that were under Turkish pressure knew that, no matter how painful and undesirable it was to leave their ancestral homes, shops, fields and property, they could find refuge and rebuild their lives in relative safety on the other side of the border, in Syria. ..." and painful it was, the cleansing of Greek, and Syriac, and surviving Armenian Christians from the new Turkey of 1922. Erdogan does not seem to realize that no one likes the Turks, because of the history of conquest in the development of the land-expanding Ottoman Empire, and the need to prop up the Ottoman decline in the 19th century "The Eastern Question". I wonder if Greece is still building their wall along the Turkish border. Anyway, Peretz seems to be suffering from unrealized hope and expectations from candidate Obama. Ironically, only Turkey can do anything about Syria. The rest of the world might as well just keep condemning the tank and sniper assaults, and wait for the coming famine to do in Assad. Syria is in worse economic shape than Egypt, and has had a long drought.
- K2K
August 5, 2011 at 6:56pm
I think that Mr. Peretz submits what is essentially the same article to tnr every few weeks or so to validate that he can get published somewhere and that he has a few stalwart fans, contrary to the rest of the world, who still believe that what he has to say is relevant and important. A sad and pathetic ending to what has essentially been an interesting life and career. Please retire.
- MrCookie1
August 5, 2011 at 9:37pm
Almost no one in America cares about foreign affairs, especially not for Barack Obama’s foreign affairs. For he has made of almost his entire conduct of peace and war an amateurish mess, crude, provincial, impetuous, peaceably high-minded but stupid—and full of peril to the world, to its democracies, to the United States itself. ==================== Mr. Peretz's essay opens with a reasonably accurate if exaggerated remark, that "almost no one in America cares about foreign affairs." Fair enough, some Americans do but for most what goes on overseas in say, Turkey, Bolivia, Libya, Sweden, doesn't interest them much. If Mr. Peretz had stopped right there, he would have been way ahead of the game. Or, he could have ruminated on why most Americans don't have a much interest in foreign affairs. That might have been helpful. Instead, Mr. Peretz veers off into contradictory nonsense, that most Americans do care, because they are paying a lot of attention -- never mind that he just told us they weren't -- to the president's conduct of foreign affairs and they don't like it. From there it's a downhill slide into a fatuous polemic against the president's "conduct of peace" -- conduct of peace, how precisely does one conduct peace? -- and his conduct of war. One does conduct the latter, but I dunno, he seems to be doing about the best one can do with two inherited wars. But I gather what Mr. Peretz is hinting at is that we should be conducting more wars. Two ain't enough. From there Mr. Peretz falls completely off his bar stool, muttering "mess," "crude," "impetuous," "stupid" something or other, and as he hits the floor and drifts off he mumbles something about the world being at peril and he can't find his car keys. Dan
- dbuck1
August 5, 2011 at 10:23pm
I don't bother to read Peretz at all anymore. Not even the first sentence, and I didn't this time. The man descended into complete incoherence some time ago. But reading the comments without having read the article is really a lot of fun. I highly recommend it.
- roidubouloi
August 5, 2011 at 10:47pm
yeah, waking up to an S&P downgrade really works up an appetite for more wtf???? If Peretz were not so fixated on the musselmans, he might have noticed that Obama's State Dinner for Angela Merkel was very well done. Considering Merkel's former disdain for Obama (in 2008-09 the only person in DC she trusted was Chuck Hagel and he was not on the guest list in 2011), and the crucial need to bolster US-Germany relations in the global financial arena, I give him high marks on that even though the guest list made it obvious that the Merkel State Dinner was a thinly veiled DNC fundraiser, and an omen of failing GOP relations. As to Syria? Assad's deadly tank games might just eventually trigger some hardship for Hezbollah, and maybe even help strengthen Iraq's fragile "democracy". Let it play out as long as the Syrians are willing to stand up, outside. The R2P doctrine will also suffer, as the world realizes that humanitarian intervention with smart bombs is a Wilsonian dream.
- K2K
August 6, 2011 at 8:51am
how very odd that this Peretz post is linked at RealClearWorld today. Must be short of thought-provoking posts elsewhere, or, as roid notes, maybe the comment thread got the RCW vote :)
- K2K
August 6, 2011 at 8:59am
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=232539 Caroline Glick wrote this after Peretz wrote his version, except Glick includes Israel and Egypt, and has punchier alliteration: "...Obama has not adopted a similarly clear, consistent policy towards any other nation in the region. In Egypt, Syria, Iran, Turkey, Libya and beyond, Obama has opted for attitude over policy. He has postured, preened, protested and pronounced on all the issues of the day. ... Recognizing that Obama refuses to adopt or implement any policies on his own, Congress has tried to fill the gap. The House Foreign Affairs Committee recently passed a budget that would make US aid to Egypt, Lebanon, Yemen and the PA contingent on certification that no terrorist or extremist organization holds governmental power in these areas. Clinton issued a rapid rebuke of the House’s budget and insisted it was unacceptable. And this makes sense. Making US assistance to foreign countries contingent on assurances that the money won’t fund US enemies would be a policy. And Obama doesn’t make policy – except when it comes attacking to Israel. ..." yes, I know. Everyone is tuning out while they wonder whether this is the time to sell that last bit of gold jewelry...I came online to check the rain forecast, wandered into Rick Perry reading from the Old Testament, and thought maybe a dose of Glick would be a good incentive to shut down.
- K2K
August 6, 2011 at 7:46pm
Well Barack Hussein Obama's ally Hafess Assad just released pictures of Syrias Hama city complete destruction. The vermin that keeps attacking me demonstrates he is the ostrich buried head in the sand. What is the reaction of this camel's ass. It is too much to ask from a brainless mosquito. And it has the chutzpah to blog comments. He knows nothing, he sees nothing but he has a tongue that allows to say nothing. By the way Barack Hussein Obama and the other shlemiels fro Europe continue bombing Lybia. The old cliche of the three stooges slap the third uninvolved fat guy. Even if it hurts you vermin, a strong and stronger Israel is a safe Israel. My dear vermin you are as insignificant as you can be, you know it, and everybody knows. I am paying you some attention because I feel sorry about you. Israel has to be strong to continue it's own defense. You can not count on the Barack Hussein Obama's of this world and their admirer ostriches.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 7, 2011 at 2:31pm
I noticed that you are dc spence. I feel sorry for you. A strong Israel is a safe Israel. Do you want it repeated slowly a s t r o n g I s r a e l i s a s a f e I s r a e l. If you need additional remedial brain help try to get your head out of the sand.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 7, 2011 at 2:40pm
"Barack Hussein Obama's ally Hafess Assad " Really? Obama is good friends with Hafez el Assad, who has been dead these 11 years? I myself have been pretty upset by Obama's apparent bonhommie towards Hugo Chavez and his reverential bow to the Saudi but your characterization of his relationship with BASHAR Assad is pretty ridiculous. The worse that you can say is that he has been trying to woo the Syrian away from Iran's embrace by giving him too much consequence (sending back the ambassador, being very cautious in his condemnations etc) while pinching his own nose tightly to avoid the noxious fumes. I am no fan of Obama but this type of demonization is not criticism.
- noga1
August 7, 2011 at 10:02pm
Don't blame me! I did not vote for Obama in 2008 and certainly I will not vote for Obama in 2012. I never will vote for an anti- Semite or his supporters. I am non-longer a Democrat, an independent who will vote for anyone chosen to run against anti- Semite Obama. Everybody knew Obama is an anti- Semite. 20 years with his spiritual mentor Wright, a known anti- Semite. Then an organiser for another major anti- Semite Farrakhan's million men march. Everybody saw the result. Farrakahan ranting against Jews and against Israel while multitudes cheered. The destruction in the Middle east with the advent of this Obama that can be charitably called The apprentice sorcerer who loves Islam of his youth in Indonesia. Darfur continues hemorrhaging and all Obama can scheme is squeeze Israel into a defenseless Jewish state for the hordes to tear it apart limb for limb. Meanwhile US Jews will vote for Obama just like they voted for Roosevelt who refused an escape from the European inferno to my family. They know Obama's hatred of Israel. It hard to miss yet they will vote for him again. I think I am going to get sick.
- Poupic
August 8, 2011 at 2:02am
Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of a "new" Peretz article on tnr is not the article per se but the comments. Some of these comments outrank even the best of the Spine for downright looniness. I used to think that Spine regs were something but there are some new posters who make those cranky posters - no names please - look like paragons of sanity and reason
- MrCookie1
August 8, 2011 at 8:56am
MrCookie1, pot meet kettle.
- noga1
August 8, 2011 at 11:45am
Barack Hussein Obama is a friend of Bashar al-Assad the dictator of Syria. Some comments want accuracy. When they attack Israel they do not care if their information is accurate or not. Anyhow. The Arabs are withdrawing their ambassadors from Syria and condemning Bashar that is going blind with power killing in an open range his peaceful demonstrators. Where is Barack Hussein Obama? Where is Hillary Clinton? Where is Jimmy Carter? Where is Zbigney Breshinski? These bunch of Syrian pals are as silent as I heard nothing I said nothing don't bother me. We are busy. They have no shame. Where is Charlie Rose, where is Thomas Friedman, where is Roger Cohen the half witted self hatred Jew? Where are all these ludicrous examples of human manure? As Barack Hussein Obama says "we all are the united states of America" And to add insult to injury The UN secretary just issued a statement please Bashar al-Assad don't be cruel to your Syrian citizens. The mockery of mockeries. In the meantime Bashar al-Assad and Barack Hussein Obama are holding hands singing let us join our playmates Ahmadenijad and the Hamas and Hizbullah terrorists. Humoresque Shame Murderers not even the fascists communists castroists were so reckless and stupid. Do I need to say more? Where is the vermin dc spence?
- JAIMECHUCH
August 8, 2011 at 12:22pm
The only answer is a massive attack with drones against the rabid Syrian army. It is long overdue. This will demonstrate that Barack Hussein Obama and the Europeans are on the side of freedom on the side of justice. Are we going to protect the people? Ha ha ha. This will be the most shameful chapter in "we all are the united states of America" Drone Lybia, drone Pakistan, drone Afghanistan drone Iraq. The ineptitude of schlemiels has taken over, oh boy. More than ever Israel has to be powerful to defend from these enormous small brainless insects. Even the anti-Israel gangs are mute. Even the freaky leftists from Norway are mute. Wait and see when Oslo Norway gives the next Nobel peace prize to Bashar al-Assad for a job well done. They gave it to Barack Hussein Obama, they gave it to Arafat, they gave to bigot Jimmy Carter. Poor Nobel he is turning over and over his grave, well the money came from his discoveries of dynamite. What do you expect? Another day another "we all are the united states of America". And Barack Hussein Obama wants to be re-elected in 2012. Ha ha ha ha ha .......
- JAIMECHUCH
August 8, 2011 at 12:43pm
"The only answer is a massive attack with drones against the rabid Syrian army. It is long overdue." And then what? It has not been working all that well in Libya, has it? I say, let Turkey massively attack the Syrian army. Let Muslims or better still, Arabs, deal with this problem. It's their brethren. It's their religion over which these atrocities are now perpetrated. Let them take responsibility for their co-religionists' distress. There must be something that the Arab League can actually do, besides sitting in armchairs around a table and whining about America and Zionism.
- noga1
August 8, 2011 at 1:12pm
Oh look, someone had the same idea! http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/2011/08/arab-league-bets-on-dialogue-to-end.html
- noga1
August 8, 2011 at 1:16pm
In the 1980's Hafess al-Assad destroyed the city of Hama killing thousands upon thousands of innocents civilians, Nobody said nothing. This pernicious dictator died peacefully. His son Bashar al-Assad is doing the same killings and nobody is outraged and stopping this evil of evils. Well the banality of evil. We should take our drones and attack the Syrian army with all the power they deserve. it should not happen again. Is anybody outraged at what is going on?. Have we been narcotized? The media is reporting like normal and usual. Is nobodies business. The peak of sanguine empathy-lack psychiatric syndrome.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 8, 2011 at 1:16pm
There is more. In the 1980's the Syrian dictator Haffes al-Assad destroyed the city of Hama killing thousands upon thousands of unarmed civilian. He was never even condemned by the internationals. In the 1990's Haffes al-Assad was courted by William Jefferson Clinton using his secretary of state Madeleine Albright. Madama Albright was treated with contempr by Haffes al-Assad. Going forward Syria under the son Bassar al-Assad has controlled Lebanon, and is an Iranian currier provider of large amounts of arms to Hisbullah and to Hamas in Gaza. For some reason the Obama administration treats Syria with kid gloves. I have said that Barack Hussein Obama is a pal of Bassar al-Assad, and indeed he is. When Pelosi was speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi had a grand visit to Bassar al-Assad. Why is this viral dictator treated friendly by the USA? Why Barack Hussein Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton treat this dictator as a pal? Why our leaders were so contemptuous of Egypt's Mubarak when he was down. but are condescending towards Bassar al-Assad? A larger picture has to be explained. But murdering unarmed civilians it does not have to be. Syrian army is known to be savages, but are cowards when confronted by an armed enemy. Not even terrorists like Hizbullah in Lebanon or Hamas in Gaza go on a rampage murdering their unarmed civilians. Of course Saudi Arabia and the other oil rich Arab countries are upset because it is jeopardizing their ostentatious investments in super luxurious villas already built in Syria. Even Hizbullah and Hamas leaders are looking for better places to move other than Syria. Of course their concern is that Bassar al-Assad and his clan of Alewites will be kicked out. I repeat we should not allow this murdering of unarmed civilians. Barack Hussein Obama and his European allies have to stop it using drones to blast the Syrian cowardly army. It is a moral ethical obligation. Are you listening? Ha ha ha ha ... Martin Peretz is correct the American people ignore foreign policy. And the others have emphaty-lack syndrome. Guevalt guevalt guevalt.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 8, 2011 at 4:23pm
Where is dc spence the little worm with brainless senseless opinions? Ah he has his head buried in the sand. Is he an Iranian paid blogger? Send him to Syria.
- JAIMECHUCH
August 8, 2011 at 4:35pm
To | JAIMECHUCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBtrZE9ZBM
- noga1
August 8, 2011 at 4:41pm